the 2023 speaker of the house voting thread of implosion

[SydneyCarton 49,538]

The longer this goes on, the more stupid Americans will convince themselves that the Democrats did in fact do this. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

Just now, SydneyCarton said:

The longer this goes on, the more stupid Americans will convince themselves that the Democrats did in fact do this. 

 

[DixonHur 11,971]

Maybe the Dems should work to get 5 of these so called "moderate republicans" to vote for Jeffries.  They could still vote for or against various bills, but at least an adult would be in charge.

[kevwun 16,458]

The Dems don't have anything to do with the Republicans being unable to agree on a Speaker.  The more fighting amongst Republicans that happens, the more that point gets driven home.  How are they ever going to own the Libs when they can't even reconvene the House?

Edited October 19, 2023 by kevwun

[Beantown Express 2.0 6,598]

2 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

All of this is obviously the Democrats fault!

Now I will go back to the Israel thread to bitch about those fucking Nicaraguans that have caused that Israeli-Palestinian conflict.  Good day sirs!

[SydneyCarton 49,538]

3 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

You laugh, but I'm serious. Im going to see some folks this weekend who lean conservative while claiming to be centrist capitalists. Which is irritating becuase I view myself as a centrist and they're miles right of me. Anyway, I'm guessing I'll hear something like this. 

1 minute ago, BeardIP said:

I was reading the first time to elect McCarthy took 15(!) votes. What are we at? Under 5, right now?

Yeah. What's your point? McCarthy's first set of voting didn't have any way they could point to democrats. Now they've constructed something. 

[Red Five 41,804]

They still say with straight faces that they have to vote for Trump because of democrats. 

[Bozo_Casanova 26,950]

1 minute ago, SydneyCarton said:

You laugh, but I'm serious. Im going to see some folks this weekend who lean conservative while claiming to be centrist capitalists. Which is irritating becuase I view myself as a centrist and they're miles right of me. Anyway, I'm guessing I'll hear something like this. 

My answer to this kind of thing thus far has been "grow the fuck up. You voted for this and if you don't like it, that's on you."

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

No one, er ah, few, will remember any of this shit in five months. 

Edited October 19, 2023 by Hugo Stiglitz

[Biff Tannen 46,250]

5 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

My answer to this kind of thing thus far has been "grow the fuck up. You voted for this and if you don't like it, that's on you."

I have a “centrist capitalist” friend who voted for Hillary and Biden that is now parroting the “Dems should have saved McCarthy” line. It’s infuriating. 

[Dnaguy 12,730]

24 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

So Biden needs to give the President Andrew Shepherd “Bob Rumson” speech?

I mean Sorkin already wrote it and everything.

 

America isn't easy. America is advanced citizenship. You've gotta want it bad, 'cause it's gonna put up a fight. It's gonna say, "You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who's standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours." You want to claim this land as the land of the free? Then the symbol of your country cannot just be a flag. The symbol also has to be one of its citizens exercising his right to burn that flag in protest. Now show me that, defend that, celebrate that in your classrooms.

Then you can stand up and sing about the land of the free.

I've known Republicans for years. And I've been operating under the assumption that the reason Republicans devote so much time and energy to shouting at the rain was that he simply didn't get it. Well, I was wrong. Republicans' problem isn't that he doesn't get it. Republicans' problem is that he can't sell it!

We have serious problems to solve, and we need serious people to solve them. And whatever your particular problem is, I promise you Republicans are not the least bit interested in solving it. They are interested in two things, and two things only: making you afraid of it, and telling you who's to blame for it. That, ladies and gentlemen, is how you win elections. You gather a group of middle age, middle class, middle income voters who remember with longing an easier time, and you talk to them about family, and American values and character, and you wave a laptop of the President's son and you scream about patriotism. You tell them immigrants are to blame for their lot in life. And you go on television and you call me a traitor.

....

We've got serious problems, and we need serious people. And if you want to talk about character, Republicans, you'd better come at me with more than a laptop and nonsensical story about Ukraine. If you want to talk about character and American values, fine. Just tell me where and when, and I'll show up. This a time for serious people, and the GOP's fifteen minutes are up.

[Red Five 41,804]

... and should we win the day, July 4th will no longer be known as an American holiday! 

['stache 22,149]

11 minutes ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

All of this is obviously the Democrats fault!

Now I will go back to the Israel thread to bitch about those fucking Nicaraguans that have caused that Israeli-Palestinian conflict.  Good day sirs!

I don't know who that guy is but I think he's being serious that Gaetz and friends gave the Dems the opportunity to kick out the speaker, which they obviously did.

[4th&Five 42,031]

[YGIFS 19,460]

(checks notes), So Trump masterminded this Jordan thing, knowing Jim would fail to coalesce the party as only the Donald can do.  Kicks Scalise and McKenry to the curb in the process.  Trump swoops in as speaker of the House.  Posts Biden and Harris' addresses to MAGA nation and awaits his ascension back to the Oval.  From there he pardons himself for everything and doesn't bother running again in 2024.  Still grifts campaign money obviously between now and January 2025.  

So who runs for both parties in that very likely scenario?  

[SydneyCarton 49,538]

14 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

My answer to this kind of thing thus far has been "grow the fuck up. You voted for this and if you don't like it, that's on you."

That logic doesn't work if they think or are blaming the democrats for this...

[SydneyCarton 49,538]

8 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

I have a “centrist capitalist” friend who voted for Hillary and Biden that is now parroting the “Dems should have saved McCarthy” line. It’s infuriating. 

Yeah. I'm pretty sure one of these went Trump - Biden - and will almost certainly flip back to Trump. Honestly the most infuriating part is when they claim to not be aligned with either party. Because I've heard dozen of shitty comments about Biden and Dems and zero criticisms of Trump. 

[ConferenceRoom 6,215]

Just now, SydneyCarton said:

That logic doesn't work if they think or are blaming the democrats for this...

Your friends might very well be immune to logic. 

[SydneyCarton 49,538]

3 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

(checks notes), So Trump masterminded this Jordan thing, knowing Jim would fail to coalesce the party as only the Donald can do.  Kicks Scalise and McKenry to the curb in the process.  Trump swoops in as speaker of the House.  Posts Biden and Harris' addresses to MAGA nation and awaits his ascension back to the Oval.  From there he pardons himself for everything and doesn't bother running again in 2024.  Still grifts campaign money obviously between now and January 2025.  

So who runs for both parties in that very likely scenario?  

Me. I run from both parties and straight to any country into which I can buy citizenship for my family. 

Oh, you said FOR. my bad. 

[Foosters 18,287]

10 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

I have a “centrist capitalist” friend who voted for Hillary and Biden that is now parroting the “Dems should have saved McCarthy” line. It’s infuriating. 

What happens when you ask them how many in the GOP would've voted for Pelosi if things were reversed?

[Bozo_Casanova 26,950]

9 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

That logic doesn't work if they think or are blaming the democrats for this...

It's not supposed to be convincing. It's supposed to be an aggressive challenge. Social pressure is really important.  It's important these people be challenged and held to account by their peers. Or separated from their peers if need be. 
I have a few rules: 
1) Use an even tone - in social situations the first person to yell or pitch up is usually perceived as the loser.
2) Use open body language and maintain eye contact - this conveys strength.
3) Say these things in front of others - this conveys status.
4) If you mock somebody, look them in the eye and smile when you do it. - this conveys dominance

The point is not be persuasive. The point is an object lesson that recruits followers or at least shakes confidence.

Edited October 19, 2023 by Bozo_Casanova

[SydneyCarton 49,538]

4 minutes ago, Foosters said:

What happens when you ask them how many in the GOP would've voted for Pelosi if things were reversed?

I already put that one in my back pocket. 

[kevwun 16,458]

There are 2 ways out of this and both involve removing Trump's sway over the party.  One way is the Republican party goes the way of the Whigs and a new conservative party emerges that has no obligations to Donald Trump.  The faction of America that can't deal with that will either stop voting or form a fringe party that gets no say.  The other is that Trump dies before the first way happens.

Edited October 19, 2023 by kevwun

[Radical Larry 28,827]

... and should we win the day, July 4th will no longer be known as an American holiday! 

[Horn Dog 10,200]

27 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

You laugh, but I'm serious. Im going to see some folks this weekend who lean conservative while claiming to be centrist capitalists. Which is irritating becuase I view myself as a centrist and they're miles right of me. Anyway, I'm guessing I'll hear something like this. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Speaker_of_the_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections

 

Print this out and ask your friends to look at every election for Speaker since the 1700's and ask them to point out where an opposition party swung an election for the other party to hold the Speaker position 

[SydneyCarton 49,538]

1 minute ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

It's not supposed to be convincing. It's supposed to be an aggressive challenge. Social pressure is really important.  It's important these people be challenged and held to account by their peers. Or separated from their peers if need be. 
I have a few rules: 
1) Use an even tone - in social situations the first person to yell is the loser.
2) Use open body language - this conveys strength.
3) Say these things in front of others - this conveys status.
4) If you mock somebody, look them in the eye and smile when you do it. - this conveys dominance

The point is not be persuasive. The point is an object lesson that recruits followers.

Actually, that's usually similar to my play book. I challenge people all the time. The dynamics with this one are a bit different, as another poster said, I think logic of any kind doesn't work. 

[Foosters 18,287]

Just now, kevwun said:

 The other is that Trump dies before that happens.

He'd still probably get at least 15% of the vote as a write-in candidate

[SydneyCarton 49,538]

Just now, Foosters said:

He'd still probably get at least 15% of the vote as a write-in candidate

That will be absolutely great for us...after he's dead. 

[Bozo_Casanova 26,950]

18 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

I have a “centrist capitalist” friend who voted for Hillary and Biden that is now parroting the “Dems should have saved McCarthy” line. It’s infuriating. 

this is a different situation because this person probbaly hasn't been red pilled. A better response here is that coalition government is possible, but in all historic examples of this (such as Texas), the opposition party gets concessions. 

[Biff Tannen 46,250]

5 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Use an even tone - in social situations the first person to yell or pitch up is usually perceived as the loser.

And this is where I lose

[The Original Greaser Bob 2,903]

Well, just finished The Storm Before the Storm, and the only question I have is that once immamac gives up all the real names of the posters on this board, how will I be murdered and who will take all my shit.

[Wally Fairway 5,679]

3 minutes ago, kevwun said:

There are 2 ways out of this and both involve removing Trump's sway over the party.  One way is the Republican party goes the way of the Whigs and a new conservative party emerges that has no obligations to Donald Trump.  The faction of America that can't deal with that will either stop voting or form a fringe party that gets no say.  The other is that Trump dies before the first way happens.

if only

I think that Matt Gaetz place in history might just be the vote that finalized the split of the republican party. 

Edited October 19, 2023 by Wally Fairway

[Doc Sam Beckett 5,911]

9 minutes ago, Foosters said:

What happens when you ask them how many in the GOP would've voted for Pelosi if things were reversed?

"A bunch of them would, bro. Pelosi is a little bit better than the fucking Squad. Come on bro, Republicans actually know what's up." 

 

[Brisketexan 107,063]

1 minute ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

Well, just finished The Storm Before the Storm, and the only question I have is that once immamac gives up all the real names of the posters on this board, how will I be murdered and who will take all my shit.

I'm gonna go with "murder was unnecessary, he choked on a Hot Pocket while playing video games" and "nobody cared about his super awesome action figure collection."  What do I win?

[Foosters 18,287]

3 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

That will be absolutely great for us...after he's dead. 

The gift that keeps on giving. The portion of his base that thinks JFK (and Jr.) is still alive is not going to be dissuaded by a funeral and obituary. Its just that their savior had to go into hiding from the deep state and will one day return to reclaim American greatness. I could see this movement outliving my grandchildren (who are not born yet)

[Js1 87,333]

20 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

Trump swoops in as speaker of the House.  Posts Biden and Harris' addresses to MAGA nation

Well uh, 1600 Pennsylvania is kind of obvious.

i know you meant in Delaware, was just kind of an obvious 

Edited October 19, 2023 by Js1

[kevwun 16,458]

Which is ideal.  They can go on being crazy assholes as long as they don't vote for either party.

[YGIFS 19,460]

that's the joke dude.  This is the type of brainpower we're dealing with here.  Wait until they find out Harris' residence isn't about a Naval vessel.  

[atomheartbevo 90,702]

10 minutes ago, kevwun said:

There are 2 ways out of this and both involve removing Trump's sway over the party.  One way is the Republican party goes the way of the Whigs and a new conservative party emerges that has no obligations to Donald Trump.  The faction of America that can't deal with that will either stop voting or form a fringe party that gets no say.  The other is that Trump dies before the first way happens.

Trump has to be pissed, because his public choice couldn't get over the finish line, and also Jordan isn't able to weaponize his committee(s) to try and run interference for Trump's legal issues.

[South Austin 53,325]

1 hour ago, Horn Dog said:

"My fellow Americans.  The modern day GOP party in general, and the current GOP house representative specifically, are simply not serious people and have no interest in addressing the many problems facing our nation.   Instead of blaming "Washington" and "the swamp" for the myriad of  your problems, maybe you should elect representatives who take this job seriously.  Fuck you and good night."  

[Ted Lange 16,450]

2 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Has any expert weighed in on whether a Speaker pro tempore in terms of presidential succession?

No, but the White House is gonna need a much smaller version of the Resolute Desk

[Pescado_Rojo 19,593]

5 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:

No, but the White House is gonna need a much smaller version of the Resolute Desk

[Covri 6,379]

16 minutes ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

"A bunch of them would, bro. Pelosi is a little bit better than the fucking Squad. Come on bro, Republicans actually know what's up." 

 

[Beau Vine 55,901]

3 hours ago, 'stache said:

At some point they need to realize they aren't going to win and back someone who can do the job. There is no strategy here that makes any sense, but I know the answer is they don't care.

That would require some actual planning and strategizing to be performed that analyzes their options if they don't win.

They literally only know one response to not winning, and that's screaming and yelling.

[Ted Lange 16,450]

10 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

Maybe something a bit more modern

[The Dog 44,887]

gee, i wonder why...

[YGIFS 19,460]

1 minute ago, The Dog said:

gee, i wonder why...

Because they're returning home to their districts to identify the bodies of their spouses?  

[Beau Vine 55,901]

3 hours ago, 'stache said:

Ending the Biden impeachment nonsense should be non-negotiable. Why would any Dem offer any assistance without that condition?

Because it's just a pointless exercise that lets the GOP show how stupid they are.

[Brisketexan 107,063]

17 minutes ago, The Dog said:

gee, i wonder why...

Yeah...my message back would be "tell Fuckstick von Rape Enabler that I don't negotiate with fucking terrorists.  Now fuck off."

[Kyrie Eleison 9,312]