F35 Shitbird, F22 Badass and similar

[jimmyjazz 46,375]

I don't know anything about this jet -- is the open "canopy" the air intake for vertical landing?

[Homercles 10,206]

16 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I don't know anything about this jet -- is the open "canopy" the air intake for vertical landing?

Yes.  Cover for the lift fan…well the first one is, second canopy was the pilot noping out after almost making the full 8 seconds. 

[Dahobbs 17,749]

16 minutes ago, Homercles said:

Yes.  Cover for the lift fan…well the first one is, second canopy was the pilot noping out after almost making the full 8 seconds. 

I've seen some things that suggest the plane with auto-eject in certain circumstances. If true, I guess that could have happened here? 

[jimmyjazz 46,375]

25 minutes ago, Homercles said:

Yes.  Cover for the lift fan…well the first one is, second canopy was the pilot noping out after almost making the full 8 seconds. 

Yeah, I correctly interpreted the ejection.  

That must have hurt, on the way out AND on the intersection with Mother Earth.

[Superhero 8,876]

On 12/15/2022 at 12:21 PM, elfenix said:

 

 

 

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/zmtn80/f35b_crash_and_00_ejection_at_fort_worth_today/

The F-35B should never have happened.

[Parliament 14,357]

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/b-21-raider-has-flown-for-the-first-time

 

 

[kevwun 15,938]

What are the differences between it and the B-2 other than better stealth.

[Brisketexan 105,490]

What are the differences between it and the B-2 other than better stealth.

Difference between the B2 and the B21? About 19.

[kevwun 15,938]

That's the kind of hard hitting analysis I come to Surly for.  I looked it up myself.  The B-21 has a slightly smaller wingspan, can carry more types of weapons systems,   and can be refueled in mid-air.  It's also cheaper to build and operate.

[Parliament 14,357]

1 hour ago, kevwun said:

What are the differences between it and the B-2 other than better stealth.

It's stealth paint holds up better and allows for forward deployment.  

[Jkwellborn 6,789]

That's the kind of hard hitting analysis I come to Surly for.  I looked it up myself.  The B-21 has a slightly smaller wingspan, can carry more types of weapons systems,   and can be refueled in mid-air.  It's also cheaper to build and operate.

What, the .gov came up with something to save money?

[tx 3 putt 77,676]

3 hours ago, kevwun said:

That's the kind of hard hitting analysis I come to Surly for.  I looked it up myself.  The B-21 has a slightly smaller wingspan, can carry more types of weapons systems,   and can be refueled in mid-air.  It's also cheaper to build and operate.

[Parliament 14,357]

Not when you figure in the cost of the Tru Coat and long term warranty.

[Armybrat 40,945]

What about the undercoating?

[Rimbo 26,175]

 

[Elvis 3,375]

On 12/8/2023 at 10:59 PM, Rimbo said:

 

That was a great lecture.  The sports analogy at the end was fascinating.  He talked about being able to see an alerion deflection before an enemy actually starts the turn.  He compared it to sports athletes that can read their opponent with micro movements or watching the eyes. 

[Parliament 14,357]

I didn't watch the video.  Can the F22 actually, literally see stuff like that?

[Ghost of LL 15,566]

4 hours ago, Parliament said:

I didn't watch the video.  Can the F22 actually, literally see stuff like that?

It's not about the aircraft.  The discussion was in the context of a drone vs. a live pilot who is in the cockpit.  And in a dogfighting scenario, the human pilot can see the movements in the control surfaces, which will cause a change in the orientation of the opposing aircraft before the aircraft actually reacts to that change in its own control surfaces.

As an aside, that has to make it difficult for the pilot of a 4th Gen. fighter in any dogfight with a 5th Gen fighter, because the control surface movement would be so different that it would really throw off the pilot of the 4th Gen fighter.

[YGIFS 19,453]

On 12/7/2023 at 5:53 PM, Parliament said:

Not when you figure in the cost of the Tru Coat and long term warranty.

 

On 12/8/2023 at 6:37 PM, Armybrat said:

What about the undercoating?

Now, can I interest you in the paint protection plan?  These Lockheeds will rust up on you like a...dammit Gil, just close the deal!

[elfenix 34,366]

On 12/7/2023 at 2:17 PM, Brisketexan said:

Difference between the B2 and the B21? About 19.

F-19?

 

 

 

[59 Burst 434]

I worked for Garrett Airesearch back in the 70’s. And I remember sitting around pondering the fact that Kelly Johnson and his skunkworks developed the SR-71 in the early 1960’s. Here we are half a century later and that airframe is still the gold standard. 

[Chad Fuck 17,831]

F-19?
 

 

 

I built that.

[Jkwellborn 6,789]

You were an X-Man?

[Chad Fuck 17,831]

You were an X-Man?

You were there?

[YGIFS 19,453]

On 12/14/2023 at 7:41 PM, elfenix said:

F-19?

 

 

 

When you're ever hard-pressed to find someone to keep a top-secret military weapons system on the down low, always, always...count on Italeri.  Because everybody knows Italians never talk a lot.  

[Parliament 14,357]

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/b-21-raider-flight-testing-now-underway
 

 

[Homercles 10,206]

On 12/7/2023 at 2:18 PM, kevwun said:

That's the kind of hard hitting analysis I come to Surly for.  I looked it up myself.  The B-21 has a slightly smaller wingspan, can carry more types of weapons systems,   and can be refueled in mid-air.  It's also cheaper to build and operate.

The B2 could be refueled midair as well.  Beyond the basics you noted, no one in the public domain really knows but some key suspected changes:

- Better stealth through improved materials, smaller size, and the planform is what the B2 was supposed to be (removal of extra sawtooth/duckbill tail) and thus higher altitude too

- Massive systems upgrade…beyond a suite of broadband sensors embedded into the exterior and more compute, entire thing is modular to enable more rapid addition/upgrade of capabilities.  Supposed to act like a flying network node along the lines of the F35 + electronic attack + control drone swarms 

- Expected to be much easier to maintain and deploy, and they better follow through with their build out numbers so it doesn’t become another low density, high demand, priceless asset like the B2 did.  

- A lot of the breakthrough is likely stuff you can’t see…like details on burying the intake / hiding the exhaust signature, how they integrate the sensors into the skin of the thing, latest composite tech, etc.  

The general idea is it’s not just a bomber, but a flying C3 node directing a collection of manned and unmanned assets while simultaneously vacuuming up ELINT data, interrupting enemy radar/comms, and attacking targets itself.  

 

Edited January 22 by Homercles

[Parliament 14,357]

Word is its penis is 17% larger too.

[Parliament 14,357]

So we fly one in November and green light it 2 months later?  Seems pretty good.  Northrup is being diligent about this thing.  Frees up $$$ for cocaine and Congressional bribes.  Good business there.

https://www.defenseone.com/defense-systems/2024/01/b-21-production-go-pentagon-says/393529/
 

 

[Parliament 14,357]

Russia: can’t keep shit from getting blowed up on their own soil.

America:

 

[Chad Fuck 17,831]

Russia: can’t keep shit from getting blowed up on their own soil.
America:
 

That deserves a “Fuck yeah!”

[Parliament 14,357]

Americans are fat, lazy, dumb and are prone to wild conspiracy theories.  And yet we build weapons that are literal science fiction.  How is that even possible?

[Chad Fuck 17,831]

Americans are fat, lazy, dumb and are prone to wild conspiracy theories.  And yet we build weapons that are literal science fiction.  How is that even possible?

Because we are vast and contain multitudes.

It’s no surprise that we have Uber nerds that build super weapons living next door to morons. The true quandary for me is that I know dudes who could’ve had a part in making these hammers of Thor and yet also have a part of their generally impressive noggins that are also able to hold the conspiracy theories. Baffling.

[boilerhorn 1,422]

On 9/19/2024 at 9:07 AM, Parliament said:

Americans are fat, lazy, dumb and are prone to wild conspiracy theories.  And yet we build weapons that are literal science fiction.  How is that even possible?

To a certain extent "fat and lazy" can motivate innovation.  Too lazy to dodge incoming flak?  Create an invisible fighter.  Too fat to fit in the cockpit?  Create drones you can fly from the comfort of your easy chair.  Brains over brawn is why man is at the top of the foodchain.  Brains over brawn and bodies is why the USA is at the top of the foodchain.

Edit: I left out a reference to "dumb."  Yeah, they're not helping much here.

Edited September 21 by boilerhorn
Brawn

[Armybrat 40,945]

*brawn