2023 Texas High School Football

[Lonestar88 4700]

10 hours ago, perfectchaos007 said:

DFW v. Houston in both 6A finals. To be expected, I guess

Even more specifically, it’s district 11-6A vs 21-6A.
 

1 hour ago, Vic Mackey said:

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And Duncanville’s only loss is to DeSoto and South Oak Cliff’s two losses are to Duncanville and DeSoto. They’ve only lost to each other.

[msucolt45 4063]

Question about something I’ve never noticed before. When 2nd or 4th quarters start does the clock begin on a whistle or first snap of the quarter?

Game clock begins on the snap. Play clock starts of the Ready for play (white hat).

Hook’em!!!

[Dennis Taylor 18849]

14 hours ago, Fudbelty said:

Question about something I’ve never noticed before. When 2nd or 4th quarters start does the clock begin on a whistle or first snap of the quarter?

On the snap

[tx 3 putt 77274]

When’s the contract up with bailey ??

texas hs coaches association is leaving money on the table with that deal but im sure the right people got huge kickbacks

Edited December 10, 2023 by tx 3 putt

[HornsOverIthaca 2335]

32 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

When’s the contract up with bailey ??

I’m assuming you mean Bally Sports (unless the North Shore QB is on a contract???) then I think it’ll be gone next year as Ballys Sports is likely to cease operation in the spring.  TexanLive/NFHS/DCTF broadcasting the state games may be kinda weak.

[chainsaw 9873]

17 minutes ago, HornsOverIthaca said:

I’m assuming you mean Bally Sports (unless the North Shore QB is on a contract???) then I think it’ll be gone next year as Ballys Sports is likely to cease operation in the spring.  TexanLive/NFHS/DCTF broadcasting the state games may be kinda weak.

The Brownsville guy should get the contract

[tx 3 putt 77274]

All these games should be on espn2

[billfromlaketravis 11520]

36 minutes ago, HornsOverIthaca said:

I’m assuming you mean Bally Sports (unless the North Shore QB is on a contract???) then I think it’ll be gone next year as Ballys Sports is likely to cease operation in the spring.  TexanLive/NFHS/DCTF broadcasting the state games may be kinda weak.

Space City Sports should grab every playoff game in NRG. I believe they carried a Thursday night game throughout the season.

I doubt we see we see a statewide cable or cable adjacent option. TexanLive seems to have the broadcast rights sewn up.

I’ll enjoy the state championships on Balley’s this year because this could be it.  

[Fudbelty 2789]

Game clock begins on the snap. Play clock starts of the Ready for play (white hat).

Hook’em!!!

That’s exactly what I thought but never really paid attention before. Friday night the game clock definitely started on the whistle to start the play clock.

[tx 3 putt 77274]

31 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

All these games should be on espn2

all the regional finals, state semifinal games too

[HornsOverIthaca 2335]

2 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

all the regional finals, state semifinal games too

I just don’t think there are enough viewers for advertisers to pay for the production costs of even a Bally Sports level broadcast.  You gotta have fat stacks.  Especially when you can’t advertise alcohol, guns, blackjack and hookers.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, tx 3 putt said:

all the regional finals, state semifinal games too

40 games in the Regional rounds...on TV.  Next you're gonna advocate for mega stadiums and a roof on every game, right?

Leave em be.  Go to the games you want to see. Don't college up our high school football.

Edited December 10, 2023 by slorch

[billfromlaketravis 11520]

TexanLive is $11.99 a month. It might be worth it for the month of December. If Texas hadn’t been busy with winning the Big 12 I would have pulled the trigger to watch the LT-Westlake game.

That said, I think it’s reasonable to expect the state title games on a widely accessible platform. And don’t give me this go to the games bullshit. If they really were serious about attendance they would rotate the state title games at Jerryworld and NRG. 

[Nueces River Rat 5539]

16 hours ago, billfromlaketravis said:

Space City Sports should grab every playoff game in NRG. I believe they carried a Thursday night game throughout the season.

I doubt we see we see a statewide cable or cable adjacent option. TexanLive seems to have the broadcast rights sewn up.

I’ll enjoy the state championships on Balley’s this year because this could be it.  

I think the Bally/FoxSports SW contract is the glue that held the championships being held at a central location for the last 10 years or so with the every year of that being at Jerryworld minus one when they held them at NRG.    I wonder if Bally’s future puts this at risk?   
 

I wouldn’t mind if this ends and the UIL is  then forced to consider other venues.   Or we go back to where the coaches pick the site for each game. It’s  BS the DFW area schools year in and year out get home field advantage and they are almost assured to have at least one rep in virtually every class because three of the regions  can line up close to the area.  Let Aledo, De Soto and Duncanville travel down to San Antonio and spend their taxpayers money instead of always allowing them the luxury of staying home .

[Ravishing Rick 1134]

3 minutes ago, Nueces River Rat said:

I think the Bally/FoxSports SW contract is the glue that held the championships being held at a central location for the last 10 years or so with the every year of that being at Jerryworld minus one when they held them at NRG.    I wonder if Bally’s future puts this at risk?   
 

I wouldn’t mind if this ends and the UIL is  then forced to consider other venues.   Or we go back to where the coaches pick the site for each game. It’s  BS the DFW area schools year in and year out get home field advantage and they are almost assured to have at least one rep in virtually every class because three of the regions  can line up close to the area.  Let Aledo, De Soto and Duncanville travel down to San Antonio and spend their taxpayers money instead of always allowing them the luxury of staying home .

Fully agree. I’ve been saying this for years. And I live in DFW.  Arlington is hardly centrally located in Texas. Rotate it across DFW, Houston, and maybe San Antonio.  All have domes. For some reason this triggers some people on this forum but I’m not sure how anybody can objectively argue for having it in one place every year that’s not centrally located. Not fair to the kids or their families and supporters.  

[Rholl 218]

lets make it really fair and throw in every 4th yr it goes to El Paso

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Rholl said:

lets make it really fair and throw in every 4th yr it goes to El Paso

No team would ever have HFA, for sure.

[Vic Mackey 47102]

Fully agree. I’ve been saying this for years. And I live in DFW.  Arlington is hardly centrally located in Texas. Rotate it across DFW, Houston, and maybe San Antonio.  All have domes. For some reason this triggers some people on this forum but I’m not sure how anybody can objectively argue for having it in one place every year that’s not centrally located. Not fair to the kids or their families and supporters.  

Didn't they move it to Houston years back and the attendance numbers were way down?

[Kyrie Eleison 9312]

they could move it to Anchorage, Alaska, and 40,000 PNG fans would make the trek.

fuck the bitching...communities, fans and families need to step up their game.

[Lonestar88 4700]

42 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

3 hours ago, Ravishing Rick said:

Fully agree. I’ve been saying this for years. And I live in DFW.  Arlington is hardly centrally located in Texas. Rotate it across DFW, Houston, and maybe San Antonio.  All have domes. For some reason this triggers some people on this forum but I’m not sure how anybody can objectively argue for having it in one place every year that’s not centrally located. Not fair to the kids or their families and supporters.  

Didn't they move it to Houston years back and the attendance numbers were way down?

Yep. Houston attendance sucked, and also, NRG stadium charges way more to host the games than Jerryworld does. Everyone makes it out to be some grand conspiracy, but it’s no secret that the schools and the UIL make way more money hosting the games in Arlington. That’s why they’re there.
 

[Vic Mackey 47102]

5 minutes ago, Lonestar88 said:

Yep. Houston attendance sucked, and also, NRG stadium charges way more to host the games than Jerryworld does. Everyone makes it out to be some grand conspiracy, but it’s no secret that the schools and the UIL make way more money hosting the games in Arlington. That’s why they’re there.
 

Agreed. I know the original setup was going to be what he talked about, rotating through Arlington, Houston, SA. But they tried and it failed. Also, aren't more teams who routinely make state closer to the DFW area than Houston? I thought I read this. I don't ever see it leaving Jerry World at this point.

[chainsaw 9873]

Buc Stadium in Corpus Christi.

Historic, big, there's a beach.

 

[utfan87 408]

Remember this is about the kids not the fans. 

[Vic Mackey 47102]

4 hours ago, Nueces River Rat said:

I think the Bally/FoxSports SW contract is the glue that held the championships being held at a central location for the last 10 years or so with the every year of that being at Jerryworld minus one when they held them at NRG.    I wonder if Bally’s future puts this at risk?   
 

I wouldn’t mind if this ends and the UIL is  then forced to consider other venues.   Or we go back to where the coaches pick the site for each game. It’s  BS the DFW area schools year in and year out get home field advantage and they are almost assured to have at least one rep in virtually every class because three of the regions  can line up close to the area.  Let Aledo, De Soto and Duncanville travel down to San Antonio and spend their taxpayers money instead of always allowing them the luxury of staying home .

Difference in Fox Sports SW and Bally, is one was easy accessible. Fox Sports SW was apart of pretty much every streaming/cable/satellite package. It was awesome. Bally comes along and it's now only apart of what, DirecTV Stream and maybe Spectrum? Not apart of YoutubeTV and others. So on top of all the other stream/cable/satellite people subscribe to, they are now told they need to subscribe to Bally to be able to watch what was used to be included. I never saw any people complain about Fox Sports SW because it allowed everyone to view it with ease. 

[chainsaw 9873]

Just now, utfan87 said:

Remember this is about the kids not the fans. 

Gonna need a bigger orange slice table

[tx 3 putt 77274]

4 hours ago, Nueces River Rat said:

I think the Bally/FoxSports SW contract is the glue that held the championships being held at a central location for the last 10 years or so with the every year of that being at Jerryworld minus one when they held them at NRG.    I wonder if Bally’s future puts this at risk?   
 

I wouldn’t mind if this ends and the UIL is  then forced to consider other venues.   Or we go back to where the coaches pick the site for each game. It’s  BS the DFW area schools year in and year out get home field advantage and they are almost assured to have at least one rep in virtually every class because three of the regions  can line up close to the area.  Let Aledo, De Soto and Duncanville travel down to San Antonio and spend their taxpayers money instead of always allowing them the luxury of staying home .

 

i think the texas coaches association runs the football championship week / events. They have a huge say in it vs other sports with the uil
 

all the uil championships should be rotated around the state 

[chainsaw 9873]

1 minute ago, Vic Mackey said:

Difference in Fox Sports SW and Bally, is one was easy accessible. Fox Sports SW was apart of pretty much every streaming/cable/satellite package. It was awesome. Bally comes along and it's now only apart of what, DirecTV Stream and maybe Spectrum? Not apart of YoutubeTV and others. So on top of all the other stream/cable/satellite people subscribe to, they are now told they need to subscribe to Bally to be able to watch what was used to be included. I never saw any people complain about Fox Sports SW because it allowed everyone to view it with ease. 

I never liked Bally. Are you a casino? A treadmill manufacturer? An arcade company? Pick a lane and fuck off.

[Bevo&Pevo 5215]

Arrest for Edna cheerleader.

$2M bond for capital murder suspect accused of killing Edna cheerleader (click2houston.com)

[HornsOverIthaca 2335]

54 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

I never liked Bally. Are you a casino? A treadmill manufacturer? An arcade company? Pick a lane and fuck off.

Oh yeah, Bally Total Fitness.  There were also some great Bally Pinball Tables.

I think that Diamond Sport Media just sold the naming rights 

[Hornlover 8830]

1 hour ago, Vic Mackey said:

Difference in Fox Sports SW and Bally, is one was easy accessible. Fox Sports SW was apart of pretty much every streaming/cable/satellite package. It was awesome. Bally comes along and it's now only apart of what, DirecTV Stream and maybe Spectrum? Not apart of YoutubeTV and others. So on top of all the other stream/cable/satellite people subscribe to, they are now told they need to subscribe to Bally to be able to watch what was used to be included. I never saw any people complain about Fox Sports SW because it allowed everyone to view it with ease. 

*a part

[chainsaw 9873]

17 minutes ago, Hornlover said:

*a part

Wow you learn something new everyday

[Dennis Taylor 18849]

3 hours ago, chainsaw said:

Wow you learn something new everyday

Yeah that one was covered in 4th grade I believe 

[Nueces River Rat 5539]

Buc Stadium in Corpus Christi.
Historic, big, there's a beach.
 

A lot of cholos too.

[Beau Vine 54340]

11 hours ago, Lonestar88 said:

Yep. Houston attendance sucked, and also, NRG stadium charges way more to host the games than Jerryworld does. Everyone makes it out to be some grand conspiracy, but it’s no secret that the schools and the UIL make way more money hosting the games in Arlington. That’s why they’re there.
 

The THSCA also overwhelmingly wants it at Jerryworld every year.

The only people who disagree post on here, and never go to the games anyways.

[Beau Vine 54340]

 

 

[Beau Vine 54340]

 

[WBT 20649]

I must have dreamed those 3 NS state wins over Duncanville

[Beau Vine 54340]

 

 

Just now, WBT said:

I must have dreamed those 3 NS state wins over Duncanville

Lulz, never even made the title game!

[Beau Vine 54340]

 

[Beau Vine 54340]

 

[Huckleberry 33057]

11 minutes ago, WBT said:

I must have dreamed those 3 NS state wins over Duncanville

 

10 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

Lulz, never even made the title game!

They copied Humble Summer Creek but only updated the miles to the stadium. Look at first season and the stats. 

Edited December 12, 2023 by Huckleberry

[sidis 9832]

huh, i guess since north shore just forfeited a bunch of championships and state title appearances, the chaps get to claim a few more bama style?

[UpperWestside 6184]

On 12/10/2023 at 10:40 AM, Vic Mackey said:

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I believe you know this, but if you ever want to get someone in “Sunny South Dallas” angry refer to Oak Cliff and the southern suburbs as South Dallas. That neighborhood is really protective of their identity based on that name.

Aside from that I mean that trio right there is ridiculously impressive. One of my friends that coaches told me he had a chance to go back to his alma mater of SOC to coach football, but he chose to not go home because he was given a different coaching job he wanted on the hardwood (That was then rescinded because the school he was at would not approve of him leaving). I told him to perhaps reconsider this spring a return to The Mecca. He told me he did not attend either of the state title games, but he is thinking of going to this one. Once he left SOC  after graduation in 1990 he only contemplated one return and it was for basketball when James Mays wanted to add him to the staff.

[UpperWestside 6184]

4 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

 

Nothing against Albany, but I will root for the hometown of the great young actor Jesse Plemons in this one. Also I always liked it when Mart’s head coach was Rusty Nail. What a name.

[Vic Mackey 47102]

2 hours ago, UpperWestside said:

I believe you know this, but if you ever want to get someone in “Sunny South Dallas” angry refer to Oak Cliff and the southern suburbs as South Dallas. That neighborhood is really protective of their identity based on that name.

Aside from that I mean that trio right there is ridiculously impressive. One of my friends that coaches told me he had a chance to go back to his alma mater of SOC to coach football, but he chose to not go home because he was given a different coaching job he wanted on the hardwood (That was then rescinded because the school he was at would not approve of him leaving). I told him to perhaps reconsider this spring a return to The Mecca. He told me he did not attend either of the state title games, but he is thinking of going to this one. Once he left SOC  after graduation in 1990 he only contemplated one return and it was for basketball when James Mays wanted to add him to the staff.

Yep for sure. This should probably say 'Southern Dallas' or 'Southern Dallas County'. South Dallas for me refers to the MLK/Malcom X/Hatcher area. Where Madison and Lincoln are. True South Dallas is a pretty small area.

And even inside Oak Cliff and even Pleasant Grove, the borders are always argued upon as to what exactly they are. Each was its own city with well defined borders back in the day (I think). And since then, they have since expanded to where almost all of Southeast Dallas is considered PG and Southwest Dallas is just Oak Cliff. But of all of that is the southern part of Dallas. 

[MontereyMX 869]

1 minute ago, Vic Mackey said:

Yep for sure. This should probably say 'Southern Dallas' or 'Southern Dallas County'. South Dallas for me refers to the MLK/Malcom X/Hatcher area. Where Madison and Lincoln are. True South Dallas is a pretty small area.

And even inside Oak Cliff and even Pleasant Grove, the borders are always argued upon as to what exactly they are. Each was its own city with well defined borders back in the day (I think). And since then, they have since expanded to where almost all of Southeast Dallas is considered PG and Southwest Dallas is just Oak Cliff. But of all of that is the southern part of Dallas. 

you should reach out to the "old grey wolf" for clarification on this 

[Vic Mackey 47102]

1 minute ago, MontereyMXmuthafucka said:

you should reach out to the "old grey wolf" for clarification on this 

Haha! Yep. He is old school Oak Cliff when it was totally different than it is now. His borders as to what he considers Oak Cliff will be much smaller than what it has grown into now.

[UpperWestside 6184]

9 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

Yep for sure. This should probably say 'Southern Dallas' or 'Southern Dallas County'. South Dallas for me refers to the MLK/Malcom X/Hatcher area. Where Madison and Lincoln are. True South Dallas is a pretty small area.

And even inside Oak Cliff and even Pleasant Grove, the borders are always argued upon as to what exactly they are. Each was its own city with well defined borders back in the day (I think). And since then, they have since expanded to where almost all of Southeast Dallas is considered PG and Southwest Dallas is just Oak Cliff. But of all of that is the southern part of Dallas. 

Fun stories from the years I spent going over to TGJM and seeing so many Lincoln-Madison games in basketball and football. My first Madison-Lincoln sporting event was in 2000 when Madison beat a Lincoln team that had Bosh on it. Some teammates from the football team at school graduated from there so we went up to see the game at LOOS in North Dallas. He almost gave up a windmill dunk 5 seconds after the opening tip, but he intentionally fouled a guy 5 inches shorter so it would not happen. 
 

Back when I still used to drink I would spend the summers right down the street (believe the house was on Pennsylvania or the next street over) from Madison at a house where the entire Flentroy family drank and ate BBQ every single weekend. If you remember 2009-10 it was the Flentroy boys in basketball that got them a basketball title and runner up the next year. That family basically adopted me and started calling me a Flentroy…I could not drink as much as them so maybe not quite a full family member…😂

[UpperWestside 6184]

17 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

Haha! Yep. He is old school Oak Cliff when it was totally different than it is now. His borders as to what he considers Oak Cliff will be much smaller than what it has grown into now.

I think my friend’s dad graduated from Carter a year after Rhyner left Kimball. Totally different world. It would be cool if my friend’s dad were still. Alive so I could hear stories about Carter back then.

[Vic Mackey 47102]

3 hours ago, UpperWestside said:

Fun stories from the years I spent going over to TGJM and seeing so many Lincoln-Madison games in basketball and football. My first Madison-Lincoln sporting event was in 2000 when Madison beat a Lincoln team that had Bosh on it. Some teammates from the football team at school graduated from there so we went up to see the game at LOOS in North Dallas. He almost gave up a windmill dunk 5 seconds after the opening tip, but he intentionally fouled a guy 5 inches shorter so it would not happen. 
 

Back when I still used to drink I would spend the summers right down the street (believe the house was on Pennsylvania or the next street over) from Madison at a house where the entire Flentroy family drank and ate BBQ every single weekend. If you remember 2009-10 it was the Flentroy boys in basketball that got them a basketball title and runner up the next year. That family basically adopted me and started calling me a Flentroy…I could not drink as much as them so maybe not quite a full family member…😂

Yep I remember the Flentroy brothers. I was about 6 years out of high school by then but still kept up with it.

https://www.dallasnews.com/high-school-sports/basketball/2010/01/12/hs-gametime-s-boys-basketball-player-of-the-week-desmond-flentroy/

I always heard stories about how intense Madison/Lincoln basketball games were. On the court and in the stands and outside the venue.

When I was at Forney when they were the original 3A, Madison and Pinkston were both in our district. Neither had very many every show up when they came to Forney. Although Pinkston is a West Dallas school.