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1 hour ago, mackavelli said:

I’ll be out there tomorrow. COTA is always a bit of a beating but I always love the experience once I get in and eventually home.

I heard water stations were scarce today. Packing extra frozen bottles.

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lines for the water tanks were very long today.  packed in 4 bottles for 2 of us today and going to pack in 6 or 8 tomorrow.  might spend most of the day in a beer tent. 

 

coming in got stuck waiting on the ramp from 183 to 71 for red bull's escorted convoy to pass by.  took the 71 toll lane but got held up by some dumbass who did not want to take the toll lane so got stuck waiting again for red bull's convoy which i was almost past.  cursed them and hoped for bad things.  max's lap getting deleted feels like a victory.

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I'm watching FP1 now to see all the stuff I missed sitting at T9 most of the day. Got damn, the bumps are worse than I even thought they'd be. The onboards are brutal. Ant just said the hottest/toughest race he ever drove was that 2014 WEC race at COTA. I was there, and yeah it was hot AF. He said it was hotter than today, but it wasn't by much. It was 100 during Q3.

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lines for the water tanks were very long today.  packed in 4 bottles for 2 of us today and going to pack in 6 or 8 tomorrow.  might spend most of the day in a beer tent. 

 

coming in got stuck waiting on the ramp from 183 to 71 for red bull's escorted convoy to pass by.  took the 71 toll lane but got held up by some dumbass who did not want to take the toll lane so got stuck waiting again for red bull's convoy which i was almost past.  cursed them and hoped for bad things.  max's lap getting deleted feels like a victory.

I took Mopac north to 290 east to 71 east, and when I got to Ben White, Abbott's fucking convoy got there just seconds before I did. Probably 20 LE cars of various types and agencies, couple suburbans, a large, very expensive RV, and a black Lambo SUV that I'm not sure was really with them, but he sure acted like he was. What a bunch of absolute morons. Couldn't get on the same page, taking up two or 3 lanes, blasting through, weaving, slowing down randomly, not able to figure out which lane to take when they got to the toll by ABIA, etc. They were causing near-misses all over the place. Hell, for all I know, they did cause some accidents. Complete and utter clown show.

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8 hours ago, wood said:

I'm watching FP1 now to see all the stuff I missed sitting at T9 most of the day. Got damn, the bumps are worse than I even thought they'd be. The onboards are brutal. Ant just said the hottest/toughest race he ever drove was that 2014 WEC race at COTA. I was there, and yeah it was hot AF. He said it was hotter than today, but it wasn't by much. It was 100 during Q3.

The track surface is, frankly, embarrassing.

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I'm watching FP1 now to see all the stuff I missed sitting at T9 most of the day. Got damn, the bumps are worse than I even thought they'd be. The onboards are brutal. Ant just said the hottest/toughest race he ever drove was that 2014 WEC race at COTA. I was there, and yeah it was hot AF. He said it was hotter than today, but it wasn't by much. It was 100 during Q3.

I took Mopac north to 290 east to 71 east, and when I got to Ben White, Abbott's fucking convoy got there just seconds before I did. Probably 20 LE cars of various types and agencies, couple suburbans, a large, very expensive RV, and a black Lambo SUV that I'm not sure was really with them, but he sure acted like he was. What a bunch of absolute morons. Couldn't get on the same page, taking up two or 3 lanes, blasting through, weaving, slowing down randomly, not able to figure out which lane to take when they got to the toll by ABIA, etc. They were causing near-misses all over the place. Hell, for all I know, they did cause some accidents. Complete and utter clown show.

That's just how he rolls.

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30 minutes ago, morehornsepower said:

The track surface is, frankly, embarrassing.

Yeah it really is, and Bobby spreads so much misinformation to idiot reporters who just print anything he tells them as gospel. Even The Athletic has a piece about COTA this morning. To her credit, the author talks a good bit about the bumps, but in there she says the track was "fully resurfaced" the winter of 2021-22. It's never been fully resurfaced. The most that's ever been done is 40% at a time, and a big chunk has never been done at all. It's a half-assed, low bid, patchwork mess.

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Haas hats were only $70, ha!

Yesterday was hot AF.  Hottest F1 day I can recall out here.  I do remember that 2014 WEC (?) race and it was hotter but not by much.  As has been mentioned, unbelievably long lines at the water stations.  There have been years when those went almost completely unused.  Anyway, whoever said it looked empty back upthread, nope.  Just as crowded on Friday afternoon as last year, which is WAY more crowded than Fridays were before the pandemic, excluding the first couple of years.

This morning is lovely of course, and temps should  be cooler with more clouds today.  91 and cloudy will feel awesome compared to yesterday.

Anyway, qualy was fun, Go Ferrari, everyone around me cheered loudly when Max's lap time got deleted.  Good times.

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17 minutes ago, utee94 said:

For anyone living in Austin, the Puma outlet store in Round Rock always has a lot of Ferrari and Merc gear, for even less than you find online.

 

Oh yeah, someone told me yesterday that Dick's has a bunch too. Probably on sale soon.

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Gasly’s wearing a tribute helmet to François Cevert this weekend. I didn’t know his story till I watched the 30 for 30 on Sir Jackie. Damn if it didn’t get a bit dusty listening to him describe it. 

To drive an F1 car in those days, those guys had to have balls of solid titanium.

 

 

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Gasly’s wearing a tribute helmet to François Cevert this weekend. I didn’t know his story till I watched the 30 for 30 on Sir Jackie. Damn if it didn’t get a bit dusty listening to him describe it. 

To drive an F1 car in those days, those guys had to have balls of solid titanium.

 

 

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Pretty nice day. Not too hot and I went and bought a backpack cooler this morning and it was great drinking 25 cent bottles of water instead of $9 ones. 

what a boring race, what 2 passes in the top 10?

sitting here waiting for queen and it’s about perfect temperature 

 

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Are there concerts after the race?

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I know that for logistics purposes, the race and home games almost never coincide (I think I can only recall 1 occasion).  But it's good to see UT finally figuring out a way to capitalize on all the money and promo and activation going on this week in Austin.  I saw del Conte with the ESPN Chair (in town for F1 obviously as the Mouse takes over broadcasting from NBC) and the SEC Commissioner heading off to make trouble yesterday.  They spoke at McCombs but then were getting down to talking Formula 1/NIL/brass tacks (given that there's another race now in SEC country-Miami).  Kinda cool to see.  So much crossover potential, plus hey-SCHWAG!

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7 hours ago, blacklab said:

What a Fucking shit show this place is

Let's just say communication has never been their forte, but then, I'm not exactly sure what is their forte.

How was the exit trip tonight? The founder told me today that it took him 2 hours to get home from Lot A of all places, leaving at 6:30 yesterday.

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Another off-track pass for Lewis today with no investigation iirc.  I just don't understand why they continue to let it go. And George does it and the 5s penalty he gets doesn't even matter. As others have pointed out, it seems the Merc drivers and others have just decided to risk the penalty, because it likely won;t matter to them anyway, and gaining the position is much more important to their overall race. Toto basically admitted it afterward. It's like I said a while back, the drivers and teams aren't racing for time. They're racing for positions. Penalize positions and they'll change their behavior.

And wtf is up with just widening the exit of 19 because some of the 'best drivers in the world' can't negotiate it on track? Tripled the width of the white line. Wow. So what happens when they continue to go wide? Widen it some more? So Max loses pole for just missing yesterday, but George goes through today on what would have easily been deleted yesterday. Fucking stupid bullshit. Imagine just moving the foul line in baseball or the sideline in football, etc. Just keep dumbing the sport down til there's nothing left of it. FML.  /rant

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5 hours ago, wood said:

Oh, and wow that sprint was bad. Damn.

 

1 hour ago, G650 said:

I'm not 100% sure why I watched all that

Busy day yesterday, so I put the replay on while I was eating dinner and kinda fast forwarded toward the end. What was the issue with the sprint? Just that nothing happened in the second half?

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Lando nails it here ...

Norris calls for harsher F1 penalties amid suspicions of deliberate rule breaches https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/norris-calls-for-harsher-f1-penalties-amid-suspicions-of-deliberate-rule-breaches/10536207/

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Norris’s comments come in the wake of his team-mate Oscar Piastri losing a position to George Russell in the Austin sprint race after what the Australian felt was a “blatant” move by his Mercedes rival to pass him off track and take a penalty hit.

Speaking at the Circuit of the Americas, Norris said that drivers had tried to hammer home to the FIA about the time punishment of gaining positions off track not being enough of a discouragement, but the message had not appeared to have got through.

“The thing I find a bit silly about it, is that these things have been brought up so many times in the drivers' briefings,” said Norris.

“It is a point we bring up every time and it's a point that George brought up himself in Barcelona, where, with the fact that you can commit to the outside line in Turn 1, and just kind of overdoing it, you can get past two cars and commit to just going off, like we saw people do in Russia, as well in T1 and T2.

“It's something you can easily prepare yourself for. And I'm pretty sure we came up with a conclusion that people are going to do it on purpose.

“We discussed this exact thing. And we discussed that you can easily do it. If you're quicker you could get past someone, and you're easily going to pull away five seconds. Like in Monaco, for example, if you cut the chicane.

“They [the FIA] came and said, ‘okay, we'll do it, so you have to give the position back’, but now they've set the precedent of not even having to do that.”

He added: “So I think there's a bit of lack of consistency once again, which I am a bit surprised by. There was quite a clear guideline of what they were going to do when such a thing happened. But clearly not....”

“If it's your fault, give it back,” said Norris. “You took the risk of doing it, you've committed to doing it, you give it back yourself straightaway.

“Penalties just need to be more harsh in general. People are getting away with too many things.

 

 

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Simple solution. 
 

Give the spot back in less than one lap or a 10 second penalty. 
 

That should give it teeth, and make teams internally gamble the 10 seconds if they wish to protest.

I agree with Lando they do need to be consistent, but they have been consistently blind on the first lap all season. 

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Simple solution. 
 

Give the spot back in less than one lap or a 10 second penalty. 
 

That should give it teeth, and make teams internally gamble the 10 seconds if they wish to protest.

I agree with Lando they do need to be consistent, but they have been consistently blind on the first lap all season. 

 

22 minutes ago, ConferenceRoom said:

Yeah, it needs to be a penalty that has to be come in and served within three laps. The five second penalty has such a narrow window of usefulness. 

Yeah a lot of people are saying give it back immediately, without being told. If you don't give it back by x time/distance ... drivethrough. I have zero problem with that, and it seems like that's what we used to see, but I've slept since then. That shit has teeth, as the penalties should have. The penalty should stroing enough to make the drivers avoid the behavior. If it isn't, it's useless.

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Another off-track pass for Lewis today with no investigation iirc.  I just don't understand why they continue to let it go. And George does it and the 5s penalty he gets doesn't even matter. As others have pointed out, it seems the Merc drivers and others have just decided to risk the penalty, because it likely won;t matter to them anyway, and gaining the position is much more important to their overall race. Toto basically admitted it afterward. It's like I said a while back, the drivers and teams aren't racing for time. They're racing for positions. Penalize positions and they'll change their behavior.
And wtf is up with just widening the exit of 19 because some of the 'best drivers in the world' can't negotiate it on track? Tripled the width of the white line. Wow. So what happens when they continue to go wide? Widen it some more? So Max loses pole for just missing yesterday, but George goes through today on what would have easily been deleted yesterday. Fucking stupid bullshit. Imagine just moving the foul line in baseball or the sideline in football, etc. Just keep dumbing the sport down til there's nothing left of it. FML.  /rant

Lap 1, corner 1 and he was pushed wide by the Ferrari. He was ahead of the Ferrari into the corner and had to avoid them braking later - otherwise Lewis ends up like Sainz and Charles gets 5 seconds.

The stewards have come out and said they enforce more after lap 1. Obviously if it’s egregious (driving straight across the esses for example), different story.
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Lap 1, corner 1 and he was pushed wide by the Ferrari. He was ahead of the Ferrari into the corner and had to avoid them braking later - otherwise Lewis ends up like Sainz and Charles gets 5 seconds.

The stewards have come out and said they enforce more after lap 1. Obviously if it’s egregious (driving straight across the esses for example), different story.

He had room to keep wheels on track. and you can see him later in that sequence a meter or so wide even though there's room between the Ferrari and the line. He's not ahead there. He's actually behind, but he emerges ahead. That's using the runoff to make the pass. Lap 1 turn 1 doesn't excuse everything these drivers will try, and we're seeing it more and more, where they just try an overly optimistic move around the outside on L1T1, braking later than they would had they committed to staying on the track, which is the only reason they can even get close. Then they just take to the runoff and say they were forced off, when they never would have even been in that spot had they not been able to carry more speed by braking too late.  They go ahead and risk it, knowing they'll get off with the L1T1 defense or even if they get 5s it's no big deal. It's gaming a weak penalty system.  It's no coincidence that we keep seeing it more and more lately. They're going into the corner with this in mind. Even after L1T1, they still cry "pushed me off" a la George, and risk a 5s penalty because they know they're better off anyway even with the penalty. George claiming he was 'pushed off' there was pathetic.

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Bottas gets it. The track needs to automatically enforce track limits by design.

F1 drivers call for permanent track limits fix https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-drivers-call-for-permanent-track-limits-fix/10536184/

They need to go back to grass and gravel, or start getting tough and consistent with the penalties. If they don't do one or the other, it's just a free-for-all. Right now, they're just slapping people on the wrist. That's not gonna get the desired result.

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Who wants to start a special events firm and actually make things work at COTA?

Went back in 2015 and 2018. Everything I read every year since is embarrassing in terms of basic event logistics. lol.

I'd be in 100%, but the most useful thing I've learned in all of this is to never, ever, under any circumstances do business with Bobby Epstein. You'll get fucked every time.

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Both AMs and both Haas's starting from the pit lane. Fernando will run previous floor setup. Stroll will run new one optimized for COTA so they can get an apples to apples comparison.

And that Danny Ric tiktok really is funny.

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Aight. Headed to Houston for the Astros game. Catch y'all later. Enjoy the race! Hopefully it won;t suck. 

OBTW, my kid is out there because he's driving for someone y'all know today. He parked the car in Lot A and just walked right past the gate and into the tunnel. Nobody even batted an eye.  Gonna watch the race for free while making several hundred bucks. Good work if you can get it. 

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Aight. Headed to Houston for the Astros game. Catch y'all later. Enjoy the race! Hopefully it won;t suck. 

OBTW, my kid is out there because he's driving for someone y'all know today. He parked the car in Lot A and just walked right past the gate and into the tunnel. Gonna watch the race for free while making several hundred bucks. Good work if you can get it. 

Last year (I think?) we saw the line for admission at the gate at T1 and walked down to see if there was a shorter line somewhere else. Ended up by the tunnel at the start/finish and the way the fences were lined up, it just kind of forced us inside the fence line as we crossed. Had tickets, never had to show them.

And then I went to kart during some other race series. Just showed my karting reservation and they waved me in while they were checking everyone else's tickets. Took advantage to just go sit on the main straight for a bit.

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