Joe Biden 2023: The Dark Brandon Rises

[SydneyCarton 49505]

2 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

You ever point out he could maybe forego the golf outings if he is really that strapped?

No, because the golf outings are usually expensed by one of us there, and in addition I'm the one democrat among the conservatives there, and I'm not looking to pick a fight.

If I were going to do it, I'd point at maybe he didn't need the 120k Escalade that was purchased not too long ago. 

[TwiceHorn 32079]

One other thing, there is a danger of the "rest of us" becoming complacent in our fear and loathing of Trump.  Dodd did a lot to keep that fire burning.  But I think these criminal prosecutions and his absurd behavior relating thereto is also having an energizing effect on the anti-Trump base.

It sure as hell is me, and I have been susceptible to voter apathy and "fuck em both."  Quite often in fact, as recently as 2016.

[Js1 87185]

It is also worth noting:

Dems are outrunning Biden’s approvals in special elections, which are far more predictive than polling

The 2022 polling was abysmal

not many people are engaged right now or even paying attention

[Biff Tannen 46168]

10 minutes ago, Js1 said:

It is also worth noting:

Dems are outrunning Biden’s approvals in special elections, which are far more predictive than polling

The 2022 polling was abysmal

not many people are engaged right now or even paying attention

People also get apathetic when you don't have a lunatic running the country and you don't have to pay attention every day to make sure he didn't launch a random nuke.

Edited November 6, 2023 by Biff Tannen

[Js1 87185]

2 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

People also get apathetic when you don't have a lunatic running the country and you don't have to pay attention every day to make sure he didn't launch a random nuke.

Once the election gears up, and especially the GOP primary next year (not much of one, but still), people will remember.  But yeah, Biden is boring and people can finally tune out politics outside of election years. 

[Saint Tacky 1647]

Interesting story by the New York Time podcast "The Run Up," which offers some hope.

The People of Clallam County Haven’t Gotten It Wrong Since 1980

"Voters in one part of Washington State have picked the winner in every presidential election from Reagan to Biden. What do they think now?"

Spoiler

"...confident that Clallam would stay blue in 2024. And so was everyone else we asked, including some Republicans. They also thought their bellwether streak will continue, and nationally, Biden will win again.” The clear majority is made up of "Biden is too old," "I just cannot vote for Biden,"  or "I just cannot vote for Trump."

The too-old crowd would still vote for Biden.

The can't vote for Biden crowd stays home, and the never-Trump Republicans would vote for any Republican candidate or they're likely to stay home on election day.

Some maga-types spout the usual pabulum, but they are significantly outnumbered.

 

[jimmyjazz 47207]

1 hour ago, BeardIP said:

and stock market tanked

The S&P is up 17.6% during BIden's presidency.  "Tanked" is the wrong word if we're talking about the current state of the market going forward into an election year, which is what should matter to voters.

I routinely see right-wingers lamenting the state of their 401Ks and IRAs.  WTF are you invested in?

[Biff Tannen 46168]

7 minutes ago, Saint Tacky said:

 

The can't vote for Biden crowd stays home, and the never-Trump Republicans would vote for any Republican candidate or they're likely to stay home on election day.

This is sickeningly why we actually need dotard to run again.  If he doesn't, there will be a TON of former Rs, independents, etc that will RUN to pull the lever for any other R.

[jimmyjazz 47207]

1 hour ago, Skipper said:

I mean the DNC or mega donors or whomever else is working on big picture strategy.  Kamala isn't a popular VP.

Name a popular VP.

[Js1 87185]

Just now, jimmyjazz said:

Name a popular VP.

Seriously. Bush 41 maybe in 88? 

[SydneyCarton 49505]

2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Name a popular VP.

Joe Biden was pretty popular. So was old man bush, for awhile. 

[Skipper 6411]

4 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Joe Biden was pretty popular. So was old man bush, for awhile. 

Those 2 + Gore was popular enough to be a few hanging chads short of winning the presidency.

[Guest]

Dunno if the polls are accurate or not. I do know that when Trump is in campaign mode and you're seeing him spout off crazy stuff every night only the nightly news, it's going to make some difference. Right now, I doubt many people are really paying attention to what he says. Truth Social just ain't a big draw.

I do wonder why Dems aren't already hitting the airwaves with ads. Just a steady drumbeat of crazy stuff Trump is saying that doesn't get a lot of coverage. No reason to wait until two months before voting. Make the difference now when it's an easier lift.

[Js1 87185]

2 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

I do wonder why Dems aren't already hitting the airwaves with ads.

Because there’s no point if no one is paying attention. Though Biden has already been doing targeted ads in swing states and with specific communities 

[atomheartbevo 90650]

4 hours ago, HornOnTheBayou said:

Exactly. Biden's position on Israel is not popular right now among young progressives. And it's obviously not popular with Muslims (which there are many of in Michigan). But these groups are not going to pull the lever for Trump next November.

3 hours ago, nbmishoid said:

Part of Bibi’s motivation is to fuck up Biden’s popularity.  A real bastard.

3 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

Counterpoint: They might not pull the lever for Trump, but they might stay home. Which is just as good in this scenario. 

There are Republican politicians openly calling for Palestinians to be booted out of the US, and they are getting cheered on by MAGA. And there are plenty of MAGA types who are openly not fans of Israel/Jews outside of some Biblical end times bullshit.  They aren't quite saying that Hitler should have finished the job....but they are asking why we would even lift a finger, let alone send some carrier battle groups over (and they are being played by Putin/Iran/China to be against Israel).

Yes, the danger is the targeted groups stay home, but they are definitely not going to root for Trump.

Edited November 6, 2023 by atomheartbevo

[Fudge Nuggets 19455]

1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

WTF are you invested in?

Crypto and Trump NFTs. Are you implying those aren’t sound investments?

[Voldemort86 2259]

Unemployment rate close to 4% even.  Expect GOP to pounce if it reaches that number.  I still remember when it was 3.4%. Hopefully it doesn’t rise too much more.

[elfenix 34752]

Crypto and Trump NFTs. Are you implying those aren’t sound investments?

I had planned to sell all my btc on NYE in 2020. But got drunk and forgot. Shit.

[hornmpa96 2669]

Biden’s campaign needs to have 2 ads ready for the swing states once Trump has the nomination. The first ad is a reminder of Trump’s 4 years which includes:

1. Charlottesville/Good people on both sides quote

2. George Floyd/Trump’s quote to police to bang criminals heads on cars

3. Muslim Ban/Shithole Countries quote

4.Number of Covid deaths/inject bleach quote 

5. January 6/Trump’s record in election lawsuits

Second ad focuses on Biden’s accomplishments:

1. Jobs created

2. S&P performance

3. Record Oil and Gas production

I think that poll is bullshit; however, we need to acknowledge that this election will be decided at the margins in those 6 swing states and some voters need a reminder that Trump’s a fucking crazy dumbass man child.

[Js1 87185]

1 minute ago, hornmpa96 said:

I think that poll is bullshit; however, we need to acknowledge that this election will be decided at the margins in those 6 swing states and some voters need a reminder that Trump’s a fucking crazy dumbass man child.

Just remember, there's been endless dooming and articles about that poll, but nary a mention of any other poll that doesn't show Trump winning.

Media only cares about eyes and clicks.  I fully expect Dems to do well today in elections, continuing their trend of good results since Dobbs, and story being "Why the Dems' good 2023 is bad for Joe Biden"

 

['stache 22144]

11 minutes ago, hornmpa96 said:

Biden’s campaign needs to have 2 ads ready for the swing states once Trump has the nomination. The first ad is a reminder of Trump’s 4 years which includes:

1. Charlottesville/Good people on both sides quote

2. George Floyd/Trump’s quote to police to bang criminals heads on cars

3. Muslim Ban/Shithole Countries quote

4.Number of Covid deaths/inject bleach quote 

5. January 6/Trump’s record in election lawsuits

Second ad focuses on Biden’s accomplishments:

1. Jobs created

2. S&P performance

3. Record Oil and Gas production

I think that poll is bullshit; however, we need to acknowledge that this election will be decided at the margins in those 6 swing states and some voters need a reminder that Trump’s a fucking crazy dumbass man child.

That first part will also be part of Trump ads, those are points of pride to many, many, many voters in this dumbass country.

[hornmpa96 2669]

2 minutes ago, 'stache said:

That first part will also be part of Trump ads, those are points of pride to many, many, many voters in this dumbass country.

Those voters are always going to be MAGA. You’re trying to move the 2% who have forgotten what he was like.

[Foosters 18280]

24 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Just remember, there's been endless dooming and articles about that poll, but nary a mention of any other poll that doesn't show Trump winning.

Media only cares about eyes and clicks.  I fully expect Dems to do well today in elections, continuing their trend of good results since Dobbs, and story being "Why the Dems' good 2023 is bad for Joe Biden"

 

they should bottle you up and sell you in pill form

[Js1 87185]

Just now, Foosters said:

they should bottle you up and sell you in pill form

[StassneyHorn 6775]

When DeSantis reminds people Trump allowed lockdowns to start and Florida refused, its gonna be some fun tv. Bonus points if he uses “Trump’s vaccines.”

[Biff Tannen 46168]

3 hours ago, hornmpa96 said:

Biden’s campaign needs to have 2 ads ready for the swing states once Trump has the nomination. The first ad is a reminder of Trump’s 4 years which includes:

1. Charlottesville/Good people on both sides quote

2. George Floyd/Trump’s quote to police to bang criminals heads on cars

3. Muslim Ban/Shithole Countries quote

4.Number of Covid deaths/inject bleach quote 

5. January 6/Trump’s record in election lawsuits

Second ad focuses on Biden’s accomplishments:

1. Jobs created

2. S&P performance

3. Record Oil and Gas production

I think that poll is bullshit; however, we need to acknowledge that this election will be decided at the margins in those 6 swing states and some voters need a reminder that Trump’s a fucking crazy dumbass man child.

You should @ every democrats account on Twitter or whatever the fuck with this post

[Foosters 18280]

15 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

You should @ every democrats account on Twitter or whatever the fuck with this post

I think there should also be an ad that's just clips of GOP house members promising to slash SS, Medicare; push a nationwide abortion ban, ban contraceptives, pass laws making it easier for those under 21 and with MH issues to obtain guns, etc.

Living in CA, I never see any national ads, but does stuff like this even exist? The closest thing that comes to mind from 2020-2022 is the fucking Lincoln Project. 

[Biff Tannen 46168]

31 minutes ago, Foosters said:

I think there should also be an ad that's just clips of GOP house members promising to slash SS, Medicare; push a nationwide abortion ban, ban contraceptives, pass laws making it easier for those under 21 and with MH issues to obtain guns, etc.

Living in CA, I never see any national ads, but does stuff like this even exist? The closest thing that comes to mind from 2020-2022 is the fucking Lincoln Project. 

Living in Texas, I don't know either.

[gmr548 16701]

I’m going to sound a little like Bozo on this but I think the nature of the disparate coalitions comprising the Dems make this impossible (or, just really, really hard) compared to the GOP.  
 
I’m sure there’s a plan, in fact there’s probably 50 different plans but nothing that unites the 2020 Biden voters.  Let’s be honest, that one was a surprise and I doubt most of us were predicting it after Iowa.  It took the campaign to build that coalition and I think a lot of voters, I among them, ended up casting a vote against Trump/what he represents as much as in support of Biden.  
 
Those same dynamics will exist in ‘24.  This is where I differ from Axelrod, too-you just don’t retire when you have the power of incumbency, and I don’t see a Senator Obama standing on the periphery who seems broadly appealing if only there wasn’t an incumbent he’d have to run against.  

The thing that united 2020 Biden voters will be running against him again. This has been litigated already in the 2022 Midterms. Americans aren’t particularly happy with Biden but dislike Trump that much more. The election will come down to turnout in 5-6 states as it has the last couple cycles. Really not much to wring hands over now.

[nbmishoid 989]

On 11/6/2023 at 2:11 PM, jimmyjazz said:

Name a popular VP.

LBJ

[jimmyjazz 47207]

18 minutes ago, nbmishoid said:

LBJ

Kinda had to go back in the archives on that one, right?

[Js1 87185]

18 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Kinda had to go back in the archives on that one, right?

Also a little bit of different situation, what with JFK being assassinated.

[safe sex 12010]

37 minutes ago, nbmishoid said:

LBJ

He was not popular during his time as VP. He was as much a ghost as any of them have been.

[safe sex 12010]

Just now, Js1 said:

Also a little bit of different situation, what with JFK being assassinated.

And he only agreed to being VP because at the time he agreed, there was historically a 25% chance he'd make it the Oval because of them president dying. He didn't see any other way to get there after his time as Senate leader

[YGIFS 19458]

LBJ did one big thing while serving as VP.  He helped murder a sitting U.S. President.  That's not nothing, even in that era.

I think Mondale was probably the most activist VP of the post-Civil War Era.  GHW Bush to some extent.  Cheney, but not in a good way.  

Teddy Roosevelt is criminally underrated as a VP but nobody's gonna lift finger one to find out why, so fuck it...

[ChiTownDoc 21345]

On 11/6/2023 at 2:55 PM, 'stache said:

I personally don't think the polls are that far off, I think our electorate has been dumbed down beyond repair, essentially the turning point in Idiocracy. 

I would have believed you but yesterday was a giant fuck you to this narrative.   The youngs are showing up and fucking up the R party and their bullshit. 

[Js1 87185]

20 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

I would have believed you but yesterday was a giant fuck you to this narrative.   The youngs are showing up and fucking up the R party and their bullshit. 

There's really no way to square last night's results, all of the 2023 special elections and 2022's results and come up with "Trump is winning NV (BY DOUBLE DIGITS), Pennsylvania, Michigan, Arizona, Georgia next year" 

Unless you work in the polling business and have to gaslight the public into believing you are still good at your job, despite how big wrong you were in 2022. Or, you're Emerson, and you dropped a poll showing Daniel Cameron leading Andy Beshear 49-48, and then he lost by 5 points. 

[Lurch 5950]

I'm of the belief that whomever is being polled that is liberal or left leaning independent is answering the poll questions as a means of swinging the hammer and making their point that they want someone other than Joe (predominantly because he's a horrible communicator, imo) and/or that they want their pet position to get more action from the Dems in office.  Their tune will change when its a solidified race between Joe and Trump.  They're not staying home, and their not voting for Trump or a 3rd party candidate that will spoil a Biden win.

In other words, I think the polls are accurate in that they reflect what they're being told, not in that they reflect the actual likely vote to be cast by the respondent. 

[ConferenceRoom 6214]

41 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

LBJ did one big thing while serving as VP.  He helped murder a sitting U.S. President.  That's not nothing, even in that era.

You're going to keep fucking that chicken, huh?

[SydneyCarton 49505]

3 minutes ago, ConferenceRoom said:

You're going to keep fucking that chicken, huh?

You say this like it’s the only chicken he likes to routinely fuck. The man has lots of chickens. The stress of trials killing trump. Heidi Cruz. Dropping names. It’s a proverbial harem of hens. 

[Js1 87185]

11 minutes ago, Lurch said:

In other words, I think the polls are accurate in that they reflect what they're being told, not in that they reflect the actual likely vote to be cast by the respondent. 

This is a good point. They're supposed to be a snapshot of current feelings, not used to predict something a year from now. 

[TheStoicPaisano 9953]

 

[Hookah Horns 3089]

It's depressing how fucking dumb this electorate is. 

[Js1 87185]

2 minutes ago, Hookah Horns said:

It's depressing how fucking dumb this electorate is. 

GOP looks at results from last night

Not dumb enough, yet.

[atomheartbevo 90650]

On 11/7/2023 at 2:35 PM, StassneyHorn said:

When DeSantis reminds people Trump allowed lockdowns to start and Florida refused, its gonna be some fun tv. Bonus points if he uses “Trump’s vaccines.”

Especially since Trump believes he deserves sole credit for the vaccines. Multiple times he bitched that he was responsible for the vaccine happening "at warp speed".

[atomheartbevo 90650]

2 hours ago, Hookah Horns said:

It's depressing how fucking dumb this electorate is. 

"No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American People." -- Mencken

 

[Bozo_Casanova 26851]

3 hours ago, TheStoicPaisano said:

 

He's stepping into prophesy on this one. 

[gmr548 16701]

It's depressing how fucking dumb this electorate is. 

New to the USA?

[Guest]

Joe Biden is a POS and deserves his own thread...

[Hookah Horns 3089]

3 hours ago, gmr548 said:

New to the USA?

Nah. Just still processing how many idiots have come out of the woodwork since 2016. Can't wait for the deplorables to go back to not voting post-dotard.