2023 Houston Texans Offseason - A Huge #2

[Murfdogg21 4,412]

He offers an interesting scenario that if Wilson slips, Texans could go Anderson/Wilson and DL goes from a weakness to a super strength. 
 

Still need a QB and WR though. 

[LTtxfan 49,151]

20 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said:

Watch them draft Wilson and Skoronski, and we'll collectively lose our GD minds. 

 

[LTtxfan 49,151]

Texans need at least 7 players from this 2023 draft to earn roster spots unless Texans package multiple picks to move up.  I like the idea of improving both of their lines early in this draft... 

 

Currently 12 picks:

[tx 3 putt 76,883]

I like : 

# 2 Anderson 

#12 The tenn qb 

[LTtxfan 49,151]

9 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

I like :  # 2 Anderson, #12 The tenn qb 

Unless it's Stroud at #2, Texans don't necessarily have to take a QB in the 1st Rd unless they trade in for a late 1st Rd spot to select a QB and get a 5th yr option... 

 

Edited April 27, 2023 by LTtxfan

[tx 3 putt 76,883]

That 5 year contract is huge

[tx 3 putt 76,883]

I’m just glad it’ll finally be over 😂😂😂

[LTtxfan 49,151]

2 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

I’m just glad it’ll finally be over 😂😂😂

I love all this stuff leading up to the Draft 😋

[tx 3 putt 76,883]

16 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

I love all this stuff leading up to the Draft 😋

the best G/C with their third pic 

 

it’s all fun, but it over takes Houston sports radio 

[LTtxfan 49,151]

"2023 NFL Draft rumors: Why Texans might leave Round 1 without a quarterback despite owning two top-12 picks"

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2023-nfl-draft-rumors-why-texans-might-leave-round-1-without-a-quarterback-despite-owning-two-top-12-picks/

[tx 3 putt 76,883]

or top WR with the third pick probably makes more sense 

[LTtxfan 49,151]

Some can't miss options... Bijan and Will Anderson are on the list.

https://www.nfl.com/news/2023-nfl-draft-who-is-the-can-t-miss-prospect

[Bevo 13,574]

I still think Anderson #2, tOSU or Tenn. Tackle #12 and then the Tenn WR.

[LTtxfan 49,151]

1 minute ago, Bevo said:

I still think Anderson #2, tOSU or Tenn. Tackle #12 and then the Tenn WR.

If that Tenn WR (Hyatt) still available early 2nd, that's likely to be good value.  Hendon Hooker may be considered in Rd 2 as well if he's there.

#Cowboys WR Coach Prince Talking to Jalin Hyatt -“I can run routes...we’ll see.”

[TheContractor 70]

Why do someof you feel Anderson is a cant miss prospect? Watch him vs good OTs, he is neutralized. He hustles well and is athletic but >1/2 scks came vs lower league teams. OLs needed to account for other players also. Watch his film vs Texas, Lsu, Tenn. He could not beat their tackles 1on1. Not saying he is a bust but top 5 is a huge stretch imo. 

[Harrison Stafford 3,335]

2 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

I love all this stuff leading up to the Draft 😋

Me too.  We’re sick people.  Very sick people 

[Murfdogg21 4,412]

14 minutes ago, TheContractor said:

Why do someof you feel Anderson is a cant miss prospect? Watch him vs good OTs, he is neutralized. He hustles well and is athletic but >1/2 scks came vs lower league teams. OLs needed to account for other players also. Watch his film vs Texas, Lsu, Tenn. He could not beat their tackles 1on1. Not saying he is a bust but top 5 is a huge stretch imo. 

In summary, the 2023 draft class blows and if you hold a top 10 pick this year, sorry!

[LTtxfan 49,151]

11 minutes ago, TheContractor said:

Why do someof you feel Anderson is a cant miss prospect? Watch him vs good OTs, he is neutralized. He hustles well and is athletic but >1/2 scks came vs lower league teams. OLs needed to account for other players also. Watch his film vs Texas, Lsu, Tenn. He could not beat their tackles 1on1. Not saying he is a bust but top 5 is a huge stretch imo. 

You bring up good points.  He does have some areas he needs to get better.  

Anderson seems to have a high floor, but his upside ceiling may not be as high as you would expect for the #2 pick in the Draft.  He's a hard worker that's dependable though, and a great teammate.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/will-anderson-jr./3200414e-4462-7364-511f-d68d330a6780

 

[TheContractor 70]

Just now, LTtxfan said:

You bring up good points.  He does have some areas he needs to get better.  

Anderson seems to have a high floor, but his upside ceiling may not be as high as you would expect for the #2 pick in the Draft.  He's a hard worker that's dependable though, and a great teammate.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/will-anderson-jr./3200414e-4462-7364-511f-d68d330a6780

 

Agree on all your points. he isnt bad, just expect more from top 5 pick. I would trade back if Houston. Much value in Bijan at 12, JSN, 2-3 OT, CBs. Rack up a 1st next year and more 2nd rounders. Many good ILBs, safeties, DTs, of WR falls with value in 2-3 rounds. 

[MonkeyDoughnut 10,232]

Figure out who you like as QB and pick him #2.... Texans QB depth currently:

Davis Mills, Case Keenum, EJ Perry

 

To me there is enough difference between guys 1-3 and 4-6 that you can't risk missing one of the top three.

 

[TheContractor 70]

30 minutes ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

Figure out who you like as QB and pick him #2.... Texans QB depth currently:

Davis Mills, Case Keenum, EJ Perry

 

To me there is enough difference between guys 1-3 and 4-6 that you can't risk missing one of the top three.

 

What if you dont like any. Cant waste a #2 overall pick on someone you have graded in 2nd round. Trade or find a QB somewhere else. Trade for a 1 year rental. Make the team better for 2024 when you do draft someone high. 

[Saint Tacky 1,614]

3 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

#12 The tenn qb 

That's way too high for Hendon Hooker. His value is the late first or second round. His average draft position is around 33.  Under ordinary circumstances, the value of the 12th pick is roughly twice the value of the 33rd pick.

[Bevo 13,574]

1 hour ago, TheContractor said:

Agree on all your points. he isnt bad, just expect more from top 5 pick. I would trade back if Houston. Much value in Bijan at 12, JSN, 2-3 OT, CBs. Rack up a 1st next year and more 2nd rounders. Many good ILBs, safeties, DTs, of WR falls with value in 2-3 rounds. 

That’s how you end up with busts. Good production at a major level and hard worker will never bust.

[TonyTexas 10,509]

8 minutes ago, Saint Tacky said:

That's way too high for Hendon Hooker. His value is the late first or second round. His average draft position is around 33.  Under ordinary circumstances, the value of the 12th pick is roughly twice the value of the 33rd pick.

Nobody here or in the media knows a fraction as much about the players as the teams do. Their abilities, character, scheme and roster fit. That’s why I seldom bitch about a pick. Unless the team ignores value. Reaching drives me nuts. Even if a team is drafting a player at an appropriate spot according to their draft board, they must take into account where that player might fall on the other 31 teams’ boards and maneuver accordingly. 

[Ignatius 4,017]

5 hours ago, Murfdogg21 said:

He offers an interesting scenario that if Wilson slips, Texans could go Anderson/Wilson and DL goes from a weakness to a super strength. 
 

Still need a QB and WR though. 

If that were to play out they should go the full nine and take Mazi Smith in the 2nd round to anchor the middle. Brand new, high-ceiling DL on rookie deals for (at least) the next four years…

[MonkeyDoughnut 10,232]

42 minutes ago, TheContractor said:

What if you dont like any. Cant waste a #2 overall pick on someone you have graded in 2nd round. Trade or find a QB somewhere else. Trade for a 1 year rental. Make the team better for 2024 when you do draft someone high. 

True enough, I just see other teams grabbing them early and the Texans looking back going why didn't we have them rated higher when one or more of them pan out. Be shocked if 3 or more Qbs aren't taken in first 10 picks.

[TheContractor 70]

43 minutes ago, Bevo said:

That’s how you end up with busts. Good production at a major level and hard worker will never bust.

Will have to disagree on good production in college and high effort will lead to NFL success. 

[Zeus 6,017]

Trade down and stack the fuck out of picks, draft defense and OL.

Suck again but grab your offensive skill players next couple drafts when you have team of big uglies that are experienced. 

I don't see why teams are so quick to get QBs and WRs when they suck. Get offensive linemen so you can run the fucking ball and get a defense so you can get a stop when you need it. 

[TheContractor 70]

8 minutes ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

True enough, I just see other teams grabbing them early and the Texans looking back going why didn't we have them rated higher when one or more of them pan out. Be shocked if 3 or more Qbs aren't taken in first 10 picks.

There will be at least 2 QBs in top5 and likely 3 i top 10 but thats isnt always the right decision. If you arnt sure on a QB, i dont think its worth drafting him just bc its the most important position. Draft someone better, who you think will be a really good nfl player,will help you team and get your QB another place another time another way. 

[TheContractor 70]

2 minutes ago, Zeus said:

Trade down and stack the fuck out of picks, draft defense and OL.

Suck again but grab your offensive skill players next couple drafts when you have team of big uglies that are experienced. 

I don't see why teams are so quick to get QBs and WRs when they suck. Get offensive linemen so you can run the fucking ball and get a defense so you can get a stop when you need it. 

I agree with this way of doing a draft. When you suck like the texans, they need 17+ starting positions, draft an all pro at any of those positions. 

[HtownHorn 14,674]

1 hour ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

Figure out who you like as QB and pick him #2.... Texans QB depth currently:

Davis Mills, Case Keenum, EJ Perry

 

To me there is enough difference between guys 1-3 and 4-6 that you can't risk missing one of the top three.

 

But why? None of the QBs are good. Why waste a pick on a team with very little talent on a guy you will likely be replacing in 3-4 years. Just because QB is a need doesn't mean you waste a pick to get it. There is plenty of value at the position on the 2nd and 3rd days when you have multiple picks you can use to take a flier. You can't take a chance on one of the first three picks. The Texans should be considering players with the high floors, because they need all three to be starters next year.

[HtownHorn 14,674]

16 minutes ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

True enough, I just see other teams grabbing them early and the Texans looking back going why didn't we have them rated higher when one or more of them pan out. Be shocked if 3 or more Qbs aren't taken in first 10 picks.

You also have to consider the talent on other teams compared to the Texans. If the Texans had a good OL and skill talent, they could take a chance on the QB.  The Texans are shit at both, so you are setting up a young QB for absolute failure where other teams are not.

[MonkeyDoughnut 10,232]

10 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

But why? None of the QBs are good. Why waste a pick on a team with very little talent on a guy you will likely be replacing in 3-4 years. Just because QB is a need doesn't mean you waste a pick to get it. There is plenty of value at the position on the 2nd and 3rd days when you have multiple picks you can use to take a flier. You can't take a chance on one of the first three picks. The Texans should be considering players with the high floors, because they need all three to be starters next year.

Yeah, I'm in the camp that both Young and Stroud are guys who don't suck so definitely weighs on my thoughts.

[HtownHorn 14,674]

7 minutes ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

Yeah, I'm in the camp that both Young and Stroud are guys who don't suck so definitely weighs on my thoughts.

I should have clarified. I like Young, I think he's the only QB that I would take in the 1st round.

[Ignatius 4,017]

If we took Anderson at #2 I’d be fine with Richardson at #12. There, I said it….

[Bevo 13,574]

33 minutes ago, TheContractor said:

Will have to disagree on good production in college and high effort will lead to NFL success. 

A friend of mine who was friends with Kenneth Sims and played in the NFL for a number of years said, "In the NFL, everyone is a great athlete. What separates players is their work ethic." It makes a lot of sense. Do drugs, don't study the playbook or your opponent, skip leg day and get nowhere. Focus on football and you will succeed.

[Murfdogg21 4,412]

21 minutes ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

Yeah, I'm in the camp that both Young and Stroud are guys who don't suck so definitely weighs on my thoughts.

Stroud is apparently stupid so you shouldn’t build your offense upon that rock. 

[TonyTexas 10,509]

2 minutes ago, Ignatius said:

If we took Anderson at #2 I’d be fine with Richardson at #12. There, I said it….

I totally agree. That would be a good balance of sure thing and high upside gamble. 

[Rockethorn1978 6,072]

I’m on board with anything that’s not taking a qb. Whether that’s taking anderson at 2 or trading back for more picks and getting lineman on both sides of the ball. I’m hoping the front office is letting our new coach form a team around what he wants to do. 

[Harrison Stafford 3,335]

16 minutes ago, Ignatius said:

If we took Anderson at #2 I’d be fine with Richardson at #12. There, I said it….

[Murfdogg21 4,412]

Team Will Anderson + Bijan

[ChickenSandwich 9,830]

Just hope Bijan goes to a playoff team. His best years would be wasted by a team like the Texans 

[Saint Tacky 1,614]

My (pipe) dream draft -

[LTtxfan 49,151]

Don't remember exactly who I heard say this, great commentary that Texans might tilt their draft heavy on defensive and line of scrimmage players.  Put more focus on improving the offensive roster next year.  

(Might have been Daniel Jeremiah who said it)

[Scraps 13,561]

They gonna take Levis aren't they

[TheContractor 70]

2 minutes ago, Scraps said:

They gonna take Levis aren't they

if they do , they will be consistent.......consistent in drafting top 5 for 5+ years in a row

[Rip76 4,925]

25 minutes ago, Saint Tacky said:

My (pipe) dream draft -

This would be good.  Unfortunately BR won’t be there at 20.

[tx 3 putt 76,883]

32 minutes ago, Scraps said:

They gonna take Levis aren't they

he should wear #501

[Zeus 6,017]

1 hour ago, Ignatius said:

If we took Anderson at #2 I’d be fine with Richardson at #12. There, I said it….

Florida fan here, Richardson has all the talent in the world but is maybe 3 years of good coaching away from being an average NFL passer. He's just inaccurate and indecisive, hope I'm wrong but I never saw anything more than a great runner and good character from him. He's a playmaker, but not a good passer. When the windows get even tighter I think he will really struggle.

[Zeus 6,017]

37 minutes ago, Scraps said:

They gonna take Levis aren't they

Lol fuck the toxins hope they do