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  On 3/19/2023 at 5:09 AM, Hookem2147 said:

Correct. Terry played against him at UTEP.

The way Gerry made it sound is that assistants often brought names to Beard from the portal and Rice was someone the coaching staff was all-in on before Beard even got involved.

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Yep. Terry saw him multiple times in conference.

Thanks for the clarification.

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  On 3/19/2023 at 4:39 AM, HookEm said:

Also, SOMEBODY on the coaching staff deserves a ton of credit for the development work they have been putting in with Disu.  That dude has gone from being a liability to a complete monster.  And that development has happened AFTER Beard left the team.

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That would be the training staff, getting him 100% healthy and Terry + Donewald turning him from afterthought to focal point of the offense. Beard's teams were never oriented this way, which is why he has always struggled to recruit quality bigs. Terry shouldn't have this problem moving forward.

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  On 3/19/2023 at 5:24 AM, Wally Pryor said:

Yep. Terry saw him multiple times in conference.

Thanks for the clarification.

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So would this count as one of Terrys players and does this mean he can identify talent?   Couple that with the fact that the players and recruits seem to love him and that he’d likely keep donewald means he could possibly build a roster here. 

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Gerry Hamilton on Rodney Terry (drops the mic at the end)

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Posted
  On 3/19/2023 at 3:35 PM, 4th&Five said:

I don’t think he’s the best option but I’d be shocked if he didn’t get it at this point. 

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I think this game sealed it, and frankly he deserves to get the opportunity. If he goes to the elite 8, then i bet you see them take the tag off before the game.

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How instrumental was Terry in recruiting the talent that’s on this team?  I’m honestly not sure. 
 

Will this be analogous to when Switzer was handed over the keys to the Cowboys when Jimmy Johnson left?  

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  On 3/19/2023 at 3:43 PM, Vertigo said:

I think this game sealed it, and frankly he deserves to get the opportunity. If he goes to the elite 8, then i bet you see them take the tag off before the game.

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I'm against taking the tag off even if he's getting the job. 

Let the team think they're fighting for Terry's job. Hell, make Terry think he's fighting for his job. Desperation is a good thing. 

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  On 3/19/2023 at 3:48 PM, Rickylovesweed said:

I'm against taking the tag off even if he's getting the job. 

Let the team think they're fighting for Terry's job. Hell, make Terry think he's fighting for his job. Desperation is a good thing. 

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Yes, I don't understand why he needs to be hired now. It's like Terry fans are worried that he might not get the job if he loses the next game. CDC said he wanted Terry to coach this season without the encumbrance of who becomes the HC next year. The plan has been working well, so why mess with it now?

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  On 3/19/2023 at 3:43 PM, Vertigo said:

I think this game sealed it, and frankly he deserves to get the opportunity. If he goes to the elite 8, then i bet you see them take the tag off before the game.

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We are going to go with our best option. If there is a big name out there we want and they are interested that is where we will go. Terry is a good option if that other guy isn't out there. But that other guy will be our first option.

 

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It feels like an eternity since I watched Texas play in a Sweet 16 game. Rodney Terry deserves some big time props for keeping the team focused and getting them this far after the Beard fiasco. Bring on Pitt or Xavier, Texas is going to the Elite 8, book it!

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  On 3/19/2023 at 4:14 PM, po elvis said:

We are going to go with our best option. If there is a big name out there we want and they are interested that is where we will go. Terry is a good option if that other guy isn't out there. But that other guy will be our first option.

 

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Agreed

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Everyone thought Shaka was a good hire and he was a huge bust.
Everyone agreed Chris Beard was a home run hire and he apparently chokes women.

We have a guy that led us to the Sweet Sixteen for the first time since the iPhone 1 was new and George Bush was in office, and we’re thinking about not keeping him because we think we’re entitled to a better coach? History does not agree with the idea that we can hire a guaranteed winner.

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I decided to read up a bit more on Terry and didn't realize that he took Fresno State to the tournament in 2016 - their first appearance since 2001 when Jerry Tarkanian took them there. They haven't made it since and Fresno has only six tournament appearances in their history. 

I'm good with keeping him (if Billy Donovan doesn't come that is - I'm no fool).

 

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Something I give Terry a lot of credit for is having the balls to keep Morris and Mitchell on the bench. It's not easy keeping talented FR on the bench when they simply aren't ready to play. 

I think Baylor was a final 4 team this year if they realized the same thing with Keyontae George. 

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There was a lot of talk about our defensive regression under Terry - both by the numbers and by the "eye test".  While I thought some of that was playing in the Big-12 blood bath, you could see that the effort wasn't QUITE there.  Well, that has changed over the last 6 games. The defense is locked and loaded and absolutely clamping down teams. Carr and Timmy Allen in particular are playing great.  Help defense has also been tremendous.

Since the KU game in Austin:

Penn State
•    Season: 72 pts, 46.3 FG%, 38.7 3P%
•    Vs. UT: 66 pts, 41.7 FG%, 28.6 3P%

Colgate
•    Season: 78 pts, 51.1 FG%, 40.3 3P%
•    Vs. UT: 61 pts, 41.7 FG%, 28.6 3P%

Kansas 
•    Season: 75.4 pts, 46.8 FG%, 34.7 3P%
•    Vs. UT (Tourney): 56 pts, 41.4 FG%, 23.5 3P%
•    VS UT (Mar 4):  59 pts, 36.2 FG%, 31.8 3P%

TCU
•    Season: 75.3 pts, 45.3 FG%, 31.0 3P%
•    Vs. UT (Tourney): 56 pts, 35.6 FG%, 41.1 3P%

OSU
•    Season: 68.5 pts, 43.1 FG%, 31.4 3P%
•    Vs. UT (Tourney): 47 pts, 26.8 FG%, 14.3 3P%
 

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  On 3/20/2023 at 2:32 PM, HookEm said:

There was a lot of talk about our defensive regression under Terry - both by the numbers and by the "eye test".  While I thought some of that was playing in the Big-12 blood bath, you could see that the effort wasn't QUITE there.  Well, that has changed over the last 6 games. The defense is locked and loaded and absolutely clamping down teams. Carr and Timmy Allen in particular are playing great.  Help defense has also been tremendous.

Since the KU game in Austin:

Penn State
•    Season: 72 pts, 46.3 FG%, 38.7 3P%
•    Vs. UT: 66 pts, 41.7 FG%, 28.6 3P%

Colgate
•    Season: 78 pts, 51.1 FG%, 40.3 3P%
•    Vs. UT: 61 pts, 41.7 FG%, 28.6 3P%

Kansas 
•    Season: 75.4 pts, 46.8 FG%, 34.7 3P%
•    Vs. UT (Tourney): 56 pts, 41.4 FG%, 23.5 3P%
•    VS UT (Mar 4):  59 pts, 36.2 FG%, 31.8 3P%

TCU
•    Season: 75.3 pts, 45.3 FG%, 31.0 3P%
•    Vs. UT (Tourney): 56 pts, 35.6 FG%, 41.1 3P%

OSU
•    Season: 68.5 pts, 43.1 FG%, 31.4 3P%
•    Vs. UT (Tourney): 47 pts, 26.8 FG%, 14.3 3P%
 

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Another thing I have been considering is how the head coaching job is evolving - and how Terry's particular skills might make him more successful somewhere like Texas in 2023 than he was 10 years ago in a different era.  With the transfer portal and NIL, it is a completely different game today.

Big-time programs will be filling their teams with lots of SUCCESSFUL transfer portal players.  Most of these players were "the man" at their mid-major and are now moving up into bigger programs where they have to take lesser roles.  A lot of them are also leaving because they are unhappy.  As such, establishing a team culture is critical.  A culture where the players bond quickly and are playing for each other.   Player development will be important, but less so because many of these players will already be developed.  The key will be developing the TEAM and working with the players to adjust their game accordingly.

This was true to a lesser degree in years past with elite high school players.  Previously a hard-ass coach like Beard was necessary to transition them from being kids to being men.  Also player development was critical because many of the elite players had potential but were raw.  I don't think that is the only way to win today.

I think the challenge now will be to assess the landscape of good older players and see which ones fit the culture. Which ones will agree to coming off the bench like Rice?  Which ones will accept going from being a 20 ppg scorer like Carr to being a defensive stopper / off ball combo guard?

I.e. More of a Phil Jackson than a Greg Popovich type coach.  Get already great players to play great together.

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Who knows. The Bulls have been playing better since the all star break. Pat Bev has brought some leadership and LaVine/Vucavic/DeRozan is a solid core so Billy might have decided to stick it out. 

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It was interesting to me in the Poll thread on Terry that so fewer than half thought two wins and the sweet 16 would justify Terry's hire.  My position for a while has been, yes the parts were there, but the outcome could have been horrific after Beard's exit.  And it was at first, in all honestly.  This I think for most people is grossly dismissed as a distant possibility. Go re-watch our struggles ending with a 116 point bitch slap.  

My other main assumption is that I think that replacing Terry after what he has achieved would be more of a negative than a positive.  A position that can certainly be debated.  But the Texas players view him as their coach, and I think we would see an exodus and new rebuilding cycle if he is not hired.  Del Conte certainly, is under no obligation to hire Terry.  But I think right now it's the smartest and lowest risk choice.  Simply as I cannot put the name on paper that would eclipse with a positive vibe, the swell of negative vibes a dismissal might cause.  

Give me the big Splash name hire you think would justify not hiring Terry.  The man took what he had, and made it the best team any of us have seen in a very long time. I think winning tomorrow makes my position impossible to assail (logically). So get on board, and maybe Terry can give us a ride tomorrow and beyond and truly make Texas a basketball school.  He's a good guy, a good coach, and I think he will use this season and the new facilities to do very well on the recruiting trail.

If he fucks up, fire him.  But right now a dismissal would be a negative rather than a positive.  Flame away 1604...

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Posted
  On 3/19/2023 at 4:05 PM, Hookem2147 said:

Gerry:

Little nugget ... Tristan Thompson facetimed RT last night a few minutes before RT's pre game speech ... Tristan asked to talk to the team ... Tristan told the team that the Arizona loss is a game that still hurts him, personally. And that Texas let a great opportunity slip away. 

The Texas family is all in helping this team, as much as possible.

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That Arizona loss still hurts me too, and I haven’t had a Kardashian licking my taint to ease the pain…

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  On 3/23/2023 at 6:53 PM, horn4life said:

It was interesting to me in the Poll thread on Terry that so fewer than half thought two wins and the sweet 16 would justify Terry's hire.  My position for a while has been, yes the parts were there, but the outcome could have been horrific after Beard's exit.  And it was at first, in all honestly.  This I think for most people is grossly dismissed as a distant possibility. Go re-watch our struggles ending with a 116 point bitch slap.  

My other main assumption is that I think that replacing Terry after what he has achieved would be more of a negative than a positive.  A position that can certainly be debated.  But the Texas players view him as their coach, and I think we would see an exodus and new rebuilding cycle if he is not hired.  Del Conte certainly, is under no obligation to hire Terry.  But I think right now it's the smartest and lowest risk choice.  Simply as I cannot put the name on paper that would eclipse with a positive vibe, the swell of negative vibes a dismissal might cause.  

Give me the big Splash name hire you think would justify not hiring Terry.  The man took what he had, and made it the best team any of us have seen in a very long time. I think winning tomorrow makes my position impossible to assail (logically). So get on board, and maybe Terry can give us a ride tomorrow and beyond and truly make Texas a basketball school.  He's a good guy, a good coach, and I think he will use this season and the new facilities to do very well on the recruiting trail.

If he fucks up, fire him.  But right now a dismissal would be a negative rather than a positive.  Flame away 1604...

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I am not disagreeing with anything you said. I just think that the whole “holding the ship together” augment is a bit false. 
I’m not denying that he has done a good job but this is the most player lead, mature and self motivated team I have ever seen. They have been very clear that they are all in on themselves.  A day or so after Beard was suspended Allen said words to the effect of “we are doing this for ourselves and no one else”. 
My point is that these players are a unique group and it is not surprising that they were able to hold it together. 

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Fair, but there are a lot of hard-ass, ego-centric head coaches who would try to bend this "player led, mature team" to their will. Sometimes it results in great teams. Sometimes it breaks them and they crap out early.  If they are indeed player-led, then Terry deserves credit for getting out of their way.

On the flip side, I don't think the players are the ones coaching up Dylan Disu into playing like an All-American / NCAA Tourney MVP.

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  On 3/24/2023 at 1:33 PM, HookEm said:

Fair, but there are a lot of hard-ass, ego-centric head coaches who would try to bend this "player led, mature team" to their will. Sometimes it results in great teams. Sometimes it breaks them and they crap out early.  If they are indeed player-led, then Terry deserves credit for getting out of their way.

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No doubt.  Now, when he has a younger, less mature team, should he get out of their way?

This squad is like an Izzo national title team, totally battle-tested, ready for anything, really hard to fluster.  That doesn't mean the coach does nothing, we've all commented on RT's feel for calling a late time out and getting things on track, but it also doesn't mean he could out-Cal Calipari with a bunch of freshman blue chips, either.  (Not that Cal hits it out of the park all that often.)

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  On 3/24/2023 at 8:32 PM, Js1 said:

Nothing like coming onto a message board and parroting Bohls' BS, like that gives you some sort of credibility. 

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I don't read Bohls, but I'm using the fact that RT hasn't been offered the job. Yet. 

 

Maybe RT is in the driver's seat here and not CDC.

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