2023 Houston Texans Offseason - A Huge #2

[tx 3 putt 77,226]

Just now, Ignatius said:

How much cash do you want to bet on hiring McCown?

 

his prayer game is second to none 

[Dutchrudder 11,147]

1 hour ago, Js1 said:

It should have always been space themed.  Rockets, Astros, Comets....Texans.  Fucking dumb. 

I agree, it's a dumb name. The Apollos was a contender back when they were naming the team, and that was on theme for Houston teams. Toros was a contender too, which would still be feasible now given the logo and merchandise out there. Roughnecks, Rustlers, Stallions, Bobcats and Wildcatters were also suggested. Any of those would be superior to the generic Texans name IMO. 

[Chuckie Finster 22,702]

36 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

How have the Texan’s had four head coaches in four years?  That seems like a recipe for disaster at any level of football.  Did they really expect Lovie to do anything with the players they have and no decent free agents wanting to play there?  

It's even worse than that.  This new hire will be the Texans' FIFTH different head coach since October 2020.

[David Dennison 18,940]

10 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

I agree, it's a dumb name. The Apollos was a contender back when they were naming the team, and that was on theme for Houston teams. Toros was a contender too, which would still be feasible now given the logo and merchandise out there. Roughnecks, Rustlers, Stallions, Bobcats and Wildcatters were also suggested. Any of those would be superior to the generic Texans name IMO. 

It should be the Oilers. 

[Js1 85,449]

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

It should be the Oilers. 

Well it never will be.

So it should be something better than the Texans. 

[David Dennison 18,940]

Just now, Js1 said:

Well it never will be.

So it should be something better than the Texans. 

I actually don't mind Texans.

[hookemATL 11,801]

They should be called the Houston Lean with Fat Tony as the mascot.  Stands could include a "Drank Blvd" cheering section.  Jolly ranchers, sprite and codeine syrup available for purchase at the concession stands.

[tx 3 putt 77,226]

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

I actually don't mind Texans.

Same, just win 

[Murfdogg21 4,413]

15 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

How have the Texan’s had four head coaches in four years?  

This gets brought up as frequently as the Texans are mentioned by national media or people that haven’t been paying attention. Bill O’brien was deservedly fired. They hired Culley for two reasons (1. They knew they were tanking and needed a pep rally guy as a stop gap and Culley was generally well liked; 2. vain effort to make Watson happy by hiring an African American coach after not going with his choices for GM or Bieniemy as HC). It was stupid to fire Culley (and pay him almost $30m in guaranteed dead money). Lovie was always a stop gap because after the Flores lawsuit they thought they needed another African American and someone with more coaching experience than Flores. I don’t know why they fired Lovie when they still aren’t ready to compete, just like I don’t know why they fired Culley.

[hookemATL 11,801]

6 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

I actually don't mind Texans.

It is literally one letter away from just being the name of the city/state that the team is located.  Ive always thought that was dumb as fuck.

[Chuckie Finster 22,702]

1 minute ago, Murfdogg21 said:

This gets brought up as frequently as the Texans are mentioned by national media or people that haven’t been paying attention. Bill O’brien was deservedly fired. They hired Culley for two reasons (1. They knew they were tanking and needed a pep rally guy as a stop gap and Culley was generally well liked; 2. vain effort to make Watson happy by hiring an African American coach after not going with his choices for GM or Bieniemy as HC). It was stupid to fire Culley (and pay him almost $30m in guaranteed dead money). Lovie was always a stop gap because after the Flores lawsuit they thought they needed another African American and someone with more coaching experience than Flores. I don’t know why they fired Lovie when they still aren’t ready to compete, just like I don’t know why they fired Culley.

They fired Culley because they were (insanely) planning to hire McCown as the long-term option.  The Flores lawsuit spooked them and so they panic-hired Lovie at the 11th hour. 

[HtownHorn 14,754]

1 hour ago, Ignatius said:

How much cash do you want to bet on hiring McCown?

Around 0. That was Easterby's guy.

[HtownHorn 14,754]

21 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

They fired Culley because they were (insanely) planning to hire McCown as the long-term option.  The Flores lawsuit spooked them and so they panic-hired Lovie at the 11th hour. 

Flores had a better shot than McCown. He did get an interview, then he turned around and started suing everyone.

[HtownHorn 14,754]

29 minutes ago, Murfdogg21 said:

This gets brought up as frequently as the Texans are mentioned by national media or people that haven’t been paying attention. Bill O’brien was deservedly fired. They hired Culley for two reasons (1. They knew they were tanking and needed a pep rally guy as a stop gap and Culley was generally well liked; 2. vain effort to make Watson happy by hiring an African American coach after not going with his choices for GM or Bieniemy as HC). It was stupid to fire Culley (and pay him almost $30m in guaranteed dead money). Lovie was always a stop gap because after the Flores lawsuit they thought they needed another African American and someone with more coaching experience than Flores. I don’t know why they fired Lovie when they still aren’t ready to compete, just like I don’t know why they fired Culley.

They fired Lovie because he and Caserio did not get along. For instance, we drafted a man corner with our 1st pick and played him mostly in zone coverages, which has been pointed out by others. I also think Lovie went to Cal directly in a power play over Caserio and lost.

 

Caserio didn't hire either Culley or Smith, so if he's actually now in charge of the operations, then he should get to live and die with his choice.

Edited January 9, 2023 by HtownHorn

[Js1 85,449]

Yeah going around the GM to lobby for your job usually gets you fired 

[Brothahorn 10,087]

4 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

Flores had a better shot than McCown. He did get an interview, then he turned around and started suing everyone.

After seeing what McDaniels did with pre-concussion Tua, I'm not as sold on Flores anymore. And let's not forget he woke up Chan Gailey to be his OC.

 

Granted he is better than Lovie and Culley but it may have been a blessing in disguise.

Edited January 9, 2023 by Brothahorn

[Chuckie Finster 22,702]

4 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

Flores had a better shot than McCown. He did get an interview, then he turned around and started suing everyone.

If you believe Flores was anything other than a Rooney Rule candidate, then you have more faith in this front office than I do.

[HtownHorn 14,754]

Just now, Chuckie Finster said:

If you believe Flores was anything other than a Rooney Rule candidate, then you have more faith in this front office than I do.

I have no faith in this front office, but I also don't think for a second McCown was a serious candidate for the job.

[TejasPedro 1,858]

The Dallas Texans played in the National Football League (NFL) for one season, 1952, with a record of 1–11. The Texans are considered one of the worst teams in NFL history, both on and off the field, and while based in Dallas, they were later based in Hershey, Pennsylvania and Akron, Ohio during their only season.
 

Time is a flat circle.

[Saint Tacky 1,614]

3 hours ago, TejasPedro said:

Rename the Texans, that franchise is cursed. Houston needs to demand the Titans give up the Oilers Name.

Because "Oilers" isn't cursed, at all.

3 hours ago, TejasPedro said:

Rename the Texans, that franchise is cursed. Houston needs to demand the Titans give up the Oilers Name.

Because "Oilers" isn't cursed, at all.

 

[Reese Bennett 3,615]

I hate everything about the Texans but I hate Bud Adams way more.

[Ignatius 4,017]

1 hour ago, Murfdogg21 said:

This gets brought up as frequently as the Texans are mentioned by national media or people that haven’t been paying attention. Bill O’brien was deservedly fired. They hired Culley for two reasons (1. They knew they were tanking and needed a pep rally guy as a stop gap and Culley was generally well liked; 2. vain effort to make Watson happy by hiring an African American coach after not going with his choices for GM or Bieniemy as HC). It was stupid to fire Culley (and pay him almost $30m in guaranteed dead money). Lovie was always a stop gap because after the Flores lawsuit they thought they needed another African American and someone with more coaching experience than Flores. I don’t know why they fired Lovie when they still aren’t ready to compete, just like I don’t know why they fired Culley.

The smart thing to do (so of course it didn’t happen) would have been to hire Lovie instead of Culley, let him be the transition coach, and wind in the same place as today with better optics…

[Rip76 4,946]

For HC, do you take an offensive mind or a defensive mind?

[Brothahorn 10,087]

For HC, do you take an offensive mind or a defensive mind?

I prefer an offense guy. Especially if they plan on taking Young.

Defensive guys just seem to climax too early these days.

[Rip76 4,946]

Same

[Macklemore 2,873]

I have had major issues with the Texans HC candidates that they interviewed the past 2 years. Thought they really missed the mark by not even interviewing guys like Saleh, Bieniemy, Daboll, etc. and were looking at a pool of candidates that was not on the same level as what real teams were looking at (McCown, Hines Ward, Culley and Lovie). Looks like they are finally casting a proper search by interviewing young coaches running modern NFL schemes. They need to also talk to Harbaugh and Peyton and find out what it would take to land them. I’m thinking they’re not going to go after an established coach like those 2 because Caserio would be threatened by their credibility and clout as proven winners. I really like Ben Johnson a lot. His scheme is very creative and he did a great job getting Goff to play the best he had in his career. He has McVay potential.

Edited January 9, 2023 by Macklemore

[Updawg 2,279]

Those are good candidates but I think demeco already told them no
They will get to pick from whoever is left after all the other vacancies are filled

[Ignatius 4,017]

1 hour ago, Macklemore said:

I have had major issues with the Texans HC candidates that they interviewed the past 2 years. Thought they really missed the mark by not even interviewing guys like Saleh, Bieniemy, Daboll, etc. and were looking at a pool of candidates that was not on the same level as what real teams were looking at (McCown, Hines Ward, Culley and Lovie). Looks like they are finally casting a proper search by interviewing young coaches running modern NFL schemes. They need to also talk to Harbaugh and Peyton and find out what it would take to land them. I’m thinking they’re not going to go after an established coach like those 2 because Caserio would be threatened by their credibility and clout as proven winners. I really like Ben Johnson a lot. His scheme is very creative and he did a great job getting Goff to play the best he had in his career. He has McVay potential.

I have a hard time seeing Harbaugh or (especially) Payton signing up for a gutted-to-the studs rebuild, unlike what (say) Denver or Charlotte could offer.

I really like Johnson, he’s creative as hell. I’m actually OK with all 5 of those guys, though I’m partial to DeMeco purely because of what a badass he was when he played here…

Edited January 9, 2023 by Ignatius

[Dutchrudder 11,147]

Remember when Kyle Shanahan was our Offensive Coordinator and made Matt Schaub look like an above average QB?  Maybe it's time we give him a shot at Head Coach???  I be he would be really good at picking his own QB with the #2 pick.

Oh wait, he's busy being head coach of the 49ers, my mistake...

[HtownHorn 14,754]

2 hours ago, Macklemore said:

I have had major issues with the Texans HC candidates that they interviewed the past 2 years. Thought they really missed the mark by not even interviewing guys like Saleh, Bieniemy, Daboll, etc. and were looking at a pool of candidates that was not on the same level as what real teams were looking at (McCown, Hines Ward, Culley and Lovie). Looks like they are finally casting a proper search by interviewing young coaches running modern NFL schemes. They need to also talk to Harbaugh and Peyton and find out what it would take to land them. I’m thinking they’re not going to go after an established coach like those 2 because Caserio would be threatened by their credibility and clout as proven winners. I really like Ben Johnson a lot. His scheme is very creative and he did a great job getting Goff to play the best he had in his career. He has McVay potential.

This is a great list, and shows they may actually have a plan. Also, there is no way Harbaugh or Payton take the job unless they get full control.

[TonyTexas 10,518]

Ruh roh 

 

[Updawg 2,279]

Josh mccown come on down

[Macklemore 2,873]

1 hour ago, Updawg said:

Josh mccown come on down

McCown is not going to be interviewed. That ship has sailed and thankfully is not coming back. The Colts experiment that was complete failure with Jeff Saturday is also another nail in the coffin.

Edited January 10, 2023 by Macklemore

[Hate 20,128]

Im ok with Ryans but I wonder how much of the success he’s had is because of the roster in SF. I like the Ben Johnson path because he is imaginative and had everyone on that offense playing better than they ever had (as others have said as well). I hope they let whomever the coach is hire his own staff. I don’t want them forcing any coaches on the HC.

[tx 3 putt 77,226]

 

1 hour ago, TonyTexas said:

Ruh roh 

 

 

he looks very 'special needs' 

Edited January 10, 2023 by tx 3 putt

[tx 3 putt 77,226]

id be very ok with georgia or tcu qb (2nd round pick)

[Fico 1,790]

Lol naw

[Bevo 13,590]

I think I would name them the Houston OGs (for Oil and Gas) and put something like this on the helmet with a G below. Then use baby blue and a complimentary color to distinguish it from the old baby blue Oiler uniforms.

[Dutchrudder 11,147]

Oil Barons?

[elfenix 34,330]

4 hours ago, Dutchrudder said:

Remember when Kyle Shanahan was our Offensive Coordinator and made Matt Schaub look like an above average QB?  Maybe it's time we give him a shot at Head Coach???  I be he would be really good at picking his own QB with the #2 pick.

Oh wait, he's busy being head coach of the 49ers, my mistake...

after he wins the superbowl he needs to come back to his alma mater

[tx 3 putt 77,226]

 

[Harrison Stafford 3,335]

1 hour ago, Bevo said:

I think I would name them the Houston OGs (for Oil and Gas) and put something like this on the helmet with a G below. Then use baby blue and a complimentary color to distinguish it from the old baby blue Oiler uniforms.

Wildcatters.  The Houston Wildcatters.

[Murfdogg21 4,413]

Back in late 2000 I voted for Bayou City Hell Penguins as the nickname, and I stand by that. 

[Hate 20,128]

 

He’s not wrong. A Texans Super Bowl would be the city’s best sports achievement.

[Macklemore 2,873]

HELL YES! Get it done and get Sean Peyton here.

 

[Brothahorn 10,087]

#2 for Peyton and let him pick his GM?

[tx 3 putt 77,226]

9 minutes ago, Brothahorn said:

#2 for Peyton and let him pick his GM?

10000% give him full control. The gm reports to him 

and send cal on a long vacation. Make sure he takes his big box of crayons 

[MirrOlure 14,802]

On 1/9/2023 at 10:46 PM, Hate said:

He’s not wrong. A Texans Super Bowl would be the city’s best sports achievement.

I think 3 putt's point is that nobody can claim to know what it would be like if and when the Texans ever won anything of any signifcance.

Edited January 11, 2023 by MirrOlure

[Macklemore 2,873]

36 minutes ago, MirrOlure said:

I think 3 putt's point is that nobody can claim to know what it would be like if and when the Texans ever won anything of any signifcance.

Just getting to the Super Bowl would cause H-town to be on fire and with people going nuts. I have wanted to see my team in the Super Bowl. Figured I’d see it by now but am resigned I will never see it while I’m alive even though I’m middle aged. I would pay whatever it cost to see the Texans play in the Super Bowl. It would be a dream come true.

Edited January 11, 2023 by Macklemore

[MirrOlure 14,802]

I get it @Macklemore....and not that it really matters...because I know he's got to say something like  
 

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we got the Astros winning but it's nothing like when the Texans win

 

....but that is just plain stupid.  The City's ride through, and reaction to winning the 2022 World Series can't be surpassed in any circumstance....maybe equaled but not surpassed.  And to say its "nothing like" is just, well, stupid.  And trying to equate what the Texans have ever done in the past to what the Astros are currently doing, well I don't want to offend the retarded, so I'll just not comment on that....

Edited January 11, 2023 by MirrOlure