Tender Age Shelters

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Reclassifying the children as 'unaccompanied' seems to be one of the most despicable aspects of this sociopathic, sadistic WH.

The administration apparently did a test run of separating children from their parents at the border

From April  https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/20/us/immigrant-children-separation-ice.html

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For months, members of Congress have been demanding answers about how many families are being separated as they are processed at stations along the southwest border, in part because the Trump administration has in the past said it was considering taking children from their parents as a way to deter migrants from coming here.

Officials have repeatedly declined to provide data on how many families have been separated, but suggested that the number was relatively low.

But new data reviewed by The New York Times shows that more than 700 children have been taken from adults claiming to be their parents since October, including more than 100 children under the age of 4.

The data was prepared by the Office of Refugee Resettlement, a division of the Department of Health and Human Services that takes custody of children who have been removed from migrant parents. Senior officials at the Department of Homeland Security, which processes migrants at the border, initially denied that the numbers were so high. But after they were confirmed to The Times by three federal officials who work closely with these cases, a spokesman for the health and human services department on Friday acknowledged in a statement that there were “approximately 700.”

 

 

https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-case-of-the-missing-immigrant-children

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And the landscape has changed. What had been, at best, a gray area is quickly becoming a dark morass. In early May, when Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced the new policy, he said, “If you are smuggling a child, then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law.” His definition of “smuggling” included travelling with a child of one’s own. That accompanied child would be reclassified as unaccompanied. Since then, there have been wrenching scenes of parents being separated from small children, who do not understand what is happening, by border officials who are not necessarily trained to explain it to anyone—even if they had an explanation that made sense.

In 2014, according to a congressional report released that year, the median age of the unaccompanied minors was sixteen. But, even in the months before the Sessions policy formally went into place, there were reports that a hundred children under the age of four had been taken from their parents, in what amounted to a test run of the new policy, and reclassified as “unaccompanied.” A sixteen-year-old can attest that a would-be sponsor is really, say, an uncle or a cousin. A very young child cannot. In an atmosphere of fear, who will the sponsors be? Or will children just be kept locked up, in detention centers distant from those where their parents are held?

 

Edited June 26, 2018 by retread

[lemonlime 5503]

56 minutes ago, Pancho Negro said:

 

Why are their faces blurred?  First, it's dehumanizing.  Second, their parents are probably trying to find them and can't even see if they're in that picture.

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3 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

Can’t wait for him to unload on the Pope on twitter.  

Oh wait, Trump’s too much of a chickenshit to call out the Pope.

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[atomheartbevo 89683]

With Trump’s people saying that there will basically be more families separated going forward, the RNC Chairwoman saying the Republican Party is the Party of Trump, people like Cruz in the border states are going to have a hard call to make. 

Well it should be easy since it’s either acknowledge reality or keep giving blumpkins to Trump as you lose in November. 

But yeah, Trump doubling down on this means this will be the defining issue come November.  

And my guess is we will see a lot more video released Thursday or Friday to really kick off the protests on Saturday. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Cruz will play the compassionate conservative on this issue and not be as hardline as Trump.

He has no choice.

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[Pescado_Rojo 19416]

I figure any day now some virus or stomach bug or something is going to run through one of these places like wildfire and probably kill a couple kids because they aren't prepared medically for a mass illness event. 

[hayden_horn 11362]

i honestly think that this issue is going to haunt republicans for years. 

the party would be wise to try and separate their faces of the franchise away from this policy. but they won't. because they are complicit cowards.

dues like flake say a lot of things, but i'm not seeing many things being done.

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5 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

I figure any day now some virus or stomach bug or something is going to run through one of these places like wildfire and probably kill a couple kids because they aren't prepared medically for a mass illness event. 

Yep

[Brisketexan 105151]

4 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

I figure any day now some virus or stomach bug or something is going to run through one of these places like wildfire and probably kill a couple kids because they aren't prepared medically for a mass illness event. 

Hell, imagine that you're a $9.50 an hour employee of PrisonCo, the contractor of choice for all of your incarceration needs -- and the norovirus hits and now you've got to deal with gallons of spewing runny shit coming out of diapers, and filling up hastily-installed toilets.  You're gonna submit a big ole written "NOPE" and move on to greener pastures, or at least less shit-covered pastures.  I'm sure it will all turn out fine.

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14 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

i honestly think that this issue is going to haunt republicans for years. 

the party would be wise to try and separate their faces of the franchise away from this policy. but they won't. because they are complicit cowards.

dues like flake say a lot of things, but i'm not seeing many things being done.

If the GOP ever had an escape hatch on Trump, this would be a good one.

Standing up for Human Rights and holding Trump accountable could save the party in the long run.

But they don’t give a shit.

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9 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

If the GOP ever had an escape hatch on Trump, this would be a good one.

Standing up for Human Rights and holding Trump accountable could save the party in the long run.

But they don’t give a shit.

This is the Republican Party.

 

[Hank Scorpio 17729]

Tips For Staying Civil While Debating Child Prisons

Avoid unkind generalizations like equating the jailing of ethnic minorities with some malevolent form of fascism.

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Consider that we all have different perspectives stemming from things like age, ethnicity, or level of racism.

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Recall that violently rejecting a tyrannical government goes against everything our forefathers believed in.

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Find common ground by recognizing that some kids are huge assholes.

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Make sure any protests are peaceful, silent, and completely out of sight of anyone who could actually affect government policy.

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Give your political opponents the benefit of the doubt by letting this play out for 20 years and seeing if it gets any better on its own.

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Realize that every pressing social issue is solved through civil discourse if you ignore virtually all of human history.

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Remind yourself that you’re just two people having a cocktail at the same D.C. party and that politics is a game to you.

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Avoid painting with a broad brush. Not everyone in favor of zero-tolerance immigration wants to see children in cages—it’s more likely that they just don’t care.

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This is only going to get worse, since they will most likely be separating more families closer to the election. 

I gotta give Trump credit.  I didn’t know if he could take the GOP down by himself, and I wasn’t sure if he would need some external event to do it, or perhaps the Russian stuff. 

Instead, Trump is taking down the GOP with an intentionally manufactured crisis.  

Soros could not have done any better. 

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[RayDog 682]

A federal court order that children under 5 be reunited with parents within 14 days and within 30 days for the rest.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/26/politics/federal-court-order-family-separations/index.html

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

We are getting embarrassed by Canada now.

 

 

[Jiggy-Z 3432]

16 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

We are getting embarrassed by Canada now.

 

 

Breakfast taco market in Canada is huge and untapped.

[InkaUtexas 25951]

4 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

We are getting embarrassed by Canada now.

 

 

let them. This does not embarrass me. What does is our lack of a unified system in dealing with Central America, immigration and narcotics.

Now lets see how many they really take and how are they going to get there? See that is something Canada can hide from. Immigrants don't have easy access. Are they going to build camps in Mexico for them? 

 I don't remember a land bridge going around the US into Vancouver. 

Edited June 27, 2018 by InkaUtexas

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[SpiralOut 1813]

This is what happens when politicians refuse to deal with a serious issue for decades.  We let people stream over the border, overstay their visas, and get away with tons of shit because certain rich folks and certain industries love having essentially what is a slave labor force they can tap into. 

The American people, especially folks on the border w/ Mexico who are most impacted by this bullshit, are rightly pissed off and want something done about it.  Politicians swear they're going to do something.  They never do.  This builds resentment and primes the population to dehumanize these people and not care about what happens to them. 

Then you get a dude like Trump into office who, with a weasel like Sessions, actually will start doing heinous shit to "fix" the problem.  And it all could have been avoided if the people in power actually had the spine to deal with it anytime in the last 40 fucking years.

Ain't government grand?  I can see why a bunch of you are all for more government.  They do such a bang up job at solving problems like this one.

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Or we could have elected better people.

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11 minutes ago, SpiralOut said:

Then you get a dude like Trump into office who, with a weasel like Sessions, actually will start doing heinous shit to "fix" the problem.  And it all could have been avoided if the people in power actually had the spine to deal with it anytime in the last 40 fucking years.

They are not trying to fix anything.

Trump is either doing what Miller wants because he enjoys Miller's blumpkins, he's trying to impress somebody on Fox News, or he wants to get a bunch of people cheering him on twitter or at a rally, or get a bump in some shitty poll.  The fact that he's confused by the fallout/blowback from things like family separations and doesn't understand why so many Christians became upset with him tells you everything you need to know.  He has not thought about anything beyond the next day or week.

Sessions is doing what he's told like a good little lap dog.  If he truly had his way, he'd "fix" the nation by going after states like Oklahoma, Colorado, California, etc. over the weed stuff.

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5 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

They are not trying to fix anything.

That's why I put fix in quotes.  Sorry if the sarcasm wasn't more clear.

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Part of it is hurting children to get the big beautiful wall. Part of it seems to be a sadist pleasure that DOTUS/Miller/Session get from separating families and terrrorizing children.

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It’s all about exercising political muscle and fortifying the base.

If they can get away with this without anyone being held accountable, they can get away with worse shit.  I know you’re thinking what could be worse than separating and caging toddlers?

We will find out, sadly. 

[F250 28777]

These ICE fuckers seem to be operating with impunity.

 

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14 minutes ago, F250 said:

These ICE fuckers seem to be operating with impunity.

 

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Hot take idiot.

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17 minutes ago, ousuxndallas said:

Bottom line: don't break the fucking law and your children won't be separated from you.

~*~ very anastasishly ~*~

"Guys there is no threat of authoritarian, nationalist fascism. It doesn't exist. We are all slightly varying flavors of centrist who would all agree if we could sit down with a beer."

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A nation without borders is not a nation.

inshallah

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1 hour ago, bad_teammate said:

Quite Fucking True.

[F250 28777]

I really hope the media doesn't let this issue fall between the cracks and go SCOTUS coverage 24/7.

 

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[achooloco 1072]

11 hours ago, ousuxndallas said:

Bottom line: 
I know that's hard to understand, given the minuscule IQ of these peasant immigrants

So blatant racism/bigotry is cool on this board now? Good to know

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10 minutes ago, achooloco said:

So blatant racism/bigotry is cool on this board now? Good to know

Welcome to the Shag/Surly.

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Looks like the children fleeing horrible conditions in their home countries didn't take advantage of their 15 minutes in the news cycle. They're in danger of being forgotten.

If only there were an electronic device that immigrants could wear on their ankles to ensure that they'd appear in court....

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Courts have required families be reunited within the next 30 days.  It will be up to the free press to see that it gets done (which is sad).

This story isn’t going away but it’s not center stage for the moment.

Edited June 28, 2018 by Hugo Stiglitz

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Could it be that those angered by this are event vs. policy focused? You need a core to give a fuck vs. hop from one event to the next. Keep the information flowing, etc. But tomorrow the media can choose the next event and everyone jumps over to it. Being outraged just to be outraged is not the way forward. 

[lemonlime 5503]

1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Courts have required families be reunited within the next 30 days.  It will be up to the free press to see that it gets done (which is sad).

This story isn’t going away but it’s not center stage for the moment.

Yes, but we need to stop freaking out about the Trump event of the moment.  This should not be off the front page until the families are reunited.  Puerto Rico should never have left the front page.  We have a 24 hour news cycle in which it feels like we can only discuss the outrage of the day, hell, it'll be outrage of the hour soon.  

The Kennedy retirement/replacement saga will go on for weeks, if not months.  There is no reason cable news, newspapers, the shag/surl, etc. should be focusing on that to the exclusion of everything else in the world.  We need to all stop reacting to the Trump drama and focus on the actual, real harm that is being done to people.

[Pancho 44825]

Y’all we still have baby jails in the United States of America in the year 2018

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and b/c the WH policy was to reclassify them as unaccompanied, many of them may have no paper trail to reconnect them with their parents. MAGA.

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2 hours ago, retread said:

Looks like the children fleeing horrible conditions in their home countries didn't take advantage of their 15 minutes in the news cycle. They're in danger of being forgotten.

If only there were an electronic device that immigrants could wear on their ankles to ensure that they'd appear in court....

 

Electronic devices don’t punish little brown children though.  Unless it’s a tazer.