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Texzilla58

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I doubt it's truly "anonymous", but to your point, NFL owners don't need driving service tracking to know you've been at the club all night.  They can just as easily figure that out through plenty of other avenues.  

The NFLPA service is supposedly anonymous and reports nothing to owners.
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I think the pendulum has swung too far to where RB isnt valued enough. A team with replacement level running backs is literally leaving yards- and win probability-on the field every play.

No other position besides QB and WR1 has that much variability between elite and replacement and the effect that it actually has on the game. 10-15 million for an extra half yard to a yard per play for your offense is a great value

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8 minutes ago, cmontexas said:

I think the pendulum has swung too far to where RB isnt valued enough. A team with replacement level running backs is literally leaving yards- and win probability-on the field every play.

No other position besides QB and WR1 has that much variability between elite and replacement and the effect that it actually has on the game. 10-15 million for an extra half yard to a yard per play for your offense is a great value

Better to spend money on an elite second receiver in the modern game than to overpay a running back. 

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15 minutes ago, cmontexas said:

I think the pendulum has swung too far to where RB isnt valued enough. A team with replacement level running backs is literally leaving yards- and win probability-on the field every play.

No other position besides QB and WR1 has that much variability between elite and replacement and the effect that it actually has on the game. 10-15 million for an extra half yard to a yard per play for your offense is a great value

It's the short shelf life assigned.  Yes the top running backs in the game are worth that money when they are producing, but by maximizing their impact on the offense they are run into the ground.  You expect multiple contracts out of the other positions.

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I think the pendulum has swung too far to where RB isnt valued enough. A team with replacement level running backs is literally leaving yards- and win probability-on the field every play.
No other position besides QB and WR1 has that much variability between elite and replacement and the effect that it actually has on the game. 10-15 million for an extra half yard to a yard per play for your offense is a great value

The situation is there in black and white. It’s been there for decades but until the era of so much stats and analytics did it come to such high visibility. It’s very clear: age 27 and 1500 touches are very hard brick walls for RBs that actually make it to that stage of their career. The production after those marks show big declines. That is a big reason not to offer these players big second contracts, while with other positions that is the prime for the top players. And with a short shelf life the tendency is to get everything one can out of young RBs before they either get hurt or hit the expiration date.

The market doesn’t serve the position either. College ball can’t produce enough NFL QBs, as there aren’t 32 of them. They don’t produce enough top tackles, or edge rushers, or shutdown corners. But serviceable RBs are produced by the boatload. A top RB in high school can win you state, and can make a college program competitive so lots of players love that spotlight. There are few Bijans made each season, but that next level goes deep into the UDFA pool. RBs are like shark teeth; use em up as you got more.

And it’s not about just running. Can the RB block, more specifically can they read a blitz and pick it up? In a time of one back sets it’s even more important. Can they, or will they, contribute on special teams? Both are big issues in the nfl. This has been the element that has kept Zeke on the field; he might be the best at the blocking game since Emmitt. But that speaks to an even worse position: fullback.

The guys that eat cap will continue to be QBs, O linemen, edge rushers, WRs, and CBS. The other positions will continue to be cannon fodder. It goes to team building as well. You can’t give everyone a second contract so you gotta draft well, know the UDFA market, and get cheap FAs. RBs just don’t fit the market right in any way.
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No shit. It’s disproportionate by the violation and the player. Gambling. The league is now all partnered up with gambling enterprises, and the gambling revenue is dependent on the “integrity” of the game on the field. You can beat the shit out of your wife and kids, use drugs, be involved in shootings and assaults, just don’t lay a bet.

These guys get a year at least. Tyreek might get a slap on the wrist. Alvin kamara needs to go to prison, but Derek carr loves him.

But it also is about who you be. Under the rules Mike Vick should have gotten a lifetime ban. As vile as his dog operation was he was the ringleader and manager of an illegal gambling operation.

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I understand the concern over gambling back in the 60s when the majority of these dudes still had to get off season jobs, but now? If you have $10MM guaranteed over the next 3 years, how much would someone have to pay you to throw a game to make it worth it? $20MM? The fixer would need to be laying down twice the to make it worth while, and who the fuck is going to take a $40MM bet?

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https://sports.yahoo.com/saints-rb-alvin-kamara-reportedly-pleads-no-contest-to-lesser-charge-after-las-vegas-fight-190603583.html

Beats this dude into the hospital and gets some community service. Settled the civil suit. The league will probably suspend him for 1 quarter.
And Zeke got 6 games in a witch hunt where there was no evidence of anything. In fact, it was proven she actually was lying about it.
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RBs getting proper fucked lately, just crazy to see. Wasn't long ago we'd see a back like Zeke sign somewhere and we'd all laugh, good luck with that. Then the next season he signs with another team and we laugh again. Now no one over 3 years old gets a look now. 

Got to think before mid season some of these younger vets find a team. 

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RBs getting proper fucked lately, just crazy to see. Wasn't long ago we'd see a back like Zeke sign somewhere and we'd all laugh, good luck with that. Then the next season he signs with another team and we laugh again. Now no one over 3 years old gets a look now. 
Got to think before mid season some of these younger vets find a team. 

The market is the market. If RBs don’t want to get paid like RBs then don’t be a RB. Joe Mixon (fuck you Joe Mixon) took a pay cut today from $9.4m to $5.1m. Otherwise he might have got cut.

As long as teams can put together effective running games with young cheap RBs (see Chiefs) and colleges flood the rookie pool with more decent RBs than can find gigs, the days of overpaid RBs is over.

Pollard better bank that $10m franchise tag salary as he’s likely on the street in 24 if he doesn’t sign a cheap long term deal. Saquon and Josh can either play on their tags or sit out, which is money never recovered as LeVeon Bell can attest. Bijan will make a tidy sum on his draft position but he should expect the same treatment in five years if he produces and four if he don’t.

Age is bad on the wheels in this league and big $ RBs just don’t make sense. Draft. Run em to death. Draft another. Cut the old used up one.
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1 hour ago, Dewey said:

RBs getting proper fucked lately, just crazy to see. Wasn't long ago we'd see a back like Zeke sign somewhere and we'd all laugh, good luck with that. Then the next season he signs with another team and we laugh again. Now no one over 3 years old gets a look now. 

Got to think before mid season some of these younger vets find a team. 

No one wants to repeat the dumbshit contract that Jerrah did with Zeke...

"7 reasons the Cowboys giving Ezekiel Elliott a massive contract was a mistake"

By:  Steven Ruiz  September 4, 2019 

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/09/cowboys-ezekiel-elliott-contract-mistake

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