Super Bowl LVII: Chiefs vs. Eagles

[Magus Ossis 2828]

We’d scream it because we know holding isn’t pi. Defensive holding isn’t judged on catchability

['stache 21828]

13 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Dez didn't catch it either! 

FOAD, EABOD, and DIAF. 

[BurntOrange&White 39957]

5 minutes ago, Magus Ossis said:

If Texas is throwing for a TD on third down, and if we see that jersey sticking out toward a db hand, and if the call is not made, every person here screams at the tv “holding!— why didnt they call it?!? You could see his $(@& jersey being tugged!!!”

If Texas is playing defense and we see that we all say it's not holding.

[Magus Ossis 2828]

9 minutes ago, speed817 said:

You still haven't figured out the difference between PI and holding lol

Or affect and effect 😀

[lilMAC25 3803]

16 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

no affect on the totality of the play. 

It’s clearly holding and he held the WR multiple times on the same play.

 

 

Then, the DB admitted to holding the WR.

Edited February 13, 2023 by lilMAC25

[BurntOrange&White 39957]

1 minute ago, lilMAC25 said:

It’s clearly holding and he held the WR multiple times on the same play

It's not

[Quagmire 2147]

If Texas is throwing for a TD on third down, and if we see that jersey sticking out toward a db hand, and if the call is not made, every person here screams at the tv “holding!— why didnt they call it?!? You could see his $(@& jersey being tugged!!!”

But nah man it’s just cowboys fans being unrealistic or chiefs fans or tech fans

[Horn Draoi 256]

Just fuck Philadelphia and especially the Eagles. That is all.

[Texzilla58 4742]

It's not about the points given up.
 
The down and distance was 3rd and 8 and would have been 4th down and a field goal attempt that would have left about 1:20 or so on the clock. It was ticky tacky call at best that directly affected the outcome of the game more so than it should. Until that call it had been well called game IMO. The receivers route wasn't impeded and the ball was no where close to catchable. Mahomes was literally throwing it away at that point.

He threw it away because his receiver wasn’t on the route because he was fucking held.

Maybe play some special teams. Eagles giving up a near TD on the previous punt was the back breaker. Or maybe getting a sack. Everyone thought the Eagles DL would eat the Chiefs lunch and pressure Mahomes. Not one fucking sack the whole game. Don’t fumble. I think they saw Mahomes hurt before the half and thought they had the game.

Fuck those Eggles. Fuck Philly and their shitty sandwich. Shitty broken ass city. Shitty fans.

[BurntOrange&White 39957]

2 minutes ago, Texzilla58 said:

He threw it away because his receiver wasn’t on the route because he was fucking held.

Maybe play some special teams. Eagles giving up a near TD on the previous punt was the back breaker. Or maybe getting a sack. Everyone thought the Eagles DL would eat the Chiefs lunch and pressure Mahomes. Not one fucking sack the whole game. Don’t fumble. I think they saw Mahomes hurt before the half and thought they had the game.

Fuck those Eggles. Fuck Philly and their shitty sandwich. Shitty broken ass city. Shitty fans.

holy shit a mad cowboys fan.

[PTINS 3476]

14 minutes ago, Horn Draoi said:

Just fuck Philadelphia and especially the Eagles. That is all.

[Nivek 16961]

I mean, it effectively ended the game so to say it didn’t turn on that is a little disingenuous. Would the Eagles have gone down and scored? Who knows? But the game was over when the flag was thrown.

It was a hold. It sucks to see the game end like that from an entertainment perspective and I do feel like they were letting a lot of stuff like that go over the course of the game, so to see it thrown all of a sudden is odd. But it was a hold, Philly didn’t get screwed.

Pretty sure the play clock went to 0 about 2 times and not called on the Eagles. Another time, they called a TO.

I thought the bobble catch wasn’t a catch. But it was close and open to interpretation. So no big deal there.

Officiating was fine.

[Magus Ossis 2828]

To summarize Bow:

1. Yes, I know the defender held an eligible receiver running a route in the secondary

2. Yes I know it turned out to be the intended target of the pass.

3. Yes I see the still frame of the jersey sticking out proving the hold. I get that this is a way refs are trained to identify holding.

4. Yes I know the refs saw the foul and flagged it.

5. Yes I know the defender admitted unequivocally he was holding.

6. Yes I know the defender knows holding is a penalty but did it anyway to try to impede the rout, hoping to get away with it and influence the game.

7. Yes I know an improvised play when timing is off is more susceptible to error.

8. Yes I know defensive holding is holding before the pass and thus is not penalized based on its EFFECT, even when the player held is never considered for a target.

9. Yes I know it rewards and encourages rule-breaking and conspiracy theories to ignore penalties.

10. I have judged the style of this hold unworthy of a flag, based on my vast expertise of skiing technique. I also think Jimbo would never have put his team in such a vulnerable position. That’s why he’s got a natty. 

[Texzilla58 4742]

I want refs in the NFL and honestly in all sports to be instructed to call the egregious and otherwise stay the fuck out of the game. If they only have to look for legitimate no question fouls then their performance will get a lot better. That will also greatly reduce the talk about leagues rigging games through the refs. It's a win for everybody.  

So we have a league that can’t simply define what a catch is. Now you want referees in a nanosecond try to remember the definition by rule of what “egregious” is. You’re just taking a pile of shit and making it an elephant pile of shit.

Here’s what needs to happen to fix it, as Belichik proposes every year to the rules committee. Make every call challengeable. If Siriani didn’t like the hold then throw a red flag.

[Vertigo 20303]

1 hour ago, Uncle Nate said:

I'm both.  Granted, Tech legend EJ Holub started me down the road of having the Chiefs as my AFC team, and Mahomes helped reinforce it.

EJ was a nice guy, I knew him when I lived in Midland a long time ago. He was huge. 

[Had Enough 2083]

If he’s open a little earlier maybe mahomes can throw it while he still has a comfortable pocket and the pass is completed. The tug for sure impeded momentum for the chiefs player and gave it to the eagles player to recover.  Unless one believes the player tugged just  hard enough to pull jersey but not slow the player wearing it. But only true idiot would argue that. 

This is a significant but undervalued point in reference to allowing the Eagles player to recover. Bradberry knows he’s beat and will run past JuJu without the initial grab. That same grab is not insignificant when JuJu is changing directions like it would have been had he been full speed. Then he grabbed him again. So he grabbed him twice, slowed JuJus momentum but also helped Bradberry change direction. In totality that’s significant. Juju was probably two steps away from the pass. It wasn’t PI, but he was close enough to the ball to make the hold impactful.

That refs angle has clear view of the jersey pull. Then he puts his hand on the hip from the backside a second time. The ref did his job.

[Texzilla58 4742]

holy shit a mad cowboys fan.

The call has nothing to do with being a Cowboys fan. If that call had gone against the cowboys I wouldn’t blame the refs but Jerry having stupid ass players that thought they could get by.

[Surly Bevo 25115]

I wonder how some of you would feel if 2 had gotten his right hand on X's hip running a very similar concept

 

 

[BurntOrange&White 39957]

3 minutes ago, Texzilla58 said:

The call has nothing to do with being a Cowboys fan. If that call had gone against the cowboys I wouldn’t blame the refs but Jerry having stupid ass players that thought they could get by.

You'd cry your fucking heart out just as you have every year about Dez's drop. 

Edited February 13, 2023 by BurntOrange&White

[WinningIsHard 4063]

the DB who got flagged admitted he held, BO&W...nu uh he's just saying that because jerry jones told him to. It wasn't a real hold. L O L 

[ConferenceRoom 6145]

2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

You'd cry your fucking heart out just as you have every year about Dez's drop. 

You are very upset. 

[BurntOrange&White 39957]

cope harder cowboys fans

[Pam Cummings 9653]

😢 why did Cowboys fans make him grab and pull Juju's jersey

[speed817 19415]

1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

cope harder cowboys fans

Seems like you're the one having a hard time with coping being wrong.....

[Uncle Nate 2097]

32 minutes ago, Vertigo said:

EJ was a nice guy, I knew him when I lived in Midland a long time ago. He was huge. 

Yeah he was.  I shook his hand once at a basketball game...this is kind of what it looked like:

 

[Uncle Nate 2097]

1 hour ago, Texzilla58 said:

He threw it away because his receiver wasn’t on the route because he was fucking held.
 

 

This.  It's why this is a rule to begin with.

[Underdog 28765]

45 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

You'd cry your fucking heart out just as you have every year about Dez's drop  catch. 

Fixed. 

[Zeus 6114]

[Zeus 6114]

2 hours ago, Horn80 said:

All the way with a red hot poker Eagles.

 

[Uncle Nate 2097]

12 hours ago, BigDHornfan said:

POS supporting a POS team.  Karma motherfuckers.

Ok, I really had hoped someone would have posted something after this giving me a clue as to who they are.  

So I have to ask...

[BigDHornfan 6549]

Just now, Uncle Nate said:

Ok, I really had hoped someone would have posted something after this giving me a clue as to who they are.  

So I have to ask...

It's Britney Griner.

[Uncle Nate 2097]

Just now, BigDHornfan said:

It's Britney Griner.

Ah, ok.  Didn't recognize her with the smile.

Baylor & Philly...wouldn't surprise me if she were also a Yankees fan to give me the hate-trifecta.

[Surly Bevo 25115]

 

[Zeus 6114]

24 minutes ago, Uncle Nate said:

Ok, I really had hoped someone would have posted something after this giving me a clue as to who they are.  

So I have to ask...

Some druggy

[BluTechsan 393]

2 hours ago, B00M said:

Was that the toss run play that gained about 1 yard? 

Nope.

Pass play that Chiefs flushed Hurts out of pocket - he had to throw off balance and was off target and incomplete

[TreatyOak 16402]

Best thing about the Super Bowl was that as usual, you Cowboy fans could only look on in incomprehensible futility. 

Maybe next year the same bad coach, bad players and bad GM will put it all together and you'll win! 

[Augustus 3061]

1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

cope harder cowboys fans

 

Not sure if you've noticed, but Cowboys fans enjoyed the hell out of this game and its outcome.  The same way all fans do when they see teams they hate lose.

I'm lost as to what you think they need to "cope" with in this instance.

Just now, TreatyOak said:

Best thing about the Super Bowl was that as usual, you Cowboy fans could only look on in incomprehensible futility. 

Maybe next year the same bad coach, bad players and bad GM will put it all together and you'll win! 

 

Who's your favorite team?

[Francisco 2.0 32406]

Still wrapping my head around the fact the Chiefs only ran 53 plays...and had 21 first downs.

 

 

[TreatyOak 16402]

11 minutes ago, Augustus said:

Who's your favorite team?

My fave team is any team w players with our high school (Austin Westlake) on it. 

I generally loathe pro football, especially the fans. I do particularly enjoy Dallas Cowboy and Aggy futility, as well as Jerry Jones saying stupid things.* My fave thing in sports is a Jimbo Fisher press conference after a loss.  

*Last week Jerry Jones threw shade on the Rams and Eagles for mortgaging their future. Keep it up, Jerry! Your team is so close!  

Edited February 13, 2023 by TreatyOak

[Pato del Muerto 52555]

1 minute ago, TreatyOak said:

My fave team is any team w players with our high school (Austin Westlake) on it. 

I generally loathe pro football, especially the fans. I do particularly enjoy Dallas Cowboy and Aggy futility, as well as Jerry Jones saying stupid things.* My fave thing in sports is a Jimbo Fisher press conference after a loss.  

*Last week Jerry Jones threw shade on the Rams and Eagles for mortgaging their future. Keep it up, Jerry! Your team is so close!  

So you have the same opinion on the cowboys as most fans of the team. 

[Texzilla58 4742]

You'd cry your fucking heart out just as you have every year about Dez's drop. 

I don’t whine about fez’s drop. I whine about Murray’s failures in that game.

[Texzilla58 4742]

It's Britney Griner.

That’s all you had to say! Too bad she’s not enjoying her gruel and sawdust bread in the gulag for SB Sunday.

[4th&Five 41575]

The field condition should be a much bigger story than the holding call.  It impacted the game on basically every play.

[Zeus 6114]

6 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

The field condition should be a much bigger story than the holding call.  It impacted the game on basically every play.

Both teams played on the same field and honestly wouldn't better footing help the fast flashy passing team not the running team? 

[Surly Bevo 25115]

Both teams played on the same field and honestly wouldn't better footing help the fast flashy passing team not the running team? 

I think better footing helps the 280 lb guy get better traction when he is trying to get around the 320 lb guy to get to the flashy passer who knows where he is going to the receiver who also knows where he is going.

[MNLonghornFUKM 8817]

KC backup QB Chad Henne retired after the game.  
Yes, THAT Chad Henne

Yea ok. He and chase Daniel will be back ups until at least 48.

[Augustus 3061]

33 minutes ago, Zeus said:

Both teams played on the same field and honestly wouldn't better footing help the fast flashy passing team not the running team? 

 

It's always true that both teams play on the same field, but it doesn't mean the fucked up field impacted the game exactly the same for both teams.  (Keep in mind, I'm glad KC won).

It's inexcusable for the Super Bowl to have a shitty field.  It's just beyond inexcusable. 

[Uncle Nate 2097]

12 minutes ago, Augustus said:

 

It's always true that both teams play on the same field, but it doesn't mean the fucked up field impacted the game exactly the same for both teams.  (Keep in mind, I'm glad KC won).

It's inexcusable for the Super Bowl to have a shitty field.  It's just beyond inexcusable. 

The idea that grass designed for a golf course, that is grown on a tray and wheeled in (so no real established root structure), and then painted on top of that, would be good to play football on is beyond absurd.  I'm no turf expert, put I did play football and I do play golf, and I know a thing or two about grass root structures that most everyone else knows as well, except of course for the NFL grounds experts.

Anyone who has had to repair their divots on a tee box or fairway, or repaired their ball marks on a green, knows that that kind of grass simply cannot hold up to a football game with the weight of the players planting their foot for a cut.  

The Okie Light tweets yesterday confirmed it was grass designed for golf courses. Looks great, but not real functional for a foosball game, Bobby.

Edited February 13, 2023 by Uncle Nate

[Vic Mackey 47110]

14 minutes ago, Augustus said:

 

It's always true that both teams play on the same field, but it doesn't mean the fucked up field impacted the game exactly the same for both teams.  (Keep in mind, I'm glad KC won).

It's inexcusable for the Super Bowl to have a shitty field.  It's just beyond inexcusable. 

Yes, the NFL should be embarrassed of that shit. On the biggest stage, their surface was fucking terrible. I wonder if this was a reason neither DL really had a big impact to getting to the QB? I know both OLs are very good but it seemed like I saw DL getting a clear path to the QB but slipped a little. 

 

[lilMAC25 3803]

1 hour ago, TreatyOak said:

Best thing about the Super Bowl was that as usual, you Cowboy fans could only look on in incomprehensible futility. 

Maybe next year the same bad coach, bad players and bad GM will put it all together and you'll win! 

You’re a Texas fan, and you can’t understand what it feels like to go years without a championship?