It’s time to talk about Nazi History

[Born to Run 6568]

Don't forget the NYT loved Hitler and Stalin!  
Time made them both of them "Man of the Year'...Stalin twice.  
Yet both hate Trump.  I see that as a positive. 

Man you are dumb.

[Brisketexan 104628]

A friend shared this with me.  Take it as you will.  I'm sure that many will disagree with it, nevermind that it's a real-world observation of EXACTLY how this shit happened, in an enlightened western nation, not very long ago.

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"You see," my colleague went on, "one doesn’t see exactly where or how to move. Believe me, this is true. Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow. You don’t want to act, or even talk, alone; you don’t want to ‘go out of your way to make trouble.’ Why not?—Well, you are not in the habit of doing it. And it is not just fear, fear of standing alone, that restrains you; it is also genuine uncertainty.

"Uncertainty is a very important factor, and, instead of decreasing as time goes on, it grows. Outside, in the streets, in the general community, ‘everyone’ is happy. One hears no protest, and certainly sees none. You know, in France or Italy there would be slogans against the government painted on walls and fences; in Germany, outside the great cities, perhaps, there is not even this. In the university community, in your own community, you speak privately to your colleagues, some of whom certainly feel as you do; but what do they say? They say, ‘It’s not so bad’ or ‘You’re seeing things’ or ‘You’re an alarmist.’

"And you are an alarmist. You are saying that this must lead to this, and you can’t prove it. These are the beginnings, yes; but how do you know for sure when you don’t know the end, and how do you know, or even surmise, the end? On the one hand, your enemies, the law, the regime, the Party, intimidate you. On the other, your colleagues pooh-pooh you as pessimistic or even neurotic. You are left with your close friends, who are, naturally, people who have always thought as you have.

"But your friends are fewer now. Some have drifted off somewhere or submerged themselves in their work. You no longer see as many as you did at meetings or gatherings. Informal groups become smaller; attendance drops off in little organizations, and the organizations themselves wither. Now, in small gatherings of your oldest friends, you feel that you are talking to yourselves, that you are isolated from the reality of things. This weakens your confidence still further and serves as a further deterrent to—to what? It is clearer all the time that, if you are going to do anything, you must make an occasion to do it, and then you are obviously a troublemaker. So you wait, and you wait.

"But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the ‘German Firm’ stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.

"And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self-deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying ‘Jewish swine,’ collapses it all at once, and you see that everything, everything, has changed and changed completely under your nose. The world you live in—your nation, your people—is not the world you were born in at all. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God. The system itself could not have intended this in the beginning, but in order to sustain itself it was compelled to go all the way.

-Milton Mayer (They Thought They Were Free, 1955)

 

 

[Goredho 17349]

3 hours ago, FWD said:

Ah yes, Winston Churchill, the Man Who is Famous for Being Pro-Nazi.

 

You are too stupid to breath.

Ah, yes, a self-fellating human cum sock.  It’s a quote.  Go dig up Churchill and bitch at him if you don’t like it.

[wildcat09 29258]

25 minutes ago, Goredho said:

Ah, yes, a self-fellating human cum sock.  It’s a quote.  Go dig up Churchill and bitch at him if you don’t like it.

I've got to give you credit, that's a legitimately great insult. You're still a fraud for blatantly misrepresenting the quote, but great fuckin burn, man.

[ChiTownDoc 21102]

4 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

Yep. That dude in the armored car on the bride is an example.

This sounds like some awesome porn I missed. 

[Theo Huxtable 48]

"It's not like we're putting them in Holocaust Centers." - Spicer

[Goredho 17349]

2 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

A friend shared this with me.  Take it as you will.  I'm sure that many will disagree with it, nevermind that it's a real-world observation of EXACTLY how this shit happened, in an enlightened western nation, not very long ago.

 

Thanks for sharing, here's some more from that.  Another piece from the link that struck me as very relevant to today:

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"This separation of government from people, this widening of the gap, took place so gradually and so insensibly, each step disguised (perhaps not even intentionally) as a temporary emergency measure or associated with true patriotic allegiance or with real social purposes. And all the crises and reforms (real reforms, too) so occupied the people that they did not see the slow motion underneath, of the whole process of government growing remoter and remoter.

...

"Your friend the baker was right," said my colleague. "The dictatorship, and the whole process of its coming into being, was above all diverting. It provided an excuse not to think for people who did not want to think anyway. I do not speak of your ‘little men,’ your baker and so on; I speak of my colleagues and myself, learned men, mind you. Most of us did not want to think about fundamental things and never had. There was no need to. Nazism gave us some dreadful, fundamental things to think about—we were decent people—and kept us so busy with continuous changes and ‘crises’ and so fascinated, yes, fascinated, by the machinations of the ‘national enemies,’ without and within, that we had no time to think about these dreadful things that were growing, little by little, all around us. Unconsciously, I suppose, we were grateful. Who wants to think?

Where we are now with Trumpism is the result of some decades of pandering to base emotions, conditioning and normalization.  Starting with Rush talking about feminazis and environmental wackos back in the 80s and currently ending with Trump's daily cycle of chaos and discord.  The attacks on our democratic allies, the cozying up to despots and the tossing of undesirable brown kids in cages.  It may go back before that, but it would be before my political awareness.

I find myself wanting to tune out, to be unaware.  To save myself the stress and worry of cognizance.  I don't think that's by accident.  If enough people succumb to that draw, then Trump is free to Trump and the rest of the GOP are free to remain in denial about their complicity.

There is one thing the alt-right is absolutely correct about -- our nation is in a great struggle for its survival.  Hell, for its right to deserve to exist.  Anyone that feels discomfort at what they are seeing out of our President or the GOP needs to realize this:  Trumpism gets defeated, or the American ideal ceases to be.

1 hour ago, wildcat09 said:

I've got to give you credit, that's a legitimately great insult. You're still a fraud for blatantly misrepresenting the quote, but great fuckin burn, man.

Dude, if you are going to try to insult me backhandedly, have some panache.  You totally missed the opportunity of "You're still a fräudlein..."

Edited June 19, 2018 by Goredho

[Biff Tannen 45499]

Is Goreho a troll or not?  Am I confusing him with someone else?  Legit confused here.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

2 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Is Goreho a troll or not?  Am I confusing him with someone else?  Legit confused here.

Yes

[Goredho 17349]

10 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Is Goreho a troll or not?  Am I confusing him with someone else?  Legit confused here.

[XR4ticlone 122]

7 hours ago, Born to Run said:

 

Man you are dumb.

 

https://www.dailywire.com/news/27036/new-york-times-praising-dictators-hitler-kim-jong-hank-berrien

But praising murderous dictators and their cohorts is nothing new for the Times; witness this puff piece the Times wrote about Adolf Hitler 10 days before World War II erupted:

And lest we forget, there was the infamous reporting of the Times on Josef Stalin that whitewashed that dictator in the 1930s.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Bumped for tjhooker

[Horn Dog 9674]

On 6/19/2018 at 1:36 AM, FondrenRoad said:

But now, I'd put us at 1931. 

So are we at 1932 now?

[phdhorn 6224]

On 6/19/2018 at 11:03 AM, FWD said:

You are too stupid to breath.

LOL, I know this was posted awhile back, but perusing this thread, this made me laugh.  Probably more than Hitler would have laughed.  That hard.

Dude?  I mean, really...

[Brisketexan 104628]

Huh. Interesting. Looked back at my post 52. It’s only gotten more accurate.

 

I mean, we’ve now advanced to sending bombs to the people Trump attacks, and shooting a bunch of Jews because (and man, ain’t THIS a bonus) they are too kind to beaners.

 

Ho hum. Just more incremental shit. More incremental shit to come. But hey, no need to be alarmed. I mean, unless you 1) openly oppose Trump, or 2) are Jewish, or 3) are brown. Other than that, all is hunky dory, and anyone who says otherwise is an alarmist.

 

Just like last time.

 

 

 

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Couple the insane political climate with a POTUS that enjoys inflicting pain and exacting revenge, and it's a nasty brew.

[BrickHorn 18194]

4 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Huh. Interesting. Looked back at my post 52. It’s only gotten more accurate.

 

I mean, we’ve now advanced to sending bombs to the people Trump attacks, and shooting a bunch of Jews because (and man, ain’t THIS a bonus) they are too kind to beaners.

 

Ho hum. Just more incremental shit. More incremental shit to come. But hey, no need to be alarmed. I mean, unless you 1) openly oppose Trump, or 2) are Jewish, or 3) are brown. Other than that, all is hunky dory, and anyone who says otherwise is an alarmist.

 

Just like last time.

The difference is this: here and now, there is an organized resistance.  Participation in society isn’t dwindling.  It’s intensifying.  This is not a society meekly succumbing to fascism.  We are fighting.  Legally.  Within the system we believe in.

That effort may yet fail.  But it has not yet.  And if it fails, it won’t be for lack of trying or due to indifferent acceptance, as was the case in Nazi Germany.

[Brisketexan 104628]

The difference is this: here and now, there is an organized resistance.  Participation in society isn’t dwindling.  It’s intensifying.  This is not a society meekly succumbing to fascism.  We are fighting.  Legally.  Within the system we believe in.
That effort may yet fail.  But it has not yet.  And if it fails, it won’t be for lack of trying or due to indifferent acceptance, as was the case in Nazi Germany.

I truly hope that you are right.

Of course, I live in a state that is going to easily re-elect Ted Cruz, instead of choosing a decent human being who would represent all people, so I hope you understand my pessimism.

[SmokeyTheBear 5562]

29 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

The difference is this: here and now, there is an organized resistance.  Participation in society isn’t dwindling.  It’s intensifying.  This is not a society meekly succumbing to fascism.  We are fighting.  Legally.  Within the system we believe in.

That effort may yet fail.  But it has not yet.  And if it fails, it won’t be for lack of trying or due to indifferent acceptance, as was the case in Nazi Germany.

But there is still the civil side of this that is harder to control. 3 days, 3 events that seem to be linked to the tenor of this administration. Not saying this administration is calling for these acts outright, but certainly haven't taken the oxygen from the fire that is increasing in our society. Even if/when this administration leaves, these fires are lit. And what concerns me most is that we have a not so insignificant portion of our population willing to minimize the correlation of these events, thus again allowing fires to grow. 

So to round it out. When the likes of @tjhooker go around spending more energy attacking the response to these tragic events than admonishing them, needling at the outlying datapoints to try and collapse the main connections.....it doesn't necessarily make him a Nazi....but it does make him a sympathizer. Which is just as dangerous. And should be called out. 

Edited October 28, 2018 by SmokeyTheBear

[Brisketexan 104628]

But there is still the civil side of this that is harder to control. 3 days, 3 events that seem to be linked to the tenor of this administration. Not saying this administration is calling for these acts outright, but certainly haven't taken the oxygen from the fire that is increasing in our society. Even if/when this administration leaves, these fires are lit. And what concerns me most is that we have a not so insignificant portion of our population willing to minimize the correlation of these events, thus again allowing fires to grow. 

So to round it out. When the likes of [mention=2648]tjhooker[/mention] go around spending more energy attacking the response to these tragic events than admonishing them, needling at the outlying datapoints to try and collapse the main connections.....it doesn't necessarily make him a Nazi....but it does make him a sympathizer. Which is just as dangerous. And should be called out. 

Nazis didn’t prevail because the majority of the german population hated Jews. They prevailed because the majority EXCUSED and ACCEPTED a political movement that fomented hatred of Jews.

 

When you see someone tossing lit matches into dry grass, and you don’t run over and 1) stomp out each fire, and 2) tackle the dumbass tossing lit matches, you’re part of the problem. Bystanders who LET EVIL HAPPEN are a necessary ingredient for evil to happen. We have tens of millions of Americans who either support, or simply shrug their shoulders and don’t oppose, evil, including the violent rhetoric that is its language.

 

Good fights “fair.” Evil fights dirty. Good is in an untenable position. It’s usually a losing position.

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Right wing media has told the Trumpkins for years that the Ds and the leftist media always take advantage of them. In the Trumpkins' minds, the bad guys always win.

They now have a leader who will play dirty enough to win. If it leaves a bad taste in their mouths, then they can live with that to beat the libtards.

[wildcat09 29258]

On 10/28/2018 at 10:05 AM, BrickHorn said:

The difference is this: here and now, there is an organized resistance.  Participation in society isn’t dwindling.  It’s intensifying.  This is not a society meekly succumbing to fascism.  We are fighting.  Legally.  Within the system we believe in.

That effort may yet fail.  But it has not yet.  And if it fails, it won’t be for lack of trying or due to indifferent acceptance, as was the case in Nazi Germany.

A lot of Germans fought it too. The problem then, as now, is that those who saw the threat for what it was were dismissed as hysterical leftists by a bunch of "moderates" and "centrists" who were fine with enabling the fascists so long as they got something out of it and the fascists targeted someone that wasn't them. 

[F250 28691]

2 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

A lot of Germans fought it too. The problem then, as now, is that those who saw the threat for what it was were dismissed as hysterical leftists by a bunch of "moderates" and "centrists" who were fine with enabling the fascists so long as they got something out of it and the fascists targeted someone that wasn't them. 

I believe a minority of Germans resisted. As I recall, the only legitimate opposition to the Nazis was the SDP which was a minority party. The Nazis embraced a lot of socialist ideals in order to satisfy German socialists and defang any threat from the SDP. The KDP were Soviet affiliates and they were used as a communist boogeyman and easily ousted from German politics.

Germany was such a mish mash of political alliances up until the rise of the Nazis, its really difficult to compare it to our current time frame.

 

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

On 6/18/2018 at 9:20 PM, Hugo Stiglitz said:

The Nazis never saw themselves as villains. 

 

You look at the horrible atrocities they committed and you think they MUST have known they were the monsters. 

 

But they didn't. 

 

Instead, the Nazis thought they themselves were the VICTIMS. 

 

That's how the Nazi party came to be in the first place, you know, how it rose to power. 

 

The Nazis convinced Germany that it had been victimized by the rest of the world. Had somehow lost its greatness, lost its place among nations. Disrespected. Treated unfairly. 

 

Nazis thought themselves victims, persecuted by elitism. By liberalism. By intellectualism.  By foreign influence. By multiculturalism. By a loss of manly vigor. By dilution and/or contamination of racial purity. By unemployment and economic disadvantage. 

 

When they came to power, the Nazis didn't think of themselves as villains, rather they were convinced that they were heroes. They saw themselves as restoring the might of Germany, forging a new civilization that would last a thousand years. 

 

They firmly believed they were right.

 

They believed that history would vindicate their actions. All the horror would be justified when they triumphed. Because THEN people would FINALLY understand. 

 

They believed that when the world looked upon the mighty works of Nazi engineering, the miracles of Nazi science, the purity and beauty and genetic superiority of the Aryan race, at the order and security of Nazi society, well, THEN the rest of the world would understand. 

 

They thought the rest of the world would admire them for what they had done. 

 

They wanted the world's fear and respect -- for in their minds fear and respect were the same thing. 

 

They were blind to the horror they created. Purposely so. 

 

The Nazis never saw themselves as villains. 

 

Villains never do. 

 

They told themselves they were making their country great again and the atrocities were necessary to that greatness and would be justified in the end. 

 

And little by little, bit by bit, they become monsters. 

 

Little by little, bit by bit, we become monsters. 

 

Our leaders tell us that we are losing our identity, our history, our rights and privileges, our security and we come to fear that they are right. 

 

This is how it goes. 

 

And little by little, bit by bit, we become monsters.

 

Cages. 

 

They say it's not inaccurate. They  say, well, yes, it may be cages, they may be putting children in cages, but they are not being treated like animals. In cages. 

 

Little by little, bit by bit, rationalized, normalized, we become monsters. 

 

They made us do it, you see. If they had not come seeking our mercy, why, we wouldn't have had to put their children into cages. We had to do it, to protect America. 

 

Little by little, bit by bit, we become the monsters. 

 

Some were already monsters. 

 

Little by little, bit by bit, it became normal for them to show themselves in public. To take pride in their monstrousness and raise up horror as a virtue.  

 

Little by little, bit by bit, the atrocities are justified in the name of law and order, in the name of security, because we had to, and we become the monsters. 

 

 

(From @stonekettle)

Bump because this is still topical, sadly.

[Zavala 1384]

1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Bump because this is still topical, sadly.

Necrobump cuz Orange man bad and his supporters are all Nazis! Punch them!

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

4 minutes ago, Zavala said:

Orange man bad

Totally true.  There is literally no substance on this board of any factual basis for hating Trump.  It's just because everyone is so crazy!  Orange man bad is as sophisticated of a thought as I have ever given to my conclusion I don't like him, I can tell you that.

[JimmyJames 12271]

Trump is worse than bad and his supporters, the trumpkins, are ignorant sheeple. So yes just like the Nazis.

It’s still early though and not too late. Sheeple can be forced to change course. Germany never did unfortunately until the Americans, UK and Russians forced them too. Let’s hope we don’t suffer a similar fate, or worse. 

Edited July 15, 2019 by JimmyJames

[F250 28691]

10 minutes ago, Zavala said:

Necrobump cuz Orange man bad and his supporters are all Nazis! Punch them!

I agree with your sentiment. Comparing Trump and his supporters to Nazis isn't useful, actually it is counterproductive. The comparison comes off as hyperbole and causes people to tune it out.

The Trump administration has committed enough authoritarian acts that it warrants more than enough criticism without having to default to the Nazi label.

 

 

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13546]

Only his most fervent supporters identify themselves as Nazis. See? Not so bad!

 

https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/You-really-can-t-ignore-it-Nazi-flags-spotted-14055228.php

[tantric superman 4667]

How would I know why there were Nazis?

I don't even know how the toaster works.

 

[Upgrayedd 5806]

20 minutes ago, F250 said:

I agree with your sentiment. Comparing Trump and his supporters to Nazis isn't useful, actually it is counterproductive. The comparison comes off as hyperbole and causes people to tune it out.

The Trump administration has committed enough authoritarian acts that it warrants more than enough criticism without having to default to the Nazi label.

 

 

Nazi light?

[Brisketexan 104628]

1 hour ago, F250 said:

I agree with your sentiment. Comparing Trump and his supporters to Nazis isn't useful, actually it is counterproductive. The comparison comes off as hyperbole and causes people to tune it out.

The Trump administration has committed enough authoritarian acts that it warrants more than enough criticism without having to default to the Nazi label.

 

 

Seems what I quoted before bears repeating.  The argument is not "we've gone over the cliff."  The argument is that we are on a sustained path TOWARDS the cliff, and the time to stop that path is sooner rather than later.

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"You see," my colleague went on, "one doesn’t see exactly where or how to move. Believe me, this is true. Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow. You don’t want to act, or even talk, alone; you don’t want to ‘go out of your way to make trouble.’ Why not?—Well, you are not in the habit of doing it. And it is not just fear, fear of standing alone, that restrains you; it is also genuine uncertainty.

"Uncertainty is a very important factor, and, instead of decreasing as time goes on, it grows. Outside, in the streets, in the general community, ‘everyone’ is happy. One hears no protest, and certainly sees none. You know, in France or Italy there would be slogans against the government painted on walls and fences; in Germany, outside the great cities, perhaps, there is not even this. In the university community, in your own community, you speak privately to your colleagues, some of whom certainly feel as you do; but what do they say? They say, ‘It’s not so bad’ or ‘You’re seeing things’ or ‘You’re an alarmist.’

"And you are an alarmist. You are saying that this must lead to this, and you can’t prove it. These are the beginnings, yes; but how do you know for sure when you don’t know the end, and how do you know, or even surmise, the end? On the one hand, your enemies, the law, the regime, the Party, intimidate you. On the other, your colleagues pooh-pooh you as pessimistic or even neurotic. You are left with your close friends, who are, naturally, people who have always thought as you have.

"But your friends are fewer now. Some have drifted off somewhere or submerged themselves in their work. You no longer see as many as you did at meetings or gatherings. Informal groups become smaller; attendance drops off in little organizations, and the organizations themselves wither. Now, in small gatherings of your oldest friends, you feel that you are talking to yourselves, that you are isolated from the reality of things. This weakens your confidence still further and serves as a further deterrent to—to what? It is clearer all the time that, if you are going to do anything, you must make an occasion to do it, and then you are obviously a troublemaker. So you wait, and you wait.

"But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the ‘German Firm’ stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.

"And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self-deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying ‘Jewish swine,’ collapses it all at once, and you see that everything, everything, has changed and changed completely under your nose. The world you live in—your nation, your people—is not the world you were born in at all. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God. The system itself could not have intended this in the beginning, but in order to sustain itself it was compelled to go all the way.

-Milton Mayer (They Thought They Were Free, 1955)

 

[lemonlime 5503]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

Seems what I quoted before bears repeating.  The argument is not "we've gone over the cliff."  The argument is that we are on a sustained path TOWARDS the cliff, and the time to stop that path is sooner rather than later.

 

I remember when the "shithole countries" comment was a scandal.  Or when he said Mika's face was bleeding.  It just keeps incrementally escalating.  And the same people pretend to be vaguely troubled, while secretly cheering trump on, and the same people are horrified, but a little less so than the time before.

[Brisketexan 104628]

3 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

I remember when the "shithole countries" comment was a scandal.  Or when he said Mika's face was bleeding.  It just keeps incrementally escalating.  And the same people pretend to be vaguely troubled, while secretly cheering trump on, and the same people are horrified, but a little less so than the time before.

Gosh....I mean....WHERE, oh WHERE have we seen that script before?  Hmmmm.....

[DixonHur 11227]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

Seems what I quoted before bears repeating.  The argument is not "we've gone over the cliff."  The argument is that we are on a sustained path TOWARDS the cliff, and the time to stop that path is sooner rather than later.

Oh, we've already gone over the cliff.  The question is how far do we fall, and how do we climb back up.

Edited July 15, 2019 by DixonHur

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

My Nazi comparison complaint: it implies that Nazism is the line.  So long as we aren’t gassing people or taking their businesses or whatever, we aren’t the bad guys.  How about equality or something like that being the line?

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Our hearts are hard. Concentration camps with deplorable conditions continue to operate the same as they did a week ago. There is no bottom.

[Brisketexan 104628]

4 minutes ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

My Nazi comparison complaint: it implies that Nazism is the line.  So long as we aren’t gassing people or taking their businesses or whatever, we aren’t the bad guys.  How about equality or something like that being the line?

It's not that "Nazism" (that is, the evils done thereunder) is the line -- it's that it's the inevitable DESTINATION based on the PATH that we are on.

Analogy: we are living off of a diet of bacon, fried chicken and ice cream, at a rate of 15,000 calories the day.  We aren't dead yet -- no heart attack, stroke, suffocation under our own fat, etc.....yet.  So far, we're just rapidly gaining weight, and our ankles are hurting when we walk.

Some of us are saying STOP -- we're fucking killing ourselves with the bacon/popeye's/ice cream diet!  We have to alter course NOW, before we do irreversible damage (nevermind that I think we've already done some irreversible damage).  But the response is "quit with your alarmism.  We've been eating like this for 2 years now, and we're not dead of a heart attack."

That's fucking insanity.  There's only one end to the bacon/popeye's/ice cream diet (oh, and by the way, every week or so, we add something else to the mix -- Ding Dongs, chicken nuggets, quadruple cheeseburgers, etc.).  We should stop.  We should stop right now.

[suddenly shaggy 929]

4 hours ago, DixonHur said:

Oh, we've already gone over the cliff.  The question is how far do we fall, and how do we climb back up.

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6 hours ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

My Nazi comparison complaint: it implies that Nazism is the line.  So long as we aren’t gassing people or taking their businesses or whatever, we aren’t the bad guys.  How about equality or something like that being the line?

My complaint is that is implies there is a coherent, long-term plan with this administration.  There's not.  He's simply reacting to circumstances that surround him.

His batshit rhetoric ratchets way up anytime a negative story starts to touch him.

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6 hours ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

My Nazi comparison complaint: it implies that Nazism is the line.  So long as we aren’t gassing people or taking their businesses or whatever, we aren’t the bad guys.  How about equality or something like that being the line?

I agree and the comparison quickly turns into a red herring by defenders of the administration. It's an easy distraction that Trumpism vanishes behind once people end up arguing about the historical facts of Nazi Germany.

As I previously said, the Trump administration has done more than enough to be criticized on its own. Trump is buried in a gigantic pile of shit. Drop the comparison to Nazis and just hammer away at the specific illegal and unethical behavior over and over.

Separating children from their parents and locking them up in cages is a crime against humanity.

Evoking "go back to your country" to ethnic minorities in Congress is racist and a slap in the face to the Constitution.

Blatantly race baiting is unacceptable.

Blatantly lining your pockets with tax payer dollars is highly unethical.

Violating the emoluments clause is unethical and illegal.

Violating the Hatch Act is unlawful.

Lying every fucking day is unacceptable.

Keep it simple like Benghazi or her emails.

 

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15 hours ago, F250 said:

I agree with your sentiment. Comparing Trump and his supporters to Nazis isn't useful, actually it is counterproductive. The comparison comes off as hyperbole and causes people to tune it out.

The Trump administration has committed enough authoritarian acts that it warrants more than enough criticism without having to default to the Nazi label.

 

 

Not to equate these two comparisons necessarily, but I pretty much tune out any left-wing source involving the word "Nazi" and any right-wing source involving the word "socialism" right now.  If they can't write a compelling narrative/argument without those terms in play, they probably aren't a good enough writer to persuade me.  Of course, there is the small chance something involving these things truly would impact me, but given the realities of how I value my own time (especially to spend with family and friends) (and time I have always even when poor considered more valuable than money above the basic ability of money to not be homeless and be fed ok), you have to make decisions that attempt to make your time as efficient as possible.

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Nazi lady convicted as accessory to 10,000 murders. 
 

 

 

[Willfully Horn 7916]

58 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

Nazi lady convicted as accessory to 10,000 murders. 
 

 

Pissed that murder-enabling witch lived so long without facing consequences.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

 

Let the maker sort her out.

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9 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

Let the maker sort her out.

lol. that doesn't exist. she got off basically consequence-free

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40 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

lol. that doesn't exist. she got off basically consequence-free

Seriously. 

Wednesday: life in prison

Next Wednesday: death in prison of natural causes

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Her natural death, which should be arriving directly, will not be without impact.  She will serve as a reminder to those who keep forgetting history, over and over again.  This shit only lasts temporarily.  Your hatred's warmth only lasts so long.  If you're the leader, the furnace lighter, the flag waiver, or just the stenographer...in the end...you never end up being remembered how you think.  It may take a year, a century, a millennia.  You always fall on the wrong side of history.  There are millions just like her in my own country right now...just waiting for the call to corral the undesired.  All they need is the tap on the shoulder and the justification comes organically.  

She obviously survived this long because she had no consciousness eating away at her soul.  What awaits her is punishment enough.  We spend so much time worrying and pitying what happened to those people on the trains.  In another world, there's a genocide of the hateful people that do evil shit like this in the first place.  They get eradicated.  Evacuated.  I propose a cleansing of evil.  Get them on the trains.  Link your arms and your ministries.  

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burn that cunt at the stake 

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On 12/21/2022 at 6:31 PM, hpslugga said:

Seriously. 

Wednesday: life in prison

Next Wednesday: death in prison of natural causes

She was tried in juvenile court and received two years of juvenile probation. Nice headline for the prosecutors, but that's about it.