No discussion of George Will saying "Vote Dem"???

[Gil Bang 25,894]

 

[Francisco 2.0 32,313]

Just another RINO cuck.  Disregard.  #MAGA.

 

 

[bad_teammate 13,132]

The only people who give a shit about George Will are centrist cucks who were never going to like Donald Trump in the first place.

lol @ anyone who thinks Bubba, Earl, or Cletus give a fuck about what George Will says

[SDG 3,319]

Who?  

 

At at least this is in politics.  

Edited June 23, 2018 by SDG

[Dr. Teeth 5,824]

Another liberal elite out of touch with the average American. Not like those bastions of the working class, Hannity and Carlson. 

[Francisco 2.0 32,313]

33 minutes ago, Dr. Teeth said:

Another liberal elite out of touch with the average American. Not like those bastions of the working class, Hannity and Carlson. 

Don't forget Trump.  Merle Haggard's Working Man Blues is his theme song.  

[atomheartbevo 89,396]

50 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

The only people who give a shit about George Will are centrist cucks who were never going to like Donald Trump in the first place.

lol @ anyone who thinks Bubba, Earl, or Cletus give a fuck about what George Will says

Pretty much.  

It was a much bigger deal that the top ten religious denominations in the US, including Southern Baptists, openly and very publicly came out against the policy, and most used Scripture to denounce it. 

[F250 28,674]

46 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

The only people who give a shit about George Will are centrist cucks who were never going to like Donald Trump in the first place.

lol @ anyone who thinks Bubba, Earl, or Cletus give a fuck about what George Will says

Very true.

Does anyone really think conservatives will understand the reference to Thomas More and Richard Rich? No because that would require literacy.

 

Not sure if Will intended this but today is More's feast day by the way.

 

 

 

[bad_teammate 13,132]

1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

It was a much bigger deal that the top ten religious denominations in the US, including Southern Baptists, openly and very publicly came out against the policy, and most used Scripture to denounce it. 

None of that matters, either.

Tribal politics are more important than religion and anything else.

[bolverk 29,394]

2 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

The only people who give a shit about George Will are centrist cucks who were never going to like Donald Trump in the first place.

lol @ anyone who thinks Bubba, Earl, or Cletus give a fuck about what George Will says

For some of the olds, this might have some resonance. My dad has been a Republican as long as I can remember, and he used to revere everything George Will said. If he came on the boob-tube back in the 80s, my dad would shush anyone in the room. He's unfortunately been brainwashed by Fox News, so I'm not sure how he'll react nowadays or even if he'll know. It all depends on whether Hannity covers it.

[Thetexashammer 1,062]

Here's a quarter. Call someone who cares.

[BrickHorn 18,186]

2 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

The only people who give a shit about George Will are centrist cucks who were never going to like Donald Trump in the first place.

lol @ anyone who thinks Bubba, Earl, or Cletus give a fuck about what George Will says

You don’t have to convince Cletus.  You just have to convince old school Republicans who voted “against Hillary” but who are disgusted with Trump.  

[ScottishHorn 172]

I think George Will liked the republican party when it was all about country clubs and manners and class and tact.  Now its filled with people he doesn't like or respect.  He likes being famous so he's moved to hang out with those folks.  Hell, he was on bill Maher last week.  

[bad_teammate 13,132]

21 minutes ago, bolverk said:

For some of the olds, this might have some resonance. My dad has been a Republican as long as I can remember, and he used to revere everything George Will said. If he came on the boob-tube back in the 80s, my dad would shush anyone in the room. He's unfortunately been brainwashed by Fox News, so I'm not sure how he'll react nowadays or even if he'll know. It all depends on whether Hannity covers it.

This is 100% why it doesn't matter. There is no one who is on the fence now about Trump who is reachable by George Will.

Edited June 23, 2018 by bad_teammate

[Larry T. Spider 1,740]

29 minutes ago, bolverk said:

For some of the olds, this might have some resonance. My dad has been a Republican as long as I can remember, and he used to revere everything George Will said. If he came on the boob-tube back in the 80s, my dad would shush anyone in the room. He's unfortunately been brainwashed by Fox News, so I'm not sure how he'll react nowadays or even if he'll know. It all depends on whether Hannity covers it.

I could have written this.

[WhatTheBuck 28,703]

37 minutes ago, bolverk said:

For some of the olds, this might have some resonance. My dad has been a Republican as long as I can remember, and he used to revere everything George Will said. If he came on the boob-tube back in the 80s, my dad would shush anyone in the room. He's unfortunately been brainwashed by Fox News, so I'm not sure how he'll react nowadays or even if he'll know. It all depends on whether Hannity covers it.

My older brother used to revere George Will back in the 80's. But then he just followed along with the Republicans' shift to the right and by the time Dubya was in office George Will might as well have been a socialist as far as he was concerned. No chance this would reach him. 

[atomheartbevo 89,396]

36 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

You don’t have to convince Cletus.  You just have to convince old school Republicans who voted “against Hillary” but who are disgusted with Trump.  

And the women.  The family separation stuff has rocked plenty of them.

[Hanrahan 1,306]

You don’t have to convince Cletus.  You just have to convince old school Republicans who voted “against Hillary” but who are disgusted with Trump.  

I don’t think anyone is “disgusted” with Trump. Some people don’t like him but he’s doing a pretty good job as POTUS, settling the NK question and all.

[HOOK'EMHOOAH 1,606]

1 hour ago, Hanrahan said:

 

I don’t think anyone is “disgusted” with Trump. Some people don’t like him but he’s doing a pretty good job as POTUS, settling the NK question and all.

Not sure if serious.

 

I am disgusted by dickhead Dolan and have nothing but contempt for his treasonous ass. asset never before has any person occupied the oval office had anything but the country's best interests at heart. Until now, that record stood, even if the plans didn't culminate into anything meaningful, the men holding office still did what they believed best for the country. This assclown has only his own interests mind and doesn't give a single fuck of they ever intersect with the interests of the country.

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6 hours ago, Hanrahan said:

 

I don’t think anyone is “disgusted” with Trump. Some people don’t like him but he’s doing a pretty good job as POTUS, settling the NK question and all.

 

Is this sarcasm? "settlin the NK question and all"  If this is real them you are one dumb MF,

[JimmyJames 12,271]

8 hours ago, Larry T. Spider said:

I could have written this.

#Me too

[Francisco 2.0 32,313]

7 hours ago, Hanrahan said:

 

I don’t think anyone is “disgusted” with Trump. Some people don’t like him but he’s doing a pretty good job as POTUS, settling the NK question and all.

 

He did?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/22/us/politics/north-korea-national-emergency-trump-nuclear.html

Quote

The gulf between President Trump’s rhetoric and a thorny geopolitical reality widened a bit further on Friday, when the White House said it would extend a decade-old executive order declaring a national emergency over the nuclear threat from North Korea.

The announcement came days after Mr. Trump declared to the world that “everybody can now feel much safer” after his meeting with the North Korean leader, Kim Jong-un: “There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea,” Mr. Trump said on Twitter.

Apparently, there still is.

“The existence and risk of proliferation of weapons-usable fissile material on the Korean Peninsula and the actions and policies of the government of North Korea continue to pose an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security, foreign policy and economy of the United States,” read the notice, delivered through the press secretary on Friday.

The national emergency regarding North Korea has been in place since 2008, spanning three presidencies. Now it is a measure that will effectively help keep in place what Mr. Trump has referred to as “maximum pressure” on North Korea and Mr. Kim, who has said he will take steps to denuclearize the Korean Peninsula but has not begun to dismantle his arsenal of nuclear weapons. Analysts who study the country say it would be premature to declare that progress on denuclearization until that happens.

 

Edited June 23, 2018 by Francisco 2.0

[Pescado_Rojo 19,330]

The right’s love affair with George Will ended in the 90’s when Rush and Fox News started railing against “the Intelligentsia” and “elites”. 

[Guest]

7 hours ago, Hanrahan said:

 

I don’t think anyone is “disgusted” with Trump. Some people don’t like him but he’s doing a pretty good job as POTUS, settling the NK question and all.

 

I’m as R as they come. Trump has created a lot of wealth for me. I’m disgusted with him. 

[BrickHorn 18,186]

59 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

I’m as R as they come. Trump has created a lot of wealth for me. I’m disgusted with him. 

Trump hasn’t created shit.  

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

Trump hasn’t created shit.  

His policies have. Do you have a 401k?  What has happened to your income taxes?  Do you own a significant amount of stock in a company that is up 40% since his election, partially attributable to him?  

[BrickHorn 18,186]

My 401k hasn’t done any better this year than it has historically.  My income taxes will drop by a lot, but I’m not bought off that cheap.  Nor am I under any illusion that a tax reduction created any wealth that isn’t offset by the increased national debt and risk of inflation.

And more importantly, Trump never gives anything that he does not intend to take away.  The man is a sociopath.  He’s the Jimmy Burke of politicians.  Yeah, you’ll get your share...  Don’t fall for the scam.

[Aqua Buddha 14,501]

11 hours ago, ScottishHorn said:

I think George Will liked the republican party when it was all about country clubs and manners and class and tact.  Now its filled with people he doesn't like or respect.  He likes being famous so he's moved to hang out with those folks.  Hell, he was on bill Maher last week.  

Kinda this.  I like George Will because he's an old school Republican and if they still existed, I might be one.

However, to your point, a lot of what is going on now is class conflict and not so much policy conflict.  I dare you to mention Trump support in a room where upscale whites mingle.  I might be palatable in part of Texas or the South in general but it sure as shit isn't in the rest of the country.  Trump is the embodiment of working class white cultural aggrievement and people like George Will don't like it that the commoners have now overrun the country club.

 

 

[Aqua Buddha 14,501]

21 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

His policies have. Do you have a 401k?  What has happened to your income taxes?  Do you own a significant amount of stock in a company that is up 40% since his election, partially attributable to him?  

Not sure what he has done to drive the stock market.  Where you championing Obama during his stock market run up?  

[Hefeweizen 5,307]

Not sure what he has done to drive the stock market.  Where you championing Obama during his stock market run up?  

No because he was black, he wanted to confiscate your money. Trump wants you to be rich like him.

[Guest]

3 hours ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Not sure what he has done to drive the stock market.  Where you championing Obama during his stock market run up?  

Obama managed a recovery despite his efforts to thwart it.  Regardless, I thrived during Obama years, but my taxes were higher.  

Trump came in with a business friendly reputation and the markets instantly reacted after a confusing election night.  We issued a bunch of growth stock just subsequent to the election, knowing we were about to enter this environment, and put it to work.  We have been rewarded.  And my taxes were noticeably lower this year.

But I suspect we are about to enter a recession, and there's not much he will be able to do to avoid it.  I hate his comments about OPEC, because he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.  Regardless of the good he apparently had a hand in, I detest everything about him, and won't vote again in '20 if he's GOP nominee.

[bad_teammate 13,132]

4 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Obama managed a recovery despite his efforts to thwart it.  Regardless, I thrived during Obama years, but my taxes were higher.  

Trump came in with a business friendly reputation and the markets instantly reacted after a confusing election night.  We issued a bunch of growth stock just subsequent to the election, knowing we were about to enter this environment, and put it to work.  We have been rewarded.  And my taxes were noticeably lower this year.

But I suspect we are about to enter a recession, and there's not much he will be able to do to avoid it.  I hate his comments about OPEC, because he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.  Regardless of the good he apparently had a hand in, I detest everything about him, and won't vote again in '20 if he's GOP nominee.

Brain worms.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Brain worms.

You may disagree with me, but they're actually congruous statements.  I'm of the mind that if an economy is in decline or recovering in its normal course, there's not much a President can do about it, even if he/she is totally aligned with the Fed Chairman, particularly in both scenarios where QE has been maxed out.  

[seven 1,366]

Even the guy who dips on airplanes is disgusted with trump. 

[ChiTownDoc 21,097]

17 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

The only people who give a shit about George Will are centrist cucks who were never going to like Donald Trump in the first place.

lol @ anyone who thinks Bubba, Earl, or Cletus give a fuck about what George Will says

Point....

17 hours ago, SDG said:

Who?  

 

At at least this is in politics.  

Made.

[Guest]

Just now, seven said:

Even the guy who dips on airplanes is disgusted with trump. 

I was never not disgusted with him. I don’t dip on airplanes. 

[F250 28,674]

Ain't nothing wrong with dipping on planes.

[Aqua Buddha 14,501]

31 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Obama managed a recovery despite his efforts to thwart it. Regardless, I thrived during Obama years, but my taxes were higher.  

Trump came in with a business friendly reputation and the markets instantly reacted after a confusing election night.  We issued a bunch of growth stock just subsequent to the election, knowing we were about to enter this environment, and put it to work.  We have been rewarded.  And my taxes were noticeably lower this year.

But I suspect we are about to enter a recession, and there's not much he will be able to do to avoid it.  I hate his comments about OPEC, because he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.  Regardless of the good he apparently had a hand in, I detest everything about him, and won't vote again in '20 if he's GOP nominee.

Yeah, it's a good thing he didn't start a trade war and pump a bunch of money we didn't need into the economy and started inflation.

Not sure what Obama did to actively thwart the growth of the economy.  He stabilized the free fall we were in and the saved the banks and GM.  Saving the banks on the auto industry by themselves were huge.  Had they collapsed, THAT would have been ruinous.  

[Pods 7,525]

16 minutes ago, seven said:

Even the guy who dips on airplanes is disgusted with trump. 

Wrong. His approval rating among Republicans is 90%. Fox News and Breitbart are busy deifying him daily. It's North Korea level shit and his followers reflect that religious adherence. 

[Aqua Buddha 14,501]

1 minute ago, Pods said:

Wrong. His approval rating among Republicans is 90%. Fox News and Breitbart are busy deifying him daily. It's North Korea level shit and his followers reflect that religious adherence. 

It's mostly olds and they get confused easily.  That's why the Nigeria check scam still lives.

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Yeah, it's a good thing he didn't start a trade war and pump a bunch of money we didn't need into the economy and started inflation.

Not sure what Obama did to actively thwart the growth of the economy.  He stabilized the free fall we were in and the saved the banks and GM.  Saving the banks on the auto industry by themselves were huge.  Had they collapsed, THAT would have been ruinous.  

You do realize how much money we pumped into the economy during his 8 years, don’t you?  I agree about the banks, but that was done by Bush and Paulsen. He saw it through, though, and would have done what Bush did (any sane POTUS on either side would have). 

I have no opinion on the auto industry’s saving except that Michigan is dead. 

[PilotsError 2,281]

Dems are in panic mode.  No matter what they do, no matter what they fabricate, Trump's approval ratings keep going up. 

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, Pods said:

Wrong. His approval rating among Republicans is 90%. Fox News and Breitbart are busy deifying him daily. It's North Korea level shit and his followers reflect that religious adherence. 

I disagree with those poll numbers. Not you necessarily. I don’t know any person who likes anything about Trump, and 90%+ of the people I associate with are Republicans.  

Anecdotal, sure, but he’s universally panned in the national media. Admittedly, my Fox News watching days are over. 

[Pods 7,525]

6 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

It's mostly olds and they get confused easily.  That's why the Nigeria check scam still lives.

In our social circles, it's mostly olds. Travel to a rural area and it's mostly everyone. I was recently in rural Western Pennsylvania for a few days. Most of them adore Trump and it's all ages. 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, PilotsError said:

Dems are in panic mode.  No matter what they do, no matter what they fabricate, Trump's approval ratings keep going up. 

I have heard that Trump loves all cops. 

[David Dennison 18,646]

7 minutes ago, PilotsError said:

Dems are in panic mode.  No matter what they do, no matter what they fabricate, Trump's approval ratings keep going up. 

Historically bad.

[Pods 7,525]

12 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

I disagree with those poll numbers. Not you necessarily. I don’t know any person who likes anything about Trump, and 90%+ of the people I associate with are Republicans.  

Anecdotal, sure, but he’s universally panned in the national media. Admittedly, my Fox News watching days are over. 

I hope you're right. I've seen plenty of anecdotal support for it. I've got a diehard Fox watching, Hannity listening, Breitbart reading Trumpkin in my family. It's kind of amazing and horrifying to watch. Every time we've tried to discuss, they respond with only emotion. It's impossible to discuss, so we mostly don't.

I've also seen lots of anecdotal support for Trump in rural upstate NY and rural Western PA recently.  

I've seen a lot of Fox/Breitbart and heard a fair bit of Hannity as a result of my family member. They are spitting fear based lies and brainwashing with Trump ego/accomplishment fluffing 24/7. It's laughably obvious. It's also apparently very effective. 

Edited June 23, 2018 by Pods

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,356]

Natural ideological tendencies are greatly taken advantage of by propaganda 

[Brisketexan 104,537]

It's mostly olds and they get confused easily.  That's why the Nigeria check scam still lives.

Is actually love to see a poll of people who have fallen for online scams. I hypothesize that the overlap of Trump voters is almost perfect.

[Goredho 17,341]

While I totally agree with George Will’s sentiment, who exactly is that going to persuade?  Is there anyone left in the GOP base that satisfies the conditions of A) being capable of understanding the essay of an intellectual conservative and B) not a fucking sociopath?