8 team playoff could have been awesome this season

[Slacks 7064]

Based on the two semi games, four more teams could have competed just fine and been entertaining.

Discuss.

[Dutchrudder 11243]

But then we would have had a Bama/Georgia Final, and nobody wants that.  

[Horn Dogg 4297]

It would have been cooler between 2000-2009 so that we could have been there!

[Hagbard Celine 11255]

#teamasteroid

[millhouse 2733]

The initial match ups would have obviously been different. First round may have been a bit one sided for some games, but I'd love an extra week or two of this

[Hagbard Celine 11255]

it's a crapshoot

3/6 and 4/5 might have been like today

1/8 and 2/7 might not have been like today

[tx 3 putt 78685]

#1 and #2 teams get a bye

#3 to #8, opening week. blind draw match ups.

week 2 - rank them and match up 

week 3 - title game 

[formermav43 4630]

There’s never going to be an 8 team playoff. Doesn’t seem like there’s much to discuss.

[Guest]

4 teams is already more risk than the "Sanctity of the Regular Season' folks can handle.

 

In reality, it should be 16, just like the other divisions of college football.  It's idiotic that the 'big boys' refuse to do it right, but all dat cash along with manipulation of who is in and who isn't is just way the fuck more important than having an awesome postseason in what is much of America's favorite sport.

[CleverNickname 1345]

The best system should be flexible (and therefore impossible). Look at all the teams after championship week, and see what you've got. Sometimes that's 2 or 4 or 8. This year it should just be 2: Michigan v Georgia. One loss teams should only get in there are not 2 undefeated conference champions. Sometimes you might need a teams with a loss to pair against another undefeated conference champ (like if USC hadn't choked).

[hornmpa96 2668]

More playoff games is always better than meaningless bowl games

[ChickenSandwich 9959]

10 minutes ago, CleverNickname said:

The best system should be flexible (and therefore impossible). Look at all the teams after championship week, and see what you've got. Sometimes that's 2 or 4 or 8. This year it should just be 2: Michigan v Georgia. One loss teams should only get in there are not 2 undefeated conference champions. Sometimes you might need a teams with a loss to pair against another undefeated conference champ (like if USC hadn't choked).

If any significant number of the 120 D1 teams played the same schedules this would make sense. 
 

I prefer on the field results over figure skating determinations. 
 

NFL Playoffs >>> EPL no playoffs. 
 

 

[Pato del Muerto 53506]

6 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

#1 and #2 teams get a bye

#3 to #8, opening week. blind draw match ups.

week 2 - rank them and match up 

week 3 - title game 

Might want to rethink this. 

[WBT 20979]

50 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

NFL Playoffs >>> EPL no playoffs. 

disagree

[ChickenSandwich 9959]

33 minutes ago, WBT said:

disagree

Understandable. Maybe its an American sports thing. IMO its about entertainment and a title being decided with months to play (Pool July 2020) vs a super bowl is a no brainer from an entertainment perspective. 

The EPL/No playoffs is arguably the more pure title though  

 

[CooterBrown 18288]

EPL table > NFL playoffs. Every week matters in the EPL and not just at the top, the battle for 17th place is also important.

[Goredho 17656]

1 hour ago, hornmpa96 said:

More playoff games is always better than meaningless bowl games

Close the thread, this is the answer.  Look at our bowl game (I didn’t after seeing who wouldn’t be playing).  Opt outs and transfer portal make non playoff bowl games a ridiculous waste of time with all the drama and import of an NFL preseason game.  Expand the playoffs and give more people a reason to travel or tune in to post-conference CFB.

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, CooterBrown said:

EPL table > NFL playoffs. Every week matters in the EPL and not just at the top, the battle for 17th place is also important.

If only the sport mattered though...

College football is the inverse:  shitty determination of champion.  Great overall sport.

[Slacks 7064]

5 hours ago, formermav43 said:

There’s never going to be an 8 team playoff. Doesn’t seem like there’s much to discuss.

This site is full of discussions about wild things that will never happen.

There are entire sub boards about shit we wish would be different.

[Hagbard Celine 11255]

2 headlines from a year ago have the same data, 25.9 share last year was the largest since the first year ('14).

esipn spin is opposite the other article

given how awesome these 2 games were, the ratings story is big for the prospects of expansion

https://espnpressroom.com/us/press-releases/2022/01/new-years-six-delivers-multi-year-viewership-highs-second-most-watched-non-semifinal-rose-bowl-game-of-college-football-playoff-era/

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2022/01/cfp-semifinal-ratings-lowest-yet-new-years-eve-alabama-cincinnati-michigan-georgia/

[Herpa Derpa 6343]

Let's put some meat on the discussion bone:

 

#1 Georgia (SEC) v. #8 Tulane (AAC)

#2 Michigan (B1G) v. #7 Utah (P12)

#3 TCU (B12) v. #6 Clemson (ACC)

#4 Ohio St. (At Large #1) v. #5 Alabama (At Large #2)

 

So only likely difference to this year would be whether Georgia beats tOSU or Bama to face the Frogs. But there is always the random variables like injury with added games.

[TexArcher 39072]

We're not getting an 8-team playoff.  We're getting a 12-team playoff, which is better because the 4 byes keep the regular season games, particularly the late season rivalry games, very meaningful.

And we'll never again have a real controversy, because the 13th team will have at least 2 losses and probably 3.  So they can go sit down.

Bring it on.  It's gonna be great.

[Blotto 24021]

11 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

#1 and #2 teams get a bye

#3 to #8, opening week. blind draw match ups.

week 2 - rank them and match up 

week 3 - title game 

Week 2 seems like a clusterfuck, with 5 teams all battling for the title game. Are we talking a cage match with all 5 teams on the field? 

[Beau Vine 55867]

1 hour ago, Blotto said:

Week 2 seems like a clusterfuck, with 5 teams all battling for the title game. Are we talking a cage match with all 5 teams on the field? 

[BB65 489]

I like a 16 team playoff. You can play it in the same number of weeks as 12 and no team gets the benefit of a bye. If not 16 teams just make it 8 teams. I don’t think any team deserves a bye. 

[CooterBrown 18288]

I want a 6 game regular season and then a single elimination 128 team tournament. No bitching, everyone is in. One winner, 127 losers.

[Ignatius 4142]

6 hours ago, slorch said:

If only the sport mattered though...

College football is the inverse:  shitty determination of champion.  Great overall sport.

How would letting teams 9-16 in make it a better determination of a champion?

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, Ignatius said:

How would letting teams 9-16 in make it a better determination of a champion?

Out of 129 teams that don't play everyone?

a 12.4% pool seems reasonable to cover (imperfect) teams who may have had an injury or were very young, or IDK, maybe played in a hella tough conference.

Answer your own fucking question.

Edited January 1, 2023 by slorch

[Ignatius 4142]

28 minutes ago, slorch said:

Out of 129 teams that don't play everyone?

a 12.4% pool seems reasonable to cover (imperfect) teams who may have had an injury or were very young, or IDK, maybe played in a hella tough conference.

Answer your own fucking question.

Lol you have to work today?

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Ignatius said:

Lol you have to work today?

Haven't left the house, motherfucker...

[52-80 19377]

[royiv 9791]

9 hours ago, CleverNickname said:

The best system should be flexible (and therefore impossible). Look at all the teams after championship week, and see what you've got. Sometimes that's 2 or 4 or 8. This year it should just be 2: Michigan v Georgia. One loss teams should only get in there are not 2 undefeated conference champions. Sometimes you might need a teams with a loss to pair against another undefeated conference champ (like if USC hadn't choked).

So a team that just lost a semifinal game should have been an automatic qualifier for the championship game? 

[hookem48 4856]

10 hours ago, ChickenSandwich said:

If any significant number of the 120 D1 teams played the same schedules this would make sense. 
 

I prefer on the field results over figure skating determinations. 
 

NFL Playoffs >>> EPL no playoffs. 
 

 

ok, I admit I had to google EPL.

[Surly Bevo 25748]

LOL at anybody shitting on how European soccer determines a champion.

You may not like soccer and that’s fair, but a European Soccer League champion is the purest champion in any sport league in the world

[atomheartbevo 90650]

6 hours ago, Herpa Derpa said:

Let's put some meat on the discussion bone:

#1 Georgia (SEC) v. #8 Tulane (AAC)

#2 Michigan (B1G) v. #7 Utah (P12)

#3 TCU (B12) v. #6 Clemson (ACC)

#4 Ohio St. (At Large #1) v. #5 Alabama (At Large #2)

So only likely difference to this year would be whether Georgia beats tOSU or Bama to face the Frogs. But there is always the random variables like injury with added games.

From an advertising perspective, you are hitting a helluva lot more parts of the country with those matchups.  And people who aren't fans of the top 3-4 are probably still going to tune in to those games, looking for an upset.

[ChickenSandwich 9959]

44 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

LOL at anybody shitting on how European soccer determines a champion.

You may not like soccer and that’s fair, but a European Soccer League champion is the purest champion in any sport league in the world

But least entertaining when the championship is decided with a month left to play. How often does the EPL come down to a final game where the two teams in contention are actually facing each other?  
 

It is the purest championship but for entertaining purposes it fails compared to the NFL playoffs and Super Bowl. 

[CleverNickname 1345]

2 hours ago, royiv said:

So a team that just lost a semifinal game should have been an automatic qualifier for the championship game? 

I'm saying after the championship games, the committee gets together and figures it out. Sometimes, like this year, that means just 2 teams. Sometimes it would be more. There would have been no semifinal this year. Like in 2005: only Texas and USC has a good claim to play for it. Some years you'd need more. Maybe one year there would be 4 undefeated teams: obvious 4 team pool. Sometimes there would be an whole mess of 1 loss contenders, so bring it on. But I know that being flexible is no way to negotiate TV contracts. 

[Surly Bevo 25748]

But least entertaining when the championship is decided with a month left to play. How often does the EPL come down to a final game where the two teams in contention are actually facing each other?  
 
It is the purest championship but for entertaining purposes it fails compared to the NFL playoffs and Super Bowl. 

EPL has been decided 8 times on the Final Day. It’s not the norm but not as rare as you think. Is it the two teams in contention facing each other? No but plenty of times it comes down to last few match days and those times down to the last match day.

[ChickenSandwich 9959]

9 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

EPL has been decided 8 times on the Final Day. It’s not the norm but not as rare as you think. Is it the two teams in contention facing each other? No but plenty of times it comes down to last few match days and those times down to the last match day.

How many of those 8 days were the two teams in contention (1 & 2) actually playing each other?  Has it ever happened?

 

Is there ever a single league game with as much on the line as a World Cup or European/ Champions League final?

Edited January 2, 2023 by ChickenSandwich

[notre dame joe 205]

12 hours ago, CleverNickname said:

The best system should be flexible (and therefore impossible). Look at all the teams after championship week, and see what you've got. Sometimes that's 2 or 4 or 8. This year it should just be 2: Michigan v Georgia. One loss teams should only get in there are not 2 undefeated conference champions. Sometimes you might need a teams with a loss to pair against another undefeated conference champ (like if USC hadn't choked).

 

7 hours ago, Herpa Derpa said:

Let's put some meat on the discussion bone:

 

#1 Georgia (SEC) v. #8 Tulane (AAC)

#2 Michigan (B1G) v. #7 Utah (P12)

#3 TCU (B12) v. #6 Clemson (ACC)

#4 Ohio St. (At Large #1) v. #5 Alabama (At Large #2)

 

So only likely difference to this year would be whether Georgia beats tOSU or Bama to face the Frogs. But there is always the random variables like injury with added games.

You might as well play the major bowls and then have a 4 team playoff or championship game.

 

Interestingly the Sugar Bowl is probably the same matchup, SEC Champ UGA vs BUG#2 Ohio State. 

Rose Bowl is Michigan vs Utah. 

TCU probably hosts Bama in the Cotton. 

Orange Bowl is the same matchup without a Big8.

Don't know about the Fiesta, probably a fun matchup between USC and Penn State. 

 

 

TCU would lose and UGA would play Michigan for the championship next week, or a playoff among the 4 winners. 

[Surly Bevo 25748]

How many of those 8 days were the two teams in contention (1 & 2) actually playing each other?  Has it ever happened?
 
Is there ever a single league game with as much on the line as a World Cup or European/ Champions League final?

I already answered your first question.

As to your second question PM Derka and ask him about the “richest game in football”

Yes the EPL and all Euro soccer leagues are clearly big entertainment failures with a pure champion. WNBA levels of support in fact.

[royiv 9791]

2 hours ago, CleverNickname said:

I'm saying after the championship games, the committee gets together and figures it out. Sometimes, like this year, that means just 2 teams. Sometimes it would be more. There would have been no semifinal this year. Like in 2005: only Texas and USC has a good claim to play for it. Some years you'd need more. Maybe one year there would be 4 undefeated teams: obvious 4 team pool. Sometimes there would be an whole mess of 1 loss contenders, so bring it on. But I know that being flexible is no way to negotiate TV contracts. 

You totally whiffed on answering my question. 

[ChickenSandwich 9959]

12 hours ago, Surly Bevo said:

I already answered your first question.

As to your second question PM Derka and ask him about the “richest game in football”

Yes the EPL and all Euro soccer leagues are clearly big entertainment failures with a pure champion. WNBA levels of support in fact.

Actually you didn’t. The top two teams have never played on the final day with the title on the line against each other. 
 

https://www.planetfootball.com/quick-reads/premier-league-title-final-day-decided-man-utd-chelsea-man-city-liverpool/

 

I did not say it was in any way an entertainment failure. I was simply pointing out that the EPL never has a game with as much on the line as a World Cup/Euro or Champions league final.