The Official 118th Congress 2023-24 Thread

[Bullneck 19091]

OK, McCarthy is in like Flynn and off to a flying start.

 

I think this warrants a new thread?  Or Henry Gandolf can just change the title of the Implosion thread and we can keep using that one?

Edited January 7, 2023 by Bullneck

[troph 24804]

Only thing I really care about are the bills that are must pass - what are they?

1. debt ceiling - what’s the play there - will it at least come to the floor? If so not worried, only a handful of moderates have to cross over.

2. Ukraine aid - more concern. But I think there are a handful of moderates that will cross over. Will it come to the floor?

do the rules make it easier for dems to attach these kinds of riders to bills that are bipartisan? So a vet bill, add the debt ceiling and Ukrainian aid package?

what else…?

the investigations and the show bills are going to be silly. 

Edited January 7, 2023 by troph

[Welshy 907]

[Js1 85338]

2 minutes ago, troph said:

1. debt ceiling - what’s the play there - will it at least come to the floor? If so not worried, only a handful of moderates have to cross over.

2. Ukraine aid - more concern. But I think there are a handful of moderates that will cross over. Will it come to the floor?

 

1. HFC is demanding spending cuts to SS/Medicare to raise it. Biden has already said cuts are a non-starter. Senate won’t pass anything with massive cuts anyhow. Would likely take a discharge petition and 6 GOP to get a normal one passed. 

2. No. McCarthy didn’t get his Speakership without promising to slash Ukraine aid because the House GOP caucus is much more beholden to Putin and his cock puppet Trump. Ukraine will likely see no more money from us until 2025 at the earliest, if we can take back the House and keep the White House. Even if Dems lose the Senate, the Senate GOP has been much more friendly to Ukraine (Mitch didn’t oppose any of the Ukraine funding in the omnibus)

[troph 24804]

2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

1. HFC is demanding spending cuts to SS/Medicare to raise it. Biden has already said cuts are a non-starter. Senate won’t pass anything with massive cuts anyhow. Would likely take a discharge petition and 6 GOP to get a normal one passed. 

2. No. McCarthy didn’t get his Speakership without promising to slash Ukraine aid because the House GOP caucus is much more beholden to Putin and his cock puppet Trump. Ukraine will likely see no more money from us until 2025 at the earliest, if we can take back the House and keep the White House. Even if Dems lose the Senate, the Senate GOP has been much more friendly to Ukraine (Mitch didn’t oppose any of the Ukraine funding in the omnibus)

Are there ways to get those issues on the floor? Seems like the R’s can be fractured. So the best way to win on those issues is to use the rules against them? Seems like Dems +5 moderate republicans? Not happening? 

Edited January 7, 2023 by troph

[Js1 85338]

Just now, troph said:

Are there ways to get those issues on the floor? Seems like the R’s can be fractured. So the best way to win on those issues is to use the rules against them? Not happening? 

All you can do is use discharge petitions but it takes a long time. Bills stuck in committees for 30 days before you can even try to discharge them. It’s going to be a shit show that will make 2021 Texas Football look competent 

[Francisco 2.0 32394]

 

 

[troph 24804]

44 minutes ago, Js1 said:

All you can do is use discharge petitions but it takes a long time. Bills stuck in committees for 30 days before you can even try to discharge them. It’s going to be a shit show that will make 2021 Texas Football look competent 

so the new rules package doesn't allow crap to be added on the floor at the last minute? 

[Valmy77 13226]

Well I am glad the new chairman of the Armed Services Committee is ready to fight Putin and his allies.

[Earl Haffler 591]

1 hour ago, troph said:

Only thing I really care about are the bills that are must pass - what are they?

1. debt ceiling - what’s the play there - will it at least come to the floor? If so not worried, only a handful of moderates have to cross over.

2. Ukraine aid - more concern. But I think there are a handful of moderates that will cross over. Will it come to the floor?

do the rules make it easier for dems to attach these kinds of riders to bills that are bipartisan? So a vet bill, add the debt ceiling and Ukrainian aid package?

what else…?

the investigations and the show bills are going to be silly. 

Debt ceiling should only be raised with 5% across the board spending cuts (like what happened with sequestration in the Obama Admin).

Ukraine aid.  The US should not fund one penny more than the EU does.

 

[troph 24804]

12 minutes ago, Earl Haffler said:

Debt ceiling should only be raised with 5% across the board spending cuts (like what happened with sequestration in the Obama Admin).

Ukraine aid.  The US should not fund one penny more than the EU does.

 

I didn’t ask shoulds I was asking about parliamentary procedure 

[Valmy77 13226]

18 minutes ago, Earl Haffler said:

Debt ceiling should only be raised with 5% across the board spending cuts (like what happened with sequestration in the Obama Admin).

Ukraine aid.  The US should not fund one penny more than the EU does.

 

That's fine. Match EU funding and 5% spending cuts. I think Biden and company can work with that. The devil is in the details.

The Democrats are not going to agree with McCarthy's insistence to defund the police.

[Macanudo 12979]

The Rs are going to turbo fuck everything they can and try to pin it on Biden and the Senate.  They are not interested in governing at all.  They'll be happy to propose legislation just to get the Ds on record as being opposed even if they don't really want it. 

One that stands out to be is term limits. I am completely in favor of that but 3 terms is not enough.   I don't like people being there 20, 30 or 40 years but 6 is not enough.   

Personally, I'd love to change the length of office to every 4 years and get them put of this perpetual election cycle.  Then allow 3 terms.  12 years is good.

 

[tx 3 putt 76958]

I expect the next two years to be a train wreck.

[Bullneck 19091]

32 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

I expect the next two years to be a train wreck.

Here's a strategy:

 

 

[atomheartbevo 89671]

2 hours ago, Macanudo said:

The Rs are going to turbo fuck everything they can and try to pin it on Biden and the Senate.  They are not interested in governing at all. 

On the contrary, I think the Republicans looking to fuck around are going to take full credit.  Like I said in the Speaker thread, Boebert was downright gleeful when talking about fucking with the government and the House, and Gaetz was publicly willing to accept Jeffries if he couldn't get what he wanted out of McCarthy.

They want this shitshow and they want full credit for it.  They want their voters and financial backers to know they are fighting The Evil Swamp any way they can.

[Ted Lange 16085]

118th Congress

 

[BevoAbyss 2059]

With all due respect, the idea that GQP can't or doesn't want to govern is naive. The long-term goal is to cause chaos, instill fear, impose religion, stack the courts, seize total power (legally or otherwise), and take America backwards. Way backwards! 

By any dictionary definition: the "Freedom Caucus" is the Fascist Caucus. Founded in 2015, with origins in the Tea Party, the Fascist Caucus is little more than a legislative brigade for MAGA, Trump, and theocrats. McCarthy’s concessions only empowered the fascists even more—19 of the 20 holdouts were from the Fascist Caucus. If the data below from Wikipedia is accurate, the Fascist Caucus is gaining power/membership among Republicans in the House. 

2016: 36/241 R seats, which equals 15% of elected Republicans.

2022: 53/222 R seats, which equals 24% of elected Republicans.

Fascism is here and 40-45% of Americans are ready for it, regardless of whether the prez nominee is Trump or DeSantis. Anyone who thinks American-MAGA-GQP fascism is non-existent or going away soon is naïve. Blindingly naive. 

[Bullneck 19091]

7 hours ago, Earl Haffler said:

Debt ceiling should only be raised with 5% across the board spending cuts (like what happened with sequestration in the Obama Admin).

Ukraine aid.  The US should not fund one penny more than the EU does.

 

Why not?  What does that have to do with anything?

[Bullneck 19091]

 

 

[Red Five 40859]

Hell of a comeback there Cory. 

What's with these people's fascination with Pelosi's husband being in his underwear in the middle of the night. 

[CooterBrown 18012]

Hell of a comeback there Cory. 
What's with these people's fascination with Pelosi's husband being in his underwear in the middle of the night. 

What weirdos sleep in pajamas as adults? I don’t think I’ve slept in anything but drawers since I was 5. Seems like adult pajamas would be the preference of pedos.

[Gatorubet 30239]

21 hours ago, Earl Haffler said:

Debt ceiling should only be raised with 5% across the board spending cuts (like what happened with sequestration in the Obama Admin).

Ukraine aid.  The US should not fund one penny more than the EU does.

Please explain the rationale for the second stupid comment.    Ukraine should fall to the murdering, torturing, raping, genocidal Russians because Germany and France decides not to give any more money for whatever Germany France reasons?

America can’t have its own financial reasons for doing something, using its own financial resources, separate from Europe? I don’t know man - you sound kind of one world government to me.

[Biff Tannen 45687]

25 minutes ago, CooterBrown said:

Seems like adult pajamas would be the preference of pedos.

BING!

[tx 3 putt 76958]

2 hours ago, Bullneck said:

 

 

this is type of stuff that the maga gqp texag crowd loves 

[Red Five 40859]

4 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

this is type of stuff that the maga gqp texag crowd loves 

Well it's hilarious. An elderly man was attacked in his home in the middle of the night. So funny! And what's even funnier, is that he was partially clothed at the time. Again, in the middle of the night. Ha ha ha ha!

[Biff Tannen 45687]

This will probably be the last meet the press I watch until 2025. Just a parade of dipshits screaming about nonsense and lying.

[TexArcher 37774]

22 hours ago, Macanudo said:

The Rs are going to turbo fuck everything they can and try to pin it on Biden and the Senate.  They are not interested in governing at all.

Yeah, their mission for the next two years is to block everything the Dems want to do, then go win the White House by talking about how everything is so shitty and the Dems have done nothing about it.

And it's gonna work.

And they're gonna hold all three branches for a significant time after that.  They'll get away with whatever gerrymandering and election rigging it takes to make it so.

I really want to be wrong.  Just like I want to believe Sark's the guy.  But probably not.

[Bama Chick 28596]

What weirdos sleep in pajamas as adults? I don’t think I’ve slept in anything but drawers since I was 5. Seems like adult pajamas would be the preference of pedos.

I love pajamas! And I cannot stand being cold when I sleep. I sleep in a big fleece hoodie and pajama pants in the winter.

No pedo - just a woman who is always freezing!

[Biff Tannen 45687]

28 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

Yeah, their mission for the next two years is to block everything the Dems want to do, then go win the White House by talking about how everything is so shitty and the Dems have done nothing about it.

And it's gonna work.

And they're gonna hold all three branches for a significant time after that.  They'll get away with whatever gerrymandering and election rigging it takes to make it so.

I really want to be wrong.  Just like I want to believe Sark's the guy.  But probably not.

Eh, I don't think it's going to work.  Biden is actually killing it right now and people are going to see nothing but the Rs screaming about nonsense for the next two years, since they can't do anything else.  Every election is going to be uncomfortably close going forward, but I think a majority of Americans understand the Rs are full of shit.  Election turnout is what matters.

[Gatorubet 30239]

15 hours ago, Bullneck said:

Why not?  What does that have to do with anything?

Putin…I mean Trump…..said this all the time.   The gullible people saw this and agreed that ‘ Murica shouldn’t have to pay for all this stuff.’.  They missed the part where it was actually Putin’s agent Trump, trying to pull the US out of NATO. To Trump's credit, Trump did so much damage to our foreign relations as it relates to NATO that I have no doubt Putin was emboldened to attempt the latest Ukraine land grab.    Europe, knowing that America is a GOP sweep away from abandoning NATO - is now stepping up its financial defense obligations in a meaningful way.

Thanks, Trump.

[atomheartbevo 89671]

3 hours ago, Red Five said:

Hell of a comeback there Cory. 

What's with these people's fascination with Pelosi's husband being in his underwear in the middle of the night. 

Same people are obsessed with photos of Hunter’s dong.

[atomheartbevo 89671]

1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

Eh, I don't think it's going to work.  Biden is actually killing it right now and people are going to see nothing but the Rs screaming about nonsense for the next two years, since they can't do anything else.  Every election is going to be uncomfortably close going forward, but I think a majority of Americans understand the Rs are full of shit.  Election turnout is what matters.

Plus the Republicans we are talking about have made it clear they are going to publicly claim credit for everything they wreck. Boebert and Gaetz and the others have made it their mission to publicly wreck shit.

Its like Trump wanting public credit for the COVID vaccines, even though it ran counter to what his base wanted.  Narcissism is like that.  Gaetz and Boebert wanted the American public to know they were willing to destroy the GOP to get what they want.

[HenryJames 66055]

2 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

I love pajamas! And I cannot stand being cold when I sleep. I sleep in a big fleece hoodie and pajama pants in the winter.

No pedo - just a woman who is always freezing!

[Bullneck 19091]

4 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

I love pajamas! And I cannot stand being cold when I sleep. I sleep in a big fleece hoodie and pajama pants in the winter.

No pedo - just a woman who is always freezing!

 

2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Same people are obsessed with photos of Hunter’s dong.

 

 

[Earl Haffler 591]

7 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

Please explain the rationale for the second stupid comment.    Ukraine should fall to the murdering, torturing, raping, genocidal Russians because Germany and France decides not to give any more money for whatever Germany France reasons?

America can’t have its own financial reasons for doing something, using its own financial resources, separate from Europe? I don’t know man - you sound kind of one world government to me.

In a phrase, the Ukraine is not as much our problem as Europe's.  The US does not have a responsibility to address crime, genocide, etc around the world.  Especially if we can't pay for it.  If the EU wants to step up and help their neighbor, then they can go for it.  I feel the same way about NATO.  Every member should pay in it in proportion to their GDP, rather than the US carrying the load.  Now if we can get rid of the welfare freeloaders here and generate some free cash, then let's talk.

[StassneyHorn 6576]

We can pay for it, and it’s extremely cheap. Neutering Russia without the US shooting one shot or losing one soldier is a big F’n deal

[Bullneck 19091]

26 minutes ago, Earl Haffler said:

In a phrase, the Ukraine is not as much our problem as Europe's.  The US does not have a responsibility to address crime, genocide, etc around the world.  Especially if we can't pay for it.  If the EU wants to step up and help their neighbor, then they can go for it.  I feel the same way about NATO.  Every member should pay in it in proportion to their GDP, rather than the US carrying the load.  Now if we can get rid of the welfare freeloaders here and generate some free cash, then let's talk.

You really bought into all that Trump bullshit, didn't you?  You know he only sold out the Ukrainians so he could have a hotel in Moscow, right?  

You have your vote, and it's all the influence you'll ever have, thankfully. 

[Biff Tannen 45687]

32 minutes ago, Earl Haffler said:

7 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

 

In a phrase, the Ukraine is not as much our problem as Europe's.  The US does not have a responsibility to address crime, genocide, etc around the world. 

In 3 words, no and no.  Literally the opposite.  It is just as much our problem and yes we do have the responsibility.  Welcome to the world, post WW2.

[cactusflinthead 27598]

33 minutes ago, Earl Haffler said:

not as much our problem

Did you think this when it was Reagan calling it the evil empire?

Were you alive in the cold war?

[bolverk 29675]

This Earl character must be yet another one of GRU's socks he's been keeping on ice only to start actively using since his last one was killed off or banned.

[The Royal We 3072]

37 minutes ago, Earl Haffler said:

In a phrase, the Ukraine is not as much our problem as Europe's.  The US does not have a responsibility to address crime, genocide, etc around the world.  Especially if we can't pay for it.  If the EU wants to step up and help their neighbor, then they can go for it.  I feel the same way about NATO.  Every member should pay in it in proportion to their GDP, rather than the US carrying the load.  Now if we can get rid of the welfare freeloaders here and generate some free cash, then let's talk.

A policy of appeasement has worked so well on the European continent in the past, amirite?

Have you been under a rock and not heard about all of the hardware that EU countries have sent to help their neighbor?

Our support of Ukraine is probably some of the most efficient use of defense funds in the history of the US - all without a single US casualty.  OH THE HORROR!

[Gatorubet 30239]

1 hour ago, Earl Haffler said:

In a phrase, the Ukraine is not as much our problem as Europe's.  The US does not have a responsibility to address crime, genocide, etc around the world.  Especially if we can't pay for it.  If the EU wants to step up and help their neighbor, then they can go for it.  I feel the same way about NATO.  Every member should pay in it in proportion to their GDP, rather than the US carrying the load.  Now if we can get rid of the welfare freeloaders here and generate some free cash, then let's talk.

“The correct answer was “Hurr-Durr”, but the judges will also accept this answer.”

[Gatorubet 30239]

1 hour ago, The Royal We said:

A policy of appeasement has worked so well on the European continent in the past, amirite?

Have you been under a rock and not heard about all of the hardware that EU countries have sent to help their neighbor?

Our support of Ukraine is probably some of the most efficient use of defense funds in the history of the US - all without a single US casualty.  OH THE HORROR!

Well, he’s likely still upset. Look at it all the money we spent in that war that freed the slaves.  That dip shit is the personification of GQP. He is totally fine with genocide so long as his tax dollars don’t go to suppressing it. I’m sure he claims to be a patriot and a Christian as well, despite being neither.  He would make a great Russian.

It is frightening that there are so many of these truly loathsome, gullible, selfish and empathy lacking assholes walking the earth. 

 

[Biff Tannen 45687]

1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

In 3 words, no and no.  Literally the opposite.  It is just as much our problem and yes we do have the responsibility.  Welcome to the world, post WW2.

@Earl Haffler Why does that get a neg?  You can disagree I guess, but at least state why and back up your position.

[atomheartbevo 89671]

1 hour ago, Earl Haffler said:

In a phrase, the Ukraine is not as much our problem as Europe's.  The US does not have a responsibility to address crime, genocide, etc around the world.  Especially if we can't pay for it.  If the EU wants to step up and help their neighbor, then they can go for it.  I feel the same way about NATO.  Every member should pay in it in proportion to their GDP, rather than the US carrying the load.  Now if we can get rid of the welfare freeloaders here and generate some free cash, then let's talk.

Do you think we have such a massive fucking navy and such an advanced air force because we think they look cool?

We have them in part because after WWII, we realized that we need as stable of an overall world as possible for American businesses to thrive around the globe, and we didn't want another world war (which would have been the second after the War to end War.  While I'm oversimplifying, our larger conflicts such as Korea and Vietnam (and our lesser ones in the Americas) were in part because we thought that if we didn't slow down the commies in those places, large areas would end up falling, or we would eventually tangle with the Soviets. Sure, we like to pretend we were defending freedom, but it was much economic as anything else (and not markets for our military toys, but actual markets that we buy resources from and sell finished goods to).

The US needs stability in Europe and Asia (and the Middle East and South America) in order for our own economy to function as relatively well as it does - We are the EU's largest trading partner.

Instability in Europe fucks with our markets, and if the Russians aren't stopped in Ukraine, then I believe Putin and his mouthpieces when they say they have plans for bordering countries such as Moldova, Poland, and the Baltics, and then instead of all of our teeth-gnashing over what weapons to send them, we are sending American men and women to die, as well as potentially escalating to actual nuclear war.

Edited January 9, 2023 by atomheartbevo

[Biff Tannen 45687]

3 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Do you think we have such a massive fucking navy and such an advanced air force because we think they look cool?

We have them in part because after WWII, we realized that we need as stable of an overall world as possible for American businesses to thrive around the globe.  While I'm oversimplifying, our larger conflicts such as Korea and Vietnam (and our lesser ones in the Americas) were in part because we thought that if we didn't slow down the commies in those places, large areas would end up falling. Sure, we like to pretend we were defending freedom, but it was much economic as anything else (and not markets for our military toys, but actual markets that we buy resources from and sell finished goods to).

The US needs stability in Europe and Asia (and the Middle East and South America) in order for our own economy to function as relatively well as it does - We are the EU's largest trading partner.

Instability in Europe fucks with our markets, and if the Russians aren't stopped in Ukraine, then I believe Putin and his mouthpieces when they say they have plans for bordering countries such as Moldova, Poland, and the Baltics, and then instead of all of our teeth-gnashing over what weapons to send them, we are sending American men and women to die, as well as potentially escalating to actual nuclear war.

[Huckleberry 32861]

2 hours ago, Earl Haffler said:

In a phrase, the Ukraine is not as much our problem as Europe's.  The US does not have a responsibility to address crime, genocide, etc around the world.  Especially if we can't pay for it.  If the EU wants to step up and help their neighbor, then they can go for it.  I feel the same way about NATO.  Every member should pay in it in proportion to their GDP, rather than the US carrying the load.  Now if we can get rid of the welfare freeloaders here and generate some free cash, then let's talk.

You are a very stupid person. 

[Gatorubet 30239]

13 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Instability in Europe fucks with our markets, and if the Russians aren't stopped in Ukraine, then I believe Putin and his mouthpieces when they say they have plans for bordering countries such as Moldova, Poland, and the Baltics, and then instead of all of our teeth-gnashing over what weapons to send them, we are sending American men and women to die, as well as potentially escalating to actual nuclear war.

Earl - “ This does what to my 401(k)? “

[atomheartbevo 89671]

7 hours ago, Earl Haffler said:

In a phrase, the Ukraine is not as much our problem as Europe's.  The US does not have a responsibility to address crime, genocide, etc around the world.  Especially if we can't pay for it. 

5 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

Earl - “ This does what to my 401(k)? “

I'd toss in that if we don't support Ukraine against Russia, that's 10% of the world wheat market (40% of the World Food Program's wheat distribution), 15% of the corn market, and 13% of the barley market, that we are handing over to Russia.

That means Russia would control 30% of the world's wheat, 20% of the world's corn, and 60% of the world's sunflower oil.

Earl bitches when his food goes up a bit in price, and giving Russia control over 30% of the world's wheat and 20% of the world's corn is going to mean that Earl is paying a shitload more.  And it's going to fuck with American markets, which will fuck Earl's 401(k).  

And it's going to cause food instability in Central/South America, which is going to send more brown people to the American border, which Earl will incorrectly blame whoever Fox News tells him to.  And it's going to cause food instability in Africa and Asia, that will also fuck with American investments and markets, that also fucks Earl's 401(k).