We have a Dog Issue ("YES, we WILL talk about Bruno")

[ROFL BOX 6647]

As some of y'all may have seen elsewhere, Major (our Doberman of 8+ years) passed away around 1-1/2 months ago due to Cancer.  Gut wrenching, of course.  The 1st dog my kids ever had as "theirs" (my Mom had a German Shedder that was located @ her house; Otis passed on close to 6 years ago).

Anyway.

Yesterday, we got another Doberman.  Say "hi" to Bruno.  $ 300.00 got us the dog, a collar, + 1 "King Size" bag of Pedigree.  Mature size, juvenile in age (somewhere between 10 months & 1 year, I think).  This was my wife's idea & she was really missing Major, so that explains her emotional situation on going for another Dobie so soon.  This one isn't the "black & tan" variety, Bruno is the "Red & Rust" version.

We visited with Bruno @ his South Austin home last Sunday & after some apprehension on his part, he warmed up what seemed to be enough & he played with me, my teenaged kids, etc Monster is almost 16 & Roxette is closing in on 18).  All seemed to be OK.

Yesterday, we picked him up & brought Bruno out to Drip.  Hilarity did NOT ensue.  We have 3 Corgis; Tater Tot (Rascal) is the cutest evarrr fuzzball pup of around 2 months old, Rory is approx. 1 year & Scout is 2 years.

Both "adult" Corgis took an instant dislike & Bruno was violently aggressive towards Rascal (pup).

Bruno has apparently NOT been trained to not jump up / put his feet on you, etc. & 3x when someone had his back to him, he went near 45 deg. angle to the human & was either trying to assert dominance or going for the "play" posture (not either of these moves to a human in an overly aggressive way).

After Bruno was here around 1 hour, Roxette returned after having been to the high school to do maintenance for her sheep (4H type show sheep) & Bruno apparently smelled something of interest & was very VERY aggressive to her.

Everything was a mess... none of the canines settled down (other than Rascal... he's still oblivious @ that age) & we had to separate them overnight by a distance of around 6 feet from the living room to the kennel we have Bruno in.

This is not working out

We contacted the people in South Austin that we got him from & they are refusing to take him back.  Less than 18 hours after we brought him to Drip.

THEM:  We already spent the money & gave away all of his stuff that we still had.

US:  We can work on the $$ later - for now, you have to take him back.  We will even give you the bed & some rawhides we picked up @ PetCo.

THEM:  Nope, that's your issues.  Hard refuse.

US:  Let's be reasonable here - this isn't working out.  (re-describe issues that have come up)

THEM:  Nope.

 - - - - - - -

Discuss, Shag.

[ROFL BOX 6647]

Also, in the "he needs to learn" conversation, Bruno has zero manners in wanting to take stuff off the top of a table, counter, etc.  Constantly getting his nose on your TV tray, sniffing your drink, etc..

 

 

 

[CooterBrown 17949]

You already had a billion fucking dogs. You needed to nut up and tell your wife no fucking way.

Give him to a Doberman rescue.

[Celery Man 20911]

need to bring in antonio

[immamac 42722]

lolwut? You have had a dog for less than a day and you are concerned that it isn't house broken and trained to your liking? 

[ROFL BOX 6647]

Rascal

 

 

 

 

 

Rory

 

 

Scout

 

Scout & Rory

 

[ROFL BOX 6647]

11 minutes ago, CooterBrown said:

You already had a billion fucking dogs.

Currently with 3, potentially going to 4.  Hyperbole, much?

 

  

1 minute ago, immamac said:

lolwut? You have had a dog for less than a day and you are concerned that it isn't house broken and trained to your liking? 

If you had been witness to the aggression here, that would possibly change your opinion.

[ztejas 43382]

So you got a shittty dog that's a dangerous breed. 

Find a rescue/shelter to give him to. Not sure what the "discussion" is supposed to be. 

[royiv 9177]

Why was the original owner giving him away?

[ROFL BOX 6647]

Why was the original owner giving him away?

Got Bruno from wife's mom.
Currently in a 2 BR apartment.
Wife is pregnant with #2.

[ROFL BOX 6647]

So you got a shittty dog that's a dangerous breed. 
Find a rescue/shelter to give him to. Not sure what the "discussion" is supposed to be. 

"Dangerous breed"? Have you been around Dobermans much?
Our Major never met a person or other dog that he didn't like & Bruno was cool when we met him last Sunday.

[Patricio Swayze 17058]

Why did you assume that your dogs and the new dog would get along?

[ztejas 43382]

7 minutes ago, ROFL BOX said:

"Dangerous breed"? Have you been around Dobermans much?

I'm not taking about their temperament as a breed - I'm making the point that that's a dog that can fuck you up if it wants to. 

There are plenty of friendly pitbulls and boxers out there but I wouldn't want to fuck around with aggressive ones. 

[Guest]

I don't have dogs, but could you crate him and then let the others out so they can adjust a little bit to each other? That way no one can attack anyone?

[ROFL BOX 6647]

I'm not taking about their temperament as a breed - I'm making the point that that's a dog that can fuck you up if it wants to. 
There are plenty of friendly pitbulls and boxers out there but I wouldn't want to fuck around with aggressive ones. 

& Again, when we first met him on 11 Dec 22 all was OK.

It was his known home & apparently the husband was recognized by Bruno as the Alpha, so we were merely visitors is my guess.

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

That's rough, but it also sounds like Bruno may have been overstimulated/overwhelmed by all the new and the noise. Take a young child and drop them into a Chuck E. Cheese for the first time kind of bezerker new. Bruno has new humans, new furry siblings, and one of them is a mere babe/play toy size.

The crating idea sounds like a plan, maybe even place a blanket over the top to make it a little more of a hidey spot.

Take him out for a good long walk solo to see how he does one on one and tire him out then crate him and see if he can get adjusted that way perhaps? Seems like a lot for a younger age dog to take in and w/o much training.

Good luck.

[Baboontyme 2808]

27 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

That's rough, but it also sounds like Bruno may have been overstimulated/overwhelmed by all the new and the noise. Take a young child and drop them into a Chuck E. Cheese for the first time kind of bezerker new. Bruno has new humans, new furry siblings, and one of them is a mere babe/play toy size.

The crating idea sounds like a plan, maybe even place a blanket over the top to make it a little more of a hidey spot.

Take him out for a good long walk solo to see how he does one on one and tire him out then crate him and see if he can get adjusted that way perhaps? Seems like a lot for a younger age dog to take in and w/o much training.

Good luck.

Agree but I also have had experiences that have taught me that not all dogs will acclimate. At some point you have to stop trying before one of the other animals (or even humans) gets seriously injured. And also agree with others it was rather naive of you to assume that this dog would get along with your other dogs and be trained. The training is something you can work on. If it truly is NOT going to work because he is a danger to your other dogs a rescue is probably your best bet. 

[Brew 3049]

You’re introducing a near adult dog that is larger than the current occupants to a house with dogs in it. That’s going to require work and patience to get everyone acclimated adequately. There is no shortcut to that and you shouldn’t have taken on another older dog under the circumstances. Puppy would have been a much wiser move.

Hell, my 4 year old dog still doesn’t like the puppy we’ve had for 6 months now. Sometimes they just want to be assholes. 

[Pato del Muerto 52390]

My honest opinion is you aren’t being a responsible dog owner with Bruno. There are documented ways to introduce new dogs into a pack, and they involve keeping the new one separated for a while as they get used to each other. It’s a process. Jumping and taking things, he doesn’t know better. You need to teach him. Be the alpha. 

[Deej 76637]

I can lend you Blue to put his ass in his place. She hasn't met a dog whose ass she can't whip into submission in the blink of an eye. 

[Chewbacca 7730]

3 minutes ago, Deej said:

I can lend you Blue to put his ass in his place. She hasn't met a dog whose ass she can't whip into submission in the blink of an eye. 

Bruce would like a word.

[SimonBolivar 10949]

57 minutes ago, Deej said:

I can lend you Blue to put his ass in his place. She hasn't met a dog whose ass she can't whip into submission in the blink of an eye. 

I bet Fluffy could take her. He's 5lbs of pure muscle and hate

Edited December 20, 2022 by SimonBolivar

[Deej 76637]

Blue thinks most dogs under ten pounds are prey. That Husky prey drive is strong.

"That looks like a possum!"

 

[TexasHooch 5117]

What would you be saying to someone who started a post bitching about a roofer they hired without doing any due diligence?

Find a rescue.

 

 

[Sam Lin 3544]

^this

[WhatTheBuck 28729]

8 hours ago, ROFL BOX said:

 

Don’t let him do that. 

[ROFL BOX 6647]

4 hours ago, TexasHooch said:

...without doing any due diligence?

 

 

Spending over an hour with Bruno last week doesn't count?

[Sam Lin 3544]

For a new dog into a household with three other dogs? Fuck no!

[MonkeyDoughnut 10184]

If you can crate some, take on walks with different a different dog each time, let him acclimate. He's likely going to be fine in time but right now obviously doesn't feel comfortable. 

Walking is key as will give you more bonding time while wearing him out some. Right now he likely thinks this is temporary and he doesn't know his place but is used to being the sole alpha.

[baboso 6052]

7 hours ago, ROFL BOX said:

Spending over an hour with Bruno last week doesn't count?

Apparently not.  

[TexasHooch 5117]

6 hours ago, ROFL BOX said:

Spending over an hour with Bruno last week doesn't count?

It's not nothing, so I'm going to walk back my judgmental tone.  The way you did is a very traditional way of picking a dog.  Go to the shop or pound, sit in a play pen or small room and play with the dog for a while, and then bring it home.  It can still be done this way, and sometimes it's the only option available, but you're getting a very, very incomplete picture of the dog.

2 years ago, we added a "Bruno" to our family (2 kids and a lab) too.  He was the 4th dog we met over the period of about 2 months.  We saw each of the dogs at a variety of locations and brought the kids and the dog every time.  Each tryout involved us (like you) spending some time with the dog first while ours sat in the house/car.  1 of the dogs didn't make it past this point, but all others did great.  For those dogs we then introduced our dog in a neutral setting and took both on a walk together.  We lost another dog from consideration during this step.  For each of the 2 dogs that past the first two steps, we then released them with our dog in a contained area alone together.  1 of the dogs, that had done great up until that point, instantly turned aggressive.  The other, "Bruno", played with Chester for over an hour and took their rests laying together.  After a week of processing the dog with the rescue and agreeing to terms (which included the process for returning the dog if it didn't work out), we bought Bruno into our family.

It worked out.

This was the day we brought him home to stay.  There were still some problems and surprises (he was a bolter with the door open and liked to counter surf), but we were pretty damn assured that he was going to fit.

You're not bad people, you just miss your dog and got over your skis trying to replace it.  It's a beautiful dog, and I'm sure a local doberman rescue will be happy to find it a new home.  If, however,  you're up for a challenge, hire a behavioral specialist immediately.

[freyguy 4252]

Dear God, why the hell do people inundate themselves with so many dogs? You fucked up, but you still have time to correct it. Open the back gate and set him free...then start working on the other 3 furry rats you have.

[NeverMarryAStripper 21784]

3 hours ago, freyguy said:

Dear God, why the hell do people inundate themselves with so many dogs? You fucked up, but you still have time to correct it. Open the back gate and set him free...then start working on the other 3 furry rats you have.

I'd rather have a lot of dogs than relatives.  Almost every dog I've ever known was better than any of the people I know.

[Jerry Callo 8674]

You got the dog out of a situation that clearly was not going to be ideal.  Dog is clearly not going to work very well with y'all.  Find a rescue group or take the time to make sure the dog ends up in a good situation.  No guilt - lessons learned.

[4th and 5 4914]

every dog problem is a people problem

it is within yourself lies the answer

[CooterBrown 17949]

We briefly had a second dog we got from a rescue…Bassett Lab mix. She wasn’t overly aggressive but just enough that we went to a dog trainer. The immediate advice was to give her back since it’s very difficult, and usually not possible, to train aggression out of a dog. I couldn’t handle a second dog anyway, so luckily the rescue group quickly found a home for her.

[HOOKEM4 5033]

I learned long ago, never get a dog on emotion and above all, never let your wife pick a rescue on emotion. 

You can establish leadership over your pack and set strict boundaries. This comes with walks (bonding) and strict rules that are reinforced as a leader and not as punishment. You need to set expectations for the animal. It will take several months and it will be painful. You got a dog someone fucked up and you can either fix it or send it to the next sucker.

There needs to be a license to get dogs over 10 lbs. 

[Deej 76637]

In my experience, two or three dogs are easier than one. They can entertain and wear themselves out a lot of the time, but I always get puppies. Easier for you and the other dogs to train them right the first time.

Edited December 20, 2022 by Deej

[Updawg 2262]

[baboso 6052]

Yeah, you're thinking this dog is gonna be just like the last one.  They aren't, just like people they come packed with their own little foibles and microaggressions.  Sounds like you've already decided on what to do, pull the trigger and send Bruno to a rescue group.

[Born to Run 6568]

I bet El Techador could handle the entire situation smoothly.

[Zepol87 9173]

On 12/19/2022 at 10:41 PM, WhatTheBuck said:

Don’t let him do that. 

Honestly it's kind of that easy. We took in a stray 7 weeks ago. Dude was found roaming an apartment complex by a friend. He was a complete ass at first with wanting to be on you and full on attention all the time. It just took a week of not letting him do certain things and now it's all good. 

I don't know what you expecting of the Doberman in 18 hours in a completely new environment. 

Edited December 21, 2022 by Zepol87

[closetohumping 17412]

On 12/19/2022 at 11:34 PM, ROFL BOX said:

Spending over an hour with Bruno last week doesn't count?

Did you try to introduce him to your dogs before purchasing?

[UTPhil2006 3795]

It's been 2 days.. where is he now?

[Deej 76637]

The found a nice place out in the country where he can run free. 

 

[ztejas 43382]

7 minutes ago, Deej said:

The found a nice place out in the country where he can run free. 

 

[Kennythetiger 9356]

You all need Jesus. 

[txhorns 2409]

Getting a dog of a certain breed expecting it to be exactly like a previous dog is one of the biggest mistakes people make.

[ROFL BOX 6647]

6 hours ago, Deej said:

The found a nice place out in the country where he can run free. 

 

We actually ARE "out in the country" & he won't be running free for at least 2 months.  The older Corgi's somewhat know their limitations (however they are short enough to scoot under the front gate out by the road).

There has been a little bit of progress with Bruno & I am sort of thinking the arguments between the dogs needs to settle between them.  Jailhouse fight to see who is the badass, etc. (assuming no actual blood loss happens).

 

I will tell y'all this, he is crazy strong when leashed.  I'm doing my best here.

[Born to Run 6568]

Quick Caveat: Don't do business with Roflbox.
He is a real piece of shit with zero honor. His word is garbage and he will ghost you over basic shit. Full stop. Going on 3 years to get resolutions on something simple. I feel good about putting his shit on blast because I thought maybe he was going through some shit, but nah just more stupid shit with some poor dog.

Turns out he is a crook and piece of shit.


THIS is going on several years on my end over basically no cost to him. I've begged pleaded and tried as has my lady friend Do not do business or trade with him. He will steal and ghost your ass. If he did work for you DM and ill find someone to fix his shit.