What would it take for Rodney Terry to earn the job?

[HookEm 2467]

Now that the regular season is over, I'm wondering what most fans think Rodney Terry needs to do to earn their support for hiring him full-time. 

[Atticus 3973]

If he wins the title this year, then goes undefeated next year on a game-to-game contract, then we can grant him an audience.

[perfectchaos007 6635]

Elite 8 would make him the prime candidate for the job, but CDC should still be open to taking other applications. Final 4 or better should get him a guaranteed 3 year contract. 

[ChickenSandwich 9833]

Needs to win at least 3. Odds are against him ever assembling a team this talented again. If can’t do it with these guys, the future prospects are poor. 

[Pig Bellmont 8713]

14 minutes ago, perfectchaos007 said:

Elite 8 would make him the prime candidate for the job, but CDC should still be open to taking other applications. Final 4 or better should get him a guaranteed 3 year contract. 

I agree with this but I think a Final 4 would give him a 5 year contract with probably a lot longer tenure 

[Js1 85313]

17 minutes ago, perfectchaos007 said:

Elite 8 would make him the prime candidate for the job, but CDC should still be open to taking other applications. Final 4 or better should get him a guaranteed 3 year contract. 

This. Don’t agree he’s earned it yet. We don’t need yet another regular season warrior who can’t win NCAA games. If he can’t win 3+ tournament games with this roster, he won’t ever win in March here 

Edited March 13, 2023 by Js1

[YGIFS 19450]

22 minutes ago, perfectchaos007 said:

Elite 8 would make him the prime candidate for the job, but CDC should still be open to taking other applications. Final 4 or better should get him a guaranteed 3 year contract. 

 

5 minutes ago, Js1 said:

This. Don’t agree he’s earned it yet. We don’t need yet another regular season warrior who can’t win NCAA games. If he can’t win 3+ tournament games with this roster, he won’t ever win in March here 

These, stick the poll to the top of the forum but we don't need a 3rd thread about Terry as head coach/not as head coach.  Plus every in-game thread is gonna turn into a Terry debate on a possession-by-possession basis. 

He gets knocked out the first weekend, sorry Terry.  Thanks for everything you did keeping this season together for us, but with this seed/regional bracket...that's enough proof (given your previous track records as HC elsewhere) to part ways amicably.  We gets knocked out Sweet 16 or Elite 8, I won't like it-but he should at least be in the discussion of candidates.  He would still warrant being in the finalist/semifinalist pool of folks.  He gets to the Final Four/Title Game, you have to honor that and offer him a 3-year deal.  It's a weird spot to be in, but other coaches and agents are gonna remember that in a few years when we make yet another hire that Texas DIDN'T give Terry a head spot for a few years after such a run.  That just looks weird to the adults, nevermind the recruits.  

In three weeks time, I think we're all gonna be beating to death the cliche, "My God, what an awesome problem to have right now"  

[Jiggy-Z 3432]

He has already proven he can coach with a talented roster and staff without totally fucking it up, which apparently is more difficult than it would seem.

Some head scratching losses costs us the regular season title and a #1 seed, so there is that to consider.

Given a number 2 seed, I think the team's performance needs to exceed the expected  outcome of elite 8, so Final 4.  Even that type of performance would need to be qualified with style points and nothing goofy happening along the way to the #1 and #3 seeds in order for a final 4 appearance to make him a lock.

As others have said there are some similarities to the 1989 Michigan team  (so far) who lost their coach to Arizona St. right before the tournament.  Steve Fischer (who had no head coaching experience)was appointed interim head coach and lead a talented team to the championship.  After a couple of tough years, he landed the Fab 5 recruiting class and subsequently made the championship game twice before a slow decline and some scandals which ultimately led to his dismissal in 1997.  The two championship game appearances were later vacated, but nobody really cares about that.

I would definitely take a Michigan scenario if offered.

[tx 3 putt 76908]

UT isn’t a basketball school, it has little to no history. Get off the high horse and quit acting like this is a basketball school

he's earned the job 

[ChickenSandwich 9833]

40%- recruiting/roster build =?*

20% - Regular Season - A 

40% - NCAA Tournament - TBD

 

[Js1 85313]

1 minute ago, tx 3 putt said:

UT isn’t a basketball school, it has little to no history. Get off the high horse and quit acting like this is a basketball school

he's earned the job 

No he hasn't. 

He has to win in March.  Winning the conference tournament and losing to Colgate is just Shaka 2.0

[ChickenSandwich 9833]

7 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

UT isn’t a basketball school, it has little to no history. Get off the high horse and quit acting like this is a basketball school

he's earned the job 

Disagree

Texas has had plenty of success having good regular seasons, not winning the conference, getting a high seed etc. He held serve, could any of the other assistants do the same if given the same opportunity? (kids deserve so much credit)

who knows

Undefeated regular season means dick if you lose in the first weekend  

Tourney or bust. Go earn the job.  

Edited March 13, 2023 by ChickenSandwich

[formermav43 4606]

I’d argue that these are actually 2 slightly different questions you’re asking-“earning the job” vs. CDC “offering him the job.” One relates to his actual merits, the other is more about when the pressure becomes such that you can’t avoid hiring him *even if you feel he hasn’t earned it*. 

[hobbes2702 13032]

6 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

UT isn’t a basketball school, it has little to no history. Get off the high horse and quit acting like this is a basketball school

he's earned the job 

The regular season means fuck. If he can’t win in March with this roster then he can’t win in March.

[YGIFS 19450]

6 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

UT isn’t a basketball school, it has little to no history. Get off the high horse and quit acting like this is a basketball school

he's earned the job 

except that we spend money on basketball like a basketball school.  That shiny new arena (despite the 'gift' by Moody/Livenation), the money we want to throw around on NIL, season ticket growth curves, practice facility which is almost done, increased travel budgets for SEC country, and probably having to overhaul most of this staff without buyouts/signing bonuses.....that's Kentucky kinda money we're gonna need to make and spend.  That doesn't happen by a huge chunk of our fan base and TV partners saying, "Meh, I guess it's not a hoops school after all."  Another Wetlich or Smart and 1st weekend bounces, and shit's gonna cool a lot around here in the next few years and we're gonna be fucked financially. 

[TrashMaster G 17551]

44 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

Needs to win at least 3. Odds are against him ever assembling a team this talented again. If can’t do it with these guys, the future prospects are poor. 

I agree with this except change that 3 to 4.  The rest of the comment is spot on and really the crux of this entire argument.

[Loop 1604 227]

[Loop 1604 227]

24 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

UT isn’t a basketball school, it has little to no history. Get off the high horse and quit acting like this is a basketball school

he's earned the job 

[freyguy 4269]

The statement from another thread of "fucked in the head" is correct.

Have yall been watching a different Texas basketball team than I have?  We haven't really "won in March" since Barnes.

There are at least 5 other UT athletics programs that are consistently higher performers than the basketball team.  And it's nothing against the basketball program.  Every so often, it's been full of promise, but in the end we always come up short...no matter who has coached us.  And we are not going to be able to money-whip our way to a championship or even a dynasty...so unless any of yall are donating millions to the university, you need to get that expectation out of your heads.

Enjoy what we have.  We recently had a hot coach build up the team over this past year, we then found out that coach and his woman like to beat the fuck out of eachother.  We kicked that idiot to the curb, and his remaining assistants have led the team to a #2 seed in the tournament, which we 6 been that high since 2008.  And the team fucking loves him.  Everyone should happy.  And RT and the rest of the staff have more than earned the right to keep their jobs for next year.

[Loop 1604 227]

"The team loves him" 

"Player's coach" 

"Nice guy"

Getting Charlie Strong vibes again.

[HookEm 2467]

The problem is, you can't just give him the job for the next year. You have to give him a 5-year contract or it will hamstring our recruiting.  I think that is the central issue.  Of course we have more money than anyone, so even a big buyout shouldn't be a problem.

[JWinTX 53]

At a school that is as progressive as we are, I can't imagine Rodney Terry doesn't already have the job. CDC doesn't even want to face the backlash that the leadership at Belmont and the media frenzy will create if Terry doesn't get the job. Racism is just not something the university will accept--they will defer to the opposite, just to be sure it doesn't get hurled. If this was Tech or A&M, they'd not think one thing about it...but here, we wont.

[Loop 1604 227]

1 minute ago, JWinTX said:

At a school that is as progressive as we are, I can't imagine Rodney Terry doesn't already have the job. CDC doesn't even want to face the backlash that the leadership at Belmont and the media frenzy will create if Terry doesn't get the job. Racism is just not something the university will accept--they will defer to the opposite, just to be sure it doesn't get hurled. If this was Tech or A&M, they'd not think one thing about it...but here, we wont.

[David Dennison 18854]

Do people really think that if RT gets this team to the Sweet Sixteen and beats aggy in the process that he won't be back?

[formermav43 4606]

31 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Do people really think that if RT gets this team to the Sweet Sixteen and beats aggy in the process that he won't be back?

That's a different question.

[HookEm 2467]

12 minutes ago, formermav43 said:

That's a different question.

Correct.

The question is what it would take for YOU to support the hire.

[SL Xpress 7513]

1 hour ago, YGIFS said:

"...we're gonna be fucked financially."

No.

[Wally Pryor 5261]

Terry gets to the 2nd weekend, especially beating A&M along the way, and he's the new coach. Hartzell and Del Conte will have no choice. 

Terry may already be the (permanent) coach. Sweet 16 seals it. 

[Mr. Drummond 2198]

What is the alternative coach?

If it is just "fire Terry and find a new guy", then he probably has the job more or less baring a collapse this weekend.

Tell me who CDC has on his phone and i can make a better call.

[Pancho 44759]

2 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

UT isn’t a basketball school, it has little to no history. Get off the high horse and quit acting like this is a basketball school

he's earned the job 

None of this is true.

[ztejas 43419]

We definitely needed another shitty Rodney Terry thread. Good job OP. 

[HamsterHookah 112]

According to the poll we think:

Getting to the Sweet 16- ~60% think that's good enough.

Getting to Elite 8 - ~85% think that's good enough.

I think he will be our guy.

[Brothahorn 10087]

IMO, he has already earned it.

Now, whether it is the right move long term, we'll find out in 2-3 years.

[0xdeadbeef 1649]

 

If he get's out of the first round, I think he gets the job (as long as the 2nd round exit isn't a blow-out to A&M). 

 

A little refresher of our success:

 

Year	Seed	Round Reached	Coach
2022	6	Second Round	Chris Beard
2021	3	First Round	Shaka Smart
2020			Shaka Smart
2019			Shaka Smart
2018	10	First Round	Shaka Smart
2017			Shaka Smart
2016	6	First Round	Shaka Smart
2015	11	First Round	Rick Barnes
2014	7	Second Round	Rick Barnes
2013			Rick Barnes
2012	11	First Round	Rick Barnes
2011	4	Second Round	Rick Barnes
2010	8	First Round	Rick Barnes
2009	7	Second Round	Rick Barnes
2008	2	Elite Eight	Rick Barnes
2007	4	Second Round	Rick Barnes
2006	2	Elite Eight	Rick Barnes
2005	8	First Round	Rick Barnes
2004	3	Sweet 16	Rick Barnes
2003	1	Final Four	Rick Barnes
2002	6	Sweet 16	Rick Barnes
2001	6	First Round	Rick Barnes
2000	5	Second Round	Rick Barnes
1999	7	First Round	Rick Barnes
1998			Tom Penders
1997	10	Sweet 16	Tom Penders
1996	10	Second Round	Tom Penders
1995	11	Second Round	Tom Penders
1994	6	Second Round	Tom Penders
1993			Tom Penders
1992	8	First Round	Tom Penders
1991	5	Second Round	Tom Penders
1990	10	Elite Eight	Tom Penders
1989	11	Second Round	Tom Penders

 

 

Edited March 13, 2023 by 0xdeadbeef

[chemHORN 1239]

He'll get it and he'll get to play Beard twice a year after next season.  

[Js1 85313]

20 minutes ago, 0xdeadbeef said:

If he get's out of the first round, I think he gets the job (as long as the 2nd round exit isn't a blow-out to A&M). 

This team bowing out in round 2 is a failure. We’ve never had such an experienced team like this. They’re built for a deep run, not a one and done performance  

I don’t think people understand at all. A 2 seed losing in the second round is just further proof he can’t be the guy. It won’t get better. He shouldn’t even be considered 

Edited March 13, 2023 by Js1

[Pancho 44759]

18 minutes ago, 0xdeadbeef said:

 

If he get's out of the first round, I think he gets the job (as long as the 2nd round exit isn't a blow-out to A&M). 

What does A&M have to do with anything?

[YGIFS 19450]

54 minutes ago, Pancho said:

What does A&M have to do with anything?

That's exactly their brand man.  "We're A&M?  Why are we here, what do we have to do with anything?  We must insist upon ourselves.  They're the Dava Carvey as Adm. Stockdale of College Athletics.  

[GringoSalado 1651]

I am surprised by results so far. Didn't think anybody would give him the job for anything short of FF.

 

 

[HookEm 2467]

5 hours ago, ztejas said:

We definitely needed another shitty Rodney Terry thread. Good job OP. 

I would have added it to the other Rodney Terry thread if I could.

I think the poll adds a lot to the conversation and provides some novel and surprising information.  There are a few LOUD posters who are making it seem like only an idiot would support hiring RT regardless of what he does.  In fact there is a pretty clear bell curve around the Elite 8 being the bar that needs to be crossed, which seems pretty reasonable to me.

[Valmy77 13226]

If Terry wins the national title he gets a statue and we rename the Moody Center to the Terry Center. And he might get to stay on as Head Coach as well.

[dcar00 14181]

The problem with hiring Terry is you can't offer some type of 2 year contract.  You have to give him a 4 to 5 year contract and some type of competitive rate.  Is he really worth that given his coaching history?

sure he could end up being Steve Fisher(without the scandals) but probably unlikely.

I'd rather say we are going to go get the best coach we can regardless of what Terry does.  If he makes the Final 4 I'm sure he gets hired though.

[dcar00 14181]

4 hours ago, 0xdeadbeef said:

 

If he get's out of the first round, I think he gets the job (as long as the 2nd round exit isn't a blow-out to A&M). 

 

A little refresher of our success:

 

Year	Seed	Round Reached	Coach
2022	6	Second Round	Chris Beard
2021	3	First Round	Shaka Smart
2020			Shaka Smart
2019			Shaka Smart
2018	10	First Round	Shaka Smart
2017			Shaka Smart
2016	6	First Round	Shaka Smart
2015	11	First Round	Rick Barnes
2014	7	Second Round	Rick Barnes
2013			Rick Barnes
2012	11	First Round	Rick Barnes
2011	4	Second Round	Rick Barnes
2010	8	First Round	Rick Barnes
2009	7	Second Round	Rick Barnes
2008	2	Elite Eight	Rick Barnes
2007	4	Second Round	Rick Barnes
2006	2	Elite Eight	Rick Barnes
2005	8	First Round	Rick Barnes
2004	3	Sweet 16	Rick Barnes
2003	1	Final Four	Rick Barnes
2002	6	Sweet 16	Rick Barnes
2001	6	First Round	Rick Barnes
2000	5	Second Round	Rick Barnes
1999	7	First Round	Rick Barnes
1998			Tom Penders
1997	10	Sweet 16	Tom Penders
1996	10	Second Round	Tom Penders
1995	11	Second Round	Tom Penders
1994	6	Second Round	Tom Penders
1993			Tom Penders
1992	8	First Round	Tom Penders
1991	5	Second Round	Tom Penders
1990	10	Elite Eight	Tom Penders
1989	11	Second Round	Tom Penders

 

 

wow. smart missed the tournament as many times in 6 years as we had in the previous 23

[UTEE97 3518]

5 hours ago, 0xdeadbeef said:

 

If he get's out of the first round, I think he gets the job (as long as the 2nd round exit isn't a blow-out to A&M). 

 

A little refresher of our success:

 

Year	Seed	Round Reached	Coach
2022	6	Second Round	Chris Beard
2021	3	First Round	Shaka Smart
2020			Shaka Smart
2019			Shaka Smart
2018	10	First Round	Shaka Smart
2017			Shaka Smart
2016	6	First Round	Shaka Smart
2015	11	First Round	Rick Barnes
2014	7	Second Round	Rick Barnes
2013			Rick Barnes
2012	11	First Round	Rick Barnes
2011	4	Second Round	Rick Barnes
2010	8	First Round	Rick Barnes
2009	7	Second Round	Rick Barnes
2008	2	Elite Eight	Rick Barnes
2007	4	Second Round	Rick Barnes
2006	2	Elite Eight	Rick Barnes
2005	8	First Round	Rick Barnes
2004	3	Sweet 16	Rick Barnes
2003	1	Final Four	Rick Barnes
2002	6	Sweet 16	Rick Barnes
2001	6	First Round	Rick Barnes
2000	5	Second Round	Rick Barnes
1999	7	First Round	Rick Barnes
1998			Tom Penders
1997	10	Sweet 16	Tom Penders
1996	10	Second Round	Tom Penders
1995	11	Second Round	Tom Penders
1994	6	Second Round	Tom Penders
1993			Tom Penders
1992	8	First Round	Tom Penders
1991	5	Second Round	Tom Penders
1990	10	Elite Eight	Tom Penders
1989	11	Second Round	Tom Penders

 

 

It shows we made it to at least elite 8 when we were seeded #2 or better.

[Hornlover 8830]

7 hours ago, Loop 1604 said:

"The team loves him" 

"Player's coach" 

"Nice guy"

Getting Charlie Strong vibes again.

So I guess you're saying that Rodney Terry would make a great position coach, maybe a coordinator? 

[Ignatius 4017]

8 hours ago, Js1 said:

No he hasn't. 

He has to win in March.  Winning the conference tournament and losing to Colgate is just Shaka 2.0

Having a better tournament record than ShakaFraud is a pretty low bar…

[Loop 1604 227]

4 hours ago, Hornlover said:

So I guess you're saying that Rodney Terry would make a great position coach, maybe a coordinator? 

He’s already proven to be a mediocre head coach at Fresno State and UTEP with a 0.511 winning percentage.
 

Probably would have finished his career here as an assistant if Beard isn’t a moron.

[ztejas 43419]

5 hours ago, HookEm said:

I would have added it to the other Rodney Terry thread if I could.

I think the poll adds a lot to the conversation and provides some novel and surprising information.  There are a few LOUD posters who are making it seem like only an idiot would support hiring RT regardless of what he does.  In fact there is a pretty clear bell curve around the Elite 8 being the bar that needs to be crossed, which seems pretty reasonable to me.

I mean I'm seeing the same comments in this thread that I've seen for months. 

The poll is interesting. Would be nice if you could just add a poll inside an existing thread. 

Not hating, just... observing. 

[Pantone 16-1448 29]

2 hours ago, Loop 1604 said:

He’s already proven to be a mediocre head coach at Fresno State and UTEP with a 0.511 winning percentage.
 

Probably would have finished his career here as an assistant if Beard isn’t a moron.

Being a pessimistic doucher doesn't really add anything to the discussion. It just shows everyone that you have a very stinky pussy and that you're miserable. 

[Loop 1604 227]

1 hour ago, Pantone 16-1448 said:

Being a pessimistic doucher doesn't really add anything to the discussion. It just shows everyone that you have a very stinky pussy and that you're miserable. 

Go to bed. Sorry you guys can’t handle the truth.