the 2023 speaker of the house voting thread of implosion

[Zonahorn 8079]

6 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Mike Johnson is a total weasel and will always try to have it both ways. 

He is very popular among the SECrant crowd. Tells me what I need to know

[Pods 7522]

1 minute ago, bolverk said:

It's only a fucking team sport to them, built from years of social indoctrination, lack of civic education/engagement, and the comfort of privilege. Maybe an extended government shutdown would be good in the long-term as people might, perhaps, maybe grock that a little government ain't such a bad thing.

This is a great analogy that I'm going to continue a bit further.

This has exclusively become a team sport for many Republican voters and there is nothing that splits a fanbase like a quarterback controversy.

That's what the Republicans have on their hands, with no viable QB on the roster, or available in the draft/free agency/portal. 

Some of you are asking the Democrats to send their own QB coach over to tutor the Republican disaster. No one would, or should do this. 

If the + Biden district reps want a functional team and QB, they have free agency/the portal sitting right there available to them.

They can switch teams and get to work, or get ready for retirement in 2024. 

[Bullneck 18976]

17 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Not sure I agree with your police work there Bull. 

A little birdy told me so.

Spoiler

 

 

Edited October 25, 2023 by Bullneck

[TexasHooch 5117]

44 minutes ago, Pods said:

Both sides is a loaded term, because it's always a bullshit copout that obfuscates the actual problem and dissuades us from attempting to fix the actual problem.

Our massive deficits are because the Republican solution to everything for over 40 years has been to cut taxes on corporations and the ultra-wealthy, while exploding spending using their 2 Santas philosophy.

https://www.salon.com/2018/02/12/thom-hartmann-how-the-gop-used-a-two-santa-clauses-tactic-to-con-america-for-nearly-40-years_partner/

Republicans have spent 4 decades intentionally, and systematically, underfunding the government and not paying for the huge amounts of spending THEY have authorized. It's blatant dishonesty and and shameless politics.

We only hear Republicans cry about spending when the President is a Democrat. Our deficits under Republicans explode, while the deficits contract under Democratic presidents. 

Both Sides

[Zonahorn 8079]

 

[Lurch 5919]

https://www.threads.net/@wsaletan/post/CyzPKc4Mo3c/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

[Captain Ron 12789]

1 minute ago, Lurch said:

https://www.threads.net/@wsaletan/post/CyzPKc4Mo3c/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

13 minutes ago, Zonahorn said:

He is very popular among the SECrant crowd. Tells me what I need to know

He’s my congressman, I’ve met him multiple times.  He’s a “christian conservative” that loves to talk about how his faith shapes his policy positions.  He’s very slick under questioning too.  

He’s along for the ride with Trumpism and not a crazy conspiracy theory guy like Gosar, Gohmert, or Jordan. 

[Snake Diggity 4614]

MAGA supporters have to be shown where the MAGA agenda leads.  They have to be forced to see that it’s not just poors and browns who benefit from a functioning government.

The Dems may be tempted to massively compromise to avoid the suffering that will result from the GOP implosion, but it’s absolutely necessary.

I cannot believe the seemingly otherwise sane Republicans in congress have not been able to find a way to save the party from traitorous extremism, but it’s clear they cannot.  The only way out is to show the rubes that the emperor has no clothes.

[Gil Bang 25865]

10 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

He’s my congressman, I’ve met him multiple times.  He’s a “christian conservative” that loves to talk about how his faith shapes his policy positions.  He’s very slick under questioning too.  

He’s along for the ride with Trumpism and not a crazy conspiracy theory guy like Gosar, Gohmert, or Jordan. 

A "Christian" that supports an adultering, lying, vulgar POS?

Sure Jan.

[Francisco 2.0 32290]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/live-blog/house-republicans-choose-new-speaker-nominee-live-updates-rcna121674#rcrd22879

 

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Amid the impasse, McCarthy is floating a plan that would reinstall him as speaker and make Jordan, a conservative Trump ally, the assistant speaker, according to three sources familiar with McCarthy’s pitch.

Asked why the idea — which lacks key details, like how it would be enacted and whether it could even gain enough traction to happen — was being floated now, a GOP lawmaker replied: “We’re desperate.”

 

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While the idea might seem far-fetched and it has not been pitched broadly within the GOP Conference, it is being discussed among some Republicans after Emmer, the third GOP nominee, dropped his bid. A source briefed on the idea likened it to the Speaker Nancy Pelosi/Assistant Speaker Katherine Clark arrangement that the Democrats had.

“Kevin speaker, Jordan assistant speaker,” the source said.

 

 

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Two GOP lawmakers described McCarthy as having melted down in conference meetings today because, they said, he is losing his ability to handpick a new speaker. He had two “outbursts” behind closed doors today, the sources say, that were about his objections to quickly moving to a nominating vote for Rep. Mike Johnson, R-La., the runner-up to Emmer, the lawmakers said.

“This isn’t how you elect a speaker!” McCarthy said in the room, a lawmaker said.

 

[Zonahorn 8079]

12 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

He’s my congressman, I’ve met him multiple times.  He’s a “christian conservative” that loves to talk about how his faith shapes his policy positions.  He’s very slick under questioning too.  

He’s along for the ride with Trumpism and not a crazy conspiracy theory guy like Gosar, Gohmert, or Jordan. 

Hearing somebody say, “I’m a man/women of faith and it guides me” is always a giant red flag

[Pods 7522]

14 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

The Dems may be tempted to massively compromise to avoid the suffering that will result from the GOP implosion, but it’s absolutely necessary.

This is the crux of the problem.

The GQP is determined to crash the car in the ditch. We're sitting in the back, with the establishment GOP in the passenger seat pretending like they are driving.

Unless the establishment GOP grabs the wheel away, something they have been unwilling to do, the GQP is going to put the car in the ditch. 

Democrats didn't create the problem and Democrats cannot do anything about it until at least 5 people flip, or the next election, whichever comes first. 

The only thing the Dems can do is fasten our seat belts, brace ourselves for impact, and try to warn people from getting in the car with lunatics in the future. 

Edited October 25, 2023 by Pods

[Horndog 2216]

9 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

A "Christian" that supports an adultering, lying, vulgar POS?

Sure Jan.

Chino. Christian in name only. 

[Michael Knight 12863]

Emmer lasted about 0.015 Scaramucchi's

[Zonahorn 8079]

 

[Pods 7522]

22 minutes ago, Zonahorn said:

Hearing somebody say, “I’m a man/women of faith and it guides me” is always a giant red flag

Agreed. Same as the assholes that put a cross/fish on every sign and business card, while making sure to pull the cross out of their shirt so it's prominently visible. 

If you have to do this, it's because your actions clearly stamp you as a shitbag. 

 

 

 

Edited October 25, 2023 by Pods

[Biff Tannen 45477]

Aren’t they sick of wasting their own time at this point?

[Zonahorn 8079]

 

 

[Dbeasy 14953]

1 hour ago, bolverk said:

 

This cannot be overemphasized. Most of us here are from Texas and know multiple otherwise okay people who only vote the way they do because they've been led to believe R=good and D=bad. End of any thought process. I suspect our friend, Dbeasy, is a victim of this kind of Pavlovian response. Something bad happened? Blame. The. Democrats. 

A majority of Texans don't pay attention to shit (if they notice something, they'll reflexively click the remote to FOX), don't understand shit about fuck, and don't think things through. Hell, the majority of adult Texans don't even fucking vote.

It's only a fucking team sport to them, built from years of social indoctrination, lack of civic education/engagement, and the comfort of privilege. Maybe an extended government shutdown would be good in the long-term as people might, perhaps, maybe grock that a little government ain't such a bad thing.

Right now, it's just another teevee show to them.

Hey go fuck yourself. Nothing I said was blaming democrats. I simply pointed out that the Democrats may be making a tactical error, losing an opportunity to advance their agenda. That’s not blaming them. It’s criticism. 

[Zonahorn 8079]

3 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

Hey go fuck yourself. Nothing I said was blaming democrats. I simply pointed out that the Democrats may be making a tactical error, losing an opportunity to advance their agenda. That’s not blaming them. It’s criticism. 

The GQP has offered nothing to Democrats. There is nothing to negotiate or be bipartisan over.

[Biff Tannen 45477]

1 minute ago, Zonahorn said:

The GQP has offered nothing to Democrats. There is nothing to negotiate or be bipartisan over.

More relevant as of late, the Rs can’t even get someone to the floor to vote on. Literally nothing the Dems can do, even if they wanted to. 

[Michael Knight 12863]

6 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

Hey go fuck yourself. Nothing I said was blaming democrats. I simply pointed out that the Democrats may be making a tactical error, losing an opportunity to advance their agenda. That’s not blaming them. It’s criticism. 

"never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake"

abraham lincoln

[hornmpa96 2598]

Have they been offered anything? 
 

I haven’t heard any of the moderate Rs actually make an offer to get some help from the Ds to elect a speaker. 
 

This is all McCarthy’s fault. He is an extremely weak individual who has been enabling the zealots in the far R ever since he got to Washington. He had an opportunity to effectively neuter them at the beginning of this Congress by agreeing to some sort of coalition/power-sharing arrangement. 
 

There are at least 5 members of the R caucus who will vote against anything reasonable/rational which meant he would always need D votes to pass any government funding bills or debt ceiling bills.

There is no reason for the Ds to help them at this point. At some point the damage will be enough that either the Rs get to 217 on their own or a speaker will be chosen with D votes/abstentions which means the Ds need to get something for that.

[Zonahorn 8079]

These are brutal. 31 votes for a candidate not actually running for the nomination, and an additional 16 not voting. The GQP is fucked

EDIT; Make that an additional 20 not voting. 

Edited October 25, 2023 by Zonahorn

[YGIFS 19449]

I thought he said every dildo vote is a floor dildo vote if you're brave enough.  

Wait, maybe that was Frank Stallone, author of the 14th and 37th amendments

[Dbeasy 14953]

3 minutes ago, Zonahorn said:

The GQP has offered nothing to Democrats. There is nothing to negotiate or be bipartisan over.

As I said earlier you don’t know that. Nor do I. The only thing we know is that no cooperation has occurred.

If it’s true that all of the Republicans are refusing to do anything, then of course the Democrats aren’t making a mistake.  

But if the republicans aren’t offering anything at all, why not point that out to the American people. Get public opinion on your side.

And as far as what to get, I’m suggesting that maybe supporting Emmer or a more moderate Republican might be enough at this point.  

[Horn Dog 9644]

54 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

A "Christian" that supports an adultering, lying, vulgar POS?

Sure Jan.

[hookem2010 2594]

46 minutes ago, Michael Knight said:

Emmer lasted about 0.015 Scaramucchi's

Did he even last long enough to get a head of lettuce to compete with?

[Zonahorn 8079]

8 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

As I said earlier you don’t know that. Nor do I. The only thing we know is that no cooperation has occurred.

If it’s true that all of the Republicans are refusing to do anything, then of course the Democrats aren’t making a mistake.  

But if the republicans aren’t offering anything at all, why not point that out to the American people. Get public opinion on your side.

And as far as what to get, I’m suggesting that maybe supporting Emmer or a more moderate Republican might be enough at this point.  

When I tell you the Republicans aren’t offering anything, I mean they aren’t offering anything. Dude, Emmer didn’t even get a floor vote.

Edited October 25, 2023 by Zonahorn
Forgot a word

[Js1 85056]

1 minute ago, Zonahorn said:

But if the republicans aren’t offering anything at all, why not point that out to the American people. Get public opinion on your side.

 

Because the public is fucking dumb, dude 

[Captain Ron 12789]

6 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

As I said earlier you don’t know that. Nor do I. The only thing we know is that no cooperation has occurred.

If it’s true that all of the Republicans are refusing to do anything, then of course the Democrats aren’t making a mistake.  

But if the republicans aren’t offering anything at all, why not point that out to the American people. Get public opinion on your side.

And as far as what to get, I’m suggesting that maybe supporting Emmer or a more moderate Republican might be enough at this point.  

 

Any negotiation doesn't even matter really. In the end, Republicans can't get anything out of their own meetings. Nothing can happen without them making it happen. They have only brought 3 floor votes with a candidate that was DOA.

Moderate candidates haven't even been brought forward for a floor vote. So any discussion about negotiations is pointless.

[wackawacka 168]

??!!

 

https://www.threads.net/@meidastouch/post/CyzaJzSRxVF

[tokamak 6350]

The Republicans have gotten trained over the last few years that they can act like deranged spoiled children and the Democrats will eventually choose to act like the adult in the room and bail them out. Time to start saying no. 

[Captain Ron 12789]

1 minute ago, wackawacka said:

??!!

 

https://www.threads.net/@meidastouch/post/CyzaJzSRxVF

[Zonahorn 8079]

OTHERMENTUM

[tokamak 6350]

1 hour ago, Snake Diggity said:

I cannot believe the seemingly otherwise sane Republicans in congress have not been able to find a way to save the party from traitorous extremism, but it’s clear they cannot.  The only way out is to show the rubes that the emperor has no clothes.

Their last best chance was after January 6. They could have convicted Trump, thus disqualifying him from office forever and excising the cancer. They would have been completely justified in doing so and I think many of them wanted to at the time. But it would have been a little messy, a little painful in the short term, and required a tiny bit of courage. So they said fuck it and immediately jumped right back in line. 

[elfenix 34168]

2 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Where I think this likely ends, for posterity
 

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Thursday, the GOP will elect Elise Stefanik Speaker of the House with 217 on the nose. 

 

Spoiler

 

[cactusflinthead 27593]

33 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

no cooperation

It's not the Democrats fault. Full stop

 

[The Dog 43771]

 

[Zonahorn 8079]

 

[Biff Tannen 45477]

5 minutes ago, The Dog said:

 

As was said pages ago, they believe cutting a deal with Dems is cutting a deal with their sworn enemies. They would rather burn it all down. 

[brown water 3761]

8 minutes ago, The Dog said:

 

Assistant speaker or assistant to the speaker? 

[Zonahorn 8079]

 

[The Dog 43771]

WHEE!

 

[Zonahorn 8079]

Regardless of Johnson technically winning the nomination, there’s zero chance he wins a floor vote. 

Edited October 25, 2023 by Zonahorn

[Captain Ron 12789]

1 minute ago, Zonahorn said:

 

 

Voting or not, that makes Johnson the nominee.

 

With that many holdouts, I don't see his path to 217.

[The Dog 43771]

7 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

As was said pages ago, they believe cutting a deal with Dems is cutting a deal with their sworn enemies. They would rather burn it all down. 

I know- was just posting Kinzinger’s take.

[Horn Dog 9644]

2 minutes ago, The Dog said:

WHEE!

 

Mike Johnson?  Has anyone seen Mike Johnson??

[Zonahorn 8079]

2 minutes ago, Captain Ron said:

 

Voting or not, that makes Johnson the nominee.

 

With that many holdouts, I don't see his path to 217.

Check the post above