2019 DE T'Vondre Sweat

[fellside 1114]

A lot of high schools lift programs are superset, full body workouts.  They'll target five different muscle groups rapidly in a 30-45 minute period.  It's good for conditioning but I don't think it's good for building muscle.  So most guys are "beginners" when they get to college.  A beginner can expect to grow muscle more rapidly than the average person.

Having said all that, human beings cannot add more than a few pounds of muscle per month.  3 lbs of muscle in one month would be a lot.  Which leaves several options.

1. Guys like Sweat weren't measured accurately before showing up on campus.

2. Guys are adding a lot of fat and water weight in addition to the muscle gains.

3. Guys are using performance enhancing drugs (even then it wouldn't account for 30 lbs in two months)

All of those could be true, but #2 has to be true.  When you see that guys put on that much weight, most of it is not muscle.

[Gene Parmesan 4008]

Each F250 better be stocked with steroids, or I'll be pulling back the $100 I donated.

[Burt Macklin 19038]

2 hours ago, texifornia said:

Put it in the Yancy thread, but though I'd drop it here, too:

Lulz. Sweat wasn’t 250 lbs when he finished HS and he has a huge frame.

These are the same dumbasses that think Bobby Brown looking like the pillsbury doughboy at 330 lbs means he’s going to be a beast.

[Hank_Hill 18885]

I barely believe the 320 number reported by our school. I DEFINITELY don’t believe any measurements from high school. 

[Machinator 32099]

People who saw Sweat in-person in the fall said he was closer to 280.

[Chili dog 1787]

51 minutes ago, fellside said:

A lot of high schools lift programs are superset, full body workouts.  They'll target five different muscle groups rapidly in a 30-45 minute period.  It's good for conditioning but I don't think it's good for building muscle.  So most guys are "beginners" when they get to college.  A beginner can expect to grow muscle more rapidly than the average person.

Having said all that, human beings cannot add more than a few pounds of muscle per month.  3 lbs of muscle in one month would be a lot.  Which leaves several options.

1. Guys like Sweat weren't measured accurately before showing up on campus.

2. Guys are adding a lot of fat and water weight in addition to the muscle gains.

3. Guys are using performance enhancing drugs (even then it wouldn't account for 30 lbs in two months)

All of those could be true, but #2 has to be true.  When you see that guys put on that much weight, most of it is not muscle.

 

3 minutes ago, Machinator said:

People who saw Sweat in-person in the fall said he was closer to 280.

30-40 lbs since last fall is doable without PEDs. My brother hit his growth spurt in the spring of his freshman year playing for a top-10 FBS team and went from 200 to 235 in a semester. I’m 99% certain he wasn’t juicing.  

[fellside 1114]

20 minutes ago, Chili dog said:

 

30-40 lbs since last fall is doable without PEDs. My brother hit his growth spurt in the spring of his freshman year playing for a top-10 FBS team and went from 200 to 235 in a semester. I’m 99% certain he wasn’t juicing.  

No one is doubting that.  We're discussion going from 250-320 and we're discussing Orlando's claims that Texas can put on 30 lbs in two months.

[Pato del Muerto 52529]

Just now, fellside said:

No one is doubting that.  We're discussion going from 250-320 and we're discussing Orlando's claims that Texas can put on 30 lbs in two months.

Neither the 250 nor the 320 are verified and are both likely incorrect. 

The other, it can’t be 30 lbs of muscle in that amount of time, that’d be 1/2 lb every day. There may be some hyperbole happening there. 

[Chili dog 1787]

2 minutes ago, fellside said:

No one is doubting that.  We're discussion going from 250-320 and we're discussing Orlando's claims that Texas can put on 30 lbs in two months.

I think 30 lbs in two months is doable. It won’t be pure muscle, but it’s doable. And if you’ll notice, this conversation has taken many turns. I was responding to the bot’s post about Sweat weighing closer to 280 last fall. I’m saying 280 to 320 in 6-8 months is very doable. We on the same page? 

[Chili dog 1787]

3 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Neither the 250 nor the 320 are verified and are both likely incorrect. 

The other, it can’t be 30 lbs of muscle in that amount of time, that’d be 1/2 lb every day. There may be some hyperbole happening there. 

This

[gmr548 16580]

No doubt he's put on weight, and yeah, if we're talking 50 plus pounds, it probably isn't all muscle. A couple things to consider though:

1.) If he is listed at 6'4" 320lbs on the official roster, he is 6'3" and maybe 300lbs. All sports teams do that.

2.) He absolutely won't be playing at 320 if he does work his way on the field this year. Linemen don't retain the weight they pack on in the off season after fall camp and into the season. Loss of 10+ pounds over the course of the season is normal.

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[HtownHorn 14726]

With the way this coaching staff stresses proper hydration, there is no doubt most of these weights include water. Not knowing when the weights are taken, but usually the best time to weigh someone is right after the get up in the morning.

 

I also laugh at the aggy who said Sweat would barely be able to play 2-3 snaps this year. No fuckstick. he's going to RS and not play any snaps this year, because Texas RS's their linemen now.

Edited July 26, 2019 by HtownHorn

[Katfid54 8635]

7 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

I also laugh at the aggy who said Sweat would barely be able to play 2-3 snaps this year. No fuckstick. he's going to RS and not play any snaps this year, because Texas RS's their linemen now.

Do you even The 4 Game Rule, bro?

[HtownHorn 14726]

1 minute ago, Katfid54 said:

Do you even The 4 Game Rule, bro?

Talk to Carson about it, he may have a differing opinion.

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13119]

21 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Neither the 250 nor the 320 are verified and are both likely incorrect. 

The other, it can’t be 30 lbs of muscle in that amount of time, that’d be 1/2 lb every day. There may be some hyperbole happening there. 

I’ve seen a lot of muscle put on South Austin’s mom in one night.

[Machinator 32099]

Herman said in his post-NSD1 conference that he thought Sweat could play early. I think he could see snaps (while redshirting) in the back half of the season.

[Thiefery 5013]

Sweat will see the field towards the end of the season.

[Thiefery 5013]

1 minute ago, Casual Encounter said:

I’ve seen a lot of muscle put on South Austin’s mom in one night.

Case?

[Chili dog 1787]

2 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

Talk to Carson about it, he may have a differing opinion.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought Carson was a little light and needed to put on some weight. If so, he and Sweat are in two different situations. 

[Burt Macklin 19038]

10 minutes ago, Machinator said:

Herman said in his post-NSD1 conference that he thought Sweat could play early. I think he could see snaps (while redshirting) in the back half of the season.

 Not possible. Carson redshirted and didn’t play all last year, therefore every DL must redshirt by not playing at all (except for Coburn and Ojomo of course). 

[SquishMitten 10415]

Maybe I’m missing something, but how has it only been “two months” since December?

[gurt 749]

2 hours ago, fellside said:

A lot of high schools lift programs are superset, full body workouts.  They'll target five different muscle groups rapidly in a 30-45 minute period.  It's good for conditioning but I don't think it's good for building muscle.  So most guys are "beginners" when they get to college.  A beginner can expect to grow muscle more rapidly than the average person.

Having said all that, human beings cannot add more than a few pounds of muscle per month.  3 lbs of muscle in one month would be a lot.  Which leaves several options.

1. Guys like Sweat weren't measured accurately before showing up on campus.

2. Guys are adding a lot of fat and water weight in addition to the muscle gains.

3. Guys are using performance enhancing drugs (even then it wouldn't account for 30 lbs in two months)

All of those could be true, but #2 has to be true.  When you see that guys put on that much weight, most of it is not muscle.

Yep, you've got it right.  He mostly put on fat and water, with some increase in muscle mass and probably a large degree of strength.  Strength and muscle mass are obviously highly correlated, but you can add a lot more strength than muscle depending on how you train.  See powerlifters vs bodybuilders.  

Edited July 26, 2019 by gurt

[sushihorn 3233]

25 minutes ago, Casual Encounter said:

I’ve seen a lot of muscle put on South Austin’s mom in one night.

I think you'd have to count a lot of that as water weight.

[Walden Ponderer 12639]

4 hours ago, Rockethorn1978 said:

I mean it’s a valid question, how does someone gain that much weight since December all natural? I would say this is the quickest I’ve seen yancy do that so it’s an exception and not the rule. 

Living rent free in aggy head though haha.

The long and short of it is, there's no way to know how much a person can actually gain sans PEDs. There's just way too much variability. For example:

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In one study, a group of 66 people trained their legs three days a week for a total of four months. At the end of the study, the researchers analyzed the training logs of each subject, and found no difference in training intensity, volume, or adherence to the program. Despite this, there were wide differences in muscle growth from person to person.

“At the end of the training, the subjects fell rather neatly into three groups,” explains David Epstein in his book The Sports Gene: Inside the Science of Extraordinary Athletic Performance. “Those whose thigh muscle fibers grew 50 percent in size; those whose fibers grew 25 percent; and those who had no increase in muscle size at all.

This is one of the reasons why it is vitally important when recruiting kids whom you believe need to add a lot of mass to get to know their families, delve into some history, and get a general idea of the genetic propensity to add mass (or not).

[BabaYaga 15301]

1 hour ago, gmr548 said:

Linemen don't retain the weight they pack on in the off season after fall camp and into the season. Loss of 10+ pounds over the course of the season is normal.

As well as intentional.  They know these big guys vacillate in weight between seasons

[Katfid54 8635]

2 minutes ago, Walden Ponderer said:

The long and short of it is, there's no way to know how much a person can actually gain sans PEDs. There's just way too much variability. For example:

This is one of the reasons why it is vitally important when recruiting kids whom you believe need to add a lot of mass to get to know their families, delve into some history, and get a general idea of the genetic propensity to add mass (or not).

i added my genetic mass to your mom's vagina last night.

[BabaYaga 15301]

3 minutes ago, Walden Ponderer said:

This is one of the reasons why it is vitally important when recruiting kids whom you believe need to add a lot of mass to get to know their families, delve into some history, and get a general idea of the genetic propensity to add mass (or not).

As well as any congenital health related items.  I'm looking at you cardiomyopathy.

[BabaYaga 15301]

2 minutes ago, Katfid54 said:

i added my genetic mass to your mom's vagina last night.

[Walden Ponderer 12639]

4 minutes ago, Katfid54 said:

i added my genetic mass to your mom's vagina last night.

My mom could be generously described as one of the most butt-ugly women ever to walk the Earth. Her PhD is from aggy, if that gives you any idea.

[mr. sunshine 2827]

46 minutes ago, SquishMitten said:

Maybe I’m missing something, but how has it only been “two months” since December?

Offseason wormhole. Thank God

[Katfid54 8635]

15 minutes ago, Walden Ponderer said:

My mom could be generously described as one of the most butt-ugly women ever to walk the Earth.

................pics?

[Walden Ponderer 12639]

55 minutes ago, Katfid54 said:

................pics?

[Katfid54 8635]

5 minutes ago, Walden Ponderer said:

still would.

[Magus Ossis 2802]

Hard to say what the max muscle mass gain is while still “coloring inside the lines.” A middle-aged woman can put on about a pound of muscle mass in a month of training. Gains in muscle mass are dependent on a number of factors, many of which are only now being understood. Meal frequency in general is better higher, but each meal needs to trigger a leucine threshold, and the refractory period for the state induced is not entirely defined. Androgens like DHT boost weight gain, in some studies by as much as 1kg (2 lbs) per month. Teenage men have some of the highest natural androgen levels of anyone on the planet. Also, a 6’5” man with a wide frame has a lot more opportunity to increase muscle mass in absolute terms than a 5’3” woman. I could believe 4 lbs/month lean mass added, but would find over 10 straining credulity. 

[HtownHorn 14726]

2 hours ago, SquishMitten said:

Maybe I’m missing something, but how has it only been “two months” since December?

It's been two months since he arrived on campus.

[sushihorn 3233]

According to T'Vondre Sweat's recruiting profile he was 6'3" in HS.  If he is 6'5" now he could easily be 25-30 lbs heavier with exactly the same build.  If he's also bulking up in the weight room on top of that...

[Hank Scorpio 17729]

 

[SquishMitten 10415]

9 hours ago, texifornia said:

Put it in the Yancy thread, but though I'd drop it here, too:

 

1 hour ago, HtownHorn said:

It's been two months since he arrived on campus.

So this argument is based on the premise that he gained 35 lbs between “high school” and December. Zero lbs from December to May. Then 35 lbs from May until now?

Edited July 26, 2019 by SquishMitten

[Bevo 13579]

6 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

It’s not that hard to gain 35 pounds of muscle in the offseason if you just hit the gym really hard.  

What if I just eat brisket and drink beer?

[lemonandaturd 4285]

Sweat would  kick Bobby Brown's lard ass in a cage match.  

[Hank Scorpio 17729]

From what I’m hearing the coaches don’t want him getting too big, but they can’t seem to stop him. He’s up to 6’7 375 and has been banned from the weight room. 

[texifornia 57014]

1 minute ago, Hank Scorpio said:

From what I’m hearing the coaches don’t want him getting too big, but they can’t seem to stop him. He’s up to 6’7 375 and has been banned from the weight room. 

Austin 2021:

[HtownHorn 14726]

2 hours ago, SquishMitten said:

 

So this argument is based on the premise that he gained 35 lbs between “high school” and December. Zero lbs from December to May. Then 35 lbs from May until now?

It's aggy.

[Sgt Hulk 13786]

7 hours ago, Magus Ossis said:

Hard to say what the max muscle mass gain is while still “coloring inside the lines.” A middle-aged woman can put on about a pound of muscle mass in a month of training. Gains in muscle mass are dependent on a number of factors, many of which are only now being understood. Meal frequency in general is better higher, but each meal needs to trigger a leucine threshold, and the refractory period for the state induced is not entirely defined. Androgens like DHT boost weight gain, in some studies by as much as 1kg (2 lbs) per month. Teenage men have some of the highest natural androgen levels of anyone on the planet. Also, a 6’5” man with a wide frame has a lot more opportunity to increase muscle mass in absolute terms than a 5’3” woman. I could believe 4 lbs/month lean mass added, but would find over 10 straining credulity. 

this,  I'd love to see before and after pics.  30-40 lbs in 7 months sure. maybe, not pure mass.  15lbs a month, maybe if noob gains and crazy caloric surplus.  well trained athletes gains slow over time, but ive seen some great noob gains in my 25 years of training,  that includes senior year to freshman in college  so a big 6'5 kid hitting a late spurt, with college level feeding and training i'd expect to see some good mass.  a seasoned trained vet  not so much.

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[texifornia 57014]

3 minutes ago, Sgt Hulk said:

this,  I'd love to see before and after pics.  30-40 lbs in 7 months sure. maybe, not pure mass.  15lbs a month, maybe if noob gains and crazy caloric surplus.  well trained athletes gains slow over time, but ive seen some great noob gains in my 25 years of training,  that includes senior year to freshman in college  so a big 6'5 kid hitting a late spurt, with college level feeding and training i'd expect to see some good mass.  a seasoned trained vet  not so much.

plus cell tech

Best I could do - T'Vondre before his commitment:

T'Vondre 4 days ago:

It's hard to see where the weight went. Dude isn't Bobby Brown sloppy.

Edited July 27, 2019 by texifornia

[Hank_Hill 18885]

Definitely leaner. It's probably all in the hair also.

[Reese Bennett 3615]

When he was listed as 265.

When he wasn't 265:

Here he is in his last HS game:

 

[NorLa Horns 1458]

On 7/26/2019 at 6:45 PM, Bevo said:

What if I just eat brisket and drink beer?

between frosh and soph years. gained 45 lbs in less than 3 months. steak , potatoes (worked at a steakhouse) tacos and beer. 

lifting heavy 2 times a week. 

its possible. 

course i lost it all in less tha 2 months. 2 a days in Arkansas sucks. 

[futureman 22488]

8 minutes ago, NorLa Horns said:

between frosh and soph years. gained 45 lbs in less than 3 months. steak , potatoes (worked at a steakhouse) tacos and beer. 

lifting heavy 2 times a week. 

its possible. 

but was it lean mass?

[NorLa Horns 1458]

20 minutes ago, futureman said:

but was it lean mass?

most likely most of it was warer retention from the beer and 20 lbs of rotting meat in my intestines. 

yummy