Joe Biden 2023: The Dark Brandon Rises

[TwiceHorn 31184]

3 hours ago, Thatguy said:

No it's not. Maybe I am off on what you are saying, but are you saying that MAGAts are the ones with deep economic pessimism? If you are then I say you need to hit the streets more. My father-in-law likes to dump their unwanted items on us. I am currently in possession of a 20 year old Suburban that they dropped off on our doorstep(my wife will never say no to her dad). Since they bought it brand new I have the original sticker for it. Fully loaded for its time. 46k sticker. Right now a 24 High Country Burban is 92k, and that's not even 4x4 or 3/4 ton like my old Burban is. Literally doubled in price in 20 years. Incomes haven't doubled in that time frame.

Most of us here are olds. We own our houses, have solid wages, and thus are somewhat disconnected with the poors. However, the younger crowd is really feeling it. I own a house where the going rent rate is double what the mortgage is. Google a decent 2bdroom apt. 2k+ in the Houston area. My daughter is 15, young for my age, but talking to people my age I know who's kids have long since left the nest, they are a couple years out of college and still on the payroll.

 

https://www.fredechevrolet.com/VehicleDetails/new-2024-Chevrolet-Suburban-2WD_High_Country-HOUSTON-TX/5732796150

Agreed, but that's a longer-term trend as the result of trickle-down without the trickle.  One president can't unfuck that.

In the shorter term, 5-10 years, things are getting slightly better.

[G650 13990]

6 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Not just a product of the times.  It actually reflects a pretty solid understanding of presidential power.

According to the text of the Constitution, at Article II, the express/explicit powers of the President are highest and most exclusive in the realm of foreign policy and national security (treaty power, commander in chief, etc.). 

Of course, Article II is pretty vague about the rest of presidential power and filling in those gaps with domestic policymaking and executive legislation (EO's etc.) is a relatively recent development.  See, e.g., Teddy, Franklin, the last four or five, etc.

[elfenix 34168]

  I wouldn't advocate eating the better part of a dozen eggs every day, but if you're THAT poor, you could do worse.

[locodos 5329]

15 hours ago, chainsaw said:

I can't speak for everyone, but Millennials and Gen Z view Gen X as complicit in allowing Boomers to dictate the terms of the economy and post-2000 politics. Is it fair? Thats not for me to say. But ask a Zoomer what they think of Gen Xers.

1. That's because they are mostly partially functioning morons.  Millennial nostalgia is so cringy and crap, it's literal corporate garbage from one of the most boring times in America's culture.
2. I ask zoomers for my coffee at the drive through in the morning, I don't really need their takes on anything of even mild importance.   
3. Billy Joel should apologize for "We didn't start the fire..."  Motherfucker we are watching you pour the Jerry can out with one hand and a blow torch in the other!

[Biff Tannen 45477]

13 hours ago, Covri said:

We’re not in a recession and our economy is doing well overall, but anyone trying to argue that the price of groceries haven’t gone up the last two years at a higher rate than overall inflation is lying to themselves. The average price of grocery items are up anywhere from 10%-30%. Yes people can still buy them especially people at the median income level and above, but it’s still noticeable. Corporate greed is behind it, not the government, but it still exists.  And grocery bills going up is something all people notice. 

Who is arguing that grocery prices haven’t gone up more than inflation?

[Captainant 27311]

56 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Who is arguing that grocery prices haven’t gone up more than inflation?

You should visit the business board 

[jimmyjazz 45513]

14 hours ago, Covri said:

We’re not in a recession and our economy is doing well overall, but anyone trying to argue that the price of groceries haven’t gone up the last two years at a higher rate than overall inflation is lying to themselves. The average price of grocery items are up anywhere from 10%-30%.

Well, 10% in two years is 4.9% annualized, and I'd bet average inflation was higher over that timeframe.  That's on the lower end of your claimed range, though. 

This seems to point to a 13.6% rise in food costs over the last two years (1.104 x 1..029):

 

[jimmyjazz 45513]

6 hours ago, Thatguy said:

No it's not. Maybe I am off on what you are saying, but are you saying that MAGAts are the ones with deep economic pessimism? If you are then I say you need to hit the streets more.

I don't know what your anecdote about being given a used Suburban even means, so I'm not addressing it.  To my point, I can confidently say that the percentage of people my age bitching about nonexistent price issues (gas, etc.) are right wing, and many explicitly blame Biden.

Regardless, the consumer confidence index chart I posted counters any claim that Americans are in general pessimistic about the economy.

[jimmyjazz 45513]

3 hours ago, Fastbreak said:

Minimum wage is the exact same as in 2012. It hasn’t increased a penny.

Fast food wages are up quite a bit.

[The Royal We 3059]

30 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I don't know what your anecdote about being given a used Suburban even means, so I'm not addressing it.  To my point, I can confidently say that the percentage of people my age bitching about nonexistent price issues (gas, etc.) are right wing, and many explicitly blame Biden.

Regardless, the consumer confidence index chart I posted counters any claim that Americans are in general pessimistic about the economy.

I’m not sure how someone bitching about getting a free old car ties in to the discussion here either, but his feelings don’t give a rip about your facts. Amirite?

[Dnaguy 11740]

14 hours ago, Covri said:

We’re not in a recession and our economy is doing well overall, but anyone trying to argue that the price of groceries haven’t gone up the last two years at a higher rate than overall inflation is lying to themselves. The average price of grocery items are up anywhere from 10%-30%. Yes people can still buy them especially people at the median income level and above, but it’s still noticeable. Corporate greed is behind it, not the government, but it still exists.  And grocery bills going up is something all people notice. 

This.

While inflation is receding, the past 2 years of it has resulted in that 30% higher grocery bill.

People know this, feel this, don’t like this.

Running on a ‘strong economy’ when people see higher prices (even if they aren’t ’getting Any higher’) is not the answer. 
 

And republicans will point to that, offer vague solutions around the theme of ‘freedom’, talk about lower taxes, and people will eat it up.

 

Dems need to talk about the higher prices. Like you said, hammer corporations , and at least try some line of attacks outside of just saying inflation is down.

Frame republicans as looking backwards (they are btw).

 

’Republicans talk about higher prices. And they’re right. They’re 30% higher. But you don’t have those come down with lower taxes. It’s the same old lie they told us 5 years ago, 10 years ago, 30 years ago. But what I (Joe Biden) want is for you to make more. We see it in auto with the latest contract. We see it in wage growth. Is it enough? No. But I want it to be more. Repubs want to trickle down to you. How has that worked for the past 30 years. I want the construction worker to make more $ and his CEO to make less because his company can’t buy back his stock at all time high price. I want the wages for the Mc Donald’s worker to be $15, 16, $17 an hr so they can afford to feed themselves. I want that food to be safe. I want you to have dignity, pride in your work, and dominion over your own body.

If you want the same failed policies of the last 30 years, keep voting Republican.

It’s me, at 80 years old that is thinking of a better future. My junior 78 year old running mate is thinking of himself and the past. Make america great again? Hell, America hasnt even scratched the surface of its potential. For 250 years we’ve only been using a quarter to half of our people and potential and we went to the moon.

What is in store for us when we make sure people aren’t hungry? When we truly educate all our children? When we don’t have to worry about an illness bankrupting us?

What happens when every person’s potential is released.

That’s the future I’m fighting for.

 

[ChiTownDoc 21091]

6 hours ago, StassneyHorn said:

My income has tripled since 2012

25 year olds “on the payroll” aren’t buying fully loaded suburbans

Googling 2 bedroom apartments under $2,000 returns 13,340 results in Houston

https://www.apartments.com/houston-tx/2-bedrooms-under-2000/?bb=tw4om4q6-Iyk9zvxd
 

 

You’re the reason I don’t always fly private.  I hope you’re proud.  Asshole

[Guest]

49 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Well, 10% in two years is 4.9% annualized, and I'd bet average inflation was higher over that timeframe.  That's on the lower end of your claimed range, though. 

This seems to point to a 13.6% rise in food costs over the last two years (1.104 x 1..029):

 

I know a bag of Doritos used to be $2.50 at HEB and now it's $4.48. Bullshit that the cost to produce it and get it on the shelf has risen 80% in two years.

Meanwhile, frozen pizza used to cost $5-6 and is now $6-7. So yeah, inflation but I think there are also spots where we are being gouged.

[Captainant 27311]

2 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

I think there are also spots where we are being gouged.

I think it's rent and housing costs underpinning the inflation. Since PE firms have been buying a plurality of the single family housing market, it's been driving down inventory while spiking costs for individual buyers, and the investment purchases are turned around and rented at a profitable rate. 

People need more money to pay to have a roof and bed, so they demand more pay, which gives firms the reason to push prices up at accelerated rates. The housing market has always been the invisible hand controlling the greater economy, and individuals are getting muscled out by the investor class

[Celery Man 20874]

6 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

I know a bag of Doritos used to be $2.50 at HEB and now it's $4.48. Bullshit that the cost to produce it and get it on the shelf has risen 80% in two years.

Meanwhile, frozen pizza used to cost $5-6 and is now $6-7. So yeah, inflation but I think there are also spots where we are being gouged.

How are you going to track the price of Doritos but be too good for a totino’s party pizza. It’s like $4 even if you go t’zone

[StassneyHorn 6534]

4 hours ago, Fastbreak said:

Minimum wage is the exact same as in 2012. It hasn’t increased a penny.

This is wrong and plenty of traditional minimum wage jobs like fast food pay above minimum.

Edited December 16, 2023 by StassneyHorn

[jimmyjazz 45513]

27 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

I know a bag of Doritos used to be $2.50 at HEB and now it's $4.48. Bullshit that the cost to produce it and get it on the shelf has risen 80% in two years.

Meanwhile, frozen pizza used to cost $5-6 and is now $6-7. So yeah, inflation but I think there are also spots where we are being gouged.

I only addressed his "two year" claim, but in reality, I think people are considering pre-covid as their baseline.  If you use the last 4 years on that food inflation chat (3.9%, 6.3%, 10.4%, 2.9%) it comes out to a total 25.5% increase, which seems pretty much in line with what people are saying.

80% on a single item is ridiculous.

Edited December 16, 2023 by jimmyjazz

[Biff Tannen 45477]

55 minutes ago, Captainant said:

I think it's rent and housing costs underpinning the inflation. Since PE firms have been buying a plurality of the single family housing market, it's been driving down inventory while spiking costs for individual buyers, and the investment purchases are turned around and rented at a profitable rate. 

People need more money to pay to have a roof and bed, so they demand more pay, which gives firms the reason to push prices up at accelerated rates. The housing market has always been the invisible hand controlling the greater economy, and individuals are getting muscled out by the investor class

This is something we can all see and experience too. It is wild. 

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1 hour ago, Celery Man said:

How are you going to track the price of Doritos but be too good for a totino’s party pizza. It’s like $4 even if you go t’zone

Totino's party pizzas slap idgaf what anyone else thinks

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Celery Man said:

How are you going to track the price of Doritos but be too good for a totino’s party pizza. It’s like $4 even if you go t’zone

I tried one of those Motor City Pizzas the other day and it is pretty dang good for frozen pizza. 

[jimmyjazz 45513]

1 hour ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

I tried one of those Motor City Pizzas the other day and it is pretty dang good for frozen pizza. 

Home Run Inn sucks, though.  I've had decent luck rolling my own with the frozen Midtown crusts and some HEB Organics tomato sauce (and cheese and other toppings).

[6th Street 6340]

Generative AI is about to unleash  massive productivity gains and subsequent deflationary pressure over the next decade. This will make any post COVID inflation look tame

[Celery Man 20874]

And of course we’ll first see the major advancements from degenerative ai.

[Brisketexan 104465]

And of course we’ll first see the major advancements from degenerative ai.

Surly, the pioneer of degenerative AI.

[G650 13990]

3 hours ago, Dnaguy said:

This.

While inflation is receding, the past 2 years of it has resulted in that 30% higher grocery bill.

People know this, feel this, don’t like this.

Running on a ‘strong economy’ when people see higher prices (even if they aren’t ’getting Any higher’) is not the answer. 
 

And republicans will point to that, offer vague solutions around the theme of ‘freedom’, talk about lower taxes, and people will eat it up.

 

Dems need to talk about the higher prices. Like you said, hammer corporations , and at least try some line of attacks outside of just saying inflation is down.

Frame republicans as looking backwards (they are btw).

 

’Republicans talk about higher prices. And they’re right. They’re 30% higher. But you don’t have those come down with lower taxes. It’s the same old lie they told us 5 years ago, 10 years ago, 30 years ago. But what I (Joe Biden) want is for you to make more. We see it in auto with the latest contract. We see it in wage growth. Is it enough? No. But I want it to be more. Repubs want to trickle down to you. How has that worked for the past 30 years. I want the construction worker to make more $ and his CEO to make less because his company can’t buy back his stock at all time high price. I want the wages for the Mc Donald’s worker to be $15, 16, $17 an hr so they can afford to feed themselves. I want that food to be safe. I want you to have dignity, pride in your work, and dominion over your own body.

If you want the same failed policies of the last 30 years, keep voting Republican.

It’s me, at 80 years old that is thinking of a better future. My junior 78 year old running mate is thinking of himself and the past. Make america great again? Hell, America hasnt even scratched the surface of its potential. For 250 years we’ve only been using a quarter to half of our people and potential and we went to the moon.

What is in store for us when we make sure people aren’t hungry? When we truly educate all our children? When we don’t have to worry about an illness bankrupting us?

What happens when every person’s potential is released.

That’s the future I’m fighting for.

 

This is literally what Biden does

[David Dennison 18608]

21 hours ago, chainsaw said:

I can't speak for everyone, but Millennials and Gen Z view Gen X as complicit in allowing Boomers to dictate the terms of the economy and post-2000 politics. Is it fair? Thats not for me to say. But ask a Zoomer what they think of Gen Xers.

Whatever.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33825]

5 hours ago, Captainant said:

You should visit the business board 

[Neonmoon 38127]

Two things can exist at the same time 

The UR is historically low at 3.7%. Inflation is down at 3.1%. Grocery Prices are back rising at long time average of 2.1%. GDP is 5.2% this year. These are Hall of Fame numbers 

if you bought a home before June 2022, and have a job. You are probably crushing it. (Most likely Boomers & Gen X)

on the flip side.

New rent contracts are declining in price but you probably locked in last year while it was high as fuck, and you don’t make enough to save shit. Not to mention home prices are 40% higher and interest rates are still at 6% so you can afford to buy.

If you don’t own a home or bought after June 2022, or just entering the job market. You are feeling the pain of years of corporate wage depression and price inflation (Probably Millennials and Gen Z)

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20342]

I'm waiting for degenerate AI. 

[elfenix 34168]

I'm waiting for degenerate AI. 

Deepfakes are a thing already


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7 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

I don't know what your anecdote about being given a used Suburban even means, so I'm not addressing it.  To my point, I can confidently say that the percentage of people my age bitching about nonexistent price issues (gas, etc.) are right wing, and many explicitly blame Biden.

I knew people bitching about the price of turkeys, even though they admitted they weren’t buying them and hadn’t checked their local stores.  Or the stupid fucking meals at McDonalds that people are claiming are ridiculously expensive, and then I ask them why I can get three meals for myself and my kids for less than what they are bitching about.  Like maybe they hadn’t been to McDonalds or were deliberately picking items that most of us wouldn’t buy.

6 hours ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

I know a bag of Doritos used to be $2.50 at HEB and now it's $4.48. Bullshit that the cost to produce it and get it on the shelf has risen 80% in two years.

Meanwhile, frozen pizza used to cost $5-6 and is now $6-7. So yeah, inflation but I think there are also spots where we are being gouged.

I keep telling people that complain, to stop buying and purchase something else such as store-brand chips or make their own pizzas.  Way too many people seemed to have forgotten that if enough people stop buying, prices will have to drop.  There’s too many options out there.

[jimmyjazz 45513]

5 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I knew people bitching about the price of turkeys, even though they admitted they weren’t buying them and hadn’t checked their local stores.  Or the stupid fucking meals at McDonalds that people are claiming are ridiculously expensive, and then I ask them why I can get three meals for myself and my kids for less than what they are bitching about.  Like maybe they hadn’t been to McDonalds or were deliberately picking items that most of us wouldn’t buy.

Yeah, I saw that meme about a $15 quarter pounder with cheese or some such and I just dismissed it.  I don't know what was actually being referenced, but it ain't a McDonald's burger, and I haven't had a burger there since college.  Isn't it like $4 or so?

Edited December 16, 2023 by jimmyjazz

[Thatguy 8478]

10 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Agreed, but that's a longer-term trend as the result of trickle-down without the trickle.  One president can't unfuck that.

In the shorter term, 5-10 years, things are getting slightly better.

 

7 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

I don't know what your anecdote about being given a used Suburban even means, so I'm not addressing it.  To my point, I can confidently say that the percentage of people my age bitching about nonexistent price issues (gas, etc.) are right wing, and many explicitly blame Biden.

Regardless, the consumer confidence index chart I posted counters any claim that Americans are in general pessimistic about the economy.

  Jimmy don't be obtuse. Sure Biden isn't the one responsible for long term inflation but people are struggling just the same. People aren't breaking down the numbers YOY. They are simply just unhappy with the current state of things. Not everyone is a UT grad out there. I am surrounded by Repubs and I hear the same rhetoric, but I also hear the youngs complaints as well.

[Thatguy 8478]

13 hours ago, StassneyHorn said:

My income has tripled since 2012

25 year olds “on the payroll” aren’t buying fully loaded suburbans

Googling 2 bedroom apartments under $2,000 returns 13,340 results in Houston

https://www.apartments.com/houston-tx/2-bedrooms-under-2000/?bb=tw4om4q6-Iyk9zvxd
 

 

  Lol. Your income has tripled because you no longer work entry level jobs. However, young people entering the market are making what, roughly 12% more than that job payed decades ago while trying to buy goods that have doubled. Of course you can find a 2 bedroom in Houston under 2k. If you want to lower your life expectancy you can find one for under 1k. We are talking in decent ares. Yes, 25 year olds aren't buying loaded Suburbans but a KIA Telluride is 42-55k as well.

The point is there are swaths of people who know little to nothing about politics/economics but are upset with the high cost of living and expect the current president to do something about it. How the hell do you think MAGA got into office in the first place? He ran on draining the swamp and lowering costs for the layman. A hell of a lot of stupid people turned out to vote for that clown, and not all of them are Trumpers.

[jimmyjazz 45513]

22 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

 

  Jimmy don't be obtuse. Sure Biden isn't the one responsible for long term inflation but people are struggling just the same. People aren't breaking down the numbers YOY. They are simply just unhappy with the current state of things. Not everyone is a UT grad out there. I am surrounded by Repubs and I hear the same rhetoric, but I also hear the youngs complaints as well.

I'm not being obtuse.  You are.  Address the Consumer Confidence Index.  Either tell me you think it means shit or tell me why it's way higher than average?

[Thatguy 8478]

5 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'm not being obtuse.  You are.  Address the Consumer Confidence Index.  Either tell me you think it means shit or tell me why it's way higher than average?

I am largely in agreement with you Jimmy, but I think you are way off base on how rational you think the American public is. The Consumer Confidence Index is its about as useful as the polling since Trump has been in the picture. Tons of people who vote for that dude don't participate in those things. 2016 and 2020 shoulda told ya.

[jimmyjazz 45513]

9 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

The Consumer Confidence Index is its about as useful as the polling since Trump has been in the picture. Tons of people who vote for that dude don't participate in those things. 2016 and 2020 shoulda told ya.

Maybe.  I have no reason to believe this is true.

[Neonmoon 38127]

3 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

Two things can exist at the same time 

The UR is historically low at 3.7%. Inflation is down at 3.1%. Grocery Prices are back rising at long time average of 2.1%. GDP is 5.2% this year. These are Hall of Fame numbers 

if you bought a home before June 2022, and have a job. You are probably crushing it. (Most likely Boomers & Gen X)

on the flip side.

New rent contracts are declining in price but you probably locked in last year while it was high as fuck, and you don’t make enough to save shit. Not to mention home prices are 40% higher and interest rates are still at 6% so you can afford to buy.

If you don’t own a home or bought after June 2022, or just entering the job market. You are feeling the pain of years of corporate wage depression and price inflation (Probably Millennials and Gen Z)

Let me follow up with the political take since this is CR

Job Biden, the Fed, Buddha, Yahweh or whoever you want to assign credit, is doing an amazing job. The US is outperforming the G7 by a large margin. The numbers speak for themselves. If you’re above 40 and don’t believe it, you’re probably brainwashed by Fox News

If you’re below 40, and feel like the economy sucks. There is a long list of Republicans presidents that let the corporate world fuck you hard for years. And no amount of TikTok is going to reverse it 

 

[YChang 3430]

2 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'm not being obtuse.  You are.  Address the Consumer Confidence Index.  Either tell me you think it means shit or tell me why it's way higher than average?

By now you should be well aware that people are irrational. You’re both correct. Why’s that so hard to accept?

[TexasEd 8062]

Stock market has been on a tear this year but the 20s are probably not benefiting from it 

[StassneyHorn 6534]

3 hours ago, Thatguy said:

  Lol. Your income has tripled because you no longer work entry level jobs. However, young people entering the market are making what, roughly 12% more than that job payed decades ago while trying to buy goods that have doubled. Of course you can find a 2 bedroom in Houston under 2k. If you want to lower your life expectancy you can find one for under 1k. We are talking in decent ares. Yes, 25 year olds aren't buying loaded Suburbans but a KIA Telluride is 42-55k as well.

The point is there are swaths of people who know little to nothing about politics/economics but are upset with the high cost of living and expect the current president to do something about it. How the hell do you think MAGA got into office in the first place? He ran on draining the swamp and lowering costs for the layman. A hell of a lot of stupid people turned out to vote for that clown, and not all of them are Trumpers.

To the first point, duh, that's why your post was short-sighted. Do you know people working 20 years in the same job with no promotion or movement? A 3% COLA gets them nearly 2x salary during that timeframe. Most grads can double their wage in 5 years by getting new jobs.

If you think you need a 2,000 dollar 2 bedroom apartment to "feel" safe in Houston you are again exaggerating.  

A Honda Civic is 24k and is clearly a better example of what people would buy.

[StassneyHorn 6534]

Thatguy and you are not making the same argument, so I'm unsure why you would quote my response to him when you are talking about middle class (that you haven't defined) and he's talking about young people.

Your statement the middle class would have any kind of shame over driving a 5 year old car and having a $1500 apartment in Houston is hollow. Especially when I've shown there is plenty of volume of sub $1500 apartments in nice, low crime neighborhoods, not crapboxes, and not in bummer parts of town. You guys are coming up with the absolute worst examples and all it does it give credence to whoever posted earlier that ya'll are old and out of touch. I'm all for demanding conditions get better, but if you want to follow around good news on this forum and kneecap it at every turn you'll get a rebuttal.

[G650 13990]

6 hours ago, BeardIP said:

IMO the middle class isn't feeling good about an economy where you have to drive a 2018 Honda Civic and live in a $1500 crapbox apartment

 

Why the fuck not?

[Bullneck 18976]

Apparently some in Dallas are not enamored of Dark Brandon.

Spoiler

This a photo of Clarence Thomas driving his RV.

Edited December 17, 2023 by Bullneck

[jimmyjazz 45513]

9 hours ago, BeardIP said:

1) The middle class (especially the younger middle class) don't have a robust 401k to see the type of gains in a heater stock run

They never have.

 

9 hours ago, BeardIP said:

I don't know man. I think you are making my point for me in that IMO the middle class isn't feeling good about an economy

They never have.

 

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where you have to drive a 2018 Honda Civic and live in a $1500 crapbox apartment in a bummer part of Houston. Especially so if you have kids.

Same story, different verse.  Being "middle class", especially with kids, has never been a particularly easy financial row to hoe.

[fattyflattie 4636]

19 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Yeah, I saw that meme about a $15 quarter pounder with cheese or some such and I just dismissed it.  I don't know what was actually being referenced, but it ain't a McDonald's burger, and I haven't had a burger there since college.  Isn't it like $4 or so?

I don’t know what the single burger costs or the meme your referencing, but with coke and fries is about 11-12$. Same as whataburger. Same as chick fila.   Username yada yada but I get stuck in some small towns for work and unfortunately sometimes McD is their “best option”, which is some sad, sad shit. 

[Captainant 27311]

3 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Username yada yada but I get stuck in some small towns for work and unfortunately sometimes McD is their “best option”, which is some sad, sad shit. 

The Almighty Free Market has spoken. "Fuck them poors" is the most succinct translation, but the longer version is that its not profitable to sell decent food in those areas, so they don't. 

[jimmyjazz 45513]

7 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

I don’t know what the single burger costs or the meme your referencing, but with coke and fries is about 11-12$. 

Pretty sure it was just a burger.  Probably fictional.

[StassneyHorn 6534]

 

1 hour ago, BeardIP said:

I’m absolutely not saying there is any shame in any of the above. 

I don’t think middle/upper middle class, college educated, typically democrat voters are thrilled with living in a mediocre part of Houston and driving that car and not vacationing etc etc 

But yea tell a single earner with a college degree that he can’t afford to live in the hip trendy part of town but can afford a nice drab 1br 30 minutes from the party scene 

Actually you did shame it. How many times do I have to post you can find a place in Midtown, Montrose, the Heights, DT or EaDo for under 1300 and a 2 BR for under 2000 before it lands with you.

[Captainant 27311]

8 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

 

Actually you did shame it. How many times do I have to post you can find a place in Midtown, Montrose, the Heights, DT or EaDo for under 1300 and a 2 BR for under 2000 before it lands with you.

EaDo is pretty much the only cheap place left in Houston. There's not much affordable left in Midtown or Montrose - the shit box efficiency my wife rented in her 1L year has gone from $800/mo back in 2017 to $1450/mo. For a 750sqft efficiency that still has dog shit coin-op washing machines. Hell, the 2/1 we were renting in midtown before we bought our house has gone from $1650/mo to nearly $2500/mo. 

You should really look at rent prices