It couldn't happen here, until it does ...active shooter on MSU campus

[sidis 9828]

15 hours ago, Handcruser said:

Are good guys with guns allowed there?

yes.

[YGIFS 19450]

It's vaguely, tangentially related but I'm kinda struggling to see the connection between domestic mass shootings and some Mexicans buying shitty guns from Central America?  I'm sure there's a Haitian illegally buying a crate of assault rifles as I type this, but I'm not really worried about that guy since those bullets are bound for the torsos of other warlords.  

There is a 21-yead old Spartan who has now lived through two mass school shootings in less than a decade.  She can't rent a car, but she will get to bury 30 fellow classmates (maybe more with 5 still in serious condition).  But yes, Nicaragua runs guns.  Film at 11.  

[Baboontyme 2810]

4 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

It's vaguely, tangentially related but I'm kinda struggling to see the connection between domestic mass shootings and some Mexicans buying shitty guns from Central America?  I'm sure there's a Haitian illegally buying a crate of assault rifles as I type this, but I'm not really worried about that guy since those bullets are bound for the torsos of other warlords.  

There is a 21-yead old Spartan who has now lived through two mass school shootings in less than a decade.  She can't rent a car, but she will get to bury 30 fellow classmates (maybe more with 5 still in serious condition).  But yes, Nicaragua runs guns.  Film at 11.  

Yes. I need to get off the internet. Emotional. 

[cactusflinthead 27598]

5 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

It's vaguely, tangentially related but I'm kinda struggling to see the connection between domestic mass shootings and some Mexicans buying shitty guns from Central America?  I'm sure there's a Haitian illegally buying a crate of assault rifles as I type this, but I'm not really worried about that guy since those bullets are bound for the torsos of other warlords.  

There is a 21-yead old Spartan who has now lived through two mass school shootings in less than a decade.  She can't rent a car, but she will get to bury 30 fellow classmates (maybe more with 5 still in serious condition).  But yes, Nicaragua runs guns.  Film at 11.  

"There would be a massive surge in guns being moved up through the Southern border. Gun running would be a big part of cartel business. The first step is securing the border and then legislation."

Reply #32

If we get rid of guns in America instead of easy to transport powders they are going to start flooding the country with guns that will only be available to outlaws 

QED

[YGIFS 19450]

3 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

"There would be a massive surge in guns being moved up through the Southern border. Gun running would be a big part of cartel business. The first step is securing the border and then legislation."

Reply #32

If we get rid of guns in America instead of easy to transport powders they are going to start flooding the country with guns that will only be available to outlaws 

QED

I don't see many posts on here calling for the "getting rid of all guns in America."  We're doing just fine on gun violence with legally purchased firearms made in the good ol' USofA.  I think there may have been a handful of mass shootings in the U.S. prior to the current "SECURE THE BORDER" messaging of the last 25 months.  Just a few though, I'd have to check some old newspaper clippings and microfiche.

[Cheeseweasel 26438]

Digging into the gun violence in school:

https://k12ssdb.org/all-shootings

From 1970 - 2023

 

 

Top 3:

• Accidental
• Escalation of Dispute
• Drive-by Shooting
   

My thought is that we have a country that is horrible at resolving our differences and reading the vitriol on social media, I fear it's going to get worse. 

 

 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

I will confess to not following the membership of individual seats of the Michigan state legislature that closely.  Shame on me.

IDGAF.  Dude said the right thing at the right time.  More leaders -- a LOT more leaders -- should do the exact same thing.  

Odd the prevailing populist thing to do is make fun of thoughts and prayers, whilst simultaneously offering “deepest condolences” - which is certainly a thought. While he will proceed to do exactly nothing about this, because the gun lobby is much too strong. His entire essence is contradictory style over substance. And I agree with you on the substance, but I won’t follow his ass. 

[fattyflattie 4639]

48 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

h.  You're referring to laws on the books at present.  Give it time, they'll be struck down.

Yes, I try to discuss reality and leave the dystopian fantasies clouded by emotion and tittyfits to others.  

[Patricio Swayze 17058]

Digging into the gun violence in school:
https://k12ssdb.org/all-shootings
From 1970 - 2023
 

 
Top 3:

• Accidental
• Escalation of Dispute
• Drive-by Shooting
   

My thought is that we have a country that is horrible at resolving our differences and reading the vitriol on social media, I fear it's going to get worse. 
 
 

Lack of empathy? You should see how some of your friends are empathetic in the LGBT thread.

[Cheeseweasel 26438]

9 minutes ago, Patricio Swayze said:

You should see how some of your friends are empathetic in the LGBT thread.

Jokes on you, I don't have any friends.

 

[Poe It Up 126]

27 minutes ago, Patricio Swayze said:

Lack of empathy? You should see how some of your friends are empathetic in the LGBT thread.

I’m a gun owner, show a little empathy towards me. 

[Patricio Swayze 17058]

I’m a gun owner, show a little empathy towards me. 

I absolutely have. I don’t think all guns should be banned. Certain types of guns and/or high capacity clips/magazines should be banned or extremely restricted. There should be red flag laws. I think it’s a good idea to restrict males from buying certain guns before the age of 25. I don’t think anyone, anywhere should be able to buy a gun and possess it in the same day. Not even two days.

But again, I (and most everyone on here) is willing to compromise. Except for the gun nits that base their personality around what they perceive the 2nd amendment to mean. They won’t budge. Some of y’all will claim you want to compromise, but here we go again, your vote doesn’t support your assertion that you are willing to compromise.

[Cheeseweasel 26438]

7 minutes ago, Poe It Up said:

I’m a gun owner, show a little empathy towards me. 

Thoughts and prayers.

 

[Serak The Preparer 3431]

39 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Yes, I try to discuss reality and leave the dystopian fantasies clouded by emotion and tittyfits to others.  

Yes, the man who regards SJL as the voice of the Democratic Party when it comes to gun control claims he discusses reality and ignores fantasy. Regardless of where you stand on need / desire for gun control, you regularly dismiss reality in reach for hyperbole.

[fattyflattie 4639]

9 minutes ago, Serak The Preparer said:

Yes, the man who regards SJL as the voice of the Democratic Party when it comes to gun control claims he discusses reality and ignores fantasy. Regardless of where you stand on need / desire for gun control, you regularly dismiss reality in reach for hyperbole.

So of the 75 bills that she's listed as a sponsor, 7 are for additional firearm regulation.   10% of her political contribution.  Beats the other garbage about honoring Dusty Baker and recognizing Jazz and a host of other stupid shit on that list, I suppose.  

[Wally Fairway 5548]

16 hours ago, mchookem said:

 

18 hours ago, YGIFS said:

Thoughts, prayers, and other useless gestures coming your way tonight East Lansing.  You're the focus of the next 24 hours until the next mass shooting in the U.S. on Thursday.  Don't ask me how I know.

Thoughts and prayers, and pass the ammunition.

It's all good until somebody else decides they want a lot of attention for a short period of time.

[fattyflattie 4639]

17 minutes ago, Patricio Swayze said:

There should be red flag laws.

Can the accused plead these down, or would it be better for them to commit actual felonies, then plead them down such as the shooter last night?  

[Patricio Swayze 17058]

Can the accused plead these down, or would it be better for them to commit actual felonies, then plead them down such as the shooter last night?  

I’m not a lawyer, so what I am about to suggest might be completely unrealistic…

If the felony is violent in nature and/or involves a gun, even if it gets plead down, they shouldn’t be allowed to buy any kind of gun or ammunition. Period. We all know that won’t stop someone who is hell bent on getting a gun, but the point is to make it as difficult as possible. People need to stop thinking that because there is not some magical solution that will reduce gun violence by even 50% and start working on ways to at least start chipping away at the problem.

I have ZERO issue with hunters (not the fish in a barrel wannabes) nor someone keeping certain firearms in their home for protection. I think open carry is stupid (I think you also think so).

But ultimately, we have a culture problem of violence.

[Brisketexan 105129]

12 minutes ago, Patricio Swayze said:

I’m not a lawyer, so what I am about to suggest might be completely unrealistic…

If the felony is violent in nature and/or involves a gun, even if it gets plead down, they shouldn’t be allowed to buy any kind of gun or ammunition. Period. 

Was that the law in 1791?  No?  Then forget it.  The SCOTUS and 5th Circuit have made it plain as day -- no restrictions  on gun ownership/possession that were not the law in 1791 can survive constitutional scrutiny.  They violate the 2nd amendment.  Don't ask me, I'm not "the sky is falling" -- ask the SCOTUS, the Northern District of Texas, and the 5th Circuit.  They have all applied that exact rule.

[fattyflattie 4639]

@Patricio Swayze my comment was tongue in cheek, and I apologize.  

It's unbelievably frustrating watching tragedies happen due to slips in cracks.  

 

[fattyflattie 4639]

2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Was that the law in 1791?  No?  Then forget it.  The SCOTUS and 5th Circuit have made it plain as day -- no restrictions  on gun ownership/possession that were not the law in 1791 can survive constitutional scrutiny.  They violate the 2nd amendment.  Don't ask me, I'm not "the sky is falling" -- ask the SCOTUS, the Northern District of Texas, and the 5th Circuit.  They have all applied that exact rule.

Care to opine on the current state of the legality of pistol braces?  When they became illegal, etc?  Bonus points if you think its a cause worth fighting for, while I'd posit we have some MUCH bigger fucking fish to fry. 

[Kennythetiger 9381]

11 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

An American (assuming here, I realize) shot up a college in Michigan with a gun he bought in America.  This just shows we gotta focus on the Mexican border.” 
 

Hell of hot take there. 

I’ll have to pos-rep you somewhere else to make up for giving you the finger. Wanted you to complete the rep collection- I don’t see that very often. 

[Dahobbs 17534]

2 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

Yes, I try to discuss reality and leave the dystopian fantasies clouded by emotion and tittyfits to others.  

Those laws are getting struck down literally as we type. This isn't a dystopian fantasy. It is literally happening. You've been provided multiple examples. And they are getting struck down because of a Justice Thomas' decision. You're just going to have to accept this. 

[Dahobbs 17534]

1 hour ago, Patricio Swayze said:

I’m not a lawyer, so what I am about to suggest might be completely unrealistic…

If the felony is violent in nature and/or involves a gun, even if it gets plead down, they shouldn’t be allowed to buy any kind of gun or ammunition. Period. 

This is not Constitutional anymore. Justice Thomas says so. 

Edited February 14, 2023 by Dahobbs

[HouTex 1867]

I thought felons can’t legally own or handle guns.  I know an old Enron guy who plead to a felony offense (though I thought the charge was BS) and he couldn’t even handle a gun.  When he took his son on hunting trips with other fathers he was careful to never touch the weapon.  He also can’t vote.  

[Brisketexan 105129]

I thought felons can’t legally own or handle guns.  I know an old Enron guy who plead to a felony offense (though I thought the charge was BS) and he couldn’t even handle a gun.  When he took his son on hunting trips with other fathers he was careful to never touch the weapon.  He also can’t vote.  

Revoking someone’s right to vote, we’re super cool with (wink, youknowwhatimean?). But canceling their sacred right to possess a gun?
Be ready for the challenge to that at the SCOTUS as well. The test plaintiff will absolutely be a white collar, white felon.

[Nivek 16928]

2 hours ago, Poe It Up said:

I’m a gun owner, show a little empathy towards me. 

I got a hammer.  In fact a bunch of them, different types.   Sledge, ball peen, claw tooth, rubber mallet, dead blow.  I reckon I have more hammers than guns.  Have 4 claw-tooths.   

[cactusflinthead 27598]

 

[Patricio Swayze 17058]

 

It won’t end. Because we don’t value life. We pretend to with the abortion bullshit. But we made this country this way because it’s what we want. We chose violence.

[mchookem 16334]

holy shit...TWO different people have now survived THREE separate mass shootings 😳 

i can't even really wrap my mind around that.

[HouTex 1867]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

Revoking someone’s right to vote, we’re super cool with (wink, youknowwhatimean?). But canceling their sacred right to possess a gun?
Be ready for the challenge to that at the SCOTUS as well. The test plaintiff will absolutely be a white collar, white felon.

So you agree that felons currently cannot own or handle a weapon.  Correct?

[Born to Run 6569]

holy shit...TWO different people have now survived THREE separate mass shootings  
i can't even really wrap my mind around that.

USA! USA!

[jdhorn92 1549]

9 minutes ago, mchookem said:

holy shit...TWO different people have now survived THREE separate mass shootings 😳 

i can't even really wrap my mind around that.

This is worded funny.  Do you mean 2 MSU survivors have now each survived 2 shootings?  One being MSU and each of them also survived one other shooting (Oxford and Sandy Hook)?  

Or, do you mean 2 people have survived 3 mass shootings? If so, what are the 3 they've each survived?

[mchookem 16334]

3 minutes ago, jdhorn92 said:

This is worded funny.  Do you mean 2 MSU survivors have now each survived 2 shootings?  One being MSU and each of them also survived one other shooting (Oxford and Sandy Hook)?  

Or, do you mean 2 people have survived 3 mass shootings? If so, what are the 3 they've each survived?

two people, three shootings total. incredible.

Edited February 15, 2023 by mchookem

[Brisketexan 105129]

So you agree that felons currently cannot own or handle a weapon.  Correct?

Correct. Just like a few weeks ago, 18 yr olds in Texas couldn’t obtain a handgun, and people with a domestic violence order couldn’t either. Now, both things have changed. Because the SCOTUS changed the law to make most conceivable regulations “unconstitutional,” because they didn’t exist in 1791.

[InkaUtexas 25931]

I cannot imagine it. 

Grew up in Central America. Worked in South America. Was in Bosnia and Afghanistan. 

Been hit more times, but we were always ready. This fucking sucks and we need to find a solution. Education facilities? Really? Weak ass dick fucks are these shooters. 

Not being a tough guy. I don't carry, guard my house with a shotgun.

I am so glad my kids are grown up. I think about my teacher friends every day. 

 

[Nivek 16928]

32 minutes ago, HouTex said:

I thought felons can’t legally own or handle guns.  I know an old Enron guy who plead to a felony offense (though I thought the charge was BS) and he couldn’t even handle a gun.  When he took his son on hunting trips with other fathers he was careful to never touch the weapon.  He also can’t vote.  

They cannot own guns with self contained cartridges.  But black-powder (muzzle loaders) are not considered firearms so felons can still own these.

[royiv 9310]

3 minutes ago, Patricio Swayze said:

I have never felt the need (let alone desire) to own one. And if any of y’all follow the photo thread, I am the sketchiest hoods in the large cities of this country.

I honestly think part of it is men, mostly right wing men, think that compassion and empathy are character flaws. That they are weaknesses.

Well, that, and they're scared of people who look different than they do.

[Herbie Hancock 7347]

I have never felt the need (let alone desire) to own one. And if any of y’all follow the photo thread, I am the sketchiest hoods in the large cities of this country.

I honestly think part of it is men, mostly right wing men, think that compassion and empathy are character flaws. That they are weaknesses.

That’s cute. I live in the real world, and I won’t leave my home without my firearm. I envy your naïveté

[Patricio Swayze 17058]

That’s cute. I live in the real world, and I won’t leave my home without my firearm. I envy your naïveté

Lulz.

[Brisketexan 105129]

Lulz.

Seriously. If that’s serious, it’s fucking insane.

[hookemATL 11727]

I never leave the house without both of my guns

[YGIFS 19450]

8 minutes ago, Herbie Hancock said:

That’s cute. I live in the real world, and I won’t leave my home without my firearm. I envy your naïveté

Not trying to doxx you, but approximately where do you live and work?  

[hookemATL 11727]

1 minute ago, YGIFS said:

Not trying to doxx you, but approximately where do you live and work?  

At the corner of Pussy Lane and Chickenshit Circle. 

[Herbie Hancock 7347]

Seriously. If that’s serious, it’s fucking insane.

I am insane? Or it is insane that I’ve seen enough of society and it’s wonderful creatures that despite being mistaken for an NFL athlete or professional bodybuilder on a daily basis, I still feel the need and obligation to possess my firearm wherever legally permissible?

[mchookem 16334]

so apparently more than one MSU student was also at the Oxford HS shooting in 2021 😐

which i guess is not that surprising since it's still Michigan. and America 🇺🇸 

 

[burntorangebongos 10710]

14 minutes ago, Herbie Hancock said:

That’s cute. I live in the real world, and I won’t leave my home without my firearm. I envy your naïveté

low rent poor.

[Brisketexan 105129]

I am insane? Or it is insane that I’ve seen enough of society and it’s wonderful creatures that despite being mistaken for an NFL athlete or professional bodybuilder on a daily basis, I still feel the need and obligation to possess my firearm wherever legally permissible?

Yeah. You’re insane.
I’ve been around firearms my entire life. Grew up in a neighborhood that turned to shit before I left. Never felt the need to carry. I have a family to protect. Never felt the need to carry.
For one, because I know that statistically, I am doing 10x more to protect my family by putting them in modern, safe vehicles, than by carrying. In fact, I also know that by having a firearm readily accessible, I make a gun incident vastly more likely, and such incidents have a high rate of ending poorly.
People who carry all the time are - generally - bad at math.

[Dahobbs 17534]

6 minutes ago, Herbie Hancock said:

I am insane? Or it is insane that I’ve seen enough of society and it’s wonderful creatures that despite being mistaken for an NFL athlete or professional bodybuilder on a daily basis, I still feel the need and obligation to possess my firearm wherever legally permissible?

Yes, you're insane. 

[Herbie Hancock 7347]

I appreciate the tolerant discourse.