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  On 2/7/2023 at 2:33 AM, StassneyHorn said:

Let’s go Brandon
 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/chinese-spy-balloon-during-trump-biden-b2276504.html?
 

Biden offers to brief Trump team on Chinese spy balloons they failed to catch

Biden administration official reveals Trump officials weren’t even aware of China’s surveillance balloons at the time

 

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BTW, this should be the sole reference to the man in every article.

"the one-term, twice-impeached Mr Trump."

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  On 2/7/2023 at 3:47 PM, Poe It Up said:

This is my biggest issue with politicians, they never admit they fucked up. You let the balloon cross the country before blowing it up. That was dumb, but all we need to hear now is how it won’t happen again in the future. 

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That's what they chose to do. Why would they "admit they fucked up"? They didn't want to risk a shitload of debris falling from six miles up falling on people's heads. Had that happened, you'd be screaming bloody murder.

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  On 2/7/2023 at 3:57 PM, Red Five said:

That's what they chose to do. Why would they "admit they fucked up"? They didn't want to risk a shitload of debris falling from six miles up falling on people's heads. Had that happened, you'd be screaming bloody murder.

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Well, unless it landed on him. Maybe Biden did fuck up...

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  On 2/7/2023 at 3:57 PM, Red Five said:

That's what they chose to do. Why would they "admit they fucked up"? They didn't want to risk a shitload of debris falling from six miles up falling on people's heads. Had that happened, you'd be screaming bloody murder.

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Over Montana? Good lord, don’t tell me you believe that. 

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  On 2/7/2023 at 3:56 PM, 'stache said:

So just ignore that military leaders (including presumably the highest levels of intelligence) recommended against it, because you obviously know more than they do about the facts and circumstances. I though you guys loved and respected the military?

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Um, yes. I would definitely ignore such horrible advice. 

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Posted
  On 2/7/2023 at 4:27 PM, Poe It Up said:

It was a heart check and we got punked. Now the the question is do we stick up for ourselves or are we going to make our cellmate’s bed every morning. 

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I'm sorry, I don't know what that means. You think we elected to not shoot it down until it was over the ocean, for reasons other than the ones stated. Why?

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Lol. Internet dude knows more than 5 star generals on international relations. Also pretends that the part about having stopped it from broadcasting information before shooting it down was accomplished. And other idiot not pretending that the prior incidents under trump didn't actually happen, because best prezident evar tough guy. You people never cease to amaze me. (yes, "you people," as in you people).

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Posted
  On 2/7/2023 at 4:45 PM, RomaVicta said:

There it is. The appeal to the insecure teenage boy afraid of not looking tough

A balloon flies over the US and it's a gut-check. Why weren't we man enough to attack the balloon as soon as we saw it? We look soft! [FOX added to the hysteria by having guests speculate that maybe it had Covid germs!]

This pathetic hysteria would be the most minor of stories if not for this watery-boweled desire to embrace both fear and rage. It would likely just be an amusing story in a healthier republic. Now the fear- and hate- mongers (linked so we don't lose the precise meaning of the word and its aptness here) beat the drum to rouse the emo-badasses of the right.

Of course, CNN does their thing of talking about it endlessly and showing videos of the balloon while consulting political and military experts. Wall to wall coverage. 

It's a fucking balloon. If it presented a threat to the US by what it may have detected, we would have shot it down and taken our chances with the debris. China' intelligence capability is huge and does not rely on balloon observations of Montana.

Can we just try to grow up for a few hours? This is monumentally absurd.

I'm negging Poe for contributing to the distortion of what this trivial event clearly is. Fuck you. Thanks for your part in diminishing the hopes of the republic through dishonest and third-rate sophistry. Don't fall out of any windows, dickhead.

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This. Anyone crying about how a fucking balloon humiliates us has some seriously deep-seeded insecurities and should seek therapy.

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Posted
  On 2/7/2023 at 4:55 PM, Red Five said:

Of shooting down the ballon that we shot down? 

We heard in real time that we were waiting before it was over water before shooting it down. Then that happened. 

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Right, it needed to complete its mission because Montana was so densely populated. 

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Posted
  On 2/7/2023 at 4:52 PM, 'stache said:

Lol. Internet dude knows more than 5 star generals on international relations. 

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This is my entire take on the thing. To me, seems like it should have been shot down early, but I also know that I don't know shit about the situation.

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  On 2/7/2023 at 5:05 PM, Hookah Horns said:

Right, Montana is as desolate as the moon and there's no chance a huge chunk of debris hits a person. Fucking moron. 

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Even if there was only a 1% chance of it hitting anyone, why take the chance? It's a fucking balloon, it's not a threat. And to the extent we have any interest in actually inspecting any of the equipment it was carrying, there's probably a better chance of that shit surviving impact with water than the ground (though given the height it fell from, probably still not much of a chance).  

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  On 2/7/2023 at 5:05 PM, Hookah Horns said:

Right, Montana is as desolate as the moon and there's no chance a huge chunk of debris hits a person. Fucking moron. 

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I definitely think the "we don't want to shoot it down because of debris in a populated area" is a red herring. Montana has on average 8 people per square mile. Then it flies over the NE corner of Wyoming and western Nebraska. There's a lot of open space. Maybe they wanted to study its flight for more info. Like I said, I don't know shit. But given the flight path, debris hitting people doesn't hold water.

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  On 2/7/2023 at 5:10 PM, WhatTheBuck said:

Because outrage must be expressed over everything that Biden does. Period. Full stop. It really is that simple.

If he had shot the balloon down as soon as it crossed the Aleutians, they’d express outrage because he acted too quickly, it was a hostile act that escalated tensions with China, we didn’t know where it was going, it fell into deep, cold water where it would be harder to retrieve. (I don’t know how deep that water is, I’m just assuming it’s deeper than the 40-some feet where it is now.) If he had shot it down over Montana, they’d be outraged that Biden ignored the advice of his military advisers and unnecessarily put American lives and property at risk.

Joe Biden could cure cancer and they’d be outraged that he was putting a lot of doctors and drug makers out of work. It doesn’t matter what he does. They must express outrage over it. That’s the playbook. Hell, he doesn’t even have to do anything. He’s not taking away your gas stove but they’re outraged that he is. And they’re too stupid to learn that they’ve been duped when they see that he never came for their gas stoves. 

Thinking for themselves. 

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This is exactly right. If people wanted to talk about TDS, then BDS seems 10 times more powerful considering he hasn't pulled 1% of the stunts his predecessor did.

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  On 2/7/2023 at 5:13 PM, FirstTimeCaller said:

I definitely think the "we don't want to shoot it down because of debris in a populated area" is a red herring. Montana has on average 8 people per square mile. Then it flies over the NE corner of Wyoming and western Nebraska. There's a lot of open space. Maybe they wanted to study its flight for more info. Like I said, I don't know shit. But given the flight path, debris hitting people doesn't hold water.

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Maybe, but the right would’ve had a field day in the unlikely event that someone got hurt or something got damaged. I don’t doubt that his advisers counseled against shooting it down when he wanted to because it wasn’t a security threat. We can jam it’s signals and maybe we just don’t move our super secret weapons around out in the open when it’s flying overhead. Duh. I suppose there’s also the possibility of sightseers and souvenir collectors if you shoot it down over land

We’ve got divers retrieving the hardware that fell into the water. The FBI can reassemble a plane that blew up in the sky. I’m sure we can gain a lot of information from what crashed into the ocean off of this balloon. 

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Posted
  On 2/7/2023 at 5:13 PM, FirstTimeCaller said:

I definitely think the "we don't want to shoot it down because of debris in a populated area" is a red herring. Montana has on average 8 people per square mile. Then it flies over the NE corner of Wyoming and western Nebraska. There's a lot of open space. Maybe they wanted to study its flight for more info. Like I said, I don't know shit. But given the flight path, debris hitting people doesn't hold water.

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I don't really get how you get from your premise that it's unlikely to hit anyone to the conclusion that the risk of hitting anyone is a red herring. 

China spies on us all the time and they know where shit like our missile silos are. Preventing the Chinese from getting slightly more high res pics of them isn't worth the small risk of killing someone. What is so hard to understand about this? It's also likely that we left it up there to see what it was doing and what it was capable of doing. 

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  On 2/7/2023 at 5:11 PM, wildcat09 said:

Even if there was only a 1% chance of it hitting anyone, why take the chance? It's a fucking balloon, it's not a threat. And to the extent we have any interest in actually inspecting any of the equipment it was carrying, there's probably a better chance of that shit surviving impact with water than the ground (though given the height it fell from, probably still not much of a chance).  

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My understanding is this was the key to the decision to wait.  We wanted to recover the debris intact as much as possible to inspect it which means shallow water landing.   This is what intelligent professional adults do that spend a few brain cells thinking about the situation.  They don't just shoot at somethings soon as they see it.  They think about- 

a.  minimizing or eliminated threat of the object (jamming its ability to communicate).

b. possible negative consequences of shooting the object down at different locations.   

c.  possible benefits of subsequent actions after shooting the object down and how best to accomplish that goal. 

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Posted
  On 2/7/2023 at 5:16 PM, FirstTimeCaller said:

This is exactly right. If people wanted to talk about TDS, then BDS seems 10 times more powerful considering he hasn't pulled 1% of the stunts his predecessor did.

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Frankly I don’t think I’ve ever slammed Biden on here. I didn’t vote for the guy, but I’ve always viewed the president as our pilot and I always want my pilot to do well. 

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“Shoot it Cletus” is not the first action of a country with a singular brain cell.

Observe, study, feed it misleading info, find out who is responsible, see the data it’s collecting, jam it if possible, corner the responsible party into lying are all things that can be accomplished. Don’t blast it to smithereens when you can hope to use the same tech or replicate it

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Posted
  On 2/7/2023 at 5:48 PM, Hookah Horns said:

China spies on us all the time and they know where shit like our missile silos are. 

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It's public information.  Russia inspects our silos.  There are still active nuclear missile silos in Colorado, Wyoming, North Dakota, and Montana.

I grew up in Missouri, and until maybe 25 years ago the locations of active missile silos near Warrensburg were widely known, and indeed were used as landmarks:  "Head to the silo and then west for 4 miles", etc.

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It should go without saying but since the MAGA talking point of the day is to encourage shooting at things in the sky .....

 

The Science Of Why Firing Your Gun Up Into The Air Can Be Lethal

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2020/07/02/the-science-of-why-firing-your-gun-up-into-the-air-can-be-lethal/?sh=4f906bbeff65

 

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Posted
  On 2/7/2023 at 6:19 PM, WhatTheBuck said:

JFC, Paul, at least point the gun UP.

It’s like living with a six-year old.

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I mean look at these juvenile assclowns. Ten years ago this kind of stupid shit would have been considered beneath any of our elected officials except as some kind of joke on a personal account. 

Now this thing is on their official accounts and actually constitutes pandering to their voters. 

Posted
  On 2/7/2023 at 6:19 PM, WhatTheBuck said:

JFC, Paul, at least point the gun UP.

It’s like living with a six-year old.

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Just the fact that this is something that appeals to anyone is insane. Even if you are the staunchest 2nd amendment advocate, wouldn't you look at that and think "it's 60,000 feet up, moron. All you're going to do is 1) look like an idiot shooting at a target out of range and 2) run the risk of that bullet doing damage when it comes down."

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What I like is that as much as the GOP whines about the border they simply never actually present bills that could pass.

I also like the way the GOP whined incessantly about healthcare and how they had a better plan.  A plan that interestingly like the border plan, is a secret plan, never to allowed to be seen by the American public.

Now the GOP that spent more money with less results on their deficit creating monster called the 2017 Tax cuts and Jobs plan.  Only it didn't produce any more jobs than the economy they inherited.  In fact for all the borrowing... they never did create more jobs annually even after falling 560,000 jobs behind the Obama/Biden economy they took the helm of in 2017.  Two thirds of that tax cut ended up in the hands of the top couple percent.  Who simply did not need it.

Now you will not be allowed to see the GOP plan to decimate social security and put more common folks in the poor house... while preserving that tax cut for the wealthy. You see that tax cut that further concentrated more wealth into fewer hands is exactly what the GOP plan is.  Helping the average man and woman is just something for slogans, not for legislation.  

But it's always fun to see the endless delusion of the misinformed here.  But hey without disinformation and self delusion a thinking Republican would blow their fucking brains out at their stupidity.

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As mentioned on a previous page, Marty Walsh will be the first Cabinet secretary to depart.  25 months after Biden took office.  Talk about some good stability there.

He will be the Lead Negotiator for the NHLPA. Julie Su should be the front runner for the job as Deputy Labor Secretary and was one of the finalists for the main job. 



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