CFP National Championship Game: #1 Georgia vs #3 TCU.

[Pam Cummings 9461]

1 hour ago, ClubWhatever said:

So Todd Monken is a great coach.

Herbstreit would not stfu about that guy. What was the deal there? Was there an over/under on how often he could randomly mention Todd Monken's name? A drinking game perhaps, and Herbie wanted everyone plastered?

Edited January 10, 2023 by Pam Cummings

[utee94 15726]

8 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Disagree.   When talking about a coach’s resume, bowl record almost always pops up

Oh people definitely talk about it.  People talk about lots of irrelevant stupid things.

But bowl games are, continue to be, and have always been, a poor metric for comparing relative conference strength.  It's simply too different from the regular season in preparation and stakes, to have any real meaning.

 

 

[wood 11076]

So how does this affect TCU going forward. My kid and I were talking about it earlier. Would you rather go to that game and get beat by damn near 60, or not make it to that game at all?

Not that I really care, because fuck the Roaches. Roaches suck.

[utee94 15726]

Just now, wood said:

So how does this affect TCU going forward. My kid and I were talking about it earlier. Would you rather go to that game and get beat by damn near 60, or not make it to that game at all?

Not that I really care, because fuck the Roaches. Roaches suck.

And they don't even have a conference trophy.  For me, that would make a difference in the way I view this team. But the fact is that they failed in both of the two games they played, when hardware was on the line.

 

 

[Surly Bevo 24664]

And they don't even have a conference trophy.  For me, that would make a difference in the way I view this team. But the fact is that they failed in both of the two games they played, when hardware was on the line.
 
 

They’ll always have this

[tbone_ 14014]

So how does this affect TCU going forward. My kid and I were talking about it earlier. Would you rather go to that game and get beat by damn near 60, or not make it to that game at all?
Not that I really care, because fuck the Roaches. Roaches suck.

I don’t think it affects them at all. They’re still a small school that punches above their weight in football and for some reason stokes odd irrational hatred from delusional Longhorn fans. No reason for any of that to change. They likely won’t get a shot like this for another 80 years or so but they’ll probably keep wearing out our entitled team on a regular basis until we flee.

[4th&Five 41361]

If that's Kirby's pre-game speech can you imagine what he says when a production assistant touches him before a game?

[utee94 15726]

3 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

 but they’ll probably keep wearing out our entitled team on a regular basis until we flee.

Eh, this is true of lots of teams, not just TCU.

[Hmbre97 6268]

So how does this affect TCU going forward. My kid and I were talking about it earlier. Would you rather go to that game and get beat by damn near 60, or not make it to that game at all?
Not that I really care, because fuck the Roaches. Roaches suck.

I think as far as reputation and recruiting goes, they either needed to keep it close-ish or lose a tight game against Michigan in the first round. The shine of making the title game is quickly tarnished by getting your shit pushed in with the whole cfb fandom watching, IMO. Especially with all the close games they played this year.

[PittsburghTiger 6099]

1 hour ago, Frank Drebin said:

They beat Michigan because of that overturned TD and two defensive scores

I don't understand that thinking. Pointing to a few plays and saying that is why someone lost is lame. Michigan has the ball inside the one. Don't fumble the ball. Yes, TCU returned two Michigan passes for INT TDs. Don't throw interceptions. The plays happened.

Don't run stupid plays and when they don't work don't say, "if that hadn't happened we would have won". It makes no sense. Every play matters. Every mistake matters.

"If we didn't throw those interceptions....."

Well, don't throw them.

TCU ran for over 260 yards and added three TDs, 77 more yards than Michigan. The first time this season Michigan had been outgained in rushing. Duggan also threw two INTs. Should we say that those caused the game to be closer than it should have been? TCU averaged 16 yards per reception with two TDs. TCU's defense had four sacks. Don't give up sacks. 

Three times Michigan was inside the TCU 5-yard line and came away with three points. 

Michigan deserved to lose and TCU deserved the victory.

[UTHornFan014 710]

Has Georgia scored again yet?

[MoJames 8240]

1 minute ago, Hmbre97 said:

I think as far as reputation and recruiting goes, they either needed to keep it close-ish or lose a tight game against Michigan in the first round. The shine of making the title game is quickly tarnished by getting your shit pushed in with the whole cfb fandom watching, IMO. Especially with all the close games they played this year.

Agree. If anything this helps us and OU recruit with the upcoming move to the SEC. Michigan game win won't be remembered. The absolute ass kicking last night will be on show for decades.

[markstanco 12455]

36 minutes ago, B00M said:

LSU fucks football players?

The staff does.

[Gatorubet 29914]

5 minutes ago, MoJames said:

Agree. If anything this helps us and OU recruit with the upcoming move to the SEC. 

It did not hurt Aggy recruiting.  What Aggy coaches did with those highly ranked recruits is an entirely different matter.

[Js1 84916]

3 minutes ago, markstanco said:

The staff does.

I thought they just fuck alongside the football players 

[Doc Daneeka 6768]

5 minutes ago, PittsburghTiger said:

I don't understand that thinking. Pointing to a few plays and saying that is why someone lost is lame. Michigan has the ball inside the one. Don't fumble the ball. Yes, TCU returned two Michigan passes for INT TDs. Don't throw interceptions. The plays happened.

Don't run stupid plays and when they don't work don't say, "if that hadn't happened we would have won". It makes no sense. Every play matters. Every mistake matters.

"If we didn't throw those interceptions....."

Well, don't throw them.

TCU ran for over 260 yards and added three TDs, 77 more yards than Michigan. The first time this season Michigan had been outgained in rushing. Duggan also threw two INTs. Should we say that those caused the game to be closer than it should have been? TCU averaged 16 yards per reception with two TDs. TCU's defense had four sacks. Don't give up sacks. 

Three times Michigan was inside the TCU 5-yard line and came away with three points. 

Michigan deserved to lose and TCU deserved the victory.

Here’s the thinking: When you win because of things that rarely happen and thus can’t relied upon for consistent success, it’s often seen as more of an anomaly than when you line up and beat someone’s ass up and down the field. That is not to say that the rare situations didn’t happen or that the plays weren’t made. They were and the team that made them gets the benefit of them, but they probably aren’t reproducible and probably wouldn’t happen in a rematch. 

Pick sixes are relatively rare. Two in the same game even more so. Having a good team get to your two and come away with no points is relatively rare. Twice in the same game even more so. All four in the same game? How many times is that going to happen and what are the odds you could do it again in a rematch?

You may not agree with that thinking, but outliers are a thing even while acknowledging that the beneficiary of those things helped create them. 

[Longboard Horn 39961]

[Fudge Nuggets 19085]

2 hours ago, utee94 said:

Even before opt-outs, bowl game results were a terrible way to attempt to measure relative conference strength.  There's a big difference between the way teams prepare for a bowl game, compared to the way teams prepare for regular season games.  Many coaches don't give a rat's ass about the bowl game results and simply use the extra practice time to prepare for the following year.  Many of the players have already checked out and moved on to the next thing on the priority list, even if they're not preparing for the NFL.  And then there's the holidays which tend to break training, and the banquet circuit which absolutely breaks training for those involved.  

It's always tempting to use the bowls as a measure, because we get a lot of intersectional games that we don't often get to see in the regular season.  But the disparity in the way various teams, coaches, and player choose to prepare for the bowls, makes them a poor metric.  Regular season matchups are a better metric, where the preparation and the stakes are more uniform from team to team. 

If that was the case you would see a lot more randomness in the bowl game records between conferences.  But over the last shit ton of years the SEC consistently does better than most if not all other conferences.  Imagine how much ass they would kick if “they wanted to be there”, or maybe it’s the other schools that “don’t want to be there”.

[wood 11076]

27 minutes ago, Hmbre97 said:

I think as far as reputation and recruiting goes, they either needed to keep it close-ish or lose a tight game against Michigan in the first round. The shine of making the title game is quickly tarnished by getting your shit pushed in with the whole cfb fandom watching, IMO. Especially with all the close games they played this year.
 

This is almost exactly what I was telling my kid.

[Sbbruin 21638]

And sorry Dabo.  Kirby is now seated at the right hand of Lord Saban.

[Js1 84916]

2 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

If that was the case you would see a lot more randomness in the bowl game records between conferences.  But over the last shit ton of years the SEC consistently does better than most if not all other conferences.  Imagine how much ass they would kick if “they wanted to be there”, or maybe it’s the other schools that “don’t want to be there”.

SEC also picks and chooses their matchups in bowl season 

[MirrOlure 14528]

Yes.

TCU now has the distinction of suffering the 1st and tied for 2nd worst blow outs in bowl history.

The only Fort Worth Classic took place on Jan. 1, 1921, as Centre beat TCU 63-7 in front of 9,000 fans. Centre finished 8-2 in the 1920 season.

So….I’m wondering if our 70-7 ‘05 Big XII win over CU was the most lopsided in college postseason history?

[wood 11076]

3 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:

And sorry Dabo.  Kirby is now seated at the right hand of Lord Saban.

[Longboard Horn 39961]

[Surly Bevo 24664]

2 minutes ago, MirrOlure said:

So….I’m wondering if our 70-7 ‘05 Big XII win over CU was the most lopsided in college postseason history?

Probably...and it was 70-3, and we had that 70 halfway through the 3Q.  

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tomlayberger/2018/11/16/five-of-the-most-lopsided-college-football-conference-championship-games/?sh=13070a725aff

Edited January 10, 2023 by Surly Bevo

[Guadaloopy 10845]

5 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:

And sorry Dabo.  Kirby is now seated at the right hand of Lord Saban.

By the Sith Rule of Two, Kirby must now assassinate Dabo.

[Surly Bevo 24664]

Just now, Guadaloopy said:

By the Sith Rule of Two, Kirby must now assassinate Dabo.

I think Kirby has his sights set on Palpatine

[Fudge Nuggets 19085]

13 minutes ago, Js1 said:

SEC also picks and chooses their matchups in bowl season 

Sure aggy ducked Texas in the Texas Bowl or whatever way back when, but for the most part...

[immamac 42275]

I personally thought it was unsportsmanlike to take the foot off the gas and put backups in in the national championship. They should have beat them 100-7.

[TexArcher 37357]

49 minutes ago, MoJames said:

Agree. If anything this helps us and OU recruit with the upcoming move to the SEC. Michigan game win won't be remembered. The absolute ass kicking last night will be on show for decades.

Yep, and the booth pointed that out last night.  That game fuels the argument that the left-behinds won't be able to compete in the new world.

A bunch of schools will bust their ass to win their conference and make the expanded playoff, telling themselves why they can actually go deep, only to get their pants pulled down on national tv like we saw last night when they run into Georgia, Bama, Ohio State, USC, eventually Texas, etc.  After a handful of years, that should just about permanently keep those left-behinds from getting anything more than 3-stars.

I mean, I guess they'll always have the playing time argument.  But that's it.  You want to win, you go to the B1G or the SEC.

Edited January 10, 2023 by TexArcher

[1leggedduck 443]

I rewatched some of the TCU/Michigan game before the National Blowout and TCU was more physical than M. They handled their assignments and they got helmets on people far better than M did. That works well until you start trying to put your helmets on guys who are future NFL players. Then you get your ass kicked.

[Guest]

A TCU team goes from 5-7 to losing in the national championship game and y'all are trying to paint it that maybe they'd been better off not going. Lol.

[Magus Ossis 2751]

1 hour ago, Sbbruin said:

I just heard this was the most lopsided score in the history of any bowl game ever.  Is that possible?  Seems so.

CCGs don't count as bowl games, but there was one circa 2005 that was even worse/ better.

[sith_horn 2327]

20 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

I think Kirby has his sights set on Palpatine

[Cajun 11659]

2 hours ago, Duane Moore said:

Have you psychologically blocked out UH in 1988 with Andre Ware? The Rotten Bowl against Miami? Rout 66? A few of Mack’s efforts against OU?

 

Nope.  Miami Cotton Bowl was up there, but in a gam for everything, the freaking National Championship, I’ve never seen anything like last night.

The stage is factored into my comment.

5 hours ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

Uhhh, yeah you have.

Not on that stage.  Not ever.

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

5 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

A TCU team goes from 5-7 to losing in the national championship game and y'all are trying to paint it that maybe they'd been better off not going. Lol.

I don’t think that game benefited their program in any way.

[sith_horn 2327]

3 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

A TCU team goes from 5-7 to losing in the national championship game and y'all are trying to paint it that maybe they'd been better off not going. Lol.

Sounds logical until you consider that they got completely assraped, mudholed and humiliated. And as others pointed out, don't even have conference hardware to show for it. They could have at least looked like they should be there for the big dance.

TCU's new school song ... play it for the 'croots

 

[hook me 2039]

1 hour ago, wood said:

So how does this affect TCU going forward. My kid and I were talking about it earlier. Would you rather go to that game and get beat by damn near 60, or not make it to that game at all?

Not that I really care, because fuck the Roaches. Roaches suck.

depends on the alternatives. Lose the championship ugly or catch a beating in the Alamo Bowl or forfeit the bowl or go 5-7 & not make a bowl? I'd prefer the NC beatdown in that scenario. There aren't many scenarios where I wouldn't want to be playing for the NC over much of anything else even though the 60 point beat down would not leave me feeling great. 

We went 5-7 last year just like TCU, would you have preferred their 13-2 season or our 8-5 season?

[Wally Pryor 5217]

Didn't realize how young Georgia is. Just 5 seniors on its 55-man two deep roster. You'll see some junior attrition via the draft or portal but that's still a hellaciously young team.

[TexArcher 37357]

5 minutes ago, hook me said:

We went 5-7 last year just like TCU, would you have preferred their 13-2 season or our 8-5 season?

Well, I haven't murdered anyone today, so I don't have to go to prison.

Thanks, Sark?

[Doc Daneeka 6768]

2 minutes ago, hook me said:

depends on the alternatives. Lose the championship ugly or catch a beating in the Alamo Bowl or forfeit the bowl or go 5-7 & not make a bowl? I'd prefer the NC beatdown in that scenario. There aren't many scenarios where I wouldn't want to be playing for the NC over much of anything else even though the 60 point beat down would not leave me feeling great. 

We went 5-7 last year just like TCU, would you have preferred their 13-2 season or our 8-5 season?

Depends. Is the 13-2 a fluke where you regress to a .500 team? Would you have preferred Baylor’s previous season given how this season went? Is the 8-5 a step toward 10-3 toward more or is it another in a string of mediocre seasons? Ideally, you don’t trade one year of lightning in a bottle for building a better foundation, but there’s no way to know whether either is true at this point. 

In retrospect, if I were a TCU fan, I’d rather lose a street brawl to Michigan to validate that we belonged rather than win it and then become a punchline. We don’t get to operate in retrospect, though. 

[Longboard Horn 39961]

 

[hook me 2039]

21 minutes ago, Doc Daneeka said:

Depends. Is the 13-2 a fluke where you regress to a .500 team? Would you have preferred Baylor’s previous season given how this season went? Is the 8-5 a step toward 10-3 toward more or is it another in a string of mediocre seasons? Ideally, you don’t trade one year of lightning in a bottle for building a better foundation, but there’s no way to know whether either is true at this point. 

In retrospect, if I were a TCU fan, I’d rather lose a street brawl to Michigan to validate that we belonged rather than win it and then become a punchline. We don’t get to operate in retrospect, though. 

If you're asking for the direction of a program then you're changing the argument. I'd rather go 5-7, 8-5, 10-3, 11-2 & settle in 12-1 land for eternity, but since we don't get to really plan out the next 5 years I'd 100% take a flash in the pan-type season & then hope our coaches can parlay that success into future success as opposed to watching coaches be completely unsuccessful for 3 years & piss away any hint of success at the first opportunity. Baylor won a Big 12 championship last year which we haven't done in 14ish years. They also won their NYE6 bowl which is a combination we haven't accomplished since 2005 when we won the NC. Yeah, I think I'd take that & then have a return to earth for a season opposed to scratching out an 8th win before getting handled in the Alamo Bowl. But that's just my preference & I can certainly understand those who'd prefer to not be on the opposite end of that kind of beatdown. 

[Doc Daneeka 6768]

6 minutes ago, hook me said:

If you're asking for the direction of a program then you're changing the argument. I'd rather go 5-7, 8-5, 10-3, 11-2 & settle in 12-1 land for eternity, but since we don't get to really plan out the next 5 years I'd 100% take a flash in the pan-type season & then hope our coaches can parlay that success into future success as opposed to watching coaches be completely unsuccessful for 3 years & piss away any hint of success at the first opportunity. Baylor won a Big 12 championship last year which we haven't done in 14ish years. They also won their NYE6 bowl which is a combination we haven't accomplished since 2005 when we won the NC. Yeah, I think I'd take that & then have a return to earth for a season opposed to scratching out an 8th win before getting handled in the Alamo Bowl. But that's just my preference & I can certainly understand those who'd prefer to not be on the opposite end of that kind of beatdown. 

I'm not changing the argument because seasons don't occur in a vacuum. That's like "Hey, look at this great stock I picked this year! Up 75% and yours is only up 8%!" Let's ignore that the stock tanked the next and lost the gains while I only got 8% again.

If all you're asking is "Ignore the whys and the processes and what's going on at the two places is 12-3 better than 8-5?" Well, yeah. That's a trivial question. The more fundamental question is would you swap the 8-5 team's status for the 12-3 one's? I wouldn't swap programs or rosters with TCU.

[D3zii 3622]

College football is like the Bermuda Triangle’. Just proves Teenage kids are something! 
 

How does A Michigan team that ran over Ohio State in the Shoe at that, lose to a TCU team that was thrashed by a UGA team that was a missed FG away from not even being there to this same Ohio State team!! 
 

Georgia was just on one last night 
 

[markstanco 12455]

2 hours ago, Js1 said:

I thought they just fuck alongside the football players 

I stand corrected after re-reading the thread. 

[Tex Pete 20094]

5 hours ago, TexasMan said:

NSIAP 

 

Kirby's mother may need to wash his mouth out with soap. That language was a little rude.

[gofuckyourself 8071]

2 hours ago, Surly Bevo said:

They’ll always have this

TCU won my fantasy football league?

[A-Tex Devil 2441]

This is Nebraska Florida 1996, ultimately, except people thought Florida could win that game.  

Notwithstanding talent where there was already a huge gap, Georgia’s offensive scheme is a horrible matchup for TCU’s defense more than others.  
 

Matchups are real. Texas beat Georgia largely because Texas that year was horrible defending misdirection and spread offenses and Georgia was pro style and down the middle.  We won. That Georgia offense was a great matchup for our defense.  
 

Still, TCU got gigged early and didn’t wake up.  As well as they were prepared for Michigan, they were just happy to be there for Georgia and that’s on Dykes and his staff.  I was thinking 38-13 or something like that.  And I think most of the time when the avalanche/snowball effect of championship momentum isn’t coming into play, that’s probably the right score between these teams.  Still a huge gap. 
 

 

[Creasy Bear 665]

4 hours ago, MoJames said:

Nah Sark doesn't sleep with fat chicks.

Sark is a fat chick.