Tender Age Shelters

[Patricio Swayze 17058]

I am guessing htownhorn is another holocaust denier. Sad.

[Mojo Hand 4580]

Just now, HtownHorn said:

But at the same time can block any bill brought to the floor.

Which is purely defensive in nature and not the same thing as the power you ascribed to affirmatively fix a law.   That would require the majority working with the Ds on a bipartisan bill. 

[lemonlime 5503]

14 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

Yeah Senate minority who can't get a single bill brought to the floor under McConnell!   Fix the law! 

Exactly.  If Trumpublicans  actually wanted this fixed the compromise would be between the dems and the GOP.  Instead the House "compromise" bill is between two different wings of the house GOP, with no dem involvement at all, and without the votes to pass it even with a majority.

 

They don't want to fix it anyway.  They want to demagogue against MS-13 and those dangerous brown people in ads in the fall.  They have zero desire or ability to actually govern.  

[ScottishHorn 172]

1 minute ago, Mojo Hand said:

Which is purely defensive in nature and not the same thing as the power you ascribed to affirmatively fix a law.   That would require the majority working with the Ds on a bipartisan bill. 

Why do we need to fix a law?  I thought it was all Trump's fault

[HtownHorn 14690]

Watching the libs cover for Obama in this thread is fucking hilarious, when his administration

• separated up to 1,800 kids from their parents, maybe even more.
• put kids in cages
• turned over kids to human traffickers
• had kids physical abused at his tender age centers.
• deported millions
• set up camps to indefinite hold illegal border crossers
• scoffed at the notion that they would be granted asylum

Just  has hilarious as watching the media trying to blame Trump for all that was accomplished under Barry's watchful eye.

Edited June 21, 2018 by HtownHorn

[HtownHorn 14690]

4 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

Which is purely defensive in nature and not the same thing as the power you ascribed to affirmatively fix a law.   That would require the majority working with the Ds on a bipartisan bill. 

Which the Democrats have already stated they have no desire in doing, but it's about the kids.

[David Dennison 18868]

1 minute ago, HtownHorn said:

Watching the libs cover for Obama in this thread is fucking hilarious, when his administration

• separated up to 1,800 kids from their parents, maybe even more.
• put kids in cages
• turned over kids to human traffickers
• had kids physical abused that his tender age centers.
• deported millions
• set up camps to indefinite hold illegal border crossers
• scoffed at the notion that they would be granted asylum

Just  has hilarious as watching the media trying to blame Trump for all that was accomplished under Barry's watchful eye.

Donald Trump's presidency is failing in real time. We are getting to watch it. Right now.

[ScottishHorn 172]

1 minute ago, lemonlime said:

Exactly.  If Trumpublicans  actually wanted this fixed the compromise would be between the dems and the GOP.  Instead the House "compromise" bill is between two different wings of the house GOP, with no dem involvement at all, and without the votes to pass it even with a majority.

 

They don't want to fix it anyway.  They want to demagogue against MS-13 and those dangerous brown people in ads in the fall.  They have zero desire or ability to actually govern.  

Neither party has any interest in governing.  My life is pretty awesome but I keep hearing its terrible.   

[lemonlime 5503]

BOTH SIDES!!!!!!!!

[HtownHorn 14690]

9 minutes ago, kevwun said:

Do you also scream at your wife when you can't get a boner?

Your wife loves my boner, she told me last night it was 5x the size of yours.

[Mojo Hand 4580]

3 minutes ago, ScottishHorn said:

Why do we need to fix a law?  I thought it was all Trump's fault

Ask HtownHorn.  He's the one who blasted Warren for not fixing the law. 

[ScottishHorn 172]

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

Donald Trump's presidency is failing in real time. We are getting to watch it. Right now.

For the 100th time an epic fail

[ScottishHorn 172]

2 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

BOTH SIDES!!!!!!!!

Reality sucks I know

[HtownHorn 14690]

2 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

Ask HtownHorn.  He's the one who blasted Warren for not fixing the law. 

Yes because that is her job, Trump's job is to enforce the law as signed by Clinton.

[ScottishHorn 172]

10 minutes ago, Patricio Swayze said:

I am guessing htownhorn is another holocaust denier. Sad.

Comparing the holocaust to those being held crossing the border illegally...another psycho...you know, I hear that there are enough jobs out there to get millennials to move out of their parents basements...you should do the same.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

I can see htown at the Cracker Barrel, working the golf tee game, figuring things out.

[retread 2951]

Jitterbug on silent.

Edited June 21, 2018 by retread

[Mojo Hand 4580]

5 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

Yes because that is her job, Trump's job is to enforce the law as signed by Clinton.

So with the new executive order, Trump is refusing to do his job?   That's awful! 

[Patricio Swayze 17058]

Comparing the holocaust to those being held crossing the border illegally...another psycho...you know, I hear that there are enough jobs out there to get millennials to move out of their parents basements...you should do the same.

I made no such comparison.

[HtownHorn 14690]

37 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

So with the new executive order, Trump is refusing to do his job?   That's awful! 

Nah, he's detaining illegal border crossers, that is the law Clinton signed.

[HtownHorn 14690]

34 minutes ago, Patricio Swayze said:

I made no such comparison.

Of course you didn't. Just like you believe Obama never did anything bad.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

With each passing day, we’re learning more about the horrors being faced by children separated from their parents at the border. Children being held in cages. A father who committed suicide after being separated from his son and wife. Shelter workers who are unable to comfort or pick up crying children. Parents who are being deported without their children, without knowing if they’ll ever see them again. Children attempting suicide.

These horrors are the direct result of Trump administration policies. Our federal government is intentionally inflicting trauma on children, something that I never thought I would have to say.

Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced in May that all adults who arrive at the border would be prosecuted for criminal entry, even those seeking asylum who arrive with their children. Because children cannot be held in criminal detention centers, Trump’s zero-tolerance policy means children are taken from their parents when the parents are sent to jail.

This has never before been official U.S. policy. Furthermore, prosecuting individuals seeking asylum likely violates both domestic law and international treaty obligations. In the past, families have been kept together in family shelters or released to sponsors under the Flores Agreement and Trafficking Victims Protection Act until their day in court. Those seeking asylum were allowed to file their claim.

Trump’s abrupt changes to this policy have had immediate effects on families. The rate of children being separated from their parents at the border has increased more than twentyfold. Between October 2016 and February 2018, nearly 1,800 children were separated from their parents, an average of just a few each day. New numbers from the Department of Homeland Security show that under the new Trump policy, 2,342 children were taken from their parents at the border between May 5 and June 9. That’s nearly 70 children ripped away from their loved ones each day.

In the face of public outcry, the president and administration officials have repeatedly made false statements about their policy and sought to obfuscate its effects. They claimed it’s required by law, which is false. They blamed their choice on Democrats, which is false. They said that young children separated from their parents are well taken care of, which audio and video recordings clearly show is false.

There’s no law requiring the separation of families. Trump could end this immoral policy today.

Separating young children from their parents causes extreme trauma. The American Academy of Pediatrics has described the policy as “child abuse” and detailed how trauma can have profound effects on children’s brains and their emotional development. Additionally, Office of Refugee Resettlement shelters built for unaccompanied minors are not equipped with facilities or staff to care for the very young children who have been separated from their parents.

If the president won’t act to end this immoral policy, Congress must.

All 49 Democratic senators support our straightforward bill, the Keep Families Together Act, to bar family separation. The bill prohibits separation except in the cases of trafficking or abuse. It requires a child welfare specialist to be involved in decisions to separate families to ensure the best interests of the child are followed. And it requires the Department of Homeland Security to establish a clear process, in the parents’ native language, to reunite them with their children after separation occurs. Media reports have made clear that there’s no such process in place today.

Many Republicans say they oppose children being taken from their parents, but so far none have joined our bill. This humanitarian crisis necessitates action, not just words. While our bill is a narrow fix, we must also do more to address the root causes that lead many Central Americans to leave their countries and seek asylum.

People are fleeing horrific conditions in Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala, which are among the most violent countries in the world. Trafficking of women and girls is rampant. Law enforcement is unequipped and unwilling to take action to combat sexual assault and domestic violence. Gangs target citizens for extortion, and security services often fail to protect the innocent.

Immigrants seeking to escape these conditions are desperate, and if we don’t help make their countries safer, no policy will prevent them from coming here. Many view the choice to remain in their country or flee as a choice between life and death. We can start by helping Central American countries to stabilize living conditions. At the very least, the State Department should become more active with the governments of El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala to help improve their governance and address internal conflicts that lead so many children and families to flee their homes.

America is better than this. We must not be a country that chooses to traumatize young children.

Edited June 21, 2018 by Hugo Stiglitz

[Patricio Swayze 17058]

Of course you didn't. Just like you believe Obama never did anything bad.

Find where I said that or even remotely implied that. You truly love to prove how fucking dumb you are.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

[Ghost of LL 15531]

5 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

When the history of this era is written, Michael Avenatti is going to have a whole chapter devoted to him.  And that's really fucking strange, because he first came to public attention as a lawyer representing a porn start in a lawsuit that (to my first impression) seemed patently frivolous.

It's just really amazing.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Yep

 

[Foosters 17858]

3 hours ago, ScottishHorn said:

Comparing the holocaust to those being held crossing the border illegally...another psycho...you know, I hear that there are enough jobs out there to get millennials to move out of their parents basements...you should do the same.

Is it your belief that the children are committing a crime?

[HtownHorn 14690]

2 hours ago, Patricio Swayze said:

Find where I said that or even remotely implied that. You truly love to prove how fucking dumb you are.

Find where I said I deny the Holocaust happened. Projection is an ugly personality trait, you seem to have it in spades.

[HtownHorn 14690]

4 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Is it your belief that the children are committing a crime?

No, but their parents are and being held accountable for it. Maybe their parents shouldn't break the law or bring along their kids while doing it.

Edited June 21, 2018 by HtownHorn

[David Dennison 18868]

2 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

No, but their parents are and being held accountable for it. Maybe their parents shouldn't break the law or bring along their kids while doing it.

They can hold families for twenty days. If they haven't been processed by then, they are going to have to let them go.

Because you can't pass a law.

 

Edited June 21, 2018 by David Dennison

[Patricio Swayze 17058]

Find where I said I deny the Holocaust happened. Projection is an ugly personality trait, you seem to have it in spades.

And your reading comprehension is as good as Melania’s.

[Pods 7552]

44 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

They can hold families for twenty days. If they haven't been processed by then, they are going to have to let them go.

Because you can't pass a law.

 

They are going to let them go right into the exact situation they are in now. Trump created a 20 day mourning period for them to say goodbye to each other. 

[David Dennison 18868]

1 minute ago, Pods said:

They are going to let them go right into the exact situation they are in now. Trump created a 20 day mourning period for them to say goodbye to each other. 

I bet the press will love that. More pictures of internment camps!

 

[JohnRedHorn 29]

Can we skip all this shit and get to the next civil war already? I'm tired of working and there's some people I want to kill. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

2 hours ago, HtownHorn said:

No, but their parents are and being held accountable for it. Maybe their parents shouldn't break the law or bring along their kids while doing it.

So punish the kids too? You’re either a sadist or a troll. Which is it? 

[JimmyJames 12271]

HtownHorn is ok with psychologically torturing very young children, including infants because he believe their parents might have commited a misdemeanor crime. He is either (1) an evil sadistic monster, or (2) a paid troll.

Since I like to be optimistic about most of humanity, I’ll go with option 2 until proven otherwise. 

[Pancho 44825]

Torbush

 

[David Dennison 18868]

5 minutes ago, Pancho Negro said:

Torbush

 

This is all part of the plan. They are trying to destroy everything the state does that does not involve protecting the rich.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

I’m trying to contemplate the how enormous a scandal and cover up like this would be for Obama but it’s impossible because that America is already so far in the past.

The lying from everyone in the administration on this is the scariest part.

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

[Gil Bang 25960]

Maddow is taking a steaming dump on HHS Sec. Azar.   Motherfucker was at the Dartmouth reunion this past weekend while kids in his custody were being locked in cages and shipped around the country like freight 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

What the fuck is the government doing with these kids?!

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

BROWNSVILLE, Tex. — Each of the mothers had a different memory of the moment she was separated from her child. 

For some, it was outside a Border Patrol station just north of the Rio Grande, shortly after being apprehended. For others, it was after an interrogation by federal authorities in a bitterly cold air-conditioned office.

Jodi Goodwin, an attorney in Harlingen, Tex., has heard more than two dozen variations of those stories from Central American mothers who have been detained for days or weeks without their children. So far, she has not been able to locate a single one of their offspring.

“It’s just a total labyrinth,” she said.

Even though the Trump administration has halted its policy of separating illegal border crossers from their children, many of the over 2,300 youths removed from migrant parents since May 5 remain in shelters and foster homes across the country. The U.S. government has done little to help with the reunifications, attorneys say, prompting them to launch a frantic, improvised effort to find the children — some of them toddlers.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/the-chaotic-effort-to-reunite-immigrant-parents-with-their-separated-kids/2018/06/21/325cceb2-7563-11e8-bda1-18e53a448a14_story.html

[Brisketexan 105151]

 

Keep. It. Fucking. COMING.

Attack evil. Always. Be relentless.

[HtownHorn 14690]

20 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Keep. It. Fucking. COMING.

Attack evil when it suits my agenda and interests, otherwise I don't give a shit. Always. Be relentless.

FIFY

https://www.aclu.org/news/aclu-obtains-documents-showing-widespread-abuse-child-immigrants-us-custody

Here you go Brisket, maybe you should offer your legal aide on this one. Should be a drop in bucket even for you.

Edited June 22, 2018 by HtownHorn

[Catdaddyhorn 3445]

11 hours ago, Larry T. Spider said:

Obama opens a facility for normal border operations. Trump uses the facility as a staging ground for sepating children as young as 8 months from their parents to send them across the country with no plans for reunification. And the response is “but Obama”? Some of you hypocritical pieces of shit can go die in a fire. 

All the bitching for years about the Obama catch and release policy and now you are going to claim that he was separating kids from their families and detaining them.....which was it?

 

A catch and release policy where 90+% of those released returned for their court appointments, including those who were eventually deported. 

[David Dennison 18868]

1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

What the fuck is the government doing with these kids?!

This is terrible for everyone involved.

But it's really bad for Republicans. Like really, really, really bad.

 

[Larry T. Spider 1746]

1 hour ago, Catdaddyhorn said:

A catch and release policy where 90+% of those released returned for their court appointments, including those who were eventually deported. 

Obama locked kids up! He separated them just like trump! 

Obama let them all go! It was wide open borders!! He encouraged more to come here!

If your party is arguing both of these at the same time, it’s over. You lost and are morally bankrupt. Especially if you are the party that runs on the moral high ground. 

The dems job is to simply never let people forget what happened in 2018. Never let these sanctimonious assholes pretend it’s the liberals that are without morals. Remind every voter at every turn what the Republican Party, the party of trump, stands for. 

 

[ScottishHorn 172]

5 hours ago, JohnRedHorn said:

Can we skip all this shit and get to the next civil war already? I'm tired of working and there's some people I want to kill. 

The purge