Why won't Nikki Haley be the first female POTUS?

[Doc Sam Beckett 5792]

31 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

There are three people who could viably take the GOP nomination away from Trump if he is officially declared unable to appear on the ballot, or dies.  

Stopped reading right here. I don't know who the other two are, but one is obviously Frank Stallone, and he would have my vote 

[YGIFS 19450]

1 minute ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

Stopped reading right here. I don't know who the other two are, but one is obviously Frank Stallone, and he would have my vote 

If you think about it, Frank would obviously carry Pennsylvania.  Plus he's younger than Biden and Trump.  And like a foot taller, a better dancer, and much more fun to be with...

[aggie08 21496]

1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

It is also very possible Trump and his base would intentionally sabotage Nikki’s general election candidacy

Bruh, MAGA would be more likely to vote Biden to spite the party that stole the GOP nomination from Lord Trump than vote for some uppity bitch.

A non Trump-endorsed MAGA candidate has absolutely zero shot at president this late in the game. Saving Trump is the GOP's entire policy platform right now.

[Snake Diggity 4621]

1 hour ago, YGIFS said:

There are three people who could viably take the GOP nomination away from Trump if he is officially declared unable to appear on the ballot, or dies.  Now, how they sort themselves out with the 25mm MAGA base that is Trump-only, I dunno yet.  I'm not that smart.  

Haley is taking the direct tack.  She is in to outlast him through the primaries and convention.  And sadly her fate is totally binary.  She's either the first female GOP nominee or dead by his hand.  Kinda sucks, but also kinda admirable.  But she is summoning more and more support behind the scenes that I could have possibly realized.  We'll know more in one month's time obviously.

I am starting to firmly believe more and more that there are two others who are remaining in one case-dead silent.  And in one case-overly ball sucking to MAGA nation.  The quiet one may very well decide to jump in at the last moment when Trump is ineligible or dead, and he'll win the general election.  Glenn Youngkin.  The one who has been busy sucking Trump's taint without Trump even noticing is Greg Abbott.  Abbott thinks that by embracing MAGA nation, that if Trump can't run, he can slide in at the last minute.  They're both quietly counting on Trump not being around on the ballot in November.  Youngkin's only reservation is he can still win this thing down the road someday in 2028/2032, Abbott is nearly done for overall.  

But Haley has very discretely marshaled resources in the last few weeks that I didn't think possible.  and she's showing more fight than I thought possible.  

I’ve kinda figured for the last few years that Rubio was the one laying back in the cut waiting for Trumps time to end.

[YGIFS 19450]

Rubio still has time to run down the road.  he's only 52 and it's a young 52.  He and Youngkin are much more strategic than most people realize.  They can wait another 8-12 years with no problem and be vigorous enough to run and stay in power for a long while.  Both are intentionally not upsetting MAGA nation while also hoarding resources.  Youngkin already has a shitpile of cash.  Rubio is going to gather more by currying favor with overseas allies and the defense complex.  Youngkin may jump in sooner than later because of his age and is a little ragged for his age.  Rubio can wait this out for a long while though.  But make no mistake, despite the narrative than every single Republican is an outright moron, both these guys are smart as fuck and know precisely what their playbook is.  Abbott is just grasping at straws at this point because he thought a SCOTUS appointment or Cabinet position was within his grasp and is literally mentally damaged by how little attention Trump and the RNC are paying to him.  He overplayed his hand and fucking hates the world for it.  

Haley remains an enigma.  One week, she's a complete and total fuckup.  The next week, she's full of piss and vinegar and ready to bury Trump.  Who knows what tomorrow will bring? 

[ChiTownDoc 21151]

1 hour ago, YGIFS said:

There are three people who could viably take the GOP nomination away from Trump if he is officially declared unable to appear on the ballot, or dies.  Now, how they sort themselves out with the 25mm MAGA base that is Trump-only, I dunno yet.  I'm not that smart.  

Haley is taking the direct tack.  She is in to outlast him through the primaries and convention.  And sadly her fate is totally binary.  She's either the first female GOP nominee or dead by his hand.  Kinda sucks, but also kinda admirable.  But she is summoning more and more support behind the scenes that I could have possibly realized.  We'll know more in one month's time obviously.

I am starting to firmly believe more and more that there are two others who are remaining in one case-dead silent.  And in one case-overly ball sucking to MAGA nation.  The quiet one may very well decide to jump in at the last moment when Trump is ineligible or dead, and he'll win the general election.  Glenn Youngkin.  The one who has been busy sucking Trump's taint without Trump even noticing is Greg Abbott.  Abbott thinks that by embracing MAGA nation, that if Trump can't run, he can slide in at the last minute.  They're both quietly counting on Trump not being around on the ballot in November.  Youngkin's only reservation is he can still win this thing down the road someday in 2028/2032, Abbott is nearly done for overall.  

But Haley has very discretely marshaled resources in the last few weeks that I didn't think possible.  and she's showing more fight than I thought possible.  

No way Abbott runs.  

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1 hour ago, YGIFS said:

The quiet one may very well decide to jump in at the last moment when Trump is ineligible or dead, and he'll win the general election.  Glenn Youngkin.  The one who has been busy sucking Trump's taint without Trump even noticing is Greg Abbott.  Abbott thinks that by embracing MAGA nation, that if Trump can't run, he can slide in at the last minute.  They're both quietly counting on Trump not being around on the ballot in November.  Youngkin's only reservation is he can still win this thing down the road someday in 2028/2032, Abbott is nearly done for overall.  

But Haley has very discretely marshaled resources in the last few weeks that I didn't think possible.  and she's showing more fight than I thought possible.  

Youngkin doesn’t have the name recognition.  Greg has no charisma, is a one-trick pony who will get wrecked for his actions taken during COVID (he backtracked too late - it was over when Allen West and other a republicans protested in front of his mansion) and he will be mocked for various comments. But mainly, he has no charisma.  Less than DeSanctimonious even.

I think the Nevertrumpers have coalesced around her, and yeah, she’s been marshaling resources and people. Trump’s staff probably knows this.

[YGIFS 19450]

Youngkin doesn't have the name recognition yet, but will in another cycle or two.  He knows what he's doing.  His only real drawback is alienating parents over some primary school education bullshit.  Otherwise, he's tow'd a pretty good line overall.  

Greg had charisma.  But about the same time he lost his moral compass, he lost his personality as well.  I really don't know what the fuck happened to him a couple years ago.  Not to sound like an insensitive bastard (I am), because I have a disabled sibling.  But politics aside, maybe he just got angry with this physical situation and took it out on people.  I dunno.  This'll sound wildly unpopular on here, but he was a genuinely good dude to hang out with years ago.  I don't know what the fuck happened besides Huffhines, but he's just off his fucking rocker now and hates everything and everybody and can't shout it loud enough.  

Anyway, all due respect to you Democrats.  But this next 30 days between Haley and Trump is going to be the most significant timeframe in American politics in quite awhile.  Tip of the hat to Joe, but it's insane that she may well pull ahead if something goes even more sideways with Trump or be killed by some lunatic cultist of his.  That's not Lobo-hyperbole.  That's just where we find ourselves.  

[Js1 85311]

4 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

But this next 30 days between Haley and Trump is going to be the most significant timeframe in American politics in quite awhile

She will drop out and endorse Trump. Bc she’s spineless. 

Edited February 5 by Js1

[Goredho 17399]

This thread has taken a fan fic turn.

[Js1 85311]

3 minutes ago, Goredho said:

This thread has taken a fan fic turn.

Our good friend Lobo can’t help himself, he’s ready to jump back on the GOP train once someone not Trump comes along, as if that’s going to somehow fix the traitorous party of ignorant morons that’s been festering since before Trump

[YGIFS 19450]

I am doing my level best to destroy these people you do you.

 I’m an even dumber version of Nicky in “casino” when he threatens the banker dude.  I do whatever it takes to ruin Trump.  And after that, It’s on to the next guy and the guy after that.  And I’ll just keep going because I don’t know any fucking better.  
 

i vote for Democrats, Libertarians, and even Republicans.  In the end; this guy has to die because there’s no other way out for us. B

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1 hour ago, YGIFS said:

I don't know what the fuck happened besides Huffhines, but he's just off his fucking rocker now and hates everything and everybody and can't shout it loud enough.  

Maybe he realizes that his political career has hit its ceiling. Shit, even cock-eyed Paxton gets more love from Trump than Greg does.

[tchookem 3900]

No way Abbott runs.  

Maybe forty years ago, but not any more.

[YGIFS 19450]

Too soon.  

[DDD Dad 14332]

13 hours ago, YGIFS said:

There are three people who could viably take the GOP nomination away from Trump if he is officially declared unable to appear on the ballot, or dies.  Now, how they sort themselves out with the 25mm MAGA base that is Trump-only, I dunno yet.  I'm not that smart.  

Haley is taking the direct tack.  She is in to outlast him through the primaries and convention.  And sadly her fate is totally binary.  She's either the first female GOP nominee or dead by his hand.  Kinda sucks, but also kinda admirable.  But she is summoning more and more support behind the scenes that I could have possibly realized.  We'll know more in one month's time obviously.

I am starting to firmly believe more and more that there are two others who are remaining in one case-dead silent.  And in one case-overly ball sucking to MAGA nation.  The quiet one may very well decide to jump in at the last moment when Trump is ineligible or dead, and he'll win the general election.  Glenn Youngkin.  The one who has been busy sucking Trump's taint without Trump even noticing is Greg Abbott.  Abbott thinks that by embracing MAGA nation, that if Trump can't run, he can slide in at the last minute.  They're both quietly counting on Trump not being around on the ballot in November.  Youngkin's only reservation is he can still win this thing down the road someday in 2028/2032, Abbott is nearly done for overall.  

But Haley has very discretely marshaled resources in the last few weeks that I didn't think possible.  and she's showing more fight than I thought possible.  

Discreetly. 

[YGIFS 19450]

Or in the case of Trump, 'Defecatively' 

[High Plains Drifter 11035]

15 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Do y'all have any idea how many Trumpers would NEVER vote for a woman, much less a woman of color anybody but DOtarD?  She's not gonna bring in many sideliners who wouldn't vote for Trump.

 

 

fixy.

 

doTArd would be screaming about rigged elections and his acolytes would either write him in, or not vote. 

 

edit: I see our resident aggy has already made this point. DOH!

Edited February 5 by High Plains Drifter

[Macanudo 12976]

14 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Again, there is a large faction of those who voted for Trump in 2020 that will never, ever vote for a woman, and especially a woman of color.  It.  Will.  Not.  Happen.  

 

I disagree.   I think someone like Kristi Noem would galvanize those people. 

[jimmyjazz 45898]

You think Kristi Noem would get 74M votes in the general election?

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24 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

You think Kristi Noem would get 74M votes in the general election?

She’s not going to drive 81 million to vote for Biden like Trump did.  

[Gatorubet 30211]

5 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

She’s not going to drive 81 million to vote for Biden like Trump did.  

She supports everything driving dem votes except the won’t-leave-office thing.   

[Macanudo 12976]

3 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

You think Kristi Noem would get 74M votes in the general election?

No but I think they would support her as VP.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Appropriate 

[Underdog 28611]

America… what a country. 

[hornmpa96 2618]

[South Austin 52463]

I mean, I get the political statement of voting "none of the above."  But what kind of outcome do you hope to affect with that?  I understand just staying home and abstaining, which a large number of our qualified electorate do every presidential election.  But if you're one of those folks who actually gets off your ass and makes the effort to vote, it's likely because you believe your vote will contribute to the outcome of the election, and not voting for one of the candidates -- no matter how frustrated you are with the selections that both parties have offered -- does no fucking good in my opinion.

[Js1 85311]

Hilarious way to troll her thouh - we don't want you even when you're the only real option on the ballot.  But don't worry, everyone is *so certain* she'd 100% beat Biden, but Republicans don't even want her.  None of the above DOUBLED her vote total. 

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20 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Hilarious way to troll her thouh - we don't want you even when you're the only real option on the ballot.  But don't worry, everyone is *so certain* she'd 100% beat Biden, but Republicans don't even want her.  None of the above DOUBLED her vote total. 

Trump doubled her vote total.  Sure, it was spelled “none of the above” but it was Trump.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

24 minutes ago, Js1 said:

everyone is *so certain* she'd 100% beat Biden,

Do you honestly believe the Biden campaign would prefer to run against Nikki Haley over Donald Trump?  Because I do not.  

I’m not certain Haley could win but she’d make the race more interesting.  Sadly, these presidential races basically come down to who can run the most effective marketing strategy within six weeks of the general election.  Over the last 15 years I’ve seen a black man named Hussein and a imbecilic racist unregistered sex offender become president.  Anything is possible. 
 

For the record, Haley sucks on multiple levels but a Trump/Haley ticket would be tragically formidable.

[Js1 85311]

Lol no it wouldn’t 

[jimmyjazz 45898]

7 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Do you honestly believe the Biden campaign would prefer to run against Nikki Haley over Donald Trump?

Uh, yeah?

[Blotto 23497]

22 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Do you honestly believe the Biden campaign would prefer to run against Nikki Haley over Donald Trump?  Because I do not.  

I’m not certain Haley could win but she’d make the race more interesting.  Sadly, these presidential races basically come down to who can run the most effective marketing strategy within six weeks of the general election.  Over the last 15 years I’ve seen a black man named Hussein and a imbecilic racist unregistered sex offender become president.  Anything is possible. 
 

For the record, Haley sucks on multiple levels but a Trump/Haley ticket would be tragically formidable.

I agree that Haley would have a pretty good shot at taking down Biden as a presidential candidate, I'd probably make her the favorite. But adding Haley to a Trump ticket does absolutely nothing, as Trump is toxic as fuck and will drive massive dem voter turnout. "No Trump" means a lot of people that voted Biden last time around will stay home, or might even consider voting for someone that isnt 126 years old. 

Edited February 7 by Blotto

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13 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Uh, yeah?

She’d run circles around Biden in a debate though and she’d get in all of her talking points.

[aggie08 21496]

A agree that Haley would have a shot if she started her campaign in earnest in 2022, before Trump announced. Make a little headway with the base and the power players in the GOP. But it's too late now. The GOP has bent over backwards to appease Donald and throw meat at his MAGA base. A nominee not named Trump would be akin to treason in those circles. They'd flip their shit, and they far outnumber right-leaning never Trumpers who would love to vote for Haley over Biden. She'd have no chance.

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4 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

A agree that Haley would have a shot if she started her campaign in earnest in 2022, before Trump announced. Make a little headway with the base and the power players in the GOP. But it's too late now. The GOP has bent over backwards to appease Donald and throw meat at his MAGA base. A nominee not named Trump would be akin to treason in those circles. They'd flip their shit, and they far outnumber right-leaning never Trumpers who would love to vote for Haley over Biden. She'd have no chance.

Keep in mind that we have an extremely strong pattern over the last 30 years of the second-place (or third) finishers in primaries getting the nomination in the subsequent election, so I think Haley is running for 2028. Trump will lose this year, and in 2028 she’ll make her case as the standard bearer.

[Pig Bellmont 8712]

20 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

She’d run circles around Biden in a debate though and she’d get in all of her talking points.

I haven’t seen anyone run circles around Biden in a debate. I don’t care how old he is, he performs well at those 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

4 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

She’d run circles around Biden in a debate though and she’d get in all of her talking points.

 

7 minutes ago, Blotto said:

I agree that Haley would have a pretty good shot at taking down Biden as a presidential candidate, I'd probably make her the favorite. But adding Haley to a Trump ticket does absolutely nothing, as Trump is toxic as fuck and will drive massive dem voter turnout. "No Trump" means a lot of people that voted Biden last time around will stay home, or might even consider voting for someone that isnt 126 years old. 

I agree with these with the exception that Haley adds nothing to the ticket.  She probably wouldn’t add enough to change the outcome of the election for the reasons given so it’s a moot point (no one votes for Vice President), but if it came down to a Trump/Haley versus a Trump/Stefanik or Trump/Micheal Flynn or Trump/Ivanka ticket… pretty clear here who the best choice would be.

 Point is Haley has enough establishment street cred and campaign chops to give Trump’s campaign more perceptible/marketable legitimacy than the alternatives.  She’s already kinda selling herself as the last adult in the room within the party. Will it happen? Probably not because Trump is a petty self-destructive moron but it’s fun to hypothesize. 

[BamaATL 16593]

52 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

She’d run circles around Biden in a debate though and she’d get in all of her talking points.

Yeah, cause the lady who made national headlines about slavery and the civil war is just so good at thinking on her feet.  She's a clown, just like the rest of the Republican field, destined to be a footnote in Presidential election history, and likely never to be heard from again on the national stage.  

[Nice Guy Eddie 13510]

Haley could beat Biden, if she had Trump backing her. If Haley somehow pulled out a victory over Trump or Trump was forced to step down, does anyone really think Trump will endorse Nikki or provide her with financial support?

In theory Nikki could beat Joe but only in a vacuum. 

[jimmyjazz 45898]

42 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

I haven’t seen anyone run circles around Biden in a debate. I don’t care how old he is, he performs well at those 

Agreed.  She makes all kinds of gaffes -- not the "old guy" pause/stutter/word salad -- but she tries to dance around issues and ends up with her foot in her mouth (Civil War causes, etc.).

[BamaATL 16593]

20 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Haley could beat Biden, if she had Trump backing her. If Haley somehow pulled out a victory over Trump or Trump was forced to step down, does anyone really think Trump will endorse Nikki or provide her with financial support?

In theory Nikki could beat Joe but only in a vacuum. 

If Haley wins the nomination for some strange reason, many of the Trumplicans won't show up to vote in November.  Sign me up, we win that general election somewhere around 80 million votes to at best 60 million.  I'll take that all day long.  

[tokamak 6411]

Saw my first Haley yard sign today. West U in Houston. Gonna be collectors' items soon.

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On 2/7/2024 at 10:36 AM, jimmyjazz said:

Agreed.  She makes all kinds of gaffes -- not the "old guy" pause/stutter/word salad -- but she tries to dance around issues and ends up with her foot in her mouth (Civil War causes, etc.).

Gaffes or messages targeted at her audiences?

Because the people who would be upset with her “gaffes” were never going to vote for her in the first place, but the the people who would agree with her “gaffes” are thinking “she thinks like one of us.”

[speed817 19256]

Just got this text.....

[Underdog 28611]

Rally = hookup? 

[aggie08 21496]

Your name is John-tuan?

[tokamak 6411]

Apparently her strategy to catch up to Trump is to be a wishy-washy empty suit on everything.

Wednesday: "hell yeah, frozen embryos are babies!"

Thursday: "well, uh, actually, uh, that doesn't mean I agree with the Alabama decision" (tokamak's editors note: the decision that embryos are, in fact, babies)

[GhostOfTomJoad 9324]

Her direct offensive attack on dotard lasted what, a week? Just long enough for her to look tough, but then she immediately floated pardoning Trump. She's as spineless as the rest of the GQP.

[Snake Diggity 4621]

I guess Haley’s sudden aggression is now just prep for 2028, hoping that Trump is dead and the GOP rallies against Trumpism after so much losing.  Doubtful it’ll pay off after she served in his administration.