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  On 11/16/2023 at 2:01 AM, elfenix said:

granted i got out of the car 20 or so minutes ago so maybe something went off the rails but the real holy smokes was the first question (by the financial fucking times) asking if xi told biden when china would attack taiwan.

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I agree he got a couple of non-softball questions.

 

 

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  On 11/16/2023 at 2:01 AM, Incredulity said:

Trump is a fucking lunatic. Not that that has much to do with Joe’s inability to deliver a coherent response to reporters questions 

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I think you get an unfair rap on here.  I probably share more in common with you with regard to conservative values and sense of humor than either of us would care to admit.  But don't say that you think "Trump is a fucking lunatic."  You've voted for him, you've donated to him, and you'd blow him if given half the chance.  

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  On 11/16/2023 at 2:36 AM, YGIFS said:

admit.  But don't say that you think "Trump is a fucking lunatic."

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I’ve said it repeatedly.  The Leftists won’t accept anything but complete fealty to their neomarxist ideology.

  On 11/16/2023 at 2:36 AM, YGIFS said:

You've voted for him, you've donated to him, and you'd blow him if given half the chance.  

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I have my issues with the far left, as you do.  And fellatio jokes aside, and admittedly I don't know you in real life, but there is a less than 1% chance you didn't vote for Donald Trump.  This is fucking insane and you know it.  We're the only predominantly male, upper-middle class, mostly white/latino website in Texas (last I checked, a red state) who has like 6 outta 3,000 registered users who voted for Donald Trump.  C'mon man, we both know that's total bullshit.  I still think we have a lot in common humor-wise, but don't bullshit a bullshitter.  

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  On 11/16/2023 at 2:45 AM, YGIFS said:

I have my issues with the far left, as you do.  And fellatio jokes aside, and admittedly I don't know you in real life, but there is a less than 1% chance you didn't vote for Donald Trump.  This is fucking insane and you know it.  We're the only predominantly male, upper-middle class, mostly white/latino website in Texas (last I checked, a red state) who has like 6 outta 3,000 registered users who voted for Donald Trump.  C'mon man, we both know that's total bullshit.  I still think we have a lot in common humor-wise, but don't bullshit a bullshitter.  

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I never said I didn’t, I never said I did.

I refuse to play the purity test “who do you vote for” bullshit that the leftists here love.  My vote is none of your fucking business, just as yours is none of mine.

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  On 11/16/2023 at 2:55 AM, Incredulity said:

I never said I didn’t, I never said I did.

I refuse to play the purity test “who do you vote for” bullshit that the leftists here love.  My vote is none of your fucking business, just as yours is none of mine.

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So you voted for Trump twice and will again in 2024. Got it. Glad we confirmed that for about the 89th time.

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  On 11/16/2023 at 3:18 AM, aggie08 said:

So you voted for Trump twice and will again in 2024. Got it. Glad we confirmed that for about the 89th time.

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I’m sure it’s a “I’m not voting for Trump, I’m voting against senile communist Joe Biden. You made me vote for fascism! But everyone who voted for Biden only did it because they love him”

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  On 11/16/2023 at 1:38 AM, Incredulity said:

If you want to see the end of Biden’s presidency watch the Q and A going on right now.  Holy smokes 

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  On 11/16/2023 at 2:01 AM, Incredulity said:

Trump is a fucking lunatic. Not that that has much to do with Joe’s inability to deliver a coherent response to reporters questions 

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  On 11/16/2023 at 2:04 AM, Incredulity said:

I agree he got a couple of non-softball questions.

 

 

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  On 11/16/2023 at 2:41 AM, Incredulity said:

I’ve said it repeatedly.  The Leftists won’t accept anything but complete fealty to their neomarxist ideology.

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  On 11/16/2023 at 2:55 AM, Incredulity said:

I never said I didn’t, I never said I did.

I refuse to play the purity test “who do you vote for” bullshit that the leftists here love.  My vote is none of your fucking business, just as yours is none of mine.

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  On 11/16/2023 at 4:33 AM, Doc Sam Beckett said:

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What exactly are you saying dipshit? 

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What is so hard to understand? Blinken did not look happy that Biden called Xi a dictator. Whether you believe it is true or not, the timing of doubling down on it immediately after a summit meeting is poor. Especially after what I would assume were a lot of assurances and backpedaling on his previous remarks by his subordinates. It shows a lack of discipline and decorum at best, or a lack of awareness at worst.

 

There was another clip of him saying Israel was agreeing to a pause, then saying whoops I mightve said too much and addressing Blinken. Not Potus’ best showing. 

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  On 11/16/2023 at 5:35 AM, Boss Hogg said:

It shows a lack of discipline and decorum at best, or a lack of awareness at worst

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A lack of decorum? decorum? 

Biden could pull his pants down and take a shit on a picture of Xi and I wouldn’t give a fuck. In the context of voting, the bar has been set at democracy v fascism. 
 

 

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Posted (edited)
  On 11/16/2023 at 12:37 PM, SubliminalHorn said:

You voted for trump, anything you say or think is worthless 

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For the record that’s not how democracy works.  So the next time you’re pissing down your leg about, “saving democracy” try to be just a bit more self aware.

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  On 11/16/2023 at 5:35 AM, Boss Hogg said:

What is so hard to understand? Blinken did not look happy that Biden called Xi a dictator. Whether you believe it is true or not, the timing of doubling down on it immediately after a summit meeting is poor. Especially after what I would assume were a lot of assurances and backpedaling on his previous remarks by his subordinates. It shows a lack of discipline and decorum at best, or a lack of awareness at worst.

 

There was another clip of him saying Israel was agreeing to a pause, then saying whoops I mightve said too much and addressing Blinken. Not Potus’ best showing. 

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  On 11/16/2023 at 8:24 AM, Thetexashammer said:

He's got dementia now. When he was vice president, before he was demented, he took bribes from China. Does that clarify for you?

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  On 11/16/2023 at 12:35 PM, Incredulity said:

But, but, but Chip Roy!!!!

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Lulz id love to see the venn diagram of yalls outrage over this vs your outrage over when the last guy you voted for saluted a North Korean general in front of a communist dictator. 

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  On 11/16/2023 at 1:00 PM, Captainant said:

 

 

Lulz id love to see the venn diagram of yalls outrage over this vs your outrage over when the last guy you voted for saluted a North Korean general in front of a communist dictator. 

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Exactly.

”Our chief concern is whether our leaders show decorum to others and whether they display any evidence of mental illness!!”

—GOP voter 2023

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Posted
  On 11/16/2023 at 12:11 PM, GopherRock said:

 

 

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1) owned the libs

2) primal MAGA yells 

3) prevent the dems from doing anything to improve non-rich folks lives

4) take away access to needed programs that help the poor

oh yeah……how do GOP candidates get more than 10% of the nationwide vote again? 

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Decorum? Are GOP House members done trying to body slam and shoulder check each other and GOP Senators threatening to fight witnesses?

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  On 11/16/2023 at 5:28 AM, mchookem said:

i mean... is someone arguing he's not a dictator? we are talking about chinese China, right?

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  On 11/16/2023 at 5:51 AM, aggie08 said:

Wait, I thought Biden was in China's back pocket?

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Well, you see, with Republicans, Biden is not doing enough to stand up to China and to support Taiwan and he won't defend Taiwan, but then if he pushes for more funding for Taiwan or for closer ties with Taiwan, or legislation that helps encourage American companies to move some of their operations out of China, or calls Xi a dictator, then he's trying to get us in a war with China.

Because you see, this is what a proper leader does when faced with adversarial Asian leaders

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Democrat President

Republican Voters - What about the deficit? What about decorum? He wore a tan suit!

Republican President

Republican Voters - Tax cuts actually reduce the deficit. It's science. It's just a bit of minor treason. What's the big deal?

 

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I'm only going to say one thing about polling and then I'm probably done with it until summer.

It is bad. 

There's something completely broken with it right now, and I have a hunch it is non-response bias, but the opposite direction of 2020.  In 2020, more likely than not, Dem-leaning voters were staying home, avoiding COVID and were around to answer the phone. Hence why Biden had much better polling numbers than his 2020 results. 

2022 and 2023 and 2024? I just don't think Dems are answering the phone, period. Poll after poll showing Trump/GOP winning young voters, even against non-Biden candidates, and 1/3 of black voters?  Fundamentally wrong. It is not going to happen.  

Anecdotally, my AT&T spam app on my phone shows it has blocked 7 political calls in the last 5 days. I don't even get notification these were blocked, so I sure as hell am not going to answer them. They could be fundraising, they could be polling - either way, they're blocked and my phone doesn't even make a noise. 

Polling is just a tool - feed bad data in, you get bad data out of it.  2022 midterms + 2023 special elections are much more indicative of 2024 than polling.  It is a business that needs to just be put out to pasture. 

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Posted (edited)
  On 11/16/2023 at 2:52 PM, Js1 said:

I'm only going to say one thing about polling and then I'm probably done with it until summer.

It is bad. 

There's something completely broken with it right now, and I have a hunch it is non-response bias, but the opposite direction of 2020.  In 2020, more likely than not, Dem-leaning voters were staying home, avoiding COVID and were around to answer the phone. Hence why Biden had much better polling numbers than his 2020 results. 

2022 and 2023 and 2024? I just don't think Dems are answering the phone, period. Poll after poll showing Trump/GOP winning young voters, even against non-Biden candidates, and 1/3 of black voters?  Fundamentally wrong. It is not going to happen.  

Anecdotally, my AT&T spam app on my phone shows it has blocked 7 political calls in the last 5 days. I don't even get notification these were blocked, so I sure as hell am not going to answer them. They could be fundraising, they could be polling - either way, they're blocked and my phone doesn't even make a noise. 

Polling is just a tool - feed bad data in, you get bad data out of it.  2022 midterms + 2023 special elections are much more indicative of 2024 than polling.  It is a business that needs to just be put out to pasture. 

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NO ONE under 40 answers their phone, not even for people they know.  And they don’t respond to spam texts.  I am not sure how you accurately poll people under 40 but it isn’t over the phone or via email.  Most people in their 40s are the same way.  Polling via phone is only going to accurately gauge the over 50 vote.

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  On 11/16/2023 at 2:57 PM, Snake Diggity said:

NO ONE under 40 answers their phone, not even for people they know.  And they don’t respond to spam texts.  I am not sure how you accurately poll people under 40 but it isn’t over the phone or via email.  Most people in their 40s are the same way.  Polling via phone is only going to accurately gauge the over 50 vote.

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I would amend that to under 60.  My old job had a customer demo of mainly age 40-70 and it was like pulling teeth to get someone to answer a call.  Email or text?  A lot better.  Yet the higher ups couldn't understand it just kept wanting us to hammer people with calls.  

Meanwhile, in Europe, where they actually have laws about spam calls, they answer their phones all the time.  This is an American problem.

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  On 11/16/2023 at 3:10 PM, Biff Tannen said:

Meanwhile, in Europe, where they actually have laws about spam calls, they answer their phones all the time.  This is an American problem.

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FCC don't give a FUCK about protecting communications and forcing telcoms to actually implement the STIR/SHAKEN framework to prevent the rampant phone number spoofing that's really the main issue with the spam calls.

Good 'ol regulatory capture

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  On 11/16/2023 at 3:10 PM, Biff Tannen said:

I would amend that to under 60.  My old job had a customer demo of mainly age 40-70 and it was like pulling teeth to get someone to answer a call.  Email or text?  A lot better.  Yet the higher ups couldn't understand it just kept wanting us to hammer people with calls.  

Meanwhile, in Europe, where they actually have laws about spam calls, they answer their phones all the time.  This is an American problem.

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I think 40-70 is a grey area where the tendency is correlated with rural vs urban.  Rural people in their 40s probably answer their phones a lot more than city folk in their 50s, and city folk in their 60s probably don’t answer their phones much at all.  That is just my observation of my own social network so it could be way off.  But I think it’s something that has changed significantly since 2016.

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