the 2023 speaker of the house voting thread of implosion

[South Austin 51976]

One the one hand, this inability to govern and push through some critical foreign aid to Ukraine is fucking frustrating.  On the other hand, the MAGA cannibalism is quite entertaining.

[Gatorubet 30023]

https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/04/17/congress/mccarthy-group-ads-immigration-outside-republicans-00152863

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A political group with ties to former Speaker Kevin McCarthy is going on air against some of the Republicans who ousted him from leadership.

The American Prosperity Alliance, a nonprofit which does not have to disclose its donors, is running an immigration-focused TV ad in several districts, including those held by Reps. Bob Good (R-Va.), Eli Crane (R-Ariz.) and Nancy Mace (R-S.C.), where members deposed McCarthy last year.    

Brian O. Walsh, a longtime McCarthy ally, is a senior adviser to the group. Walsh is spearheading an effort funded by McCarthy allies to defeat the eight House Republicans who joined with Democrats to boot him from the speakership. Some of those members have already announced they plan to retire. Good, Crane and Mace are among the top targets seeking reelection.

One version of the 30-second TV spotfrom the American Prosperity Alliance hits Crane for voting "against funding our border security" and opposing money for border agents, ICE and a border wall. It urges constituents to call their representative to urge him to change course.

Good has a primary challenge from state Sen. John McGuire in his Virginia district. In South Carolina, Mace will go up against Catherine Templeton, a former gubernatorial candidate. And Crane, the lone freshman to vote against McCarthy, will face former Yavapai County Supervisor Jack Smith in Arizona. All three have been elected with significant support from groups that McCarthy helped fund, including the Congressional Leadership Fund and the House GOP campaign arm.

This is likely an opening salvo for McCarthy allies. The seven-figure buy will run in 12 districts total, but only some will see TV advertising and other will get only digital ads. The full list includes seats held by Reps. Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.), Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) and Tim Burchett (R-Tenn.) — all of whom also voted out McCarthy — and Reps. Marcy Kaptur (D-Ohio), Jared Golden (D-Maine), Gabe Vasquez (D-N.M.), Matt Cartwright (D-Pa.), Henry Cuellar (D-Texas) and Marie Gluesenkamp Perez (D-Wash.).

So far in the second half of April, the American Prosperity Alliance has spent nearly $330,000 against Mace, nearly $160,000 against Good, roughly $218,000 against Crane and $150,000 against Kaptur, according to data from AdImpact, a media tracking firm.

 

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[Js1 84995]

I guess that’s why it’s been sitting on his desk for months 

[The Dog 43716]

Narrator: because enough were willing to sign the discharge petition that he had to move it forward (especially after what had transpired over the last several weeks in Ukraine and the attack on Israel by Iran). 

Iran's attack on Israel was likely the last straw. 

Edited April 17 by The Dog

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8 minutes ago, The Dog said:

Narrator: because enough were willing to sign the discharge petition that he had to move it forward (especially after what had transpired over the last several weeks in Ukraine and the attack on Israel by Iran). 

Iran's attack on Israel was likely the last straw. 

Yep, he’s counted votes and been told by the Dems to do it or get his fucking shine box.

[The Dog 43716]

1 minute ago, atomheartbevo said:

Yep, he’s counted votes and been told by the Dems to do it or get his fucking shine box.

actually my read was it was enough Republicans were ready to sign it to bring it up to a vote - so they told him to do it or they'll do it for him. keep in mind there were many Democrats who had yet to sign the discharge petition so there had to be a LOT of Republicans telling him to move this forward. 

 

[The Dog 43716]

 

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If it was actually Mitch, is Mitch trying to see where everybody really stands by having Johnson make them vote on it?  If you get a small number that votes against it, it helps diminish the power of the MTG/Gaetz wing.

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[The Dog 43716]

I don't think Johnson is pushing the foreign aid bill(s) because he's willing to sacrifice himself. If that were the case he would have done it by now. 

Something's changed that he no longer fears losing his position. 

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17 minutes ago, The Dog said:

I don't think Johnson is pushing the foreign aid bill(s) because he's willing to sacrifice himself. If that were the case he would have done it by now. 

Something's changed that he no longer fears losing his position. 

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Fox News went after Marjorie yesterday.

[The Dog 43716]

9 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Fox News went after Marjorie yesterday.

but the thing is that Trump doesn't want anything passed. this is a clear win for Biden getting this thing through (he's already said he'll sign this or the Senate version). 

[SydneyCarton 47809]

31 minutes ago, The Dog said:

I don't think Johnson is pushing the foreign aid bill(s) because he's willing to sacrifice himself. If that were the case he would have done it by now. 

Something's changed that he no longer fears losing his position. 

The thing that's changed is that now he's HAD the position. Why the fuck would he, or anyone, want it?

[The Dog 43716]

1 minute ago, SydneyCarton said:

The thing that's changed is that now he's HAD the position. Why the fuck would he, or anyone, want it?

because it's still one of the most powerful positions in the United States and third in line for the presidency? 

also note that the GOP may be going to change the rules for removal (see Marge's whining). if they do that then he's more secure and more empowered. 

[The Dog 43716]

[YGIFS 19447]

Yeah, Boebert flipped her position on my dick during Beetlejuice.  Dammit, I had something for this.  

I think Johnson just finally got some concessions on some other shit, because even if his Orange God wins and is magically converted to supporting Ukraine---that's 9 months from now and his defense contractor donor base for h and his cohort want this done soon.  and not just because money, because Ukraine has hit a quagmire.  They were doing brilliantly for 20 months but their momentum/morale is slowing down quickly.  

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43 minutes ago, The Dog said:

but the thing is that Trump doesn't want anything passed. this is a clear win for Biden getting this thing through (he's already said he'll sign this or the Senate version). 

Don Trump Jr is publicly supporting Marjorie on Twitter and bashing Johnson, and I question whether Junior would be doing that without daddy’s approval.  What if Johnson thinks that Trump and the House are going to lose bigly in November? Or he’s gotten wind that the Republicans are being harmed by their pro-Republicans stances?

Or that more Republicans will quit and give the House over to the Dems if he does nothing?

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[Huckleberry 32661]

The last one seems likeliest. Everyone in the current GOP is an asshole but some of them have some sanity left and those are the ones resigning and willing to resign. He may have had a big enough group threaten to resign if he didn't support Ukraine funding. 

[SydneyCarton 47809]

12 minutes ago, The Dog said:

So he flipped his opinion on Feb 28th, and we're just now hearing about it 6 weeks later, and after several rejected efforts to bring a Ukraine funding bill to the floor by Johnson. That would make the question more like...why did he block efforts to bring the bill to the floor before now? 

No, it can't be that the numbers for a discharge petition were reach, or that Iran attacked Israel. That would make too much sense. 

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11667]

On 4/17/2024 at 8:48 AM, South Austin said:

On the other hand, the MAGA cannibalism is quite entertaining.

@sheeeit

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5 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

The last one seems likeliest. Everyone in the current GOP is an asshole but some of them have some sanity left and those are the ones resigning and willing to resign. He may have had a big enough group threaten to resign if he didn't support Ukraine funding. 

It seems like the only thing that would outweigh going against Trump’s wishes and Marjorie’s threats. Trump and Three-toes can threaten him, but he still has a shot at holding on to the Speaker’s seat in another vote.  A couple of (R) resignations and there’s no more Republican House Speaker until next January at the earliest.  

[Sbbruin 21690]

37 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

Yeah, Boebert flipped her position on my dick during Beetlejuice.  Dammit, I had something for this.  

I think Johnson just finally got some concessions on some other shit, because even if his Orange God wins and is magically converted to supporting Ukraine---that's 9 months from now and his defense contractor donor base for h and his cohort want this done soon.  and not just because money, because Ukraine has hit a quagmire.  They were doing brilliantly for 20 months but their momentum/morale is slowing down quickly.  

Which means we would have pissed away a lot of money for naught.  

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To be clear, he’s being threatened for even allowing a vote to come to the floor. For allowing the constitutional process to play out as intended by our Founders. That’s a wild thing to consider, especially when his enemies consider themselves “conservative.” They are not conserving the constitutional process our Founders created, that’s for sure. Conserving Putin’s gains on the battlefield, is more like it.

 

[SydneyCarton 47809]

8 minutes ago, The Dog said:

 

[royiv 9124]

8 minutes ago, The Dog said:

 

When Dan Crenshaw is the voice of reason and sanity…

[mdmost 42696]

Well Dan, you see MAGA only cares about the Constitution when it benefits solely them. See them trying to thwart the peaceful transfer of power on January 6. 

[Brisketexan 104228]

And Dan, you’ve been perfectly happy with any number of buttfuckings of the constitution and of the people. Bitching only when an ox you care about gets gored elicits zero sympathy. You happily helped create the monster, shut the fuck up while it consumes you, as it was ALWAYS going to do.

[Horn Dog 9584]

13 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Well Dan, you see.....

[tx 3 putt 75959]

 

[Sbbruin 21690]

3 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

If the Republican Party wants to try to restore some semblance of functionality, they need to oust this bitch a la Santos.  She's such a maroon.

[Francisco 2.0 32290]

1 minute ago, Sbbruin said:

If the Republican Party wants to try to restore some semblance of functionality, they need to oust this bitch a la Santos.  She's such a maroon.

 

Good luck with that.  Unless she's committed fraud on some level, convicted or something...she's gonna be a lifer.

Just wait until a 2nd Trump administration, where she is elevated to Secretary of State or some shit like that.

 

[royiv 9124]

6 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

She is completely intellectually bankrupt. There isn’t an iota of nuance or critical thought rolling around in her brain mush. Everything to her is binary.

[mdmost 42696]

Wait, who is stabbing the American people in their face? The Republican Party?

[locodos 5328]

I thought this was interesting ...  more about Ukraine funding, but he does talk about the dynamics in the house

 

[Js1 84995]

 

[Francisco 2.0 32290]

2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

 

 

Woooo boy:

https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/04/18/congress/hfc-on-alert-00153097

 

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During a Wednesday meeting with the speaker and the Republican Main Street group, members of that more establishment-minded bloc pitched Johnson on two changes, according to two other Republicans familiar with the matter. The first would remove Reps. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.), Chip Roy (R-Texas) and Ralph Norman (R-S.C.) from the Rules panel — ending an effective conservative stranglehold on the pivotal panel that preps bills for floor debate. 

“There were a number of members who told him that he should not allow malcontents to serve on the Rules Committee,” Main Street Chair Dusty Johnson (R-S.D.) told POLITICO afterwards.

 

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The second proposed change by Main Street members was to raise the threshold required for majority-party members to force a vote on ousting a speaker from its current number of one. Members of that group argued that McCarthy’s offers to the right — giveaways that ultimately helped end his term as speaker — are handcuffing Johnson.

Notably, Main Street members did not specifically propose that Johnson make those changes as part of debate on the foreign aid bill — but just urged to move as quickly as possible. Even so, the very idea infuriated conservatives, who vowed it would backfire if Johnson pursued them.

 

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“Talking about changing the threshold to the motion to vacate [the speakership] is likely to induce the motion to vacate,” said Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.).

Gaetz, who is not a Freedom Caucus member, later joined several members of the group in a heated floor exchange with the speaker, during which the Floridian said “we did not get the answer that we wanted" about the changes Johnson might entertain.

Greene put it more bluntly: "Mike Johnson owes our entire conference a meeting. And if he wants to change the motion to vacate he needs to come before the Republican Conference that elected him and tell us of his intentions and tell us what this rule change … is going to be.”

 

[The Dog 43716]

[SydneyCarton 47809]

Someone can explaint to me what having some clown on the floor "guard" against unsavory bills means. What are they, tackling people who want to call legislation to vote?

That being said, this would be funny and hilarious if the end result likely wasn't further delays on Ukraine funding, and other things.

When the Russians buy these guys, they really stay bought. 

[Upgrayedd 5798]

44 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:

She's such a maroon.

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[The Dog 43716]

 

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20334]

SIAP. It's hard to keep up.

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

SIAP. It's hard to keep up.

 It’s fucking insane with everything that is happening with the House today.  Three Toes will be filing a motion to vacate tomorrow, no doubt about it, and sounds like Gaetz and a few others will back her.

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20334]

I'm sure the Floor Action Response Team will not just be silent, but deadly.

[SydneyCarton 47809]

1 minute ago, atomheartbevo said:

 It’s fucking insane with everything that is happening with the House today.  Three Toes will be filing a motion to vacate tomorrow, no doubt about it, and sounds like Gaetz and a few others will back her.

Massie, obviously, and if you want yet another prism with which to understand just how fucked up the GOP is, 8 years ago Massie was a fucking lunatic nutter in his party, and now he's a guy that has a completely undeserved veneer of respectability. It's like waking up one day in the future and seeing that Paul Gossar is a moderate. 

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2 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

When the Russians buy these guys, they really stay bought. 

A few decades ago, they’d at least have some dignity and try to hide that fact, but now they parade it around.

4 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Massie, obviously, and if you want yet another prism with which to understand just how fucked up the GOP is, 8 years ago Massie was a fucking lunatic nutter in his party, and now he's a guy that has a completely undeserved veneer of respectability. It's like waking up one day in the future and seeing that Paul Gossar is a moderate. 

Or making Dan Crenshaw look like a moderate

 

[Js1 84995]

Still keeping an eye on you, Dan 

[TeeDubya 3358]

1 hour ago, Js1 said:

Still keeping an eye on you, Dan 

A star pupil.

[TexasEd 8058]

9 hours ago, Js1 said:

 

With a name like Beavers you'd think she'd promote an Acronym that spells QUEEF

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We taking bets on what time she files the motion to vacate?

Massie wants attention

 

Edited April 19 by atomheartbevo