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I agree with Lurch's logic.  I just don't think in the normal 1-2 game you see much three betting from early position with big aces against button raises even though it is the right play.  But it's 200 BB deep so maybe the skill is a little higher.  My thought though is that his showing an A and checking the Turn makes it highly likely that you have him outkicked.  So do you think he is going to check back the river if you check behind?  His check and show on the turn makes me think he's going to check back on the river as well 90% of the time.  So I think you lead out a smallish half pot bet on turn.  If you get raised, you have to call and it's a cooler if your behind.  If he doesn't reraise, then reevaluate on river depending on card and what he does.  But likely still comfortable getting it all in.

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On 6/13/2023 at 12:44 PM, Lurch said:

Wynn's poker room is possibly the best run anywhere and there are plenty of whales any time of day.  Obviously, there are also a shit ton of pros, but that's just the game.

They, too, are running a poker series right now thats worth considering.  As a bonus, during the daytime hours you get to watch scantily clad ladies come and go from their pool club right next to where they host tournaments.

 

https://www.wynnlasvegas.com/casino/poker

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17 hours ago, Bookman said:

Ha, sorry.

I checked the turn to disguise the strength of my hand, and it cost me. The river was a 4, and he lead with a full pot size bet. I called and he had A-4.

Logically that doesn't make much sense to check to disguise the strength of your hand. He knows you know he has an ace. If you check the turn and then bet at all on the river, you are still saying you have an ace or bluffing. If you bet on the turn, he has to make a decision whether you have the ace or you are bluffing that you know he has an ace so if you are betting you must have that beat. He isn't folding the turn after showing the ace to the table. He doesn't want to look like a pussy to the rest of the table. Even if he didn't show I don't think he is folding in a 1/2 game. I think betting relatively large on turn and river is the play. Good thing you didn't though.

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On 6/14/2023 at 9:40 AM, Bookman said:

1/2 game, 8-handed.

Hero opens A of hearts K of diamonds on the button, BB calls, flop is A-Q-J, Ace of clubs and two spades. BB checks, Hero bets half pot, BB calls and shows A of diamonds to the whole table.

Turn is the last A in the deck, the A of spades. You're both 200+ big blinds deep. Check or bet?

Wtf - why would he show? I’d absolutely bet

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blacklab

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good start. Bought in for $300, lost it, $300 more, down to $100, added $200 on, was down to $150, ran it up to $1400, cashed out at $1088. Net profit of $288

saw Phil helmuth on the way out

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and with a win like that I had a meal fit for a king

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Ha, sorry.
I checked the turn to disguise the strength of my hand, and it cost me. The river was a 4, and he lead with a full pot size bet. I called and he had A-4.

I know you’ve revealed but when someone shows a hand like that or to the people next or behind them I feel that it’s a marginal hand or draw. I’m betting turn hoping to get it in. As played I’m raising river. I guess folding to a jam. Idk, I’m a fish.
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good start. Bought in for $300, lost it, $300 more, down to $100, added $200 on, was down to $150, ran it up to $1400, cashed out at $1088. Net profit of $288
saw Phil helmuth on the way out
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and with a win like that I had a meal fit for a king
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Next event?

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Playing big o tourney, $1500 entry.
 

Dealt 238jj, 2 hearts, 4 callers, flop a58, two hearts. Bet $500, 2 callers. Turn J, bet $2500, 2 callers, River J, bet $5k, next guy raises, other guy calls, I go all in, call call. One guy has 5523, other 23 so I end up with 2/3 of the pot. 
Starting stack $25k, I have $40, 1 hour in.

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Haha no. 
but about half the dealers hadn’t dealt much split pot games. The players were constantly having to help. 
 

1400 runners I finished around 600. Could not win a big hand after the above. Won a lot of small pots but could never win the big ones

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Brian Fantana

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On 6/18/2023 at 12:15 PM, blacklab said:

Haha no. 
but about half the dealers hadn’t dealt much split pot games. The players were constantly having to help. 
 

1400 runners I finished around 600. Could not win a big hand after the above. Won a lot of small pots but could never win the big ones

This is the most annoying thing about tourneys. Running good early and going dead until you bleed out for hours.

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Playing in the PLO8/limit O8/BigO tournament, $1500 buy in, 25k starting stack.

Started off hot as hell, won the first 5 hands and went up about 10k in chips. Then proceeded to go card dead. Went all the way down to around 10k. Had AKT52, raised pre flop, 1 caller, flop K94. I pot, he thinks for a bit and jams. I call all in. He's got AQ542. Turn 6 river 6. Boom double up with a pair of kings.

Up to 20k. A few hands later As3s58K, raise pre flop and get 4 callers. Flop is T5s2s. I pot, get repot, all-in, all-in, I call, 4 way all in. Turn 2, river A. I get up to walk away. First guy picks up his hand and turns it over and mucks it. I look over and see the other two guys each have a couple of low cards, figure I'm fucked. Look closer and they have 57 and 56. Boom 83 for the low. Double up again to 40k. Really hated the table. Two huge stacks at the end that were playing big stack poker. Was just waiting to pick them off and I never got the cards to do so. 

Whittle down to around 25k, get KdQsJdTs8. Raise pre flop, one caller. Flop Qs9x5s, I raise, he jams, I call. He's got aces. Turn J, river Ks. I'm trying to figure out if I win or not, look over at his hand As with two black cards one of them being a ten. First thought, fuck he got broadway. Then the chinese dude next to me says "He's got a frush". Look at the ace of spades again, thinking I'm fucked, then realize his other black cards are clubs. So I say "Yes, I got a frush!", realizing 10 seconds later I was supposed to say "what the fucks a frush"

One table over James Woods is playing
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Our table ends up breaking and I get moved to a new table. I'm in the 4 seat, the 6 and 7 seats have huge stacks and are both super aggressive. I get to see a few hands of theirs and realize they don't have the nuts every time and have called light when pushed back into.

Finally get a few hands with the big stacks. Get AdKd523, flop 8d74d. Bingo! Big stack pots, I repot, we get all in. Look over and he has AQ83x. Turn diamond, river blank, boom doubled up to 40k.

Few hands later get Ah7hKQJ against same big stack. Flop Th9d3h. I bet, he calls. Turn 9H. Yeeaaaah Fuck. I check, he checks. River Qs. I bet 11k, he thinks for a while, moves his had toward the muck a few times, I'm expecting all in jam, finally he starts grabbing for chips and just calls, I show my Ah7h and he mucks. Not really sure what I do there if he jams over the top, I think I call based on his hand movements of wanting to muck and the fact every other time he had the nuts he insta jammed. Boom, up to 60k.

Notice Mike Matasow a table over:

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He had been pretty quiet. Guy at table to the left of the picture says something to him and they start jawing back and forth. Guy at our table says "go get em Alan". I ask and sure enough it was Allen "Chainsaw" Kessler. 

Guy to my left gets knocked out and is replaced by a 50ish dude. Guy to my right gets knocked out, replaced by some guy. New guy in 3 seat says "Not very often I get to play against the guy who taught me everything about split pot games. I turn to guy on my left and ask if he's kinda a big deal. He says his name is Mark he's no one of importance. A few hands later I ask his last name and He says Gregorich. Go look him up

https://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=4170

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Well fuck me. At least he has a short stack. I end up not playing a hand with him. He went from $25k-$6k. Then they announced 3 hands left in the night, he says he's going out or up, then managed to win 2 big pots in a row and now is at 35k. Guy to my right sees me looking him up and tells me he's pretty well known as one of the best split pot players in the world. 

So for the first time in my life I got to bag up chips. I'm around 50k with average stack around 80k.

Big names that I outlasted include

Sam Farha
Todd Brunson
Chin Rheem
Nick Shulman
Daniel Negreanu
Veronica Brill

Current stacks here
https://www.wsop.com/tournaments/chipcounts/?aid=2&grid=5219&tid=21710&dayof=217101&rr=-1&curpage=2

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had an absolutly devestating run basically the whole of May.   $-2400 give or take on a $7500 bankroll.   didnt matter what I had, I kept getting murdered by the cards, multiple times I was sitting 70+% to win with 1 card to go in 3 and 4 way all in hands. and losing to the most assine calls who got there.  and ALWAYS losing to the one fucker who covered me (or could hurt me the most) in those hands. 

 stopped playing any days except Fri and Sat night to try and take advantage of the drunks.  slowly chipped away at that defict.  +250, +200, +150, +380, -200, +510, +420

I was literally one card away from completely overcoming my entire deficit.  and couldnt survive.  

Hand started out with UTG ( main villain, $500 behind) raising to $15, 3 callers (having around $250 each),

I am the button ( in for 200, $1k behind) and have 34dd. so I call.  SB folds BB for whatever reason decides to raise it to $35, which does nothing other than increase the pot size because once UTG just calls, everyone else did as well.    6 of us to the flop. 

flop is Td 3s 4s.  BB checks, UTG bets $15, 2 call 1 fold.  I  pause and make it $75. BB folds. Villain  SIGH calls, (seemed pretty fucking genuine),  then the next MP guy starts to throw away his hand and then pulls back, and finally says fuck it and shoves for $210ish.  then the other MP guy left to act basically goes into a 2 min agony of call fold... finally shoves his last $235 in there.   At this point there is no way on the fucking planet I am folding.  The body language of all 3 so far was totally resigned

I basically cant get my chips in fast enough and insta shove for $531 effective.  Villain hems/ haws, says out loud... "ive got all 3 of you on a flush draw...."

call.

I find out later that MP1 had K6ss, MP2 had 92ss.  But our villain calls with AsTh.  ... hes literally blocking the most likely flush draw anyone of the 3 of us "on a flush draw" would have???  

as long as a T or A or runner runner pair doesnt come, I break even, if no spade shows up and I avoid runner runner, I am taking down a $1700 pot. 

turn is Jd,    River..... Jh.   Mother fucker.  again. how many fucking times will I keep losing to the one fucker who either covers me, or hurts me the most?  70% chance to take the whole pot down and be well on the positive side again... only to end up down 570ish on the hand.... still finished the night in profit (+$380)

played only 90 mins tonight, got distracted by reading about the shit going down in Russia, so I left up $510.  

I am still down about $300 or so for the last 2 months. but thats a fuckload better than being down 2400. 

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Shitty beats tonight going from a very comfortable chip lead to out in 2 hands in a tourney against the player to my right.

We're down to FT 4-handed at this point:

First hand flop a straight with T7s after I defend the BB on a J98 rainbow board, SB with QTo guts me after I call his jam. Just a tough situation, never folding in that spot, nothing to be done. Cooler, but reasonable hand for opponent to have there, just unlucky to have the 2nd nuts.

Second hand comes on the next orbit with me on the BB, I jam preflop with AcKc after an open to 2.5bb from the cutoff and SB calls. SB calls my jam with Jc8c. Flop comes xx8, A turn, J river, I'm out.

Brutal cooler to end the night on a pot where I would have gotten a significant amount of the chips I lost to him on the straight over straight hand.

Sometimes it's just not your night even when you make all the right plays. I try not to be results oriented but these ones hurt sometimes, especially when only the top 3 spots pay.

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Played in the Aria PLO8. Jammed with AQ82, get called by AK83, flop a Qd7x5x, turn 6d, gives me the low, all I have to do is avoid a 2 K or diamond to scoop, avoid 2d and I get at least half the pot, and boop river 2d. Really pissed about this one more than any of the other bad beats this week as the table was pretty weak and we weren't far from the money.

 

 

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LONG POST WARNING: feel free to skip.

Looking for thoughts from the PLO players on this hand.  I am adding my thoughts at the time, so feel free to blast away.

$5 Bomb Pot hand.   I am the CO on a 7 handed table, which is pretty close to breaking- one guy already announced the bomb pot was his last hand and hes racked up hes got somewhere around $900 in front.

I start with around $330.

Top board:  Ks Jh 9s

Bottom board: Ts 8s 3c

It checks around to me and I look down at black double suited AA + J4

Which I admit looks fantastic, but all I really have at that point is the nut flush draw on both boards and a single pair, with a small nut runner runner flush chance on the bottom as well

With only 1 more guy to bet,  and me basically only having enough to cover 2 non raised pot bets, I don’t think me making the pot larger is a good idea, I can very easily call a single button pot bet, and if  say 3 or so folks call his bet, then maybe, at that point I consider trying to pot isolate which would effectively fully commit me to the whole stack being at risk.  but a better than average chance of a chop of a larger middle pie

My hand has great potential, but I am also begging for 1 of 7 outs on either board , and I think if I had a lot more behind or if this was a tournament, I start to increase the pot size.  But since it’s a Bomb Pot, anyone could have anything right now.

So I check, and button checks as well.

Turn is  9c on the top board, and Qd on the bottom…. Which makes the board a lot more coordinated.  The dude who is racked up (2nd to act)  bets out $25 and it folds to me.   I think a call here is the only thing that makes sense.   So I call $25.

Suddenly the button (who is not a spazz, but will occasionally overvalue a decent hand thinking its worth more than it is) wakes up and makes it $105.

Folds to 2TA…. And he takes a good minute, maybe 90 seconds before sigh folding.   Which means its on me.  

And I am  really baffled by this raise. I take a very long time to act. Plus being that the guy who just folded was the only one who could felt the button played a role in my thinking as well.  Yes button could have thought 2TA would only stay if they had the nuts, but 2TA is notoriously sticky and normally calls with any decent draw. so raising into him with me still to act after seems very strong.

The raise here kinda screams J9…. But I have removal to one of those, and J9 at this point is the effective nut nut based on how the hand has been played.   

So I would expect J9 to make a smaller raise to suck us in, like  only $60 or so.   

This really seems like a pushout bet, where hes got something strong on 1 board but not the other, and maybe, like me, a redraw to something larger.

I start thinking about what hands could do this that I am currently beating?

KJ seems the most obvious, hes top 2 pair, on the top board, plus a (perceived 6 out) open ended straight draw on the bottom

Qs Xs   with one of their other 2 cards being close enough to help make a random straight if a 9 hits on the bottom, or a T hits on the top.

And that’s the only 2 hands I could think of that a rational player could act this way and it not be something that has me almost dead to rights.

Anything else, that isn’t absolutely murdering me like just a naked 9x  where they also have an inside straight draw on the bottom, Or Q8 still has me beat on 1 board and still at risk to be scooped.

After that, QT is the hand that seems to make the most sense for this bet.  And I would need a lot of help on both boards vs that.

 

I keep thinking what scoop outs would I have? Assuming they have a bare 9 and most of the spades are live, I have at most 12 outs up top.  On the bottom if aces up wins… then Ive got maybe 18 outs, but If they have a set, Ive only got at most 10 outs.

I just cant decide.   And I also realize that because I took waay to much time (might have been 3 mins at this point),  a call just basically screams “hes got spades”  

I finally decided that I didn’t have enough outs to scoop with, and based on that, putting $300+ at risk to just chop up $60 didn’t make sense.   So I finally folded face up… and the regulars all gave me stupid funny looks. The guy leaving said he folded 33 for a set on the bottom   Button doesn’t show.

So guys… was a I moron?

Tl;dr, folded the double boarded nut flush draw on the turn where I still had scoop outs that weren’t just the flush- with there being a 5-10% chance that I straight up folded the best hand

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You were getting roughly 3-to-1 to call for less than 1/3 of your stack on a double board with draws to the nuts on both boards. It's objectively an insane fold especially when you might have been good already with an over pair in the hole. The kicker is you took so long that you're basically playing your hand face up at least as far as the flush draw goes so if it hits you won't get paid off more than likely but you're still going to scoop a good pot.

Happens to the best of us, I've made plenty of dumb folds.

e: The correct move may have been just to pot it but that's a big risk on a double board PLO hand.

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