It's time we talked about pickup trucks

[Bateshorn 9928]

All I know is I hate people parking next to me and will park in the most remote corner of any lot so it doesn’t happen…..and yet that’s the one day you fatasses decide you need some exercise and park your Canyonero next to me. 

[Gatorubet 30284]

I was parked next to a giant yellow fucking Ford Tonka truck and ran into the owner when I came out of the store. $110,000 according to him. 

Maybe you have to show a DSM-5 narcissist diagnosis to qualify to buy it.  That is one big yellow bitch.

[Bateshorn 9928]

Just now, Gatorubet said:

I was parked next to a giant yellow fucking Ford Tonka truck and ran into the owner when I came out of the store. $110,000 according to him. 

Maybe you have to show a DSM-5 narcissist diagnosis to qualify to buy it.  That is one big yellow bitch.

Spending that kind of money on a depreciating asset doesn’t float or fuck is beyond me. 

[Pato del Muerto 52554]

1 hour ago, 'stache said:

Thread is tl;dr. You can't "roll coal" without a big ass pickup truck that never hauls shit. That's the assumption I have when I see these things.

I bet you can roll coal in one of those Chevy Colorado diesels. As a matter of fact, I’d love to see that. Good laugh to be had. Even better if they had the exhaust replumbed up through the bed behind the cab. 

[fattyflattie 4638]

18 hours ago, wild_turkey said:

I kinda hated that Silverado because the turning radius was shit, it was a pain in the ass to park, it had terrible acceleration, and it didn’t fit in the garage of either of the 2 houses I lived in at that time.

You had a Silverado with worse acceleration that a 4-runner?  
 

54 minutes ago, Samson's Wig said:

Out in the burbs I assume it's much more manageable, and that's ultimately what this discussion comes down to, which is the same thing most hot debates come down to. Life in the suburbs/rural areas is completely different than life in the city, but most people, no matter what area they live in, are so god damned certain that their opinon is the only way things should work when in reality it's just what is best for where they're at.  We don't need the same rules in the city as the suburbs.  But we're all in our little bubbles and think everyone else is crazy. 

QFT.  I have zero issues with spots pretty much until I get downtown. Airport is fine, even.  I park way out in the back at lots because inconsiderate pricks and kids can’t manage the handle on their door while opening them, and vehicles are expensive. Between HS and college I drove one of those international 4900’s with a 26’ flatbed all around Houston for a few years, so I have a different perspective than most.   I still can’t park my wife’s XL for shit though, at least with the camera. But can fit my considerably larger truck in exact place I want it, go figure.  Rental place fucked me this week and I’m driving a tiny little Ford SUV, smallest thing I’ve even driven. It feels like a death trap, but is super convenient in Miami.  A truck here would be…difficult. 

[BluTechsan 393]

On 1/24/2023 at 8:44 AM, 956 Worldwide said:

I know we’re focused on pickups, but as you note the SUV is also classified as a light truck. And that includes things like unibody cross overs and small SUVs like a C-RV. Absurd that the CAFE and emission standards for these things are different than a sedan or wagon because of maybe two inches of ride height. 

Agreed.

Plus, I’m not sure that the current generation of full size SUVs are higher - the cabin might be but the ground clearance certainly is not when factoring the rear suspension.

It has gotten stupid.

[otisdog 365]

On 1/24/2023 at 6:19 PM, PTINS said:

Went looking for a 911 in '86. Bought a 944S off the truck instead. Sales guy said the 911 is quicker and faster, but it will beat you up.

The 944S is a touring car. You can drive it 500 miles/day back to back and enjoy the experience. Not the same in a 911. 

You might find this hard to believe, but the 911's ride has improved in the last 37 years...

[drt 640]

I have a 4 door F150 that has stuff in the back a few days a week for work, and tows a trailer once a month or so.
 

Got it when we had our first kid, prior to this job.  I’d had a S-10 from high school through college with a Lexus for a bit prior to kids. 

I almost got rid of the truck prior to this job. As a family vehicle there are definitely better options, but I’m not keeping two vehicles and couldn’t go switch out prior to snagging the kids most days anyways. 
 

Why there aren’t more hybrid powertrains does confuse me. More low end torque and better fuel efficiency seems like a no brainer. 

I paid 32k for my truck. No idea what I’ll do when this one wears out. Prices are nuts. 

[Brian Fantana 6690]

17 minutes ago, drt said:

Why there aren’t more hybrid powertrains does confuse me. More low end torque and better fuel efficiency seems like a no brainer. 

Demand, mostly, probably driven by consumer uncertainty about the long-term viability of those platforms from a cost and reliability standpoint, and the increased up front cost of purchasing a hybrid version of an existing gas/diesel vehicle. Hybrid powertrains are more expensive to build and are much more susceptible to supply chain issues and unexpected catastrophic repair costs than traditional gas engines are for the most part. Even on the lower-to-mid range hybrid I was driving before my current car, battery replacement cost was pretty high. The flip side of that coin is they are overall pretty cheap to drive and are very dependable. EVs aren't necessarily more reliable, but they utilize significantly less complex systems and therefore have substantially fewer potential points of failure.

There's also the issue with the overall layout of the US. Hybrid cars are great, nearly as good as electric in fact, at being very efficient to drive in the city. However, they are not as efficient on the highway, and a lot of Americans do a significant amount of highway driving. If you're going to live anywhere that isn't a city and you have a decently-sized commute, a hybrid vehicle isn't that much better than a well put together gas or diesel powertrain.

That may be more of a design issue, though they are designed this way for a reason (cost). Most hybrid vehicles have underpowered gasoline engines. Since your battery in a hybrid is relatively small (most probably get 20ish miles on electric only power), your gas engine is going to be doing a lot more of the heavy lifting when you're on the highway, and since it's an underpowered engine relative to the size of your vehicle, your highway efficiency is not going to be great overall. The flip side of that, is putting more powerful engines and bigger batteries in hybrid cars greatly increases their cost and thus makes them impractical for most people.

I commute about 100ish miles a couple days a week for work. My previous car (hybrid) would average about 38 MPG on the highway. My current car (twin turbo V6) averages around 34 MPG on the highway, give or take. If you're living in a larger city and mostly commuting within that city, you might as well just go full EV instead of getting a hybrid.

[Brew 3049]

It doesn’t matter what I’m driving, I park out away from everyone. The easiest way there is not to worry about how everyone else parks, is to park as far away as possible.

[52-80 19221]

1 hour ago, drt said:

mWhy there aren’t more hybrid powertrains does confuse me. More low end torque and better fuel efficiency seems like a no brainer. 

Take all the weight, complexities, and downsides of a combustion powertrain…now add an electric powertrain on top of that. 
 

Subtraction by addition….

 

[Nivek 16959]

A while back I was in a mood and I came out of the grocery store and saw a pick-up (f250) parked next to me, partially in my parking spot, and about 6 inches from my driver's side.  I let slip "look at this asshole" or something like that.  The guy was walking behind me and says "really?" as he was offended by my comment.  To his credit, he recognized his mistake when I pointed out how I couldn't get in my car and he shrugged his shoulders as if to say "that's fair" and he left.  

 

[Make em eat Taco Bell 1549]

8 minutes ago, Nivek said:

A while back I was in a mood and I came out of the grocery store and saw a pick-up (f250) parked next to me, partially in my parking spot, and about 6 inches from my driver's side.  I let slip "look at this asshole" or something like that.  The guy was walking behind me and says "really?" as he was offended by my comment.  To his credit, he recognized his mistake when I pointed out how I couldn't get in my car and he shrugged his shoulders as if to say "that's fair" and he left.  

 

that's a guy i can respect, own up to his mistake, certainly not deliberate intention. 

What do you guys think about Tundra?  Youtube reviews are surprisingly negative , especially about the interior build quaility with below grade plastics. 

What about the Rivian EV truck , one model comes with a built in kitchen!  Looks interesting, and damn fast. 

My fav is the Dodge Ram Longhorn Laramie with the gorgeous interior + 12 " screen. Is that a reliable trouble free thing?  

[Nivek 16959]

Rivian was featured in the Ewen McGregor show "Long Way UP" as the backbone support vehicle.    It's a strange buddy motorcycle riding show as they rode from Argentina to L.A. on motorcycles.  Apparently they have done this before.   They also rode two prototype prototype electric motorcycles. 

[deadshank 24653]

I’m on I 10 west with a Subaru tailgating me. 
 

Im traumatized and intimidated 

 

HALP!!!

[hookem48 4702]

Parking wouldn't be a problem if every parking lot had angled parking spots and not that stupid fucking straight parking spot shit. 

[Celery Man 20987]

1 minute ago, hookem48 said:

Parking wouldn't be a problem if every parking lot had angled parking spots and not that stupid fucking straight parking spot shit. 

local publix has angle parking and when some dipshit comes up the wrong way I enjoy putting my truck exactly in the middle of the lane and staring like

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, deadshank said:

I’m on I 10 west with a Subaru tailgating me. 
 

Im traumatized and intimidated 

 

HALP!!!

Get out of the fast lane and quit texting and driving.

Edited January 27, 2023 by FirstTimeCaller

[deadshank 24653]

14 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Get out of the fast lane and quit texting and driving.

I’m in the right lane smoking, drinking and keeping my victim tied up and quiet.  
 

Let me focus. 

[Buzzrock 14936]

My neighbor just got a Rivian and that thing is badass. Much better build quality than my other neighbor’s Tesla. No Apple CarPlay would annoy me though.

[SHOOTER12 8819]

2 hours ago, deadshank said:

I’m on I 10 west with a Subaru tailgating me. 
 

Im traumatized and intimidated 

 

HALP!!!

Shoot the bastard.

[jdhorn92 1553]

On 1/25/2023 at 4:48 PM, Bateshorn said:

Spending that kind of money on a depreciating asset doesn’t float or fuck is beyond me. 

You got that right.  The boat market, especially Center Consoles right now (well actually the last 3 years), has been pretty good for re-sale.  I could make money on my Sea Hunt that I bought used right when Covid hit March '20.

[deadshank 24653]

22 minutes ago, SHOOTER12 said:

Shoot the bastard.

Need to consult with Surly gun nuts for proper caliber

Edited January 27, 2023 by deadshank

[52-80 19221]

19 hours ago, Make em eat Taco Bell said:

What about the Rivian EV truck , one model comes with a built in kitchen!  Looks interesting, and damn fast.

i think it looks awesome as a non-truck guy and the functional design looks thoughtful.  software of the car is reported to be laggy and bad (vs tesla). 

 

19 hours ago, Nivek said:

Rivian was featured in the Ewen McGregor show "Long Way UP" as the backbone support vehicle.    It's a strange buddy motorcycle riding show as they rode from Argentina to L.A. on motorcycles.  Apparently they have done this before.   They also rode two prototype prototype electric motorcycles. 

its their 3rd show.  1st one goes longitudinally (across mongolia) and inspired me a bit.  worth watching.  2nd one goes latitudinally (through africa) and got a bit boring and repetitive.

[HamsterHookah 112]

Olivia Heller

How America’s pickups are changing

The Ford F-150 has been America’s bestselling car for 41 years. Last year, an F-Series Truck was sold every 49 seconds, and pickups accounted for the top three bestselling cars nationwide. Interestingly — despite stunts like this one, where an F-150 tows a double-decker freight train filled with 42 other F-150s — data shows a third of pickup owners rarely or never use their truck for hauling, while two-thirds rarely or never use it for towing, per Axios. Instead, 87% of pickup owners frequently use their truck for shopping, and 70% say they do so for pleasure driving. To accommodate for this, today’s F-150s are 63% cab and 37% bed, a near-total opposite from early generations’ 36% cab, 64% bed design. So what? Since 1990, the average mass of US vehicles has increased 25%. Pickups are already a safety concern, with twice the pedestrian strike fatality rate as smaller vehicles. They’re getting heavier, too, as the industry electrifies them with enormous batteries. Ford’s F-150 Lightning, for instance, at ~6.5k pounds, weighs 35% more than its gasoline twin.

[Guest]

Saw one of these in a parking lot a couple of days ago. It looks ridiculous, but if I'm honest, it would be perfect for what I actually need/use. An open bed for the occasional times I have to haul stuff, yet the size/maneuverability of a car.

[Pato del Muerto 52554]

6 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Saw one of these in a parking lot a couple of days ago. It looks ridiculous, but if I'm honest, it would be perfect for what I actually need/use. An open bed for the occasional times I have to haul stuff, yet the size/maneuverability of a car.

As I mentioned upthread, I like the Santa Cruz for that reason. 
 

Were I a wealthier man, I’d have a commute vehicle and the truck for truck stuff. But I don’t like the idea of a beater for either role. 

[Godzillatron 292]

I’ve been on the list for an F-150 Lightning for almost 2 years. Got the notice I could order one this week. $88,900 for a Lariat with extended range battery. Before TTL, before installing a charger. So a $100,000 investment. I’ll pass.

[Patricio Swayze 17058]

A while back I was in a mood and I came out of the grocery store and saw a pick-up (f250) parked next to me, partially in my parking spot, and about 6 inches from my driver's side.  I let slip "look at this asshole" or something like that.  The guy was walking behind me and says "really?" as he was offended by my comment.  To his credit, he recognized his mistake when I pointed out how I couldn't get in my car and he shrugged his shoulders as if to say "that's fair" and he left.  
 

This is 100% fake. There is no way Kevin, killer of bears, cougars and baboons would ever walk away from this situation without beating down said truck owner.

[Deej 76882]

11 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

As I mentioned upthread, I like the Santa Cruz for that reason. 
 

Were I a wealthier man, I’d have a commute vehicle and the truck for truck stuff. But I don’t like the idea of a beater for either role. 

The Santa Cruz has a built-in, locking tonneau cover, too.

[Pato del Muerto 52554]

4 minutes ago, Deej said:

The Santa Cruz has a built-in, locking tonneau cover, too.

[Deej 76882]

The Santa Cruz is about perfect for my needs, but I don't want to suffer the ridicule of the Surly 1%-ers.

[RDCanecutter 26462]

11 hours ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Saw one of these in a parking lot a couple of days ago. It looks ridiculous, but if I'm honest, it would be perfect for what I actually need/use. An open bed for the occasional times I have to haul stuff, yet the size/maneuverability of a car.

Suburu is your friend who drinks beer and can talk about chicks and softball.

[Deej 76882]

11 hours ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Saw one of these in a parking lot a couple of days ago. It looks ridiculous, but if I'm honest, it would be perfect for what I actually need/use. An open bed for the occasional times I have to haul stuff, yet the size/maneuverability of a car.

If they'd get rid of that gray shit and make it one color, I'd become a lesbian and drive it. 

[NeverMarryAStripper 21919]

On 1/27/2023 at 2:02 PM, deadshank said:

I’m on I 10 west with a Subaru tailgating me. 
 

Im traumatized and intimidated 

 

HALP!!!

I almost get hit at least once a day on I-10 west by some dipshit using their phone while driving.  I’m assuming that was you at least once 

[tbone_ 14141]

I think the Santa Cruz is cool

[RMac5 1551]

On 1/27/2023 at 4:24 PM, deadshank said:

Need to consult with Surly gun nuts for proper caliber

22-250 would be my caliber of choice.

[ChickenSandwich 9848]

12 hours ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Saw one of these in a parking lot a couple of days ago. It looks ridiculous, but if I'm honest, it would be perfect for what I actually need/use. An open bed for the occasional times I have to haul stuff, yet the size/maneuverability of a car.

Looks like a Pontiac Aztec fucked a 92 izuzu  truck. 

[deadshank 24653]

38 minutes ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

I almost get hit at least once a day on I-10 west by some dipshit using their phone while driving.  I’m assuming that was you at least once 

That hurts

[Nivek 16959]

Saw one of these in a parking lot a couple of days ago. It looks ridiculous, but if I'm honest, it would be perfect for what I actually need/use. An open bed for the occasional times I have to haul stuff, yet the size/maneuverability of a car.

Perfect for surfing and camping. If I were a teenager that would be my what I wished for.

[Lhorn 4930]

Subaru drivers love the WNBA and recently learned there’s a regular NBA too. 

[Nivek 16959]

10 hours ago, Lhorn said:

Subaru drivers love the WNBA and recently learned there’s a regular NBA too. 

lie, women don't give a shit about the WNBA.  

[Brian Fantana 6690]

Nice minivan you pussies

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Nice minivan you pussies

Minivan might be the smartest vehicle for the biggest majority of people, including me.

[Guest]

Jerry Reed is a legend.

Edited January 29, 2023 by FirstTimeCaller

[Longhornstampede 3186]

1996 F150 4.9 Inline 6, I use every day. My commute is only 11 miles and none of it on the highway if I so choose. Bought it used in 2000. I haven't had a new vehicle for myself in forever. I do absolutely everything and anything I need. Haul stuff in the bed and occasionally pull a small 12 foot flatbed trailer for some larger things. It has made at least 30 trips to south Texas but I haven't taken it in a long while because I'm afraid it'll get stolen so close to the border. I'm constantly being asked if I'm interested in selling it. Nope.

I keep it because the annual maintenance costs on it are a small fraction of what a monthly payment would be for a new one and I can do almost all of it myself. I've only paid two people to repair something on it in all this time. One to rebuild the 5 speed transmission and the clutch ($1200) 3 years ago and last summer I had the seat, headliner and sun visors reupholstered ($550). Today I'm replacing the pressure hose in the power steering, 35 bucks at AutoZone.

 

[Pato del Muerto 52554]

Iirc those straight 6s were beasts. 

[Amos Moses 795]

1 hour ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Jerry Reed is a legend.

And just pay once a month

Like you do your rent

[Longhornstampede 3186]

3 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Iirc those straight 6s were beasts. 

They are. You have to put some real effort into it to damage one.

[Celery Man 20987]

8 minutes ago, Longhornstampede said:

 

 

 

 

May be my age but this is my favorite vintage Ford truck. Hated the look of the next generation.