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4 minutes ago, Derka said:

broadcast just said that beard’s ole miss team is the first d-1 team since 2019 to have six players averaging double digits. rebels currently up 76-51 with 5:58 left in the game.

anybody still confused as to why people call him elite? 

Nope.

Is anybody still confused as to why he's no longer at the University of Texas?

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you know a lot of people ask me, “derka, don’t you ever get tired of being right about everything all of the time?” and i say, “no. i love it. my life is amazing. i can’t even imagine not always being right about everything i ever say or predict. it’s goddamn amazing. i love it.”

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18 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

If you're so right all the time, why aren't you retired after making huge bank in Vegas instead of bumbling around in central Texas?

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way to suck the fun out of the room. 

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59 minutes ago, Derka said:

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you know a lot of people ask me, “derka, don’t you ever get tired of being right about everything all of the time?” and i say, “no. i love it. my life is amazing. i can’t even imagine not always being right about everything i ever say or predict. it’s goddamn amazing. i love it.”

3 team parlay on that would have netted you a few thousand for a $200 bet.

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1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

If you're so right all the time, why aren't you retired after making huge bank in Vegas instead of bumbling around in central Texas?

Vegas cut him off from the buffets.

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2 hours ago, David Dennison said:

Nope.

Is anybody still confused as to why he's no longer at the University of Texas?

I think the better statement might be no matter if anybody didn't agree with him being fired, it was still going to happen.

That anybody that knows about the University of Texas should understand that.

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8 hours ago, NBHorn7 said:

 

I think the better statement might be no matter if anybody didn't agree with him being fired, it was still going to happen.

That anybody that knows about the University of Texas should understand that.

10 hours ago, Derka said:

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you know a lot of people ask me, “derka, don’t you ever get tired of being right about everything all of the time?” and i say, “no. i love it. my life is amazing. i can’t even imagine not always being right about everything i ever say or predict. it’s goddamn amazing. i love it.”

People still thinking his results on-the-court somehow justify his actions off-the-court says more about their lives than about his. 

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4 minutes ago, TreatyOak said:

Reminder that he was purportedly trying to pick up students on 6th Street before he moved his wonderful bestie girlfriend to Austin. 

There are much worse rumors from Lubbock but nothing confirmed. Obviously, considering what he did for our basketball program, it sucked as a fan to see him go, but I also heard from multiple people that I trust that work for Tech in some capacity or another that the administration was relieved to see him go for myriad reasons.

I hope getting fired from his dream job was a wake up call and he has cleaned up his life. Hiring Mark Adams doesn't give me much hope for that though.

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Posted (edited)
26 minutes ago, immamac said:

Had this convo with a friend yesterday morning. 

Chris Beard would almost undoubtedly still be coaching here had he shut the fuck up, complied with the University requests for investigation and took remedial steps that they suggested in official or advisory capacities through mouthpieces (aka stop bringing her around and/or get it handled)

Instead he acted like a drunk moron full of hubris and stuck by his batshit lady who cost him his entire dream scenario in life. Hope it was worth it for the punches in your tough shit card. 

No matter how much success he has at ole miss, or how much he makes he will die knowing it was only a fraction of what he would have had or accomplished had he not fucked up the opportunity at Texas. Could have been a legend, now will just be a forever example of a good coach and shitty person. 

The petty sports fan in me hopes that's the case. My worst case scenario - and I think it's an entirely possible one - is that he overachieves at Ole Miss, gets a job at a blueblood school like Kentucky, goes on to win multiple national championships, and what happened at Texas ends up being part of a redemptive story, much like being fired for being drunk at football practice as the head coach, caused Sarkisian to get fired from his dream job. 

The best side of me hopes for redemptive arcs for all of us. But the redemptive side of me is not posting on the Texas basketball message boards. 

I think it's easy to back seat drive. I'm quite adept at it. A big part of the issue is that she acted ridiculous on the trip to Madison Square Garden to the point plenty of people took Beard aside to tell him her behavior was unacceptable and he'd have to do something about it. That's why he was living/sleeping in the guest bedroom. She knew how to press his buttons. She got him worked up. He knew what she was doing so he recorded the conversation. She escalated and called the police. He had no concerns about it and felt like he'd be able to talk to them about the situation to deescalate. She told the police he grabbed her around the throat which was an immediate trip to the local jail. Whether that actually occurred or whether that was partially engineered by the police I don't think it's clear, but when someone in an organization has a tool that they think can help solve situations they're going to use it, even if at times it ends up being an abuse of it. That's not unique to law enforcement. 

Once he was arrested the priority became not having it go to trial, NOT appeasing UT about keeping his job. He probably thought he could do both. But wherever there was a conflict between the two he chose the advice of his lawyer over requests from Texas. 

In the end, it doesn't matter. He was arrested for choking his girlfriend, whether it happened or not. How many other head basketball coaches are getting arrested for choking their girlfriends every year? You simply can't have that happen to you at UT. You just can't. You can be an assistant. You can be a player. But you can't be the head coach of one of the major revenue sports and expect to keep your job in that situation. The optics aren't going to allow for it. There were a million and one decisions that led to the police appearing at his door to follow up on his girlfriend's phone call. A different decision anywhere along the line that didn't create the situation where he was answering the door trying to explain the circumstances that led to the phone call would have kept him in his job. But that's not where we are and that's just how it is. 

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Posted
6 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

There are much worse rumors from Lubbock but nothing confirmed. Obviously, considering what he did for our basketball program, it sucked as a fan to see him go, but I also heard from multiple people that I trust that work for Tech in some capacity or another that the administration was relieved to see him go for myriad reasons.

I hope getting fired from his dream job was a wake up call and he has cleaned up his life. Hiring Mark Adams doesn't give me much hope for that though.

Thanks. Can you elaborate on the Tech rumors? I have never heard them. 

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7 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

There are much worse rumors from Lubbock but nothing confirmed. Obviously, considering what he did for our basketball program, it sucked as a fan to see him go, but I also heard from multiple people that I trust that work for Tech in some capacity or another that the administration was relieved to see him go for myriad reasons.

I hope getting fired from his dream job was a wake up call and he has cleaned up his life. Hiring Mark Adams doesn't give me much hope for that though.

I hope he goes through a Billie Gillispie style meltdown. But that's not a side of me I'm particularly proud of. Still there, though. 

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1 minute ago, TreatyOak said:

Thanks. Can you elaborate on the Tech rumors? I have never heard them. 

I don't remember it all off the top of my head, I'd have to go digging through a thread on the Tech Rivals board that I am no longer a paying member of, but mostly they centered around drug/alcohol abuse. There were multiple rumors of him doing cocaine/being coked up in the office long before there was even a whisper of him leaving Tech, many offhand rumors/stories of random binges he would go on, womanizing, public (and private) arguments/fights with Randi etc etc. Your usual vices for a dude with few inhibitions to begin with that's just stumbled onto a pile of money.

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1 minute ago, SL Xpress said:

The petty sports fan in me hopes that's the case. My worst case scenario - and I think it's an entirely possible one - is that he overachieves at Ole Miss, gets a job at a blueblood school like Kentucky, goes on to win multiple national championships, and what happened at Texas ends up being part of a redemptive story, much like being fired for being drunk at football practice as the head coach, caused Sarkisian to get fired from his dream job. 

The best side of me hopes for redemptive arcs for all of us. But the redemptive side of me is not posting on the Texas basketball message boards. 

I think it's easy to back seat drive. I'm quite adept at it. A big part of the issue is that she acted ridiculous on the trip to Madison Square Garden to the point plenty of people took Beard aside to tell him her behavior was unacceptable and he'd have to do something about it. That's why he was living/sleeping in the guest bedroom. She knew how to press his buttons. She got him worked up. He knew what she was doing so he recorded the conversation. She escalated and called the police. He had no concerns about it and felt like he'd be able to talk to them about the situation to deescalate. She told the police he grabbed her around the throat which was an immediate trip to the local jail. Whether that actually occurred or whether that was partially engineered by the police I don't think it's clear, but when someone in an organization has a tool that they think can help solve situations they're going to use it, even if at times it ends up being an abuse of it. That's not unique to law enforcement. 

Once he was arrested the priority became not having it go to trial, NOT appeasing UT about keeping his job. He probably thought he could do both. But wherever there was a conflict between the two he chose the advice of his lawyer over requests from Texas. 

In the end, it doesn't matter. He was arrested for choking his girlfriend, whether it happened or not. How many other head basketball coaches are getting arrested for choking their girlfriends every year? You simply can't have that happen to you at UT. You just can't. You can be an assistant. You can be a player. But you can't be the head coach of one of the major revenue sports and expect to keep your job in that situation. The optics aren't going to allow for it. There were a million and one decisions that lead to the police appearing at his door to follow up on his girlfriend's phone call. A different decision anywhere along the line that didn't create the situation where he was answering the door trying to explain the circumstances that led to the phone call would have kept him in his job. But that's not where we are and that's just how it is. 

There's no shot at the redemption arc IMHO. I don't see the incidents as similar - sark got fired for being drunk AT WORK on the sidelines etc. Also substance abuse recovery and changing your entire personality even when you are sober are two different things. 

Beard is generally speaking a pretty spicy dude. It's part of what makes him a great coach, he also very clearly has long running away from his job personal issues that just don't really fly because of his spiciness in his personal life. 

Choking allegations and the mugshot will never go away, maybe if Kentucky is a dumpster fire they take him, but let's be honest Kentucky and ole miss are about to be the same in the NIL era. No top tier, big city, huge corporate draw school will ever take a bet on him. I would say in the pre-NIL world you are absolutely right, someone would take the chance. 

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1 minute ago, immamac said:

There's no shot at the redemption arc IMHO. I don't see the incidents as similar - sark got fired for being drunk AT WORK on the sidelines etc. Also substance abuse recovery and changing your entire personality even when you are sober are two different things. 

Beard is generally speaking a pretty spicy dude. It's part of what makes him a great coach, he also very clearly has long running away from his job personal issues that just don't really fly because of his spiciness in his personal life. 

Choking allegations and the mugshot will never go away, maybe if Kentucky is a dumpster fire they take him, but let's be honest Kentucky and ole miss are about to be the same in the NIL era. No top tier, big city, huge corporate draw school will ever take a bet on him. I would say in the pre-NIL world you are absolutely right, someone would take the chance. 

Kentucky has their guy

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1 minute ago, immamac said:

There's no shot at the redemption arc IMHO. I don't see the incidents as similar - sark got fired for being drunk AT WORK on the sidelines etc. Also substance abuse recovery and changing your entire personality even when you are sober are two different things. 

Beard is generally speaking a pretty spicy dude. It's part of what makes him a great coach, he also very clearly has long running away from his job personal issues that just don't really fly because of his spiciness in his personal life. 

Choking allegations and the mugshot will never go away, maybe if Kentucky is a dumpster fire they take him, but let's be honest Kentucky and ole miss are about to be the same in the NIL era. No top tier, big city, huge corporate draw school will ever take a bet on him. I would say in the pre-NIL world you are absolutely right, someone would take the chance. 

We'll see what happens. Those are a lot of declaratives for a future I find more uncertain than you. I hope you're right, but the future has yet to be written. Winning sure makes people overlook a lot of things. Hasn't worked for Art Briles, and Bobby Petrino is still trying to get back to a top job, but Beard already has Ole Miss doing things they've never done before. He has the whole Rebel fan base galvanized around basketball in a way they never have been before. Because that's what he does.

And basketball is different than football, with different dynamics. It's more transactional than it ever has been, but it's always been transactional in a way that football wasn't. You're also not looking at a massive 100 person roster, so while the individual players can make more, the overall payroll simply isn't the same. It's my opinion Kentucky is going to be able to compete in basketball in ways they're never going to be able to in football. More NIL dollars helps, but you don't have to be Oregon/Ohio State/Texas to fill your roster with top athletes the way you do in football. 

I'll also say that it's even more important to be skilled in roster construction in basketball than in football, just because of the amount of players involved (it's also important in football, though). Knowing who can be the right kind of role player on a 7 or 8 man rotation is way more important than in football. Having a vision for what kind of team you're going to build, and then finding the right pieces for that vision, is more important in many cases than being able to field the very best talent. Especially when the best talent leaves after a year. The 3 pointer is also an equalizer in basketball that doesn't have an equivalent in other sports. 

The bottom line is I hope Beard implodes and his career plummets like a meteor. But I'm not as convinced that's his future as much as you are. We'll see. 

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16 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Kentucky has their guy

It's an example. They have their guy until he's not any more. Calipari was their guy until he wasn't. It doesn't have to be Kentucky. Just somewhere a little more high profile than Oxford. But Kentucky chases off coaches who win national championships, so nothing you say will make me believe Mark Pope is guaranteed to retire there. 

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9 minutes ago, SL Xpress said:

It's an example. They have their guy until he's not any more. Calipari was their guy until he wasn't. It doesn't have to be Kentucky. Just somewhere a little more high profile than Oxford. But Kentucky chases off coaches who win national championships, so nothing you say will make me believe Mark Pope is guaranteed to retire there. 

If not UK - 

Kansas will likely be open in the next few years, UNC probably sooner than that, Izzo can't coach forever at MSU

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1 minute ago, Underdog said:

UK is never getting another Rupp type tenure from a coach, surprised Cal lasted as long as he did and from the sounds of it he had been looking a few seasons. 

Calipari was underperforming at Kentucky. I thoroughly enjoyed every minute of it. I would have been extremely upset as a Kentucky fan at what the team had been doing under him over the last few years.

I think it's fair to say it will be an extreme challenge to have a long career as the men's basketball coach at Kentucky. Ask David Pierce about the standards of being the head coach for UT baseball, and I was all in favor of him being replaced. You have to win at the highest levels at Kentucky, and then do it again year after year. But if you make the Sweet 16 they're not going to fire you, even at Kentucky. Calipari's early exits made him want to get out of there. I hope he falls on his face at Arkansas, too. This year's run is creating severe issues for me. It's Calipari, AND it's Arkansas. Having them in the Sweet 16 completely sucks. 

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3 minutes ago, Js1 said:

If not UK - 

Kansas will likely be open in the next few years, UNC probably sooner than that, Izzo can't coach forever at MSU

I don't see UNC being an option. They can't seem to get over having a UNC tie in. And they're just as snooty as Texas is about certain optics.

But if he wins at Ole Miss the way he's capable of, someone is going to come calling. I hope it all goes south, either at Ole Miss or his next destination, but that doesn't mean it's going to happen. My preference is that he takes Gillispie's job at Tarleton State. 

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1 minute ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

I think @closetojumping had a great analogy during the football coaching search.  What’s the biggest pos you would accept as a hc?  For football, Art Briles is a no.  Urban was a yes.  
for me, domestic abuser is a no. Former alcoholic?  Yes

Well, it's an alleged domestic abuser whose victim dropped the charges and later got back together with him (which is such a horrible miscalculation of judgement on all sides). No one questions what happened at Baylor. There are questions over how directly involved Art Briles was, but as the head coach, few people are questioning his responsibility regardless (personally, I believe he was balls deep in the cover ups and creation of the overall culture in order to win).

I've found my piece of shit metric has lowered over the years. I was all in on Saban being Mack Brown's replacement even though I knew Saban was a cheating son of a bitch who was IMO morally reprehensible in terms of how he approached recruiting. I still find non committable offers to be something of an abortion. But I really really wanted to win and he was the surest thing ever. But I had HUGE problems when Tom Herman even brought in someone from Briles's staff to be a behind the scenes support person. The situation at Baylor was beyond the pale. 

I'm glad Beard was fired. I feel betrayed as a fan by his personal decision making that led to him being arrested in the first place. I want to also point out that if anyone judged my personal decision making the way I'm judging Beard I would fall far short of any kind of ideal as well.

I don't think it's going to be the albatross around his neck for the rest of his career some of the rest of you seem to, IF he wins at the level he's capable of. 

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5 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said:

He’s already going to be at the top of somebody’s list.  This is Ole Miss’s 2nd Sweet 16 ever.  Anything past that and he’s their greatest coach ever.

And it's not just their success on the court. He's doing to their fan base exactly what he did at Tech and Texas. It's what he does. That's going to be extremely appealing at all kinds of places.

This idea he's going to be untouchable because of dropped domestic abuse charges from years ago is extremely myopic, IMO. 

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2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Beard did everything he could to get the Indiana job, Indiana did not want a woman abuser.

Plenty of other job opportunities other than Indiana. I don't think UNC or Duke are ever going to be options either, even if an opening comes up. 

Heck, who knows? With Indiana's track record, that job is going to be available a few more times before Beard retires. 

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Just now, SL Xpress said:

And it's not just their success on the court. He's doing to their fan base exactly what he did at Tech and Texas. It's what he does. That's going to be extremely appealing at all kinds of places.

This idea he's going to be untouchable because of dropped domestic abuse charges from years ago is extremely myopic, IMO. 

I think it's a lot bigger of a deal than you are making it. 

Being a drunk isn't that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things, it's unfortunate and not tolerable, but it's not morally abhorrent and mainly just sad for the drunk.

Being a physically abusive and verbally abusive meatheadd is morally abhorrent and incongruent with virtually any and all positions of leadership, especially of young men. 

No one thinks ole miss did anything but sell their soul with the beard hire. He isn't making his stock go up. 

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4 minutes ago, SL Xpress said:

Plenty of other job opportunities other than Indiana. I don't think UNC or Duke are ever going to be options either, even if an opening comes up. 

Heck, who knows? With Indiana's track record, that job is going to be available a few more times before Beard retires. 

He's damage goods to a Indiana, Duke, UNC, Kentucky, Kansas, and etc types. His type of job will be Ole Miss types, Auburn types(because they'll hire anyone regardless). 

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1 minute ago, immamac said:

I think it's a lot bigger of a deal than you are making it. 

Being a drunk isn't that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things, it's unfortunate and not tolerable, but it's not morally abhorrent and mainly just sad for the drunk.

Being a physically abusive and verbally abusive meatheadd is morally abhorrent and incongruent with virtually any and all positions of leadership, especially of young men. 

No one thinks ole miss did anything but sell their soul with the beard hire. He isn't making his stock go up. 

I couldn't disagree more.

Being a drunk at work around young people doesn't get the same kind of exoneration you're implying. Someone who is a functional alcoholic but keeps their shit together on the job gets a lot of forgiveness. Sarkisian isn't back at a head job just because he won at a high level. Sarkisian is back at a head job because he transformed who he is in terms of how he deals with his addiction to alcohol. If tomorrow he showed up drunk at a practice it's my opinion he'd be fired for cause shortly thereafter. Maybe not. He'd probably need to show a pattern of behavior, rather than just a one time thing. But maybe.

It is morally abhorrent to come to work supervising 18 to 22 year olds completely drunk, especially when no one is really all that surprised about it. It's simply crossing another line in already exhibited behavior.

You are extremely naive IMO about how much being abusive to the people around us is rewarded in our society. You saying it's incongruent with virtually any and all positions of leadership is almost unfathomably laughable. I'm not even sure what planet you live on. Did you play on any championship level sports teams? At any level? Do you have any idea how many of them are led by abusive people? How many ultra successful organizations are led by abusive people? It's a ton. 

I'm not saying it's what we should aspire to as a species, but it's reality. The reason why it's rewarded is because it works. People who are abusive often compel a higher level of productivity versus people who aren't. And at the end of the day winning - in whatever form that takes - is a fundamental aspect of our survival in all sorts of ways. I'm going to try to avoid going cloak room here, but I'll imply that you can look at the leadership at all levels of our society and see how much being abusive is rewarded. 

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11 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

He's damage goods to a Indiana, Duke, UNC, Kentucky, Kansas, and etc types. His type of job will be Ole Miss types, Auburn types(because they'll hire anyone regardless). 

Maybe so. We'll see.

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1 minute ago, SL Xpress said:

I couldn't disagree more.

Being a drunk at work around young people doesn't get the same kind of exoneration you're implying. Someone who is a functional alcoholic but keeps their shit together on the job gets a lot of forgiveness. Sarkisian isn't back at a head job just because he won at a high level. Sarkisian is back at a head job because he transformed who he is in terms of how he deals with his addiction to alcohol. If tomorrow he showed up drunk at a practice it's my opinion he'd be fired for cause shortly thereafter. Maybe not. He'd probably need to show a pattern of behavior, rather than just a one time thing. But maybe.

It is morally abhorrent to come to work supervising 18 to 22 year olds completely drunk, especially when no one is really all that surprised about it. It's simply crossing another line in already exhibited behavior.

You are extremely naive IMO about how much being abusive to the people around us is rewarded in our society. You saying it's incongruent with virtually any and all positions of leadership is almost unfathomably laughable. I'm not even sure what planet you live on. Did you play on any championship level sports teams? At any level? Do you have any idea how many of them are led by abusive people? How many ultra successful organizations are led by abusive people? It's a ton. 

I'm not saying it's what we should aspire to as a species, but it's reality. The reason why it's rewarded is because it works. People who are abusive often compel a higher level of productivity versus people who aren't. And at the end of the day winning - in whatever form that takes - is a fundamental aspect of our survival in all sorts of ways. I'm going to try to avoid going cloak room here, but I'll imply that you can look at the leadership at all levels of our society and see how much being abusive is rewarded. 

You are way off base, but whatever. Enjoy living in a world where you think Chris Beard climbs his way back to the top after choking a woman. Lol

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Just now, immamac said:

You are way off base, but whatever. Enjoy living in a world where you think Chris Beard climbs his way back to the top after choking a woman. Lol

Is that what I'm doing? Enjoying living in that world?

I'm saying it's a possibility in ways that you're dismissing. I'm hoping he falls on his face, and I do believe that's a possibility, too. But he's a very good basketball coach with a compelling personality who has shown an ability to galvanize fan bases. 

What does it win me if I'm right? If there's anything I've learned, is that being right better be its own reward, because it certainly has very little outside of that. 

Beyond that, though, you are way off base in how you view abusive people and how they're rewarded in our society. 

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7 minutes ago, SL Xpress said:

Is that what I'm doing? Enjoying living in that world?

I'm saying it's a possibility in ways that you're dismissing. I'm hoping he falls on his face, and I do believe that's a possibility, too. But he's a very good basketball coach with a compelling personality who has shown an ability to galvanize fan bases. 

What does it win me if I'm right? If there's anything I've learned, is that being right better be its own reward, because it certainly has very little outside of that. 

Beyond that, though, you are way off base in how you view abusive people and how they're rewarded in our society. 

I think you're missing his larger point. Beard could climb his way back up to winning it all / being rewarded with money but he'd still be a meathead. Sark learned something, embraced the idea of not being a meathead / being vulnerable, and became a true leader of young men, which is our standard.

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Just now, SL Xpress said:

Is that what I'm doing? Enjoying living in that world?

I'm saying it's a possibility in ways that you're dismissing. I'm hoping he falls on his face, and I do believe that's a possibility, too. But he's a very good basketball coach with a compelling personality who has shown an ability to galvanize fan bases. 

What does it win me if I'm right? If there's anything I've learned, is that being right better be its own reward, because it certainly has very little outside of that. 

Beyond that, though, you are way off base in how you view abusive people and how they're rewarded in our society. 

If you were right, Beard would already be back at a "top" job. He will literally never get hired by any basketball blue blood or any otherwise respectable institution. On top of his personal failings, he's also hauling around a guy who A) was fired from Tech for making racist comments to a player and B) publicly dragged for cheating on his wife with his dead twin brother's widow. That kind of stink only flies at the kind of institutions with no moral standards whatsoever and it's not going away any time soon.

That's not to say he can't have a successful career, he likely will, but he will never have another job like he had at Texas or any of the blue blood positions he clearly covets.

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39 minutes ago, SL Xpress said:

Well, it's an alleged domestic abuser whose victim dropped the charges and later got back together with him (which is such a horrible miscalculation of judgement on all sides). No one questions what happened at Baylor. There are questions over how directly involved Art Briles was, but as the head coach, few people are questioning his responsibility regardless (personally, I believe he was balls deep in the cover ups and creation of the overall culture in order to win).

I've found my piece of shit metric has lowered over the years. I was all in on Saban being Mack Brown's replacement even though I knew Saban was a cheating son of a bitch who was IMO morally reprehensible in terms of how he approached recruiting. I still find non committable offers to be something of an abortion. But I really really wanted to win and he was the surest thing ever. But I had HUGE problems when Tom Herman even brought in someone from Briles's staff to be a behind the scenes support person. The situation at Baylor was beyond the pale. 

I'm glad Beard was fired. I feel betrayed as a fan by his personal decision making that led to him being arrested in the first place. I want to also point out that if anyone judged my personal decision making the way I'm judging Beard I would fall far short of any kind of ideal as well.

I don't think it's going to be the albatross around his neck for the rest of his career some of the rest of you seem to, IF he wins at the level he's capable of. 

Yea I mean Nick cheated but so did everyone else in the sec.  I don’t care that miller cheated as I think almost everyone in big time cbb did.   Including us. 

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Just now, mwaadeeb said:

I think you're missing his larger point. He could climb his way back up to winning it all / being rewarded with money but he'd still be a meathead. Sark learned something, embraced the idea of not being a meathead / being vulnerable, and became a true leader of young men, which is our standard.

You're right that I'm missing that point, because I feel like he specifically says Beard is never climbing back to those heights. And so are other people. And I'm disagreeing with that. 

The joy about being an abusive narcissist is that what happens is never your fault. Plenty of very successful people are and have been abusive. That's not anything new, by the way. I'm convinced it goes back to the dawn of our species. Certainly to when homo sapiens first successfully left Africa. It's hilarious to see the quality dismissed as if it's not constantly rewarded and a part of our fundamental make up as human beings. 

BTW, abusive narcissists can use vulnerability as a manipulative tool, so it's something they're often at least capable of in a convincing fashion, even if it's not real. 

Our standard is winning at an extremely high level. We don't actually know how the sausage gets made. And people who have their performance lifted to levels they'd never otherwise achieve because of abusive behavior can become grateful for it. It's all well and good to say at UT we're above all that, but it's not actually true. Beard would still be the head coach at UT - and I'd be glad for it - if he'd made very simple decisions that prevented him from getting arrested that night. And he'd still be abusive in all kinds of different ways. 

There's an attitude that our shit doesn't stink in your post that I fundamentally disagree with. Our shit still stinks. We have standards, and I'm grateful for it, but there's more latitude within those standards than I think you're giving. Those standards still matter to me. But I find your halo fitting really tight in ways that I don't feel UT athletics actually achieves in reality. 

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11 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

If you were right, Beard would already be back at a "top" job. He will literally never get hired by any basketball blue blood or any otherwise respectable institution. On top of his personal failings, he's also hauling around a guy who A) was fired from Tech for making racist comments to a player and B) publicly dragged for cheating on his wife with his dead twin brother's widow. That kind of stink only flies at the kind of institutions with no moral standards whatsoever and it's not going away any time soon.

That's not to say he can't have a successful career, he likely will, but he will never have another job like he had at Texas or any of the blue blood positions he clearly covets.

We'll see. He's been at Ole Miss for two years and they're already achieving at a historical level while selling out their arena at a school that's never shown any sort of passion for basketball before.

Again, I feel like you are joining others in being declarative about what the future will entail in ways that are not as obvious to me. 

But maybe you're right. I just find it too soon to say for sure, whereas you feel like the verdict is already out. 

Posted
13 minutes ago, Hitch said:

Of course he’s back in the sweet 16 and we’re starting over from scratch. Again. You can’t make this bullshit up. 

I'd rather be on the journey we're on than keep Beard as the head coach after getting arrested for choking his girlfriend. You can't make that bullshit up, either. 

I'm glad we kept Terry as the interim coach after making the Elite Eight, because I feel like it was the right thing to do. I was firmly convinced he'd fail, and he has, but it hasn't been the 6 years it took to get rid of Smart, and so I'm grateful for that.

I do not believe Sean Miller is as good of a basketball coach as Beard, but I think he's really good, and he has advantages as a coach (never mind the not choking his significant other, which also goes in the plus column) that Beard doesn't have, particularly on the offensive end and his history with international players. I believe we have a chance to win a national championship with him as our head coach. I certainly believe we can return to the Sweet 16 on a regular basis, and then we'll see what happens after that. 

Posted
8 minutes ago, SL Xpress said:

I'd rather be on the journey we're on than keep Beard as the head coach after getting arrested for choking his girlfriend. You can't make that bullshit up, either. 

I'm glad we kept Terry as the interim coach after making the Elite Eight, because I feel like it was the right thing to do. I was firmly convinced he'd fail, and he has, but it hasn't been the 6 years it took to get rid of Smart, and so I'm grateful for that.

I do not believe Sean Miller is as good of a basketball coach as Beard, but I think he's really good, and he has advantages as a coach (never mind the not choking his significant other, which also goes in the plus column) that Beard doesn't have, particularly on the offensive end and his history with international players. I believe we have a chance to win a national championship with him as our head coach. I certainly believe we can return to the Sweet 16 on a regular basis, and then we'll see what happens after that. 

Some days I’m with you. Today isn’t one of those days. 

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