the 2023 speaker of the house voting thread of implosion

[dieucla98 2942]

1 minute ago, atomheartbevo said:

Whoever told him that is the person that came up with the "96% of the vote against McCarthy were Democrats and so it's their fault we have this mess" spiel.

I'm just amazed that he gets where this train is headed in the long run.

I think the only way to save the R party at this point is to empower the Speaker Pro Tem - that's the only face saving move left on the board, thanks to their own party's inability to work with itself. So maybe Roy has the forecast right, but I think he's 100% wrong the reason we get there.

[Wally Fairway 5571]

Inside look at the Republican Conference
And for those voting against JJ it is beatings will continue until voting improves

[RomaVicta 29953]

12 hours ago, Gengs1 said:

 

 

12 hours ago, G650 said:

That's honestly hilarious

To us. Well, not so much to me, anymore. All they need is some sort of talking point for their parrot constituency to seize as a rationale. When the parrots get it, there's no turning it back. They are humorless, irony-deaf fanatic cultists. They will surely state this as factual and reasonable evidence that the Dems are fucking everything up.

An argument-proof plurality becomes less funny to me every day even if I see the absurdity in what they claim.

 

 

12 hours ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

 

Jesus tap dancing christ, the south needs to be cut off. Go do you, you fucking shitbag reds 

True. It's not because of who they elect. It's because they elect who they are to office.

 

12 hours ago, Surly Bevo said:

Yep people like their reality TV and social media cynicism, angst and shit talking and can no longer separate how it’s one thing in those fantasylands and another thing in the real world.

Bingo!

 

40 minutes ago, tokamak said:

That 96% thing is clearly just a talking point someone jotted down on a napkin. "Just keep saying that, it's the best we've got right now"

And their cult will hold together with just that.

In Idiot World, idiocy is king.

Edited October 19, 2023 by RomaVicta

[texasdago 7576]

They're a party of toddlers who picked up a turd, rubbed it all over their body and then pointed at the dog and said, "its his fault"

[smuggs 9353]

4 minutes ago, texasdago said:

They're a party of toddlers who picked up a turd, rubbed it all over their body and then pointed at the dog and said, "its his fault"

 

Repooplicans.

Conserviturds.

Grand Old Farty.

 

 

Edited October 19, 2023 by smuggs

[Biff Tannen 45696]

39 minutes ago, G650 said:

I was thinking about it last night,  I really want to know what idiot came up with that talking popoint

An idiot that knows it will work with their idiot base.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Lol

[The Dog 44073]

 

[SydneyCarton 48142]

11 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

Just imagine how much a person must hate gays and Brown and Black people to put up with this collection of loathsome, incompetent, flawed human beings as your appointed representatives.

I mean, lets not ignore Gerrymandering. The cylce before last, my rep was Dan Crenshaw. Before that some other Pub. 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13516]

Guess Jordan is out now or will be later on today.

I do agree with Chip Roy that hell will break loose if the GOP has to recruit Dems to appoint McHenry or actually vote in an actual Speaker. The GOP House majority will effectively cease to exist. We all know that their majority was a loose affiliation at best but this hypothetical will splinter it even more.

 

[SydneyCarton 48142]

58 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Chip Roy ges it - the Republicans are on the path to losing the House next year.   Now why they are on that path, he doesn't get it.

 

Chip Roy: Working with Democrats to Elect a House Speaker is an unforgivable step that will damage the concept of coalition governemnt, which is working with Democrats to govern. 

Alternate Translation:

Chip Roy: Working with Democrats is a step towards coalition governemnt, which is unvorgivable. 

Either way you interpret the meaning of that motherfucker's tweet is fucking horrendous. 

[Macanudo 13003]

A loose affiliation of seditous, lying traitors and spineless weasels.

[Js1 85454]

1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

Chip Roy ges it - the Republicans are on the path to losing the House next year.   Now why they are on that path, he doesn't get it.

 

You know what else has never happened before Chip? A speaker being voted out mid-session bc a pedophile from Florida threw a fit that they didn’t shut down the government 

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Js1 said:

You know what else has never happened before Chip? A speaker being voted out mid-session bc a pedophile from Florida threw a fit that they didn’t shut down the government 

[Wally Fairway 5571]

4 minutes ago, Js1 said:

You know what else has never happened before Chip? A speaker being voted out mid-session bc a pedophile from Florida threw a fit that they didn’t shut down the government 

The small group of Republicans that voted out McCarthey are all happy to march the US government down the path of shutting down the government, default on debt obligations, not passing any legislation. And they all think that this will lead to Trumpf winning the 2024 Presidency and a Repulican landslide in the down ticket voting including the Senate and House races. 
Sadly, I think this is showing that Trump has made it more difficult to elect republicans as many will not vote a Trump backed candidate and another group will not vote for anyone who is not backed my the orange man.

[cactusflinthead 27601]

13 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

They deliver what their voters really want: show trials and passion plays, and, mostly, to see other people unsettled and angry. These citizens vote not for determined legislators with complicated plans—that stuff is just so boring—but for entertaining rogues who can liven up the Fox prime-time hours

QFT

Bolded is why it makes them mad when we laugh at them. Reverse the whip. Laugh at the idiots. Because that's what makes them mad. Getting mad at them is what they want. 

That meme of the triggered woman is what they want. It's what motivated Trump. And this resentment at the idea that someone can be happy with anything. They are miserable and want the rest of us to join them in it.

Fuck yo anger. I'm going to laugh at you. Here's your Herman Cain Award.

[Goredho 17413]

11 hours ago, Chopper said:

As Paul Harvey used to say, here's the rest of the story.

Tune in again tomorrow for the big question yet to be tackled: Will there be a republican conference meeting -- with pizza -- on Thursday?

When your party shits in your eye and gives away your pizza pie

That's not amore

[Welch 635]

I’m not sure about that doom-and-gloom from Roy.  Legacy media will bend over backwards to make Republicans look good if they end up with any sort of power-sharing deal.

”In arriving at this historic compromise, Republicans listened to the silent majority of Americans who had grown tired of extreme partisanship and worsening gridlock.  Recognizing the immediate need to address spiraling conflicts overseas and looming budgetary issues at home, the GOP extended an olive branch to work with Democrats to make Congress function again.  While the Democrats spent their years in the majority jamming through massive legislation like the ACA and IRA strictly with party-line votes, Republicans are showing there’s another way to get things done in Washington…”

[Pescado_Rojo 19427]

32 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Chip Roy: Working with Democrats to Elect a House Speaker is an unforgivable step that will damage the concept of coalition governemnt, which is working with Democrats to govern. 

Alternate Translation:

Chip Roy: Working with Democrats is a step towards coalition governemnt, which is unvorgivable. 

Either way you interpret the meaning of that motherfucker's tweet is fucking horrendous. 

You beat me to it. He said the quiet part out loud. They don't want to govern, they want to rule. There is no compromise. If only there were examples that they could learn from throughout our history of conservatives refusing to compromise and ultimately ending up with nothing . 

Also, Chip Roy is rocketing up my list of most hated republicans. Probably because I know he knows better and is putting on an act for his district and MAGA nation. 

Edited October 19, 2023 by Pescado_Rojo

[Mdhorn 5975]

10 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

QFT

Bolded is why it makes them mad when we laugh at them. Reverse the whip. Laugh at the idiots. Because that's what makes them mad. Getting mad at them is what they want. 

That meme of the triggered woman is what they want. It's what motivated Trump. And this resentment at the idea that someone can be happy with anything. They are miserable and want the rest of us to join them in it.

Fuck yo anger. I'm going to laugh at you. Here's your Herman Cain Award.

Nailed it--cant rationalize with crazy and discussion only acknowledges they have a position (they don't).  

My new family talking points begin with: Hey mom, these facilities should have both physical and mental therapy.  Have you checked for Bingo?  I also see that they have gardening.   

 

[Bozo_Casanova 26514]

51 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Lol

HOLY SHIT THERE'S A LIVESTREAM

 

[ConferenceRoom 6144]

Any pizza?

[South Austin 52526]

Just now, ConferenceRoom said:

Any pizza?

No, just Lauren Boebert handjobs.

[Js1 85454]

5 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

Probably because I know he knows better

I’m sick of giving them passes or hand waving away what they say/do bc “they probably know better”

If they knew better, they wouldn’t do it. It’s who they are at this point 

[ConferenceRoom 6144]

Just now, South Austin said:

No, just Lauren Boebert handjobs.

[Bozo_Casanova 26514]

might be?

[Js1 85454]

1 minute ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

might be?

He’s close. They’re more like the Know Nothing Party 

[Bozo_Casanova 26514]

Now I'm quite sure Chip Roy ultimately won't hold out, but others will, ranging from nihilists to actual hard conservatives who don't like the idea of a long term interim speaker (BTW, I don't either). So the question is: will Gaetz and Co. force the GOP to cut a deal with the Democrats to get across the line? There's gotta be 5-10 Republicans who won't go for this. 

Oh, and not surprised Jim "Hates to Lose" Jordan gave up, just like he did at the Olympic trials against Randy Lewis in '88. 

Edited October 19, 2023 by Bozo_Casanova

[Js1 85454]

4 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

There's gotta be 5-10 Republicans who won't go for this. 

The Dems will bc I assume they’ve already endorsed it with promises of Israel/Ukraine/Taiwan aid package and a funding bill. So you probably Have way more than enough votes 

Edited October 19, 2023 by Js1

[The Dog 44073]

3 minutes ago, Js1 said:

The Dems will bc I assume they’ve already endorsed it with promises of Israel/Ukraine/Taiwan aid package and a funding bill. So you probably Have way more than enough votes 

there's money for border enforcement too.

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20466]

 

 

 

[Bozo_Casanova 26514]

Can McHenry also get an "escalatory plan"?

 

Edited October 19, 2023 by Bozo_Casanova

[SydneyCarton 48142]

25 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

You beat me to it. He said the quiet part out loud. They don't want to govern, they want to rule. There is no compromise. If only there were examples that they could learn from throughout our history of conservatives refusing to compromise and ultimately ending up with nothing . 

Also, Chip Roy is rocketing up my list of most hated republicans. Probably because I know he knows better and is putting on an act for his district and MAGA nation. 

 

18 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I’m sick of giving them passes or hand waving away what they say/do bc “they probably know better”

If they knew better, they wouldn’t do it. It’s who they are at this point 

Yeah, gotta go with JS1's take here, Red Fish. I'm not sure what would make you believe Chip Roy knows better. He's one of the most powerful and influential memebers of the Freedom Caucus. He's not some guy crowing the Trump party line so as to not piss off voters and maintain plausible deniability, he was one of the guys who neutered McCarthy from jump street. He learned by sucking at the Teet of Ted Cruz; when he emrbaces a role, he's all in with gusto, including cradling the balls, stroking the shaft, working the pipe, and swallowing the gravy. You may call it performance art, but at some point, that stops mattering. 

[Js1 85454]

My guess is if McHenry does a decent job, passes an aid bill and government funding without giving up the farm, Jordan will lose more votes in the next 2.5 months and still won’t win. If McHenry stabilizes the House, why go for chaos literally in the election year??

[Post Oak 20254]

The Dems need to leak that they are in conversation with 3 Rs for their vote and just to watch it burn 

[SydneyCarton 48142]

2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

My guess is if McHenry does a decent job, passes an aid bill and government funding without giving up the farm, Jordan will lose more votes in the next 2.5 months and still won’t win. If McHenry stabilizes the House, why go for chaos literally in the election year??

Because you're a pschopath who believes it's your divine right, and you want to be in charge of the re-election purse strings. 

[Bozo_Casanova 26514]

1 minute ago, Post Oak said:

The Dems need to leak that they are in conversation with 3 Rs for their vote and just to watch it burn 

If they did that, they would burn the 20ish they are actually in conversation with...

[Js1 85454]

2 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Because you're a pschopath who believes it's your divine right, and you want to be in charge of the re-election purse strings. 

Fair. This is basically a pre-scheduled MTV for January 2024. Let’s see how the morons bungle this - as long as they get some government funding through the election and neuter a 2024 shutdown 

[Pato del Muerto 52543]

Do they negotiate and vote on how they empower mchenry, or is it just yes/no to the entirety of speakership duties?

[Pescado_Rojo 19427]

11 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

 

Yeah, gotta go with JS1's take here, Red Fish. I'm not sure what would make you believe Chip Roy knows better. He's one of the most powerful and influential memebers of the Freedom Caucus. He's not some guy crowing the Trump party line so as to not piss off voters and maintain plausible deniability, he was one of the guys who neutered McCarthy from jump street. He learned by sucking at the Teet of Ted Cruz; when he emrbaces a role, he's all in with gusto, including cradling the balls, stroking the shaft, working the pipe, and swallowing the gravy. You may call it performance art, but at some point, that stops mattering. 

He 100% knows better. He's got a BS and MS from UVA and a JD from Texas. He's not a moron. He knows how our government is supposed to work. He's also 100% a true-believer Republican shitbag who has altered his appearance and vocal delivery to appeal to voters in his gerrymandered R+20 district. 

He's gone from this guy:

To this guy:

in 6 years. 

[Bozo_Casanova 26514]

1 minute ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

in 6 years. 

Couple years ago I was in DC with a 40 YO wall street guy who hadn't spent any time around the Hill.  We're walking around and he pipes up: "why does everybody look like shit? They don't work any harder than we did at Goldman."

[SydneyCarton 48142]

9 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

He 100% knows better. He's got a BS and MS from UVA and a JD from Texas. He's not a moron. He knows how our government is supposed to work. He's also 100% a true-believer Republican shitbag who has altered his appearance and vocal delivery to appeal to voters in his gerrymandered R+20 district. 

He's gone from this guy:

To this guy:

in 6 years. 

If the last almost 8 years have taught us anything, it's that well-degreed and intelligent people are as prone to getting brain worms and becoming stupid fucking shits at a high fucking percentage. I suppose we're sort of splitting hairs at this point, to be honest. You say he knows what he's doing, but you also say he's a true believer. Well, he's a true believer that our government doesn't work and needs to be burned down, and he's working towards that end. So how is that not "he knows better." Clearly he does not, since he's actively working to burn down government, and arguably he's one of the best/most competent at doing it?

Edited October 19, 2023 by SydneyCarton

[4th&Five 41572]

9 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

He 100% knows better. He's got a BS and MS from UVA and a JD from Texas. He's not a moron. He knows how our government is supposed to work. He's also 100% a true-believer Republican shitbag who has altered his appearance and vocal delivery to appeal to voters in his gerrymandered R+20 district. 

He's gone from this guy:

To this guy:

in 6 years. 

Penny Loafers to Hey Dude's.

[Pescado_Rojo 19427]

5 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

If the last almost 8 years have taught us anything, it's that well-degreed and intelligent people are as prone to getting brain worms and becoming stupid fucking shits at a high fucking percentage. I suppose we're sort of splitting hairs at this point, to be honest. You say he knows what he's doing, but you also say he's a true believer. Well, he's a true believer that our government doesn't work and need to be burned down, and he's working towards that end. So how is that not "he knows better." Clearly he does not, since he's actively working to burn down government, and arguably he's one of the best/most competent at doing it?

I feel like we both agree the sky is blue, but we're arguing about the shade. 

[SydneyCarton 48142]

Just now, Pescado_Rojo said:

I feel like we both agree the sky is blue, but we're arguing about the shade. 

I mean maybe. If he's a true believer, and he wants to destroy the government we have, and he's working towards that end, how can he "know better." 

The only plausible response to that is that he's a pure nihilist and wants to watch the world burn, which I guess is a possibility. 

[Guest]

So they will vote for McHenry to be the temporary permanent speaker... but they won't vote for him to be speaker?

[Pescado_Rojo 19427]

2 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

Penny Loafers to Hey Dude's.

Johnson & Murphy to square-toed Ariats. 

[SydneyCarton 48142]

2 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

So they will vote for McHenry to be the temporary permanent speaker... but they won't vote for him to be speaker?

Yes. Becuase that would mean having to put aside greivances against their own party members, and Jordan would have to admit that he lost. 

[kevwun 15814]

So there won't be a shutdown and foreign aid will keep flowing.  That would be total victory for the Dems.  All because of magat feelings.

Edited October 19, 2023 by kevwun

[Bozo_Casanova 26514]

This is going to be real tight. MTG, Gaetz, Banks will almost certainly oppose. Roy is probably shaky regardless of what he says but the real wildcard is somebody like Collins and 2-3 others who thinks thi is an embarrassing shitshow and bad procedure besides, and whether or not Team Jordan pulls the knives out against Team McCarthy by voting against McHenry, and whether Team Scalise goes knives out for Team Jordan by voting against McHenry. 

Unless they had a guarantee from the Dems. If the full conference falls in line a deal was cut. and obviously if Dems make up the difference, a deal was cut. 

Most interesting would be if a few Dems vote for McHenry up front - you might see Republicans pull away. 

 

Edited October 19, 2023 by Bozo_Casanova