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It is crazy to me that there isn’t a single serious moderate candidate throwing their hat in the ring for the GOP nomination.

Why is that crazy? Presumably you have not been living under a rock and have seen where the GOP - certainly those who vote in primaries - has gone? What path to victory do you think exists for such a candidate?

The best play for someone in that position is let Trump take another L, let Biden take the blame for whatever bad shit happens in his second term while being able to accomplish nothing with divided Congress and a ultra right wing SCOTUS, and position themselves for 2028.
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Stop right there. This is exactly what CR was before the move. Do you not recall the thread which also restarted here? Hillary Clinton will never be President. When I first got to the shag i

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1 hour ago, Red Five said:

I don't know if Trump will show up to debates, but if Christie is really just going to serve as a kamikaze pilot against Trump, holy shit those would be must see tv.

All Trump has to say is “shut the fuck up fatass, you lined up to help me get elected twice and you’ll do it again after I mop the floor with you in Iowa” and that will be the end of it. 

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1 hour ago, tokamak said:

All Trump has to say is “shut the fuck up fatass, you lined up to help me get elected twice and you’ll do it again after I mop the floor with you in Iowa” and that will be the end of it. 

That's not actually a rebuttal against the comment that it would be "must-see TV." 

I don't think anyone actually thinks this is going to end any way other than Christie getting publicly flayed, but that's cool, too.

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2 hours ago, TexEx15 said:

If the GQP was smart they would nominate someone like this. But the GQP is not so they won’t.

Hurd would be an excellent general election candate. Lots of crossover appeal in general, especially with an electorate that's lukewarm on Biden.

For that reason he will be crushed in the primary. I imagine his motive is to try to tear down Trump and potentially position himself to say "I told you so, now get on board" for the 2028 cycle, or perhaps for a run for Governor in 2026 if Abbott moves on.

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6 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

Hurd would be an excellent general election candate. Lots of crossover appeal in general, especially with an electorate that's lukewarm on Biden.

For that reason he will be crushed in the primary. I imagine his motive is to try to tear down Trump and potentially position himself to say "I told you so, now get on board" for the 2028 cycle, or perhaps for a run for Governor in 2026 if Abbott moves on.

Yeah, he won't get ahead of DeSantis, but he'll get a little name recognition, might survive the primaries without Trump destroying him with MAGA (because Trump is too focused on DeSantis and/or Chris Christie and Nikki), and then hope Rs will start to come back down to earth for 2028 or 2032.  He's only 45, so time is on his side.

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Ya Perd with Hurd?  Will is smart as hell.  Not to mention pragmatic, centrist, honest, and ethical.  Which means he has no shot this cycle.  But yeah, would love to see him out there getting some experience again on the campaign trail and name recognition.  Because he would make a formidable candidate for Governor or LG in 2026 if something opens up.  

He was telling stories about HUMINT and first thing he learned in the field, the hard way, is before you even lock the door, you buckle in because you're harder to drag out.  Nobody asked a follow up question on that one.  And he mentioned all the dead drops he'd done over the years.  So I'm officially trademarking, "He's done more dead drops than Ivana Trump's staircase." 

It is absolutely a good thing, despite what some of you think of some of these folks, to have Will Hurd and Chris Christie in the primary season/debate stage.  A crowded field lends itself to Trump.  But people tuning in to see their demigod at least to feel more idiotic about their faith in him.  Sadly, there's gonna be some literal intra-party violence but as the lady cop said in Dumb & Dumber when Harry asks what if he got shot in the head, "That's a risk we were willing to take."   

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2 hours ago, YGIFS said:

Ya Perd with Hurd?  Will is smart as hell.  Not to mention pragmatic, centrist, honest, and ethical.  Which means he has no shot this cycle.  But yeah, would love to see him out there getting some experience again on the campaign trail and name recognition.  Because he would make a formidable candidate for Governor or LG in 2026 if something opens up.  

He was telling stories about HUMINT and first thing he learned in the field, the hard way, is before you even lock the door, you buckle in because you're harder to drag out.  Nobody asked a follow up question on that one.  And he mentioned all the dead drops he'd done over the years.  So I'm officially trademarking, "He's done more dead drops than Ivana Trump's staircase." 

It is absolutely a good thing, despite what some of you think of some of these folks, to have Will Hurd and Chris Christie in the primary season/debate stage.  A crowded field lends itself to Trump.  But people tuning in to see their demigod at least to feel more idiotic about their faith in him.  Sadly, there's gonna be some literal intra-party violence but as the lady cop said in Dumb & Dumber when Harry asks what if he got shot in the head, "That's a risk we were willing to take."   

Sadly? Watching all the GOP slapdicks get steamrolled by Trump will be fucking hilarious. Losing to an orange fucktard with the brains of a goddamn potato. 

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Vote Smart, a nonprofit, nonpartisan research organization that collects and distributes information on candidates for public office in the United States, "researched presidential and congressional candidates' public records to determine candidates' likely responses on certain key issues". According to its 2016 analysis, Hurd generally supports anti-abortion legislation, opposes an income tax increase, opposes federal spending that doesn't benefit the military or state security, and supports lowering taxes as a means of promoting economic growth, supports building the Keystone Pipeline, opposes the federal regulation of greenhouse gas emissions, opposes gun-control legislation, supports repealing the Affordable Care Act, and supports increased American intervention in Iraq and Syria beyond air support.

opposes gun-control legislation, wants to repeal affordable health care, believes in trickle down voodoo bullshit, and sucks the O&G industry dick. real winner there. 

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1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

Bit of a broad brush there Will.  Assuming that is from his website?

The text in my post just came from wikipedia, who was citing https://justfacts.votesmart.org profile on Hurd. Admittedly I didn't visit that site, and now that I  check some of that information, I see its somewhat of a mischaracterization or possibly outdated. While Hurd boasts he had an A rating from the NRA while in congress, he does support universal background checks which is better than most of of the GQP, so its not 100% accurate to say he opposes gun control legislation. 

But lets be honest, he has about as much of a chance of winning the GQP nomination as Dylan Mulvaney. We can painstakingly analyze his platform issue by issue, or just acknowledge that he's black. 

 

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There's always good money to be made by being Democrats' favorite GOP presidential candidate. That fact will earn him exponentially more media coverage than his infinitesimal polling numbers would otherwise warrant.

This guy has zero shot to ever be the GOP presidential nominee or hold statewide office in Texas and he knows it. He's raising his profile and bolstering his anti-Trump bona fides in hopes of one day being appointed CIA director (in a Democratic administration, naturally) or something along those lines.

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47 minutes ago, Blotto said:

The text in my post just came from wikipedia, who was citing https://justfacts.votesmart.org profile on Hurd. Admittedly I didn't visit that site, and now that I  check some of that information, I see its somewhat of a mischaracterization or possibly outdated. While Hurd boasts he had an A rating from the NRA while in congress, he does support universal background checks which is better than most of of the GQP, so its not 100% accurate to say he opposes gun control legislation. 

But lets be honest, he has about as much of a chance of winning the GQP nomination as Dylan Mulvaney. We can painstakingly analyze his platform issue by issue, or just acknowledge that he's black. 

 

His highest office he's held is the House of Representatives from 2015 to 2021. He's never been a fan of Trump. He's been willing to work across the aisle. He won all 3 of his elections by skin of the teeth margins. His successor has been censured by the Republican Party for not voting close enough to the party line (an indication of how divided that district is - I wish all districts were this divided, actually). 

He's also never been married, which will be raised on the campaign trail. 

If someone traditionally votes Democrat but is looking for a Republican candidate that espouses something akin to their views that's never going to happen. There will always be litmus test issues - especially in this day and age - that knocks them out of contention. Same thing in the other direction. I voted for a Democrat for president the last two elections not because I supported the Democrat, but because the Republican candidate was such a significant danger to democracy nothing else mattered. 

We can be dismissive of Will Hurd for being black running for the Republican nomination, but he has a number of other critical factors going against him that would still be the case if he were lily white. I'll also say that many racists love to show they're not racist by pointing to someone of another race who subscribes to their values entirely. I always think of it as analogous to Dave Chappelle's bit about if you see a gang coming towards you and they have one white person in it, that's the guy you have to be careful of, because there's no telling what he had to do to be a part of that gang. 

Anyway, he's not winning the nomination. The most I hope for is adding a voice to the cacophony who is using inclusive language rather than demagoguery - which will also eliminate him as much as being black will. At the least running might elevate his profile. But he's going to have to demonstrate he can earn some level of support with his message, and I simply don't think that's going to be the case. 

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11 minutes ago, tokamak said:

There's always good money to be made by being Democrats' favorite GOP presidential candidate. That fact will earn him exponentially more media coverage than his infinitesimal polling numbers would otherwise warrant.

This guy has zero shot to ever be the GOP presidential nominee or hold statewide office in Texas and he knows it. He's raising his profile and bolstering his anti-Trump bona fides in hopes of one day being appointed CIA director (in a Democratic administration, naturally) or something along those lines.

Or maybe he believes in his message and feels like it's important to add to the process. But yes, holding statewide office seems like a stretch unless/until Republicans start losing. I could still see him being named to a cabinet in a Republican administration, but the Republicans would have to nominate a candidate who could win a general election. Their best hope of that is the Democrats nominating a candidate who is even worse, at least in the eyes of enough voters. Which is always a possibility. 

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15 minutes ago, SL Xpress said:

His highest office he's held is the House of Representatives from 2015 to 2021. He's never been a fan of Trump. He's been willing to work across the aisle. He won all 3 of his elections by skin of the teeth margins. His successor has been censured by the Republican Party for not voting close enough to the party line (an indication of how divided that district is - I wish all districts were this divided, actually). 

He's also never been married, which will be raised on the campaign trail.

I've often wondered if it would be a good idea for every House district to be gerrymandered for maximum competitiveness. I'm sure there's some negative ramifications I'm not thinking of, but it's an interesting thought experiment.

According to Wikipedia, he got married last December.

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There's something to be said for someone who would rather quit than be a part of this era's Republican Party, but on the flip side, he quit instead of fighting to make his party better from the inside. 

So....fuck him. 

Honestly, I think some of y'all are looking for anything or anyone to make it "okay" for you to go back to voting Republican, which is your prerogative.  The party has sucked for decades, going back to bullshit trickle down economics, manufactured wars, Gingrich-era bullshit, tanking the economy under GWB, going full on racism against the first black POTUS, and now Trumpism.  The party is broken and there's no fixing it.  Will Hurd ain't going to fix it. 

Oppressing the LGBT population, disenfranchising minority voters, more tax cuts for the rich, no bodily autonomy for women, banning books.... NONE of that is going away.  That is the Republican Party. 

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17 minutes ago, tokamak said:

I've often wondered if it would be a good idea for every House district to be gerrymandered for maximum competitiveness. I'm sure there's some negative ramifications I'm not thinking of, but it's an interesting thought experiment.

According to Wikipedia, he got married last December.

From the sense of creating a more collaborative legislature, it would be ideal. You have more members of the HOR having to appeal to the middle rather than their base.

On the other hand, gerrymandered districts can also contribute to a representation of people who hold a minority status in some way. That's the biggest problem with drawing up districts that are as competitive as possible in the general election across the board. It has a huge potential of creating tyranny of the majority scenarios, with minorities (in whatever sense - doesn't have to be about race, although it often is) having little to no representation, and no realistic way of gaining any. 

I just know that the massive gerrymandering that has gone on since 1990, when the Republican party weaponized it as they gained control of state legislatures, has had a huge influence on the no compromise, confrontational politics we see being employed today. Of course, the dynamics engendered by discourse across social media does, too, and that would still exist. But at least we wouldn't be systemically rewarding the most extreme positions in both parties, which is what we're doing now. 

Thank you for the clarification on his marriage status. 

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14 minutes ago, Js1 said:

There's something to be said for someone who would rather quit than be a part of this era's Republican Party, but on the flip side, he quit instead of fighting to make his party better from the inside. 

So....fuck him. 

I mean...he's announced he's running for president. Obviously it's okay not to support him for whatever reason you choose, but to suggest he's quitting the Republican Party instead of trying to make it better from the inside seems completely counterintuitive to me. 

BTW, his successor at his former congressional district was recently censored by the state Republican Party. There aren't many paths where one can realistically "fight to make the party better from the inside." Running for president isn't realistic, either, but it creates a bigger platform than almost anything else would. 

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The national debt went up way more than $3T under Trump, didn't it?

The 3 Trillion was the giveaways to millionaires in the Tax and Jobs Act long before Covid's botched Trump response to the pandemic.  Funny thing about the jobs part (which no Republican knows despite the facts) is that the Trump economy SUBTRACTED ~ 500,000 jobs a year, compared to the vibrant Obama/Biden economy Trump inherited. 

So for Trumpers... That PLUS 3,000,000,000 to the debt, and MINUS just under 1,500,000 fewer jobs than Obama, BEFORE covid.  Great deal for billionaires and millionaires, at only the cost of $2000 per job lost... "best economy ever!"  

Don't worry, Republicans do math the same way they do Truth, dishonestly.

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On 6/23/2023 at 11:42 AM, SL Xpress said:

huge influence on the no compromise, confrontational politics

Gerrymandering let's them get away with it. The motivation is and was the refusal of the GOP base to consider any compromise on anything. Pick a problem; guns, drugs, LGBTQ, wages, fixing Social Security. None of them are willing to do anything that can be considered a compromise with those that have been proclaimed to be communist, socialist, or the devil himself.

Look at the recent shutdown. Hell, look at the past ones too. Every one of them boiled down to a stark refusal to compromise. It was give us what we want or we shoot the hostage.

Will Hurd ain't getting a dime from me. 

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Gerrymandering let's them get away with it. The motivation is and was the refusal of the GOP base to consider any compromise on anything. Pick a problem; guns, drugs, LGBTQ, wages, fixing Social Security. None of them are willing to do anything that can be considered a compromise with those that have been proclaimed to be communist, socialist, or the devil himself.

Look at the recent shutdown. Hell, look at the past ones too. Every one of them boiled down to a stark refusal to compromise. It was give us what we want or we shoot the hostage.

Will Hurd ain't getting a dime from me. 

To be fair, he's not getting a dime from the vast majority of people on this forum. It's dominated by people with progressive views. It's as much of an echo chamber here as any forum with conservative leanings. And both sides are guilty of the same kind of demagoguery and demonization of the other side. 

That said, I do feel like IF it's important to determine "well, he/she started it!" I would say the conservative side is guilty. But one of the things that can be the most dangerous to a representative government, IMO, is when one side creates a monopoly on power. To me, the strength of a representative government is to give both sides the chance to fuck things up. Because they will. But at least if they're both getting an opportunity to do so, there's not the disenfranchisement that exists in repressive systems.

FDR was brilliant in creating his New Deal coalition. So brilliant it ruled the legislative body for 60 years. When Newt Gingrich made it to Washington D.C. in 1979 as the first Republican representative from his congressional district ever, he looked around at the bipartisan spirit Congress embodied back then and said hogwash. When the Reagan coattails brought in even more freshmen Republicans, he gathered an assortment of like minded party members who chose a much more confrontational style of representation. Unfortunately, this resulted in 1994 in the Republican takeover of the house, and it's been going back and forth ever since. But the same style generated over decades of not being in power, exacerbated by successful gerrymandering campaigns and the echo chamber inducing mechanics of social media (Edit - the impact of the partisan and highly successful Fox News cannot be exaggerated, either), has resulted in the destructive polarizations we see today. 

Most legislative outcomes are the result of prisoners dilemmas to one degree or another. Unfortunately, through a variety of circumstances, the Republican party has been rewarded over and over for being more willing to send the United States over a cliff in various ways. But there's certainly a mirroring aspect that goes on, too. Regardless of who started it, there are huge swaths of progressive groups who characterize anyone not of their tribe as an existential threat. 

(I just want to say that the whole idea of approving a debt ceiling is ridiculous to me - Congress has the power to pass whatever budget they want. If they don't want to raise the debt ceiling, don't pass a budget that will require that. Lifting the debt ceiling to me should be part and parcel with passing a budget that extends beyond it in the first place. Instead we play this incredibly destructive and artificially induced game of chicken every few years.)

I remember when I had a bunch of communist and socialist friends back in the 80s and 90s, and they'd lament the lack of difference in the two main parties, along with the absence of a legitimate third party. And that was certainly fair. We still see the same lamentations, especially among the most progressive who feel like we haven't even approached going far enough in a complete reworking of an inequitable and unsustainable economic system. 

One of the problems I see it is that you can't have a country with world hegemony making radical shifts in how they view the world from one administration to another and still maintain that hegemony. Maybe the price isn't worth it any more. Maybe the world and the people of this country would be better off if we threw in the towel, and chose a more isolated expression of our values, whatever those end up being. I don't believe that, but the course we're on is going to make that choice for us, and then we'll get to find out. 

In any case Will Hurd preaches a form of inclusiveness, whatever that ends up looking like. He has a respect for science, that many Republicans proudly discard and use their love of ignorance as a litmus test for whether you're one of them or not. He has an outlook on foreign affairs (and an expertise in doing so) that in many ways dovetails with mine. It's honestly difficult for me to find any Republican I actually like, but the Democratic field doesn't exactly have me doing cartwheels, either. The only reason I voted for Clinton and Biden is because the alternative was so destructive and odious I refused to do so. I'll likely vote for Biden because I'll still believe the Republican nominee is more dangerous for the future of democracy than the Democratic candidate unless the Republican party shocks me. 

There's a great line in the movie Cocktail Party that I constantly use. "The party wouldn't end unless it ends badly." I thought maybe 2008 would represent the end of the party, but the central banks got together and printed out money like nobody's business, propped up zombie banks with underlying negative asset classes that were never realistically valued as such, and everyone pretended on some level everything was hunky dory until we sprinkled enough magic fairy dust that it was. 

So whatever is going to change the course we're on with enough pain and misery, death, suffering, and starvation, hasn't happened, yet. We still have whatever Titan-esque implosion we have coming to us in our future. My hope is that I somehow shuffle off this mortal coil before that happens. I mean, I hope it doesn't happen at all, but history shows that the kind of demonization we're creating amongst ourselves only has one result. A whole lot of repression and/or mass executions. We managed to avoid it on some level in the 30s, although the people who died in WWII might disagree. 

But representative government is way more fragile than the average person wants to realize. No one has tried to build a multi cultural, multi racial society like the United States in world history. Those who have even come close didn't exist long term based on a sharing of a power. They existed by one group dominating the others, whether as a majority or a minority. 

In any case, anyone who represents someone who is willing to even look towards the middle as either a Republican or Democrat gets some kind of token support from me. Because otherwise we're heading off the cliff. It's only to be determined which side will be doing the pushing, and which side will be doing the falling. 

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echo chamber here as any forum with conservative

Stop right there. This is exactly what CR was before the move. Do you not recall the thread which also restarted here?

Hillary Clinton will never be President.

When I first got to the shag it was mostly conservative in CR. Some of the voices that are hollering about the R party now were ones then. It's only become more liberal because A) they changed their opinion of the GOP or B) don't care to defend themselves or their positions. 

If it has become more liberal around here it's the same reason suburbs have. The GOP has lost their goddamn minds.

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Stop right there. This is exactly what CR was before the move. Do you not recall the thread which also restarted here?

Hillary Clinton will never be President.

When I first got to the shag it was mostly conservative in CR. Some of the voices that are hollering about the R party now were ones then. It's only become more liberal because A) they changed their opinion of the GOP or B) don't care to defend themselves or their positions. 

If it has become more liberal around here it's the same reason suburbs have. The GOP has lost their goddamn minds.

This.  I remember my first foray into the CR back in probably 2014 and I led with a Paul Krugman quote.  Ho boy, the beating I received for that.

I have always been pretty left-center to left and I was definitely in the minority back then on this board.  Since then, the R party has jerked wildly to the right and a bunch of the previously "conservative" posters here said fuck that.

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Stop right there. This is exactly what CR was before the move. Do you not recall the thread which also restarted here?

Hillary Clinton will never be President.

When I first got to the shag it was mostly conservative in CR. Some of the voices that are hollering about the R party now were ones then. It's only become more liberal because A) they changed their opinion of the GOP or B) don't care to defend themselves or their positions. 

If it has become more liberal around here it's the same reason suburbs have. The GOP has lost their goddamn minds.

I didn't ever venture to cloak room until late last year. 

It takes a while for any of us to recognize names and associate them with specific opinions. Of course I recognize a lot of the handles from reading their posts on the sports boards, but it's not the same. Usually they have to be pretty extreme or else voluminous with their positions to even make an impression. 

I'm just going by what I'm seeing here now. I don't see what I consider reasonable conservative views being espoused very much, and when they are, they're generally buttfucked. I'm not criticizing that. Maybe conservative views should be dismissed outright for legitimate reasons. Certainly I don't pass many of the litmus tests that tribe sets out. Or, I could very well be wrong. I absolutely don't have enough information to make an informed judgement, as you're making clear. So all I have is my uninformed one. But in my uninformed opinion, the cloak room has an echo chamber feel to me. I would imagine people who share similar political views to mine would agree, even if you would not. 

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Stop right there. This is exactly what CR was before the move. Do you not recall the thread which also restarted here?

Hillary Clinton will never be President.

When I first got to the shag it was mostly conservative in CR. Some of the voices that are hollering about the R party now were ones then. It's only become more liberal because A) they changed their opinion of the GOP or B) don't care to defend themselves or their positions. 

If it has become more liberal around here it's the same reason suburbs have. The GOP has lost their goddamn minds.

Yeah, the educated suburban demo, which is a big chunk of this board, evolved nationally as the GOP got more extremely and insular. That’s way the CR has changed. To act like it was a liberal echo chamber during the Obama years is quite funny 

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There's always good money to be made by being Democrats' favorite GOP presidential candidate. That fact will earn him exponentially more media coverage than his infinitesimal polling numbers would otherwise warrant.

This guy has zero shot to ever be the GOP presidential nominee or hold statewide office in Texas and he knows it. He's raising his profile and bolstering his anti-Trump bona fides in hopes of one day being appointed CIA director (in a Democratic administration, naturally) or something along those lines.

It's an audition for one of CNN's 500 "token" conservative spots.

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There's something to be said for someone who would rather quit than be a part of this era's Republican Party, but on the flip side, he quit instead of fighting to make his party better from the inside. 

So....fuck him. 

Honestly, I think some of y'all are looking for anything or anyone to make it "okay" for you to go back to voting Republican, which is your prerogative.  The party has sucked for decades, going back to bullshit trickle down economics, manufactured wars, Gingrich-era bullshit, tanking the economy under GWB, going full on racism against the first black POTUS, and now Trumpism.  The party is broken and there's no fixing it.  Will Hurd ain't going to fix it. 

Oppressing the LGBT population, disenfranchising minority voters, more tax cuts for the rich, no bodily autonomy for women, banning books.... NONE of that is going away.  That is the Republican Party. 

Let's not forget that he voted against impeaching Trump. That's a huge goddamn red flag.

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quite funny 

It pisses me off. I refuse to let anyone retcon the bullshit. I remember getting called 'brave little soldier' for standing up for my hot sports opinions. I refuse to forget that. Echo chamber my ass. The only reason it echoes in here is because the other side of the aisle abandoned the chamber.

 

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It pisses me off. I refuse to let anyone retcon the bullshit. I remember getting called 'brave little soldier' for standing up for my hot sports opinions. I refuse to forget that. Echo chamber my ass. The only reason it echoes in here is because the other side of the aisle abandoned the chamber.

 

People forget some of the more vocal and prolific posters were Tahoe, Swam, immortal, etc. 

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4 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

Escriva, clear lake, sack, and let's not leave out rockp

Yep.  The loudest and most prominent posters during that era were not part of any liberal echo chamber and would probably have a heart attack clutching their pearls at being lumped in with that. 

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I still think it's extremely funny that someone stole Swam's name on the switch to Surly and I think he got so mad about it he just bailed?  IIRC Swam did actually create a different name here and posted for a bit but disappeared pretty quickly. I could be wrong, but I've never gotten the sense he's one of the DT posters here under a new name.

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1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

I still think it's extremely funny that someone stole Swam's name on the switch to Surly and I think he got so mad about it he just bailed?  IIRC Swam did actually create a different name here and posted for a bit but disappeared pretty quickly. I could be wrong, but I've never gotten the sense he's one of the DT posters here under a new name.

Agreed. @Incredulityhas the same posting style, but less of the intellect. Which is saying something. 

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