2023 Masters

[RegularSizedRudy 36]

Went to the final round of the women’s amateur Saturday. The much smaller crowd compared to the Masters rounds I’ve been to made the experience much better than I expected. Mostly because I knew very little about the golfers. I was there to mostly take in the course.
 

The hour wait for merchandise sucked, but with the weather supposed to turn south we made sure we shopped first. For the first timers here, it’s wise to do your shopping as soon as you get there. They open up the area with the merchandise and concessions 30ish minutes before anyone is let on the course. If they clear the course because of weather, the shop closes then too and you may miss out. They have a place where you can either check or ship your merch so you don’t have to lug it around the course all day. 
 

Also having an air bnb less than 2 miles from the course made the 3 hour weather delay much more tolerable with the patio beers. 

[TonyTexas 10505]

It’s going to be a wet tournament with rain forecast Friday-Sunday. At a lot of courses this makes scoring easy pickings. But at Augusta, players lose the driving distance while the greens remain firm and fast. Tough combo. 

[LTtxfan 49142]

1 hour ago, TonyTexas said:

It’s going to be a wet tournament with rain forecast Friday-Sunday. At a lot of courses this makes scoring easy pickings. But at Augusta, players lose the driving distance while the greens remain firm and fast. Tough combo. 

When was the last time The Masters had a wet weekend??

Curious to see who might be the better players in wet conditions at Augusta...

 

[dieucla98 2942]

They've had rainy days but I don't remember a rainy weekend. Also, doesn't look lightning other than Thursday so hopefully they can play through but those rainfall totals look troublesome. Even the best course drainage in the world can only handle so much.

[crash_davis 23100]

[dieucla98 2942]

FYI - masters.com (the champ at online golf experience) has Masters on the Range streaming live. Showing some footage of Tiger currently.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, dieucla98 said:

FYI - masters.com (the champ at online golf experience) has Masters on the Range streaming live. Showing some footage of Tiger currently.

God what a good web experience. I just click, it brings it up, it's already in HD and sharp instantly. No pop-ups, buffering, pixelated, adblocker, registration. 

[Wally Fairway 5541]

Anyone want to join a Masters fantasy pick'em?
Just pick 8 guesses - 1 must be a past champion, 1 must be someone from LIV, 1 must be someone who has never won a major the other 5 can be whoever you like (hell pick Sandy Lyle if you like)

Scoring is as follows:
pick the winner is 75points
2nd place is 70
3rd place is 68
4th place is 66
then - 2 points for each place below 4th (so 10th is 54, 15 is 44....25 is 24 points) no negative points below 37th
for ties all players tied get the points for the position they tied (not averaging all the positions) 

5 bonus points for low round each day, 5 bonus points for no bogies in each round, 1 bonus point for each eagle a player gets

- 5 points for each player you pick who misses the cut

Tie breaker pick the winning score either as score 288  or to par -8 (which is 280) if there is a playoff the winning score is the 72 hole score (will not include the playoff)

so last year if you picked Scottie, Rory, Cam Smith, JT, Jordan, Finau, Tiger and Brooks then you would have scored 265 -  75.70, 68, 58, -5  , 4 and -5 ( I am not looking back for bonus points)

 

the prize for winning is that all the players have to + rep your winning pick post (and in the spirit of Surly lowest points should get neg'd)

I will post my picks sometime tomorrow or wednesday & try to put together a spreadsheet with guesses

[LTtxfan 49142]

The discussion about LIV players at The Masters is already such a fuckin' beating...

 

FUK

[Hate 20106]

I hope every single one of them misses the cut.

[Wally Fairway 5541]

1 hour ago, Hate said:

I hope every single one of them misses the cut.

I don't know - I'd kinda like to see Phil make the cut, on the number, then hit balls into the water on 11,12,13,15, and 16. I would love to see the interview after he shot a nice little 85 on Saturday, and then gets his ass kicked by Jeff Knox on Sunday

[Revolution512 1487]

I hope they are in the thick of it and lose late

[conVINCEd 21469]

1 hour ago, Hate said:

I hope every single one of them misses the cut.

I hope they all come down with explosive diarrhea and shit their pants 3 times per side.

[Blotto 23487]

As someone that plans on placing a friendly wager or two this weekend, I wasted a few minutes in excel mashing together/formatting the odds from my book with historical scoring averages at the Masters. In case anyone is interested, here it is. #N/A indicates that this is their first masters. Interestingly enough, the guy with the lowest scoring average was Aaron Wise (70.25, 4 rounds) who dropped out a few days ago, but one tourney is a small sample size. 

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Name	Odds	Scoring Avg	Rank	# Rounds
Rory McIlroy	625	71.38	10	52 rounds
Scottie Scheffler	808	70.58	3	12 rounds
Jon Rahm	965	70.75	5	24 rounds
Patrick Cantlay	1885	72.6	37	20 rounds
Jordan Spieth	2009	70.71	4	34 rounds
Justin Thomas	2272	71.54	14	28 rounds
Cameron Smith	2475	71.38	11	24 rounds
Dustin Johnson	2523	71.3	8	44 rounds
Xander Schauffele	2576	71.39	13	18 rounds
Tony Finau	2576	71.2	7	20 rounds
Cameron Young	2680	77.0	73	2 rounds
Jason Day	3033	71.70	18	37 rounds
Collin Morikawa	3076	71.58	17	12 rounds
Max Homa	3398	74.38	67	8 rounds
Sam Burns	3421	74.5	68	2 rounds
Brooks Koepka	3601	71.71	20	24 rounds
Corey Conners	4050	71.39	12	18 rounds
Matthew Fitzpatrick	4050	72.4	31	30 rounds
Hideki Matsuyama	4250	71.55	15	42 rounds
Sung-Jae Im	4532	71.70	19	10 rounds
Viktor Hovland	4550	72.08	24	12 rounds
Will Zalatoris	4831	70.5	2	8 rounds
Tyrrell Hatton	5650	74.05	64	20 rounds
Tommy Fleetwood	6798	72.14	26	22 rounds
Min Woo Lee	7250	72.5	34	4 rounds
Patrick Reed	7550	72.09	25	32 rounds
Shane Lowry	7550	72.82	43	22 rounds
Justin Rose	7893	71.81	22	64 rounds
Joaquin Niemann	8250	73.9	61	10 rounds
Tiger Woods	8550	71.05	6	94 rounds
Keith Mitchell	8550	71.75	21	4 rounds
Joohyung Kim	10250	70.75	5	24 rounds
Mito Pereira	10250	#N/A	#N/A	#N/A
Si Woo Kim	11250	72.41	32	22 rounds
Sahith Theegala	11250	#N/A	#N/A	#N/A
Russell Henley	11250	72.45	33	22 rounds
Kurt Kitayama	11672	#N/A	#N/A	#N/A
Thomas Pieters	12050	74.13	65	8 rounds
Bryson Dechambeau	12550	72.68	41	22 rounds
Alex Noren	12550	75.13	71	8 rounds
Taylor Moore	12550	#N/A	#N/A	#N/A
Adam Scott	13250	72.53	36	80 rounds
Abraham Ancer	13250	72.0	23	10 rounds
Louis Oosthuizen	15250	72.31	29	45 rounds
Tom Hoge	15250	73.75	59	4 rounds
Seamus Power	15250	73.0	46	4 rounds
Talor Gooch	15250	72.5	35	4 rounds
Danny Willett	16550	72.67	38	24 rounds
J.T. Poston	16550	74.0	63	2 rounds
Harold Varner III	17550	72.75	40	4 rounds
Bubba Watson	17550	72.15	27	54 rounds
Keegan Bradley	18550	73.36	55	22 rounds
Chris Kirk	18550	73.1	48	10 rounds
Brian Harman	19559	72.92	44	12 rounds
Ryan Fox	20250	#N/A	#N/A	#N/A
Sergio Garcia	20250	72.99	45	76 rounds
Billy Horschel	20250	73.61	56	28 rounds
Gary Woodland	20250	73.66	57	29 rounds
Adrian Meronk	20250	#N/A	#N/A	#N/A
Kyoung Hoon Lee	20250	#N/A	#N/A	#N/A
Phil Mickelson	22550	71.35	9	110 rounds
Kevin Na	22550	72.74	39	38 rounds
Jason Kokrak	25250	73.3	54	10 rounds
Charl Schwartzel	30250	72.34	30	44 rounds
Mackenzie Hughes	30250	75.40	72	10 rounds
Cameron Champ	30250	71.58	16	12 rounds
Francesco Molinari	30250	73.17	49	36 rounds
Harris English	30250	73.70	58	10 rounds
Scott Stallings	30250	74.17	66	6 rounds
Sepp Straka	30550	73.25	52	4 rounds
Kevin Kisner	40250	73.21	50	24 rounds
Adam Svensson	40250	#N/A	#N/A	#N/A
Gordon Sargent	20250	#N/A	#N/A	#N/A
Phil Mickelson	22550	71.35	9	110 rounds
Kevin Na	22550	72.74	39	38 rounds
Jason Kokrak	25250	73.3	54	10 rounds
Cameron Champ	30250	71.58	16	12 rounds
Fred Couples	30250	72.27	28	134 rounds
Charl Schwartzel	30250	72.34	30	44 rounds
Francesco Molinari	30250	73.17	49	36 rounds
Harris English	30250	73.70	58	10 rounds
Scott Stallings	30250	74.17	66	6 rounds
Mackenzie Hughes	30250	75.40	72	10 rounds
Harrison Crowe	30250	#N/A	#N/A	#N/A
Mateo Fernandez de Oliveira	30250	#N/A	#N/A	#N/A
Sepp Straka	30550	73.25	52	4 rounds
Kevin Kisner	40250	73.21	50	24 rounds
Adam Svensson	40250	#N/A	#N/A	#N/A

 

Edited April 3, 2023 by Blotto

[RockyMountainHighHorn 890]

Is it stupid to think my dad and I can wake up and get a parking spot? We thought our hotel would have a shuttle but oh no the 3.5 star rating is 3.5 stars too many. Are parking passes needed? Or just get there early and try to get a spot? Or Uber? I know newb

[Catpfish 618]

Get there about 730 and you'll have no problem parking. We parked at the north gate, well about a half mile from it, for free and we got there a little before 8 today. Get there early and hit the pro shop first thing. They shut the line down today due about an hour as the lines were to long. Either that or head to south gate by #16. It wasn't as crowded

[Wally Fairway 5541]

8 hours ago, Wally Fairway said:

Anyone want to join a Masters fantasy pick'em?
Just pick 8 guesses - 1 must be a past champion, 1 must be someone from LIV, 1 must be someone who has never won a major the other 5 can be whoever you like (hell pick Sandy Lyle if you like)

Spoiler

Scoring is as follows:
pick the winner is 75points
2nd place is 70
3rd place is 68
4th place is 66
then - 2 points for each place below 4th (so 10th is 54, 15 is 44....25 is 24 points) no negative points below 37th
for ties all players tied get the points for the position they tied (not averaging all the positions) 

5 bonus points for low round each day, 5 bonus points for no bogies in each round, 1 bonus point for each eagle a player gets

- 5 points for each player you pick who misses the cut

Tie breaker pick the winning score either as score 288  or to par -8 (which is 280) if there is a playoff the winning score is the 72 hole score (will not include the playoff)

so last year if you picked Scottie, Rory, Cam Smith, JT, Jordan, Finau, Tiger and Brooks then you would have scored 265 -  75.70, 68, 58, -5  , 4 and -5 ( I am not looking back for bonus points)

 

the prize for winning is that all the players have to + rep your winning pick post (and in the spirit of Surly lowest points should get neg'd)

I will post my picks sometime tomorrow or wednesday & try to put together a spreadsheet with guesses

Here are my guesses - subject to changes before Jack, Gary & Tom tee off on Thursday morning

Scottie, Jordan, Cam Smith, Morikawa, Xander, Viktor, Will Z, Tom Kim

[Catpfish 618]

Is anyone from the Austin area willing to pick me up a gnome if they get the chance? They were gone by the time we were able to get in the pro shop at 1030. I can meet you with cash when you get back.

[Wulaw Horn 19065]

Tiger, DJ, Cam Young, Spieth, Scottie, JT, Rory, BDC. 
 

is it cheating to take BDC since he’s playing a par 67 and everyone else is playing a 72?  

[dieucla98 2942]

You're doing everyone else a favor by taking BDC.

[4th&Five 41506]

 

[Wulaw Horn 19065]

36 minutes ago, dieucla98 said:

You're doing everyone else a favor by taking BDC.

Augusta is a big hitters place.  BDC is a big hitter.  One day it's going to make sense for him out there (I think). We will see.  I mean, I took Tiger as well so it's not like I'm planning on winning this thing. 

[crash_davis 23100]

I hope Fatrick and FIJAM get struck by lightning on Thursday or Friday. Would be hella awesome if it happened at the exact same time.

[crash_davis 23100]

Damn. On the putting green, Sheff just walked up to FIJAM, shook hanks and are catching up. Guess there's not bad blood with LIV golfers.

Edited April 4, 2023 by crash_davis

[tx 3 putt 76869]

Could it be a Monday finish ?

[smwhorn 482]

26 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

Could it be a Monday finish ?

Don't see how they can avoid it with the forecast.  As good as they are at draining water away from the course and out of the bunkers, if they can't play Friday, they're not going to be able to finish by Sunday.

[C-Man 27184]

Damn. On the putting green, Sheff just walked up to FIJAM, shook hanks and are catching up. Guess there's not bad blood with LIV golfers.

*FIGJAM

[C-Man 27184]

Tiger, DJ, Cam Young, Spieth, Scottie, JT, Rory, BDC. 
 
is it cheating to take BDC since he’s playing a par 67 and everyone else is playing a 72?  

BDC hasn’t played a “real” competitive round of golf in over a year and his best finish at Augusta was T-21 in 2016 or so.

[Wulaw Horn 19065]

50 minutes ago, C-Man said:

*FIGJAM

Why would there be?  FIGJAM was basically right about everything he said about the PGA tour and used the leverage with LIV to get a better deal for the tour stars. They should be lined up to shake his hand and say thank you.  He took the bullets and scorn for actually doing it ( and of course tons and tons of money) and now they have basically what- 12 or 15 tournaments a year with big money and no cuts and an easy way for them to hold onto their status all throughout?  And I don't begrudge the stars that- they are the reason people tune in and they ought to get paid.  Which was Phils point and it's valid. You can be an asshole and still right sometimes.  Even Rory had some nice things to say a couple weeks ago about the changes and new opportunities for the stars.  

And the PGA tour doing all that completely undercut the reason for existing for the LIV. It seems hard to believe now that they LIV is going to get any more competitive golfers now that they've done the elevated field concept and made things so much more star friendly. 

Edited April 4, 2023 by Wulaw Horn

[heso 2785]

12 minutes ago, C-Man said:

BDC hasn’t played a “real” competitive round of golf in over a year and his best finish at Augusta was T-21 in 2016 or so.

I’d put money on him missing the cut over finishing top 20. 

[Wulaw Horn 19065]

5 minutes ago, heso said:

I’d put money on him missing the cut over finishing top 20. 

Probably.  Maybe.  WE will see. If he gets hot he can overpower that course.  He probably won't be but that's my one from "long shot" division. 

[crash_davis 23100]

Of all the LIV golfers, I think Brooks has the best chance of doing really well and maybe winning. He's back to full health and has been playing well, albeit 54 holes. Fatrick seems to thrive on being the bad guy so he may channel special inner powers and show out this week. Cam is a GREAT player so he has a chance but he hasn't been lights out in the few LIV events.

Anyway, fuck them.

[TonyTexas 10505]

1 hour ago, tx 3 putt said:

Could it be a Monday finish ?

The field’s small and cut smaller(top 50 and ties) that they have a lot more room for error than most tourneys. 

[heso 2785]

12 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Probably.  Maybe.  WE will see. If he gets hot he can overpower that course.  He probably won't be but that's my one from "long shot" division. 

I’m not ruling it out entirely, but I’m not of the opinion that Augusta is a course that can be overpowered outright if you don’t have the approach game and putting to convert. And I don’t think Bryson does. 

Edited April 4, 2023 by heso

[tx 3 putt 76869]

11 minutes ago, TonyTexas said:

The field’s small and cut smaller(top 50 and ties) that they have a lot more room for error than most tourneys. 

It’ll be interested to see what happens 

[Wulaw Horn 19065]

7 minutes ago, heso said:

I’m not ruling it out entirely, but I’m not of the opinion that Augusta is a course that can be overpowered outright if you don’t have the approach game and putting to convert. And I don’t think Bryson does. 

Other than left handers who it sets up well for it's a bombers course.  And it's going to be wet so it will even more be a bombers course.  It's much more likely he finished T-42nd than top 5, but who knows. 

[4th&Five 41506]

JT, Rahm and Cam Young is a good group. They put Phil with Hoge and Si Woo. Spieth, Fleetwood and Finau are last group out on Thursday.

[TonyTexas 10505]

3 hours ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Tiger, DJ, Cam Young, Spieth, Scottie, JT, Rory, BDC. 
 

is it cheating to take BDC since he’s playing a par 67 and everyone else is playing a 72?  

His best finish in 6 appearances is T21 in 2016 playing as an amateur. While you’d think he should dominate ANG, he just hasn’t played well there. 

Edited April 4, 2023 by TonyTexas

[Wulaw Horn 19065]

3 minutes ago, TonyTexas said:

His best finish in 6 appearances is T21 in 2016 playing as an amateur. While you’d think he should dominate ANG, he just hasn’t played well there. 

No doubt.  Which is weird b/c it should absolutely set up well for him.  I'm waiting for the logic to win out on this one but maybe he never plays it well there.  

With his huge drop in the OWGR and his US Open exemption about up he might not ever get the chance.  

[BTW 370]

Anyone participating in a Calcutta? (or maybe I should be asking in the gambling forum)

[C-Man 27184]

9 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

No doubt.  Which is weird b/c it should absolutely set up well for him.  I'm waiting for the logic to win out on this one but maybe he never plays it well there.  

With his huge drop in the OWGR and his US Open exemption about up he might not ever get the chance.  

I still stand by the LIV guys not competing to win because they haven’t been in that true competitive cauldron in nearly a year. BDC has been away even longer because he was hurt. However, for reasons stated by others above, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Koepka make a run at it.

[dieucla98 2942]

25 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Other than left handers who it sets up well for it's a bombers course.  And it's going to be wet so it will even more be a bombers course.  It's much more likely he finished T-42nd than top 5, but who knows. 

It's not a bomber's course, it's an around the green course compared to other PGA tour courses. Driving it far is as important as approach and putting here, which are both 2nd to around the green. Driving accuracy is the lowest importance by a significant amount. That is not a bomber's course.

Edit: This is also backed up by all the champions - really only DJ is what I'd call a bomber. The rest have a great all around game, especially around the green.

Edited April 4, 2023 by dieucla98

[heso 2785]

21 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Other than left handers who it sets up well for it's a bombers course.  And it's going to be wet so it will even more be a bombers course.  It's much more likely he finished T-42nd than top 5, but who knows. 

I just don’t see it as a bomber’s course. I think it’s very lenient off of the tee which gives it the perception of being a bomber’s course. And it definitely opens the door for a bomber. But I see it as much more of a 2nd shot course. For every DJ there are 3 Spieths, Zach Johnsons, and Hidekis. Hitting it a mile off the tee isn’t gaining you as much when there are tiny sections of the green you have to hit on your next shot. If you look at the list of winners you can see that you can win at Augusta without being a bomber off the tee, but you can’t win it being only a bomber off the tee. 
 

But if you’re a lefty and can bomb it, you have a distinct advantage. 

[ztejas 43411]

9 minutes ago, dieucla98 said:

Driving accuracy is the lowest importance by a significant amount. That is not a bomber's course.

Huh? That's exactly what bomber's course means. It rewards distance over accuracy.

[txduck87 985]

[Wulaw Horn 19065]

1 hour ago, C-Man said:

I still stand by the LIV guys not competing to win because they haven’t been in that true competitive cauldron in nearly a year. BDC has been away even longer because he was hurt. However, for reasons stated by others above, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Koepka make a run at it.

Maybe. Fatrick Reed almost took down Rory over in Dubai.  I think it's too soon to know.  DJ is always a threat- I don't think that dude needs to grind on the tour to show up and win a major, but I might be wrong.  He's playing really well though compared to most of the other guys who went over there. wasn't it like 50/50 at the US Open on the LIV guys?

[Wulaw Horn 19065]

1 hour ago, dieucla98 said:

. Driving accuracy is the lowest importance by a significant amount. That is not a bomber's course.

This is how I use the term bomber.  When hitting it long matters but hitting it accurately off the tee isn't all that big a deal that's how we always used the term.  Oh- just bomb it on down there and go hit it form wherever it ends up.  Augusta has generally been won by the all time greats but the guys that do well there all hit the ball a long way (or are left handed) to my way of thinking.  It's not a Corey Pavin split the uprights type situation.  It's hit the ball a mile and go play it from there. The have brought the "second cut" a little more into play but it's still a place where you want length length length (and ability to put and around the green- but that's any golf course. 

[Wulaw Horn 19065]

1 hour ago, heso said:

I just don’t see it as a bomber’s course. I think it’s very lenient off of the tee which gives it the perception of being a bomber’s course. And it definitely opens the door for a bomber. But I see it as much more of a 2nd shot course. For every DJ there are 3 Spieths, Zach Johnsons, and Hidekis. Hitting it a mile off the tee isn’t gaining you as much when there are tiny sections of the green you have to hit on your next shot. If you look at the list of winners you can see that you can win at Augusta without being a bomber off the tee, but you can’t win it being only a bomber off the tee. 
 

But if you’re a lefty and can bomb it, you have a distinct advantage. 

Speith is plenty long.  Just going back 10 years- Scottie- Long, Hideki (average?) DJ- Long, TIger- Long, Reed- Average?, Garcia- long, Willet- no clue- Spieth- long, Watson- long, Scott- long Watson again- long.  I mean that's 7 big hitters and 2 average guys and whatever and whoever the fuck a Danny Willet is.  

[Wulaw Horn 19065]

7 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Speith is plenty long.  Just going back 10 years- Scottie- Long, Hideki (average?) DJ- Long, TIger- Long, Reed- Average?, Garcia- long, Willet- no clue- Spieth- long, Watson- long, Scott- long Watson again- long.  I mean that's 7 big hitters and 2 average guys and whatever and whoever the fuck a Danny Willet is.  

Looking at stats Matsuyama was longer than Spieth when they won their respective tournaments.  Spieth pumping it up to 308 is why I said he was plenty long but he was 295 guy when he won the masters.  Hideki was a 302 guy the year he won the Masters.  Patrick reed was average at something like 85th on tour in driving distance the year he won the tournament.  

[ztejas 43411]

5 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Speith is plenty long.  Just going back 10 years- Scottie- Long, Hideki (average?) DJ- Long, TIger- Long, Reed- Average?, Garcia- long, Willet- no clue- Spieth- long, Watson- long, Scott- long Watson again- long.  I mean that's 7 big hitters and 2 average guys and whatever and whoever the fuck a Danny Willet is.  

Spieth and Hideki are pretty average distance guys. The year Hideki won he was dropping everything near the pin iirc and Spieth did well in the past because his short game was so good. 

It's why it's such a great course - there's a ton of different ways to win. Ben never hit the ball far at all and won twice there. Same with Faldo who has 3 jackets.