the 2023 speaker of the house voting thread of implosion

[SydneyCarton 48,106]

Just now, hookem2010 said:

This is where I've been at with my parents for the last 2 years. One the one hand, we're about to have 2 kids under 3 and could really use some help. On the other hand, I feel my blood boiling when the people they support continue to do things to jeopardize the future of their grandkids.

I did see a Nikki Haley mailer on their table though, so perhaps approaching the subject to see if there is any hope of AT LEAST getting them to fully leave MAGA Land behind would be a worthwhile exercise.

My step father tried to tell me how much he likes Hailey, and he balked when I said she was a piece of shit. He hates MAGA, but he still completely shut down, and he still says "Biden is senile" with no basis. Have you considered flat out saying to your parents "I have a hard time exposing my son to you, when your beliefs and viewpoints directly jeapardize the future life and freedoms of my son, your grandson." Maybe that will snap them out of it?

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10 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

He'll be gone soon enough, but somebody much, much smarter is going to steal his playbook and do this way, way better.  Nobody can take a day off.  

Vigilance certainly is the key, and someone worse/smarter may come along.  But I think Trump, to a large degree, was a perfect storm of awful and resonanting notoriety, and just any old chode with his playbook won't be enough to get the rubes off the couch or to empty their wallets further.  This is my hope anyway. 

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1 minute ago, SydneyCarton said:

My step father tried to tell me how much he likes Hailey, and he balked when I said she was a piece of shit. He hates MAGA, but he still completely shut down, and he still says "Biden is senile" with no basis. Have you considered flat out saying to your parents "I have a hard time exposing my son to you, when your beliefs and viewpoints directly jeapardize the future life and freedoms of my son, your grandson." Maybe that will snap them out of it?

Honestly, at least personally, I've thought about the fact that I occasionally talk to my parents and see them every few months. Fox News talks to them for literally hours every day. How you going to overcome that?

[hookem2010 2,624]

The thought has crossed my mind. They have at least wised up enough to not verbalize the stupid shit I was hearing from them from 2016-2020.

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1 minute ago, SydneyCarton said:

Have you considered flat out saying to your parents "I have a hard time exposing my son to you, when your beliefs and viewpoints directly jeapardize the future life and freedoms of my son, your grandson." Maybe that will snap them out of it?

That could certainly be their leopard eating their face. It's like they think everyone is just bullshitting and doesn't actually believe the thing they're saying, just like the leopard eating faces voter doesn't actually believe most of the shit they see and hear. But they've got faith, and that's always been what they follow. So they'll keep listening to their blind faith over the cold reality, simply because the cold reality makes them sad

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2 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

I get it man, but specifically saying "This is the segment that will bring America to it's knees" sure sounds like blame shifting. It's on all of us. You're right, nobody can take a day off. 

Well that's kind of the tacit point.  When otherwise 'regular' people validate a vote for a person like Trump, that's when you know true evil has taken over.  It's that portion I worry about.  They're all complicit.  But suburban couple with some community college goes for Trump but doesn't really advertise it.  25 million of 'em?  I can drive them to commit mass murder or suicide and neither would be really that hard.  They were always around us and they aren't going anywhere.  And they will look for the next option and the one after that.  And somebody smarter and less douchey than Trump is going to codify them into something far more ugly than what we see now.  Because they're not elite, straight ballot voters protecting their wallets and they're not the idiot MAGA folks we see on TV with flags and verb conjugation problems.  They are the people we live next door to and work next to and the parents of our kid's friends.  Those are the people you need to establish a regime.  They have some modicum of success of comfort.  When you can convince them that despite their reservations, supporting stupidity and evil.  Well, the rest is easy.  

[SydneyCarton 48,106]

6 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Honestly, at least personally, I've thought about the fact that I occasionally talk to my parents and see them every few months. Fox News talks to them for literally hours every day. How you going to overcome that?

You tell them that it is poisoning your relationship with them, and at this point you're not all that interested in having one? Challenge them to listen to MSNBC or even CNN for one month instead of Fox News, if their relationship with you means anything?

6 minutes ago, hookem2010 said:

The thought has crossed my mind. They have at least wised up enough to not verbalize the stupid shit I was hearing from them from 2016-2020.

So they're aware. Pull the shades back completely. 

5 minutes ago, Captainant said:

That could certainly be their leopard eating their face. It's like they think everyone is just bullshitting and doesn't actually believe the thing they're saying, just like the leopard eating faces voter doesn't actually believe most of the shit they see and hear. But they've got faith, and that's always been what they follow. So they'll keep listening to their blind faith over the cold reality, simply because the cold reality makes them sad

Maybe I'm just a cold prick, who doesn't have much issue cutting people from my life. WHo konws?

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20 minutes ago, Red Five said:

“I hate politics and I hate all politicians and I always vote Republican 100% of the time.”

Know a few of these.

It's such a fucking bailout too. These fucks know they are supporting some bullshit but still do it because tax cuts or woke or whatever the fuck scare porn has been playing on FNC recently.

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2 hours ago, YGIFS said:

About 1/3 of the adult population votes for Donald Trump.  About 1/3 of the adult population sits out elections.  And of the 74 million voters for Trump, we see that about 1/3 are just straight R-ballot clickers/Chamber of Commerce/country club Republicans.  Call 'em whatever you want, but they've always voted this way and they will continue to vote that way.  I know y'all think they're idiots, but most of 'em are decent folks who just pull that lever no matter what since Goldwater.  1/3 of his voters came out of the woodwork, that's how he won.  They finally felt validated and got a seat at the big kid's table of political engagement.  They'll fade back into obscurity after he's defeated and/or dies (despite a few mass shootings).  It's the middle 1/3 that puzzles me.  The folks that are civically engaged and vote, know what Trump is up to and all about, and still vote for him anyway.  That's the 1/3rd you have to worry about. 

So, see....here's my solution to your conundrum.  Hate them all.  Don't wonder about them.  Don't pity them.  HATE THEM.  Because lemme tell ya, if I was a jew in 1930s Germany, I wouldn't "wonder about the decent folks who support National Socialism just because they don't know any better," or be puzzled by the "folks who are civically engaged, but support the Nazis anyway."  I would hate them.  I would oppose them at every turn, in every way.  They are an existential threat to me and my country (yes, my country -- fascism ends with Berlin in ruins, you fucking idiots).  So.....HATE THEM.

1 hour ago, SydneyCarton said:

I don't disagree with anything you're saying, but the whole notion of "Oh, it's the responsibility of this slice of people while being dismissive of the other 2 slices" I find to be complete bullshit. They all fucking vote the same. They're all responsible. And as shitty as it is, ALL of us are responsible becuase we sat aside and let morality get beaten by greed over the last 50 years, and let money into news reporting, dark money into politics, let our public education get gutted, and let wealth distribution, or lack therof, ensure there's a massive feeling of discontent all throughout America, and a huge chunk of which are too fucking stupid to even remotely get close to recognizing the culprits. 

And this.  They are all responsible for how they vote.  And WE are all responsible for letting it come to this....and we're also responsible for doing everything we can to fight them.  And I mean FIGHT THEM.  This is beyond mere politics.  They openly support an authoritarian takeover of this country, which means pulling up the ladder of democracy behind them (that is, we won't be able to fix it politically later, because there will be no available political solution).  They openly support violence as a means to asserting their power, fuck voting and democracy.  Seriously, check out the polling that came out today -- that is EXACTLY how a sizeable chunk of GQP voters think.  They want a fascist dictator, and they are willing to obtain that result by violent action.  They are fucking traitors and terrorists.  TREAT THEM LIKE WHAT THEY FUCKING ARE.  AND HATE THEM.  HATE THEM WITH EVERYTHING YOU HAVE, THEN BORROW MORE HATE SO YOU CAN HATE THEM EVEN MORE.  OVERWHELM THEM WITH HATRED.  OSTRACIZE THEM.  RUIN THEIR LIVES, THEIR LIVELIHOODS.  CUT THEM OFF FROM THEIR FAMILY (EVEN AND ESPECIALLY IF IT'S YOUR FAMILY).  DRIVE THEM TO RUIN AND AN EARLY GRAVE.  You would do it if they were muslim islamofasicst terrorists.  These people are fucking worse than that, because they are betraying their own country.

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2 hours ago, YGIFS said:

At an early age, I absorbed and followed the Pareto Principle.  The 80/20 rule.  It explained so much to me that was all around me.  

But I follow a different path nowadays.  Thirds.  About 1/3 of the adult population votes for Donald Trump.  About 1/3 of the adult population sits out elections.  And of the 74 million voters for Trump, we see that about 1/3 are just straight R-ballot clickers/Chamber of Commerce/country club Republicans.  Call 'em whatever you want, but they've always voted this way and they will continue to vote that way.  I know y'all think they're idiots, but most of 'em are decent folks who just pull that lever no matter what since Goldwater.  1/3 of his voters came out of the woodwork, that's how he won.  They finally felt validated and got a seat at the big kid's table of political engagement.  They'll fade back into obscurity after he's defeated and/or dies (despite a few mass shootings).  It's the middle 1/3 that puzzles me.  The folks that are civically engaged and vote, know what Trump is up to and all about, and still vote for him anyway.  That's the 1/3rd you have to worry about.  Most of them are fairly educated and people of faith, so how do they come to terms with their adoration of this man?  That's the thing we still don't understand after a decade.  Mike Johnson and Donald Trump and their ilk, they get 1/3rd straight ticket voters.  No point in over-analyzing it, just always gonna happen.  They get 1/3rd racist morons that feel their twisted value set is just kosher.  Was bound to happen as things change, and most of them will go away.  But that middle 1/3rd, what is their rationale?  They're not the morons you think they are, they had to justify in their heads.  And it was more than just owning the Libs.  And the fact that we simply do not understand, despite the research, how they came to these electoral conclusions worries me more than who they voted for.  What else are they capable/incapable of?  What happens next?  

From a voter perspective, I think Trump has some people that always will vote R like you describe, but I think he's also galvanized a loose confederation of people unhappy with the way things are or the way they are going.  These voters are the citizens of rural areas clinging to a dying way of life.  The small business owner who is struggling to make it against the Walmarts and Amazons.  The Christian who views any abortion as murder.  The dumbfuck fan of wrasslin' who never voted before 2016 until he was labeled a deplorable.  The conservative parent appalled when their kid comes home from school one day and says I'm gay.  And yeah, the wealthy who want their tax cuts above all else as wells as the hardcore racists who want to see white power preserved, white nationalists who want to see immigrants shot, incels who think women exist to serve their man, etc...

He has managed to get all those disparate and seemingly incompatible people to act together politically.  But they are not natural allies.  They are allies of desperation united behind a fucking moron awful human being.  I won't call him a moron, because he undeniably has a gift for spearheading a populist movement that should not be underestimated.

I think the biggest failing of Trump's opposition to date is that they have not found a way to drive wedges between those disparate groups of unnatural allies.

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9 hours ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Honestly, at least personally, I've thought about the fact that I occasionally talk to my parents and see them every few months. Fox News talks to them for literally hours every day. How you going to overcome that?

How do you overcome that?

You tell them that no matter how many hours a day they watch Fox News, no matter how they vote or how often they vote, nothing they do matters because the election will go the way that George Soros wants it to go.

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10 hours ago, YGIFS said:

Most of them are fairly educated and people of faith, so how do they come to terms with their adoration of this man?  That's the thing we still don't understand after a decade.  

They don't come to terms with it.  They have many views that are in direct contradiction with each other but they don't take the time to think about it.  I have no idea how they live this way, but the same people who thought COVID was no big deal also think that vaccinated people will shed the virus on to them, giving them COVID.  Which should be no big deal (because COVID is no big deal, right?), but it's somehow a huge deal?

Lots of examples like this.  

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9 hours ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Honestly, at least personally, I've thought about the fact that I occasionally talk to my parents and see them every few months. Fox News talks to them for literally hours every day. How you going to overcome that?

You can also take every crackpot Republican thing that comes out, whether Qanon or whatever Trump is spouting, and throw it at them and say "this is who your friends and family think you are, because you are associating with these people and supporting these politicians."

 

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1 minute ago, atomheartbevo said:

You can also take every crackpot Republican thing that comes out, whether Qanon or whatever Trump is spouting, and throw it at them and say "this is who your friends and family think you are, because you are associating with these people and supporting these politicians."

 

How’s that worked for you, not including your mentally ill relation?

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10 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

They don't come to terms with it.  They have many views that are in direct contradiction with each other but they don't take the time to think about it.  I have no idea how they live this way, but the same people who thought COVID was no big deal also think that vaccinated people will shed the virus on to them, giving them COVID.  Which should be no big deal (because COVID is no big deal, right?), but it's somehow a huge deal?

My qanon in-law tried to tell us COVID was fake, but she was fucking terrified that because most of the family was vaccinated, that we'd shed our COVID proteins on her.  She also would not do laundry unless she runs a few empty loads with bleach through the washing machine first, because COVID proteins.

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I've found only two things I find effective.

1.  Simply ask them, "What if you are wrong?"  and leave it at that, don't say anything else at all, walk away from it.  (sometimes something that simple is what can shake a person's foundations (not very often though)).  

2.  Ignore them all together, which is my main go to.  I go out of my way not to do business with anyone like this, and I go out of my way not to socialize with any of these people.  

When it comes to lost family, I have no idea what to tell you other than sorry, and know you certainly aren't alone. 

Your results may vary.  

 

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17 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

How’s that worked for you, not including your mentally ill relation?

Technically I won't know until after the election, when I check some of voting records (at least the ones I have the right info for, depending on the state). I may not be able to see if they voted for Trump, but whether they voted or not will be telling in and of itself.

None of them seem keen on flying Trump flags or putting Trump 2024 bumper stickers on their cars, but that maybe just general embarrassment over being Trump supporters.

In family group chats either on phone or social media, when challenged on stuff (stolen election, etc.) they tend to change the topic or just not answer - 3-4 years ago, they would have gotten angry and pushed back hard.  Maybe they are tired of defending stupid shit, but I have a feeling they do know on some level that Trump is not who they believe him to be.

Two things I do: If they bring up stolen elections, I ask them why Trump won't release the proof after nearly 4 years, and if they get into immigrant shit, I tell them to say the same stuff in front of the Hispanic members of the family.  That shuts them up.

Edited April 4 by atomheartbevo

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2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

if they get into immigrant shit, I tell them to say the same stuff in front of the Hispanic members of the family.  That shuts them up

I don’t have this luxury

[Superhero 8,830]

2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

How do you overcome that?

Have the dispatcher send this guy. He’s the expert. He can fix, or unfix the kabel.

[StassneyHorn 6,575]

14 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

I don’t have this luxury

Ask them why Abbott goes on Fox News and incentivizes illegals with free plane rides and bus fares? He calls them invaders but he helps them

[Scheiss Meister 8,407]

Also ask them why Abbott is abetting  the "invaders" by helping them get to their objectives.  And why we're paying to get them to their objectives.

[WhatTheBuck 28,781]

13 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

How’s that worked for you, not including your mentally ill relation?

I’ve told my mom that “when you’re on the same side as klansmen and neo-Nazis, you’re on the wrong side.” It didn’t move the needle.

She was, however very much bothered by a story she’d heard about Joe Biden boasting that he graduated in the top half of his class when he actually didn’t. That was serious business.

I hadn’t heard about that one so I googled it. Lo and behold it was a story from 1987 that Fox News dug up and no doubt repeated to her over and over again every night during prime time for a week or more.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/vintage-biden-clip-resurfaces-law-school

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23 hours ago, dcbc said:

At this point, I've resigned myself to the fact that nearly all of his supporters who haven't seen the light simply are lost.  There is no reasonable discussion to be had.  When it comes to a couple of my family members, smart though they may otherwise appear, the best we can do is the detente of not talking about politics at all.

This realization is genuinely depressing. When facts, good faith argument, and, now, the obvious, no longer carry any weight with a large part of the electorate, what am I left with? What are we left with?

It's all just another version of the NFL to them. I pull for my team because the players wear the uniform to which I have allegiance.

Period.

[Red Five 40,858]

9 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

I’ve told my mom that “when you’re on the same side as klansmen and neo-Nazis, you’re on the wrong side.” It didn’t move the needle.

She was, however very much bothered by a story she’d heard about Joe Biden boasting that he graduated in the top half of his class when he actually didn’t. That was serious business.

I hadn’t heard about that one so I googled it. Lo and behold it was a story from 1987 that Fox News dug up and no doubt repeated to her over and over again every night during prime time for a week or more.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/vintage-biden-clip-resurfaces-law-school

I wonder if we looked hard enough, if we could find an example of Trump telling a lie. Damn, probably not. 

[WhatTheBuck 28,781]

11 hours ago, StassneyHorn said:

Ask them why Abbott goes on Fox News and incentivizes illegals with free plane rides and bus fares? He calls them invaders but he helps them

Republicans are on tv constantly advertising to the world that we have open borders. They know exactly what they’re doing. 

[WhatTheBuck 28,781]

2 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

It's all just another version of the NFL to them. I pull for my team because the players wear the uniform to which I have allegiance.

Period.

That’s it. I’ve tried explaining this to my mom too. She doesn’t seem to realize how “her party” has evolved from Eisenhower to Nixon to Reagan, Bush, and now Trump. I’ve told her that if she always votes Republican no matter what they stand for then she has no standards or values or fixed principles of any kind. She’s just a sports fan with a favorite team.

I’ve also told her she’d vote for Lucifer himself as long as he had an “R” next to his name on the ballot. 

[WhatTheBuck 28,781]

10 minutes ago, Red Five said:

I wonder if we looked hard enough, if we could find an example of Trump telling a lie. Damn, probably not. 

Especially when it comes to boasting about his own intelligence. 

[Red Five 40,858]

9 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

I’ve also told her she’d vote for Lucifer himself as long as he had an “R” next to his name on the ballot. 

I used to say this sarcastically about the super duper religious conservatives I knew. I don't say it sarcastically anymore. 100%. 

"Look, I don't agree with everything the lord of darkness does, and I'm not in favor of the whole 'imprisonment and torture of the human race' thing. But I paid a little more for eggs last week, and....."

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41 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

I’ve told my mom that “when you’re on the same side as klansmen and neo-Nazis, you’re on the wrong side.” It didn’t move the needle.

She was, however very much bothered by a story she’d heard about Joe Biden boasting that he graduated in the top half of his class when he actually didn’t. That was serious business.

I hadn’t heard about that one so I googled it. Lo and behold it was a story from 1987 that Fox News dug up and no doubt repeated to her over and over again every night during prime time for a week or more.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/vintage-biden-clip-resurfaces-law-school

But, it’s cool to call Biden out cause trump has never made bullshit claims

[WhatTheBuck 28,781]

34 minutes ago, GenXer said:

But, it’s cool to call Biden out cause trump has never made bullshit claims

The double-standards and hypocrisy are mind-bottling. 

[RomaVicta 29,907]

1 hour ago, Red Five said:

I used to say this sarcastically about the super duper religious conservatives I knew. I don't say it sarcastically anymore. 100%. 

"Look, I don't agree with everything the lord of darkness does, and I'm not in favor of the whole 'imprisonment and torture of the human race' thing. But I paid a little more for eggs last week, and....."

When, in fact, they've only been told they paid more for eggs last week.

Sorta like that greatest economy evah we had four years ago.

[Chewbacca 7,777]

12 hours ago, Scheiss Meister said:

Also ask them why Abbott is abetting  the "invaders" by helping them get to their objectives.  And why we're paying to get them to their objectives.

That's to own the libs, silly.  Punish the sanctuary cities.  They have zero issues with this, I guarantee you.

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Apparently if Johnson gets a vote on Ukraine funding, Marjorie is going to try and take him out.  Erin has audio of Greene floating conspiracy theories that Johnson is being blackmailed.

Ken Buck is calling her Moscow Marjorie.

 

Edited April 9 by atomheartbevo

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I’m assuming Johnson is trying to figure out if Democrats will support him if she tries to take him down.  Could happen as soon as this week.

Edited April 9 by atomheartbevo

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“Moscow Marjorie”

[NWBuck 8,565]

3 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

“Moscow Marjorie”

Moosecow. 

Explains the hooves. 

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Seems like a pretty clean horse trade- Ukraine aid vote, that passes, and they vote for him in the recall vote. 
 

now, what kind of power does he retain if everyone knows that he’s only still speaker because of the democrats?

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https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/09/politics/marjorie-taylor-greene-johnson-ouster-threat/index.html

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GOP Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia issued a searing indictment of House Speaker Mike Johnson’s leadership in a new letter sent to her Republican colleagues on Tuesday, according to a copy shared with CNN, in a significant escalation of her rhetoric as she tries to build support for potentially ousting Johnson.

While Greene does not indicate if or when she plans to force a floor vote on Johnson’s removal, the scathing rebuke marks her first direct pitch to the House GOP conference to join her push and indicates she is not backing down from her threat as lawmakers return to Washington following a two-week recess.

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For his part, Johnson has tried to downplay the threat and attempted to ease tensions. “I respect Marjorie. She will always have an open door to the speaker’s office. We do have honest differences on strategy sometimes but share the same conservative beliefs,” the Louisiana Republican told CNN in a statement last week.

While the pair had said they would connect last week, it did not happen, a source familiar told CNN. CNN has reached out to Johnson’s office for comment.

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In the letter, Greene laid out a detailed case against the speaker, accusing Johnson of failing to deliver on promises he ran on and breaking legislative procedural rules. She even blamed him for jeopardizing the House Republican majority by not doing more to prevent some retiring GOP members from leaving Congress early.

“Mike Johnson has unfortunately not lived up to a single one of his self-imposed tenets,” Greene wrote. “He is throwing our own razor-thin majority into chaos by not serving his own GOP conference that elected him,” she added.

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In a sharp warning, Greene also claimed she would “not tolerate” Johnson’s expected upcoming push to provide more aid to Ukraine, something he had voted against before he became speaker, and push for reauthorization of a law that permits warrantless surveillance of foreign nationals.

Greene ticked through a number of grievances she has with the Louisiana Republican and argued that Johnson has hurt the chances of Republicans holding onto the House majority in November.

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“This has been a complete and total surrender to, if not complete and total lockstep with, the Democrats’ agenda that has angered our Republican base so much and given them very little reason to vote for a Republican House majority” Greene wrote. “As a matter of fact, if we win the House this fall, it will only be because President Trump is on the ballot, not because we have earned it.”

As is stands, Greene’s motion to oust Johnson remains a symbolic threat as the clock to force an actual vote has not been started. Shortly after she filed the motion, Greene was swarmed by her colleagues who want to avoid another dysfunctional process that created a leadership vacuum last year and brought House floor action to a standstill for weeks.

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Part of the argument to try and dissuade Greene from moving forward with the process, according to sources, is that ousting Johnson would only deliver Democrats the House majority. Greene dismissed that argument in her letter to her colleagues on Tuesday.

“And no, electing a new Republican Speaker will not give the majority to the Democrats. That only happens if more Republicans retire early, or Republicans actually vote for Hakeem Jeffries. It’s not complicated, it’s simple math” she wrote.

“It’s simple math”

- Marjorie Taylor Greene

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[High Plains Drifter 11,049]

On 4/3/2024 at 8:49 AM, SydneyCarton said:

My step father tried to tell me how much he likes Hailey, and he balked when I said she was a piece of shit. He hates MAGA, but he still completely shut down, and he still says "Biden is senile" with no basis. Have you considered flat out saying to your parents "I have a hard time exposing my son to you, when your beliefs and viewpoints directly jeapardize the future life and freedoms of my son, your grandson." Maybe that will snap them out of it?

 

The closest I've came to this was probably five or six years ago, at Thanksgiving, I finally told my mother that we (me, wife, 8-ish year old daughter) were going to leave if she didn't turn Fox News off. 

She turned it off.

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On 4/2/2024 at 4:31 PM, Red Five said:

Hand to hand combat with cops for hours. 

Cops/secret service guys called their loved ones to say goodbye because they didn't know if they would make it through the day alive.

And we’ve done fuck all to prevent it from happening again because there’s no law that says you can’t incite an insurrection if your rich and white enough.

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And we’ve done fuck all to prevent it from happening again because there’s no law that says you can’t incite an insurrection if your rich and white enough.

But there is a law. USC .50 cal. We just didn’t invoke it on Jan 6. We should have. Till we ran out of “law.”

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On 4/4/2024 at 8:48 AM, Red Five said:

I wonder if we looked hard enough, if we could find an example of Trump telling a lie. Damn, probably not. 

Not on Fox News you won’t. 

[TexasEd 8,067]

On 4/10/2024 at 7:13 PM, atomheartbevo said:

 

Dems should start negotiating with the moderate wing of Republican party to remove Johnson and replace him with a Republican Moderate, hell, they only need <5 Republicans to pull it off.

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50 minutes ago, TexasEd said:

Dems should start negotiating with the moderate wing of Republican party to remove Johnson and replace him with a Republican Moderate, hell, they only need <5 Republicans to pull it off.

No--fuck that.  It's not the minority party's job to help the majority party govern.

Johnson is a perfect speaker for the Democrats to campaign against.  He's heinous and despicable, but he's also incompetent.  Apart from somehow getting Hakeem Jeffries as speaker, Johnson is the best the Democrats can do.

[TexasEd 8,067]

4 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

No--fuck that.  It's not the minority party's job to help the majority party govern.

Johnson is a perfect speaker for the Democrats to campaign against.  He's heinous and despicable, but he's also incompetent.  Apart from somehow getting Hakeem Jeffries as speaker, Johnson is the best the Democrats can do.

Well, except for Ukraine Aid, Baltimore bridge emergency funding, passing a budget, etc.  Maybe I care too much about having a functional government.  Sitting in the passenger seat and watching the driver steer off a cliff is not fun.  Maybe I should crank up some Beastie Boys, crack open a beer and start yelling "Party!"

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8 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

No--fuck that.  It's not the minority party's job to help the majority party govern.

Johnson is a perfect speaker for the Democrats to campaign against.  He's heinous and despicable, but he's also incompetent.  Apart from somehow getting Hakeem Jeffries as speaker, Johnson is the best the Democrats can do.

I think getting Ukraine aid passed is important enough to do it. 

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1 hour ago, TexasEd said:

moderate wing of Republican part

Never heard of it

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1 hour ago, TexasEd said:

Dems should start negotiating with the moderate wing of Republican party to remove Johnson and replace him with a Republican Moderate, hell, they only need <5 Republicans to pull it off.

This idea is dumb and you should feel bad for posting it.

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52 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

I think getting Ukraine aid passed is important enough to do it. 

Ukraine is going to get plenty of weapons whether there is a resolution or not.  No way Lockheed Martin and other big boy defense contractors are going to miss out on those revenues.