2023 Thread of Racism in America

[fattyflattie 4639]

Just now, Sawbonz said:

All I could find is some banks will give you points for having a dei program. Can you link something that says they won’t give you a loan at all without one?

Do you know the difference between ESG and DEI?  Couldn’t help but notice you’ve ignored one entirely, over several replies, even after it was specifically noted thru several of my posts.  Curious.   Disappointed doc. 

[Sawbonz 27537]

2 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Do you know the difference between ESG and DEI?  Couldn’t help but notice you’ve ignored one entirely, over several replies, even after it was specifically noted thru several of my posts.  Curious.   Disappointed doc. 

Well this is the racism thread and your initial post I was responding to was specifically discussing your experience with dei questions you were asked, so I’m not sure why you think my focus is weird.
 

I take it that you don’t have any examples of a company not being able to get a loan without a dei program (I guess for completeness you can add environmentally friendly or sustainability programs if you want but you didn’t mention being asked about those things)

[YGIFS 19449]

In 24 hours, my youngest will turn 5. And I will explain to her that it’s Good Friday.  A man walked into Golgotha knowing his fate all those centuries ago.  Dying to save us from ourselves.  And many family members and friends will call her to wish her a happy birthday.  And a troubling number of them will then hang up and order one of Trump’s bibles.  And I will contemplate what will become of her country when I am long gone.  
 

the worst among us is literally fundraising off of Bible sales to fund his criminal enterprise law suits.  And I have to pray tonight for sanity and then walk them into holy weekend masses.  All the while, pretending I don’t really think this is an illusion.  Admittedly, it’s an affront to other faiths of the world to consider this to just be an “our” problem, but it sure as shit feels like one.  The man upstairs doesn’t talk to us for 2000+ years. And then 75mm people pick this fucking guy to lead us and hock his many leather bound volumes?   And we’re supposed to rest easy and maintain faith?  

[atomheartbevo 89626]

 

[fattyflattie 4639]

7 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

I take it that you don’t have any examples of a company not being able to get a loan without a dei program (I guess for completeness you can add environmentally friendly or sustainability programs if you want but you didn’t mention being asked about those things)

Lots of them weren’t doing ESG and DEI movements until their lenders that fund them said they had to.  Now, it’s super duper important. I’m sure it’s because they really really want to, though.  
 

Reading and magnets. How do they work? 

[Sawbonz 27537]

3 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Lots of them weren’t doing ESG and DEI movements until their lenders that fund them said they had to.  Now, it’s super duper important. I’m sure it’s because they really really want to, though.  
 

Reading and magnets. How do they work? 

Again you haven’t linked any lender that shows a company *has* to prove ESG or DEI to get a loan

 

From what I read online there is a new type of loan since around 2017 that gives a discount to companies that can demonstrate an ESG program

 

Chase gives me a discount on my car note if I let them auto draft the monthly payment. Doesn’t mean I can’t get a car loan if I don’t do that 

['stache 21795]

I’m sure these multi billion international Fortune 500 financial firms are just begging to staff their tens of thousands of jobs with only white people, but are just so unfairly treated. I could never imagine in my lifetime that being an open racist wouldn’t only be socially acceptable but revered. I hate that my kids are going to live in a world where each of their accomplishments will be questioned by half the population as DEI. Way worse than even I’ve faced. Or as fatty would say “fuck them kids.”

Edited March 28 by 'stache

[fattyflattie 4639]

51 minutes ago, 'stache said:

I hate that my kids are going to live in a world where each of their accomplishments will be questioned by half the population as DEI

This has been happening with affirmative action for decades.   Just a new name.  

['stache 21795]

Just now, fattyflattie said:

This has been happening with affirmative action for decades.   Just a new name.  

Yea, racists have been racist for decades. Good observation idiot. The difference is that it’s now popular to not only be racist but to say it out loud. 

['stache 21795]

13 minutes ago, BeardIP said:

I think he is saying that affirmative action (and some DEI policies) are racist by technical and academic definition (by virtue of race being the sole influence) versus the jargon use of racism we use to denote Caucasians being unfair to BIPOCs.

It's almost as though people who were considered property for 200+ years, then "less than" for another hundred years, all while being denied the same opportunities for education, higher education, and in the workforce, might have some generational effects that logical people feel deserve to be addressed. But that's crazy, I guess. Everything's the same now. Give me a fucking break.

BTW, your definition of "racist" is so off it's laughable. Your "technical and academic" definition of race being an influence is by definition a form of discrimination, which has many connotations, not all of which are negative. The definition of racism is "a belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race."

Affirmative action and DEI, as you're describing it, is not racism, because it's not based on a belief that race defines human traits. It's the opposite in fact and is a a form of discrimination by technical definition designed to remedy a past of insidious discrimination against certain groups, primarily Black people and Latinos (not limited to them of course), which was premised on the belief that their race made them inferior, i.e., racism. 

But yeah, white folks just can't catch any breaks these days.

Edited March 28 by 'stache

['stache 21795]

Just now, BeardIP said:

I take your point and generally agree, but the fact is still it's a racist policy insomuch as the word racist has a specific meaning. Now, I think that says more about etymology and sociology.

It would be interesting if the word "racist" can be taken back as one of those words that started as a negative term but was reclaimed and turned positive term by the marginalized class as society becomes more aware and educated (e.g. "queer", "socialist", etc.)

I edited the post to address this, you're not describing "racism."

[mdmost 42999]

It would be interesting if white people would stop acting so put upon that some want to level the playing field for people who've historically been excluded from opportunities like jobs, housing, lines of credit, education, etc. 

[Brisketexan 105064]

3 minutes ago, mdmost said:

It would be interesting if white people would stop acting so put upon that some want to level the playing field for people who've historically been excluded from opportunities like jobs, housing, lines of credit, education, etc. 

The real bottom line is that we've reached a point where white people can actually visualize an America where they AREN'T in complete control of every single institution of power, and minorities will be.  And white people are fucking TERRIFIED that when minorities are in control, they'll treat white people as shitty as white people treated the minorities when THEY were in power.  It's all about fear of having done unto them as they have done unto others.

[safe sex 11696]

I see Chrispy is finally starting to get tired of his latest account.

[Neonmoon 38129]

BeardIP is Chrispy? 

Ugh this website 

Edited March 28 by Neonmoon

[Pancho 44707]

It’s okay, BeardIP and fatty don’t say DEI with a hard I at the end.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33859]

1 minute ago, Neonmoon said:

BeardIP is Chrispy? 

Ugh this website 

and donkey, and monkey and every other stupid animal/tobacco combo an idiot can come up with

[fattyflattie 4639]

1 hour ago, 'stache said:

Yea, racists have been racist for decades. Good observation idiot. The difference is that it’s now popular to not only be racist but to say it out loud. 

Idiot?  That’s not nice.  Especially coming from someone insinuating that this is some new issue their kids will face, knowing it’s been going on for decades and you lived thru it yourself. If you’re worried that your children will face that perception, quit pushing for racist policies. 
 

11 minutes ago, Pancho said:

It’s okay, BeardIP and fatty don’t say DEI with a hard I at the end.

I haven’t heard anyone use DEI that way.  Most of the racists around our sites still use the term Mondays. 

['stache 21795]

39 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Idiot?  That’s not nice.  Especially coming from someone insinuating that this is some new issue their kids will face, knowing it’s been going on for decades and you lived thru it yourself. If you’re worried that your children will face that perception, quit pushing for racist policies. 
 

I haven’t heard anyone use DEI that way.  Most of the racists around our sites still use the term Mondays. 

DEI, please, you know goddamned well how it's being used these days.

[YChang 3443]

I believe there's a valid debate around how DEI programs are designed, implemented, and measured in various organizations. Problem is it often means different things in differnt orgs from a university (no standards there either!) to private organizations. Sure, post George Floyd we got a surge of token programs popping up everywhere but that was a watershed moment in the history of this country. But to paint it as somehow discrimination against white people is just lazy thinking. 

[safe sex 11696]

Straight white conservatives being intellectually lazy?? 

[mdmost 42999]

Yes, yes. Assuming a person of color got their position because of DEI or affirmative action and not actual merit is strictly because of those "racist policies" and not the inherent racism of the person assuming. Like saying the mayor of Baltimore is a DEI mayor. Yeah, that's DEI's fault. 

[fattyflattie 4639]

1 hour ago, 'stache said:

DEI, please, you know goddamned well how it's being used these days.

Are you talking about memes and Twitter or real life interactions?  Do you believe living,  breathing people are walking around using DEI in lieu of dropping an N-bomb in casual conversations?   

[fattyflattie 4639]

25 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Yes, yes. Assuming a person of color got their position because of DEI or affirmative action and not actual merit is strictly because of those "racist policies" and not the inherent racism of the person assuming. Like saying the mayor of Baltimore is a DEI mayor. Yeah, that's DEI's fault. 

Who’s arguing otherwise?  Only one poster has a fear his kids will be perceived in this manner.   As far as anyone knows, DEI only works if you’re a pilot or supreme court justice.  

Edited March 28 by fattyflattie

['stache 21795]

Just now, fattyflattie said:

Are you talking about memes and Twitter or real life interactions?  Do you believe living,  breathing people are walking around using DEI in lieu of dropping an N-bomb in casual conversations?   

Yes, and you know this damn well, most recently the gqp references to Baltimore's "DEI Mayor." You're little head in the sand trick is transparent as hell, but you obviously know this as well.

[fattyflattie 4639]

1 minute ago, 'stache said:

Yes, and you know this damn well, most recently the gqp references to Baltimore's "DEI Mayor." You're little head in the sand trick is transparent as hell, but you obviously know this as well.

You’re mistaking head in the sand for me not giving a fuck. 

['stache 21795]

Oh well all know you give zero fucks about racism in this world. Move along.

[Mdhorn 5947]

2 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

The real bottom line is that we've reached a point where white people can actually visualize an America where they AREN'T in complete control of every single institution of power, and minorities will be. 

Mostly, it's just the rich fearing they'll lose power.  In a Democracy, they have to divide the population to get the necessary votes to support their 1% rule.  Racism is a way to do that.  The NFL had to enact the Rooney rule so that Black coaches could get a shot at being interviewed.  Fucking interviewed, not hired but seen.  That's America in a nutshell.  We have to implement laws to get a fair shake, which gets convoluted.  

Even slogans such as Black Lives Matter get twisted to all lives matter, despite all lives not being being threatened.  We say there's two different laws--rich and poor, while really there's a third type doled out to minorities. I have not been threatened at work by minorities--not teaching, nor working as staff at universities. When I attend staff appreciation parties, I am surprised how many minorities are maintenance vs administrators.  It's almost like there are roles for minorities, but it's primarily pushing a stick.  And that's how we boost our equality based employment numbers.  When we discuss welfare in this country, it's in regards to minorities.  Storming the capitol on Jan 6th is cool, but taking a knee in silent protest is un American.  Muhammad Ali saying fuck the draft was un American, while Trump deferring 5 times is commander in chief material.  RW snowflakes moaning woe is me after 400 + years of absolute dominance because equality protections, is boo freaking hoo.

['stache 21795]

And for all the consternation, everybody knows that DEI at major corporations is not much more than a page on the website. I'm very familiar with these types of programs. Or made up bullshit like "I couldn't get a loan because woke DEI" or whatever the fuck that lie was about.

[TheStoicPaisano 9922]

2 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

I haven’t heard anyone use DEI that way.  Most of the racists around our sites still use the term Mondays. 

 

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

2 hours ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

and donkey, and monkey and every other stupid animal/tobacco combo an idiot can come up with

Once I figured out the rubric about eight configurations ago is was easy. If it helps you at all, you can do as I do:

 When you see one of the posts, just say in your head: HON-KEY and move on.

[fattyflattie 4639]

10 minutes ago, 'stache said:

And for all the consternation, everybody knows that DEI at major corporations is not much more than a page on the website. I'm very familiar with these types of programs. Or made up bullshit like "I couldn't get a loan because woke DEI" or whatever the fuck that lie was about.

Jesus fuck the inability for “educated” individuals on this site to read is troubling. Or, just more bad faith arguments, whatevs.  But if that’s what you got from it, I can actually understand the concern you have about the kids now.  

[Satchel 6926]

13 hours ago, YGIFS said:

In 24 hours, my youngest will turn 5. And I will explain to her that it’s Good Friday.  A man walked into Golgotha knowing his fate all those centuries ago.  Dying to save us from ourselves.  And many family members and friends will call her to wish her a happy birthday.  And a troubling number of them will then hang up and order one of Trump’s bibles.  And I will contemplate what will become of her country when I am long gone.  
 

the worst among us is literally fundraising off of Bible sales to fund his criminal enterprise law suits.  And I have to pray tonight for sanity and then walk them into holy weekend masses.  All the while, pretending I don’t really think this is an illusion.  Admittedly, it’s an affront to other faiths of the world to consider this to just be an “our” problem, but it sure as shit feels like one.  The man upstairs doesn’t talk to us for 2000+ years. And then 75mm people pick this fucking guy to lead us and hock his many leather bound volumes?   And we’re supposed to rest easy and maintain faith?  

How is your 5 year old progressing in her CRT classes?

[Longhorn_Fan68 33859]

1 minute ago, fattyflattie said:

Jesus fuck the inability for “educated” individuals on this site to read is troubling. Or, just more bad faith arguments, whatevs.  But if that’s what you got from it, I can actually understand the concern you have about the kids now.  

you've provided exactly zero evidence for your argument(s). perhaps look at little inward before casting judgment on others around here

[YGIFS 19449]

Just now, Satchel said:

How is your 5 year old progressing in her CRT classes?

well, for starters-I am making sure she understands that my maternal grandmother was denied service time and time again at myriad businesses in Texas because of her overtly mexican appearance.  And then I'll have to remind her that it's all a rumor.  A mutually agreed upon mythology.  That it never happened.  But I know it did.  

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

2 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

 

Happy birthday to your youngest!

[SydneyCarton 48054]

1 hour ago, safe sex said:

Straight white conservatives being intellectually lazy?? 

Listen, I'm straight, white, and intellectually lazy. But lets not insult me by lumping me in with that other group. 

[YGIFS 19449]

8 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Happy birthday to your youngest!

Thank you.  I think this is the first time that she's had her birthday on Good Friday/Easter weekend since she's been born.  And I'l have our MAGA family over for brunch on Sunday.   And I won't say a word, but I'll quietly remember that my cousin's mom and my mother are from Mexico.  and while it was certainly nothing compared to the plight of Black Americans, it was not a picnic either.  And she'll pray for Trump's saving of our country on the rebirth of the Lord, our god.  And I will smile.  And remain sober.  And wonder how this all came to be.  That the Son of God told us that the strongest of his lessons of "Faith, Hope, and Love" was Love.  And that 35% of us took away the lesson, "Yeah, that gay ass love stuff is bullshit...let's be mean to  dark people and queers."  He walked for 40 days to remind us of two lessons.  That we could be redeemed in his father's eyes and have the everlasting life that he did.  And second, to love one another as he had loved us.  and what have we chosen in a country he never knew?  To visit cruelty upon one another despite him handing us beauty on a silver platter.  

['stache 21795]

24 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Listen, I'm straight, white, and intellectually lazy. But lets not insult me by lumping me in with that other group. 

[Sawbonz 27537]

50 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Jesus fuck the inability for “educated” individuals on this site to read is troubling. Or, just more bad faith arguments, whatevs.  But if that’s what you got from it, I can actually understand the concern you have about the kids now.  

Still waiting for the link to the companies whose only loan options require ESG programs 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33859]

1 minute ago, Sawbonz said:

Still waiting for the link to the companies whose only loan options require ESG programs 

[Satchel 6926]

5 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

This has been happening with affirmative action for decades.   Just a new name.  

Well, if you look at the raw numbers in corporate and academic spaces, it’s been a abysmal failure

[fattyflattie 4639]

5 minutes ago, Satchel said:

Well, if you look at the raw numbers in corporate and academic spaces, it’s been a abysmal failure

Racism. 

[fattyflattie 4639]

10 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Still waiting for the link to the companies whose only loan options require ESG programs 

Type the 5 banks I posted into Google, along with “ESG” and “O&G lending” and let me know what you find.  You’re a big brained doc, you can figure it out. Or shit, spend some of that 25 milli on an assistant to Google for you?   If you’ll excuse me, I have to get back to my merit based work. 

[SydneyCarton 48054]

9 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Type the 5 banks I posted into Google, along with “ESG” and “O&G lending” and let me know what you find.  You’re a big brained doc, you can figure it out. Or shit, spend some of that 25 milli on an assistant to Google for you?   If you’ll excuse me, I have to get back to my merit based work. 

You've wasted more posts telling him to google it than it would have taken the oh so easy few mintues you purport to just find the links and paste it. And this is after the guy, several times, has said he's googled it and has found nothing at all to support your claims. The burden of proof is on you. But you know that, but this is why no one takes your shit seriously. 

[Sawbonz 27537]

19 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Type the 5 banks I posted into Google, along with “ESG” and “O&G lending” and let me know what you find.  You’re a big brained doc, you can figure it out. Or shit, spend some of that 25 milli on an assistant to Google for you?   If you’ll excuse me, I have to get back to my merit based work. 

You made an assertion that your company “had” to have ESG/dei programs in order to get funding.
 

all I find on google is that many banks offer a product that gives a discount for companies that can document those programs. Not even close to the same thing

Provide some proof for your assertion or fuck off

[Covri 6244]

My company has moved to DEIB. I'm sure they didn't ask fatty about the B because they didn't want him to feel like he belongs. 
 

 

 

 

[fattyflattie 4639]

37 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

You made an assertion that your company “had” to have ESG/dei programs in order to get funding.
 

all I find on google is that many banks offer a product that gives a discount for companies that can document those programs. Not even close to the same thing

Provide some proof for your assertion or fuck off

I didn’t make any assertions about “my company”, or any company I work for.  I recalled an interview that had ~33% of the questions referencing diversity, inclusiveness, and equitable work. Again, doc, reading comp. Its rather important.  
 

51 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

You've wasted more posts telling him to google it than it would have taken the oh so easy few mintues you purport to just find the links and paste it

It’s not my job. He can take it or leave it, Idgaf. Post #696 and #697 covered the entirety of it, succinctly.  But anyone working in or invested heavily in O&G remember when the ESG initiatives came out, remember who was no longer funding without the correct ESG score and “net zero initiatives”, and it’s easily Googleable.  Maybe he’s tripped up because we were still doing affirmative action then in lieu of DEI?  Or he cannot process things he reads. Who knows? 

[SydneyCarton 48054]

1 minute ago, fattyflattie said:

I didn’t make any assertions about “my company”, or any company I work for.  I recalled an interview that had ~33% of the questions referencing diversity, inclusiveness, and equitable work. Again, doc, reading comp. Its rather important.  
 

It’s not my job. He can take it or leave it, Idgaf. Post #696 and #697 covered the entirety of it, succinctly.  But anyone working in or invested heavily in O&G remember when the ESG initiatives came out, remember who was no longer funding without the correct ESG score and “net zero initiatives”, and it’s easily Googleable.  Maybe he’s tripped up because we were still doing affirmative action then in lieu of DEI?  Or he cannot process things he reads. Who knows? 

You talk about reading comprehension, but you comprehended absolutely zero of my post or you just ignored and dismissed it. I know which one is most likely. 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33859]

2 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

I didn’t make any assertions about “my company”, or any company I work for.  I recalled an interview that had ~33% of the questions referencing diversity, inclusiveness, and equitable work. Again, doc, reading comp. Its rather important.  
 

It’s not my job. He can take it or leave it, Idgaf. Post #696 and #697 covered the entirety of it, succinctly.  But anyone working in or invested heavily in O&G remember when the ESG initiatives came out, remember who was no longer funding without the correct ESG score and “net zero initiatives”, and it’s easily Googleable.  Maybe he’s tripped up because we were still doing affirmative action then in lieu of DEI?  Or he cannot process things he reads. Who knows? 

there are multiple posters, myself included, who have tried to tell you that you have provided no evidence of your assertion. if you're so confident in your stance, YOU post the proof. otherwise you're just a poo-flinging troll, which only reinforces why i have you on ignore