Classic Car thread

Onboard 2.0 · October 20, 2020

7 hours ago, TexasEd said:

@Horn of Gabriel

Congrats! I'm putting a new radiator in my car now and having fitment issues. I hope your issues are simple to fix.

That's kinda unusual for Mustangs. Usually radiators swap right out pretty cleanly. Stock ? aluminum ?

Horn of Gabriel · October 20, 2020

On 10/17/2020 at 2:11 PM, Mother mopar said:

Love it it! Great work all around bud. A fan shroud makes a world of difference and will increase the cars cooling effectiveness immensely. That may all you need depending on the level of power that 383 is making. Worst case scenario add a pusher fan on the front and your cooling issues will be solved.

What is your overall timing on the engine set at 32, 34 degrees? If the engine is working harder to over come "bad" timing it will overheat.

I've seen quiet a few big block mopars with 22" radiators cool just fine....some came from the factory like that. Would hate for you to think it is a radiator problem when it may be sometime else (backwards fans blade) etc.

When they had the engine out they did the engine dyno and it was peak 354 HP @ 4800 RPM and peak 402 ft-lbs @ 4500 RPM. Haven't put the whole car on yet to see how it does.

We'll see on the shroud - I ended up pulling the rad for the bigger one b/c the shop couldn't find a pre-mad shroud for the existing aftermarket radiator, they were going to have to fabricate one, and the expense of the custom shroud vs. the new factory-fit radiator and stock shroud were close, so why not.

TwiceHorn · October 20, 2020

1 minute ago, Horn of Gabriel said:

When they had the engine out they did the engine dyno and it was peak 354 HP @ 4800 RPM and peak 402 ft-lbs @ 4500 RPM. Haven't put the whole car on yet to see how it does.

We'll see on the shroud - I ended up pulling the rad for the bigger one b/c the shop couldn't find a pre-mad shroud for the existing aftermarket radiator, they were going to have to fabricate one, and the expense of the custom shroud vs. the new factory-fit radiator and stock shroud were close, so why not.

Unusually torquey, it seems. Is that characteristic of wedgeheads or the 383 in particular?

TexasEd · October 20, 2020

10 hours ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

That's kinda unusual for Mustangs. Usually radiators swap right out pretty cleanly. Stock ? aluminum ?

The water pump mounted clutch fan hits the bottom of the shroud. I need to raise the front of the engine 1/2” or possibly remove the radiator saddles my guess is that the old motor mounts need to be replaced.

EDIT: Forgot to add that it is a stock style replacement.

Edited October 20, 2020 by TexasEd

Mother mopar · October 20, 2020

Unusually torquey, it seems. Is that characteristic of wedgeheads or the 383 in particular?

Stock 383s were around 335 HP and around 420ish on torque if I recall....depening on the year. Mopars just made torque monsters to power those pick C bodies. The heads on 383 and 440s are interchangeable, so 452s or 906s are both good heads and with a little work flow decent numbers.

Definitely should be a fun street motor on a ebody on the streets. Drive that shit like you stole it

PittsburghTiger · October 22, 2020

This looks cool as hell.

PittsburghTiger · October 22, 2020

^^ I've never been a fan of slamming a car down to the ground. Perhaps that is because our roads up here are so pathetic. I prefer cars at just about at the original ride height, but, other than that I love it. edit: On second look maybe it is the wheel arches that have me thinking it was lowered too much.

Edited October 22, 2020 by PittsburghTiger

Onboard 2.0 · October 22, 2020

Some cool features, not a huge fan of what they did to the body. It has lost a lot of the beauty of those classic 60's Mercedes . A more understated body. (looks more like a scaled down Bentley or Rolls now)

The fender flares are a bit too big in my opinion, but I like the concept. Something more sub-tlely scaled would have been prettier. Their scale, and proportion seem a bit cartoonish.

Edited October 22, 2020 by Onboard 2.0

Onboard 2.0 · October 22, 2020

Getting the house ready for sale, and came across my first restoration project (a picture that is). '67, 289, automatic.

Edited October 22, 2020 by Onboard 2.0

Anastasis · October 22, 2020

50 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

The fender flares are a bit too big in my opinion, but I like the concept. Something more sub-tlely scaled would have been prettier. Their scale, and proportion seem a bit cartoonish.

I'm fine with the rear flares but the front flares need to be dialed back just a bit imo.

TwiceHorn · October 22, 2020

1 hour ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Some cool features, not a huge fan of what they did to the body. It has lost a lot of the beauty of those classic 60's Mercedes . A more understated body. (looks more like a scaled down Bentley or Rolls now)

The fender flares are a bit too big in my opinion, but I like the concept. Something more sub-tlely scaled would have been prettier. Their scale, and proportion seem a bit cartoonish.

The removal of the rear bumper, while keeping the front creates a disturbing assymetry, imo.

Buzzrock · October 23, 2020

This account is a good follow if you like ‘68 Mustangs

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CGsd6o_FnQp/?igshid=fsom5xvl242c

Anastasis · October 23, 2020

Relevant to my interests.

Edited October 23, 2020 by Anastasis

Prepuce of Doom · October 23, 2020

Both result in the smell of burning rubber if you play your cards right?

Onboard 2.0 · October 23, 2020

1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

Relevant to my interests.

Those are both niiiice fastbacks.

TexasEd · October 24, 2020

I know it's sad but when I look at that the second thing I notice is the rubber on the rear fender and think about getting a paint job for my car and how I could prevent that and rock chips.

(I did say the second thing I noticed)

Anastasis · October 24, 2020

1 hour ago, TexasEd said:

I know it's sad but when I look at that the second thing I notice is the rubber on the rear fender and think about getting a paint job for my car and how I could prevent that and rock chips.

(I did say the second thing I noticed)

My brain damage requires that I try to figure out whether it is an early 68 or a later build based on the quarter panel reflector.

Anastasis · October 24, 2020

It’s a later 68.

Mother mopar · October 24, 2020

I know it's sad but when I look at that the second thing I notice is the rubber on the rear fender and think about getting a paint job for my car and how I could prevent that and rock chips.
(I did say the second thing I noticed)

Spray WD40 on the back quarters and rubber will never stick. Another option is to use the blue painter's tape from Home Depot.
1. Lay down a few tape widths
2. Drag race
3. Remove tape
4. Profit

It comes off clean and leaves no residue behind. Do NOT use masking tape.

Prepuce of Doom · October 24, 2020

If you don't already follow Dave (@iowahawkblog) on Twitter, you should. Every Saturday morning he puts his encyclopedic knowledge of old cars to use in identifying the cars from old family photos. It's a nice little thing to peruse while waking up.

Thought this one was worth sharing.

Click tweet (*edit - if you can; seems like it's not embedding properly for whatever reason) for this week's thread, but I'm also adding the larger versions of these photos here, too.

https://twitter.com/iowahawkblog/status/1319965711675068416?s=19

Edited October 24, 2020 by Prepuce of Doom

Mother mopar · October 24, 2020

Another reason Mopar killed it back in the day...outrageous colors.

Onboard 2.0 · October 24, 2020

6 minutes ago, Mother mopar said:

Another reason Mopar killed it back in the day...outrageous colors.

Meh, they were plum craaaaazeeeee.....

AUinHsv · October 24, 2020

Lemon twist with a mod power vinyl roof. Everything was wild/bold/mod then. Kinda surprised no one came out with Leisure Suit Lime or something like that.

Edited October 24, 2020 by AUinHsv

Mother mopar · October 24, 2020

I'll be headed to the Florida Mopar Association car show next month. I'll be sure to snap some good pictures and contribute to the craziness of colors.

TexasEd · October 25, 2020

6 hours ago, AUinHsv said:

Lemon twist with a mod power vinyl roof. Everything was wild/bold/mod then. Kinda surprised no one came out with Leisure Suit Lime or something like that.

sublime and limelight

orange crush

TexasEd · October 25, 2020

double

Edited October 25, 2020 by TexasEd

TexasEd · October 25, 2020

triple

Edited October 25, 2020 by TexasEd

Anastasis · October 25, 2020

Progress on the radio. And deep burnt orange looks like a winner, imo.

Onboard 2.0 · October 25, 2020

1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

Progress on the radio. And deep burnt orange looks like a winner, imo.

The push buttons on that thing are heavier than the valve covers on a 2016 Ford Focus

Prepuce of Doom · October 25, 2020

Took a day trip down to my stepmom's house last weekend to take another step towards getting my mom's '71 Skylark convertible out of storage and up to my garage. Both of my parents are deceased and I've inherited the car - we're on good terms with my dad's second wife who is essentially the Doomlet's grandmother, and she's been gracious about letting me store it in her garage for the time being. However, it came at a cost - field mice made it a home two winters ago, thanks in no small part to the bounty of snacks my dad left in the car. Peanut butter cheese crackers in the glove box, granola bars in the trunk, and plenty of nesting materials in the form of blankets, etc.

I posted pictures of the first discovery of the mouse problem back when it happened, but in my efforts to get it cleaned out, it overheated while driving it around town. Casual inspection showed evidence of previous overheating issues based on existing water stains and drips in the passenger footwell, and I now suspect that the flat of bottled water in the trunk was my dad's idea of how to deal with the problem instead of having it fixed. He was not mechanically inclined, and generally eschewed normal routine maintenance whenever possible and justifiable in his mind - this was enough of a character trait of his that the topic came up in more than one eulogy...

I'm pretty sure that the mice wrought havoc with the heater core, so I'm going to have to have it trailered up from central Illinois to my house in Chicago. We had intended to get it up here this spring, but alas...

So last weekend I went down there to clean out any remaining mouse shitpiss, close up the roof, and get it more or less ready to be brought up here this spring. I don't plan on sinking much money into it (address overheating, confirm brakes are reliable, have it detailed, and fix any other safety-critical bullshit that the mice have fucked up), and it's not really an ideal car for my location (half city, half suburban), circumstances (Mrs. Doom is intimidated by driving such a large vehicle, and the Doomlet still requires a car seat), or driving style (fast and aggressive), and the safety features are non-existent - shitty old lap belts. Nevertheless, I am not quite ready to let go of it, and I think I need to drive it for a few summers before I am ready to make it just a memory...

Edited October 25, 2020 by Prepuce of Doom

Mother mopar · October 25, 2020

Fucking mice, damn things eat and chew everything! The car looks good, I like it.

Onboard 2.0 · October 25, 2020

58 minutes ago, Prepuce of Doom said:

Took a day trip down to my stepmom's house last weekend to take another step towards getting my mom's '71 Skylark convertible out of storage and up to my garage. Both of my parents are deceased and I've inherited the car - we're on good terms with my dad's second wife who is essentially the Doomlet's grandmother, and she's been gracious about letting me store it in her garage for the time being. However, it came at a cost - field mice made it a home two winters ago, thanks in no small part to the bounty of snacks my dad left in the car. Peanut butter cheese crackers in the glove box, granola bars in the trunk, and plenty of nesting materials in the form of blankets, etc.

I posted pictures of the first discovery of the mouse problem back when it happened, but in my efforts to get it cleaned out, it overheated while driving it around town. Casual inspection showed evidence of previous overheating issues based on existing water stains and drips in the passenger footwell, and I now suspect that the flat of bottled water in the trunk was my dad's idea of how to deal with the problem instead of having it fixed. He was not mechanically inclined, and generally eschewed normal routine maintenance whenever possible and justifiable in his mind - this was enough of a character trait of his that the topic came up in more than one eulogy...

I'm pretty sure that the mice wrought havoc with the heater core, so I'm going to have to have it trailered up from central Illinois to my house in Chicago. We had intended to get it up here this spring, but alas...

So last weekend I went down there to clean out any remaining mouse shitpiss, close up the roof, and get it more or less ready to be brought up here this spring. I don't plan on sinking much money into it (address overheating, confirm brakes are reliable, have it detailed, and fix any other safety-critical bullshit that the mice have fucked up), and it's not really an ideal car for my location (half city, half suburban), circumstances (Mrs. Doom is intimidated by driving such a large vehicle, and the Doomlet still requires a car seat), or driving style (fast and aggressive), and the safety features are non-existent - shitty old lap belts. Nevertheless, I am not quite ready to let go of it, and I think I need to drive it for a few summers before I am ready to make it just a memory...

It's just the top, and mine is never up cause I ain't driving in the rain in a convertible. Does cause problems when you do wanna put it up cause it doesn't wanna extend enough to catch the top pillar holes.

tbone_ · October 25, 2020

Great car. Enjoy.

I never drive with the top up on my Firebird but I do keep the top up in the garage to keep it stretched for the reason mentioned by onboard above.

Onboard 2.0 · October 25, 2020

2 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

Great car. Enjoy.

I never drive with the top up on my Firebird but I do keep the top up in the garage to keep it stretched for the reason mentioned by onboard above.

Yeah I'm doing that now for those emergency situations

Prepuce of Doom · October 25, 2020

Yeah, I'm not too broken up about the top, though in addition to the corner near the rear window, there's also a small hole in the center.

I don't ever intend to put the roof on it except in an emergency, and probably won't ever drive it on a day when the weather is even close to rain. It's a relatively new top, and while it's been a challenge to latch down for as long as the car has been in our family (1982 or 83? For some reason, it had already been restored when we got it - don't exactly know the provenance...) but I had such a hard time putting it on last week that I had to confirm with my stepmom that it definitely closed after being refinished. We eventually got it down, but it is now definitely a two-person job when it wasn't previously.

I'm sure it's probably on tires that are 20 years old, the state of the brakes is probably a true hazard, and I'm sure there is at least another $5-10k of immediately obvious work that it needs here and there (the paint has hideous "touch ups" here and there that I wouldn't be shocked to discover are actually Wite Out), but dad thought it was more important to have a newer roof for the once-every-five-years phenomenon of possibly getting caught out in the rain.

It's been grossly mistreated over the years, but I guess that will make it easier for me to actually drive it and not have to worry too much about parking it, every little rock chip, etc.

Prepuce of Doom · October 25, 2020

I almost forgot the most exciting thing - my dad had a Shart Kit stashed in the trunk. A nearly full set of clothes, and some asswipes.

I say "nearly full" because it had no underwear, and only one sock in the kit.

Edited October 25, 2020 by Prepuce of Doom

RMac5 · October 25, 2020

That is all kind of cool. Sorry about the rodents, they tear up everything. Enjoy the resto.

Chad Fuck · October 26, 2020

I almost forgot the most exciting thing - my dad had a Shart Kit stashed in the trunk. A nearly full set of clothes, and some asswipes.
I say "nearly full" because it had no underwear, and only one sock in the kit.

He thought of everything!

Seriously the palate of water thing makes me chuckle. I had a cousin that was exactly the same. He’d work overtime to jerry rig some weird solution to a minor problem, which inevitably became a major problem, but wouldn’t spend the five minutes of preventive care necessary to avoid the whole situation. God bless him wherever he is.

Found these today. Thought y’all would appreciate them:

Horn of Gabriel · October 26, 2020

On 10/24/2020 at 10:53 AM, Prepuce of Doom said:

If you don't already follow Dave (@iowahawkblog) on Twitter, you should. Every Saturday morning he puts his encyclopedic knowledge of old cars to use in identifying the cars from old family photos. It's a nice little thing to peruse while waking up.

Thought this one was worth sharing.

Click tweet (*edit - if you can; seems like it's not embedding properly for whatever reason) for this week's thread, but I'm also adding the larger versions of these photos here, too.

https://twitter.com/iowahawkblog/status/1319965711675068416?s=19

The funny thing about the Paint Chip Cuda is that it apparently never really existed. The marketing department did that picture but it was never a real car, until a few years ago this guy goes and actually builds it. I think it would have looked better if he did the whole car IMO.

TexasEd · October 27, 2020

@Prepuce of Doom

My dad did a lot of the same things yours did. Instead of replacing the old trunk weather stripping he would put wadded up rags in the trunk wells and kept refrigerant and power steering fluid in the trunk instead of fixing leaks. He never did any performance work or replace the worn ball joints and bushings but he put an ugly chrome dress up kit valve covers on the engine.

Luckily he saved the original ones in the trunk and I restored them and the air cleaner. Air Cleaner is about $300 to replace.

He also carried are shart kit in the car.

I like your plan, make it safe and fun to drive on weekends. I replaced my suspension, steering and installed front disc brakes and not much else.

Those are the biggest ROI in my opinion.

Prepuce of Doom · October 27, 2020

Sounds like our dads went to the same school of misplaced priorities, stubborn refusal to acknowledge inconvenient truths, and determined foolishness.

His anti-squirrel birdfeeder modifications would make Rube Goldberg laugh at the absurdity...

Anastasis · October 28, 2020

Shart kit actually sounds like it should be standard equipment.

Got some progress photos on the radio. Looks like this thing is pretty close to done to me. Note proper date code F8TBZ in second pic.

Anastasis · October 28, 2020

Before pic for contrast. It was a pretty good donor chassis to start with.

Edited October 28, 2020 by Anastasis

tbone_ · October 28, 2020

I want an 8 track player for my Firebird. And a Foghat 8 track

Onboard 2.0 · October 28, 2020

2 hours ago, tbone_ said:

I want an 8 track player for my Firebird. And a Foghat 8 track

Where the 4 channels all change right in the middle of the songs ? Always hated 8 tracks. Big, bulky, and albums would invariably have that channel change in the middle of a song or two.

deadshank · October 28, 2020

7 hours ago, tbone_ said:

I want an 8 track player for my Firebird. And a Foghat 8 track

Is Columbia House still in business?

tbone_ · October 28, 2020

Where the 4 channels all change right in the middle of the songs ? Always hated 8 tracks. Big, bulky, and albums would invariably have that channel change in the middle of a song or two.

Yes. That’s exactly what I want.

Onboard 2.0 · October 28, 2020

8 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

Yes. That’s exactly what I want.

Well alrighty then

Edited October 28, 2020 by Onboard 2.0

Armybrat · October 28, 2020

9 hours ago, tbone_ said:

I want an 8 track player for my Firebird. And a Foghat 8 track

And a leisure suit to drive around in.

tbone_ · October 28, 2020

And a leisure suit to drive around in.

Better

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