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MissingInAction
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I remember the good ole shaggy days when a few posters were convinced I was a psychopathic murderer. Boy they felt so silly that they stopped posting and disappeared entirely.

Goredho
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We all know how this is going to end.

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1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

There's a 97% chance that this set of killings is solved by some obsessed weirdos who are WAY into true-crime shit.  With an attendant 96% chance that at first, they identify the wrong person as a suspect, and ruin his/her life.   Then, after months of insisting the perpetrator was person X, one of them will realize they missed something obvious, and it's actually person Y.  And coming with all of this is the attendant 99% chance that APD never even tries to connect any of these killings, instead devoting all of their efforts to new contract negotiations and berating the citizens for not loving them enough.

Yeah, that all seems about right.

Prince Harry is the Rainey Street Ripper?

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1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

Yeah, I was living in Florida in the early 90s and they had some serial killers near Daytona Beach and in the Gainesville area, and the authorities struggled to figure it out, and people were losing their minds and lashing out at police and politicians, and the mayors/county officials were lashing out at each other and the police, etc.

I am not sure what happened or if the police discovered exactly what was going on and what the point of the murders were because the murders stopped after I moved out-of-state and everybody was then talking about Iraq/Kuwait, etc., but I heard that Charlize Theron was in a movie about somebody they pinned the murders on.

Uh...

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I’ve never been on Rainey street. Some people are saying this wasn’t a problem before because the south end of the street by the water never really had bars on it until recently. Still, this many people all wandering drunk or drugged into there seems unlikely. At least some of them probably, but not all.

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6 hours ago, Nicole44 said:

I very rarely hit downtown. Plus, I was out of town for the February drowning. And was no where near downtown Friday night. Lol…

I was thinking about the rumors that men were drugged. Most of the bodies were found days later and horribly decomposed and exposed to all the shit in that lake. This last one though from Friday night I’d look for an injection point. Social media wondering why it appears like there was no trauma or evidence of defensive wounds or fighting back. The only thing I can think of is a paralytic. Something that would almost immediately paralyze you. 
 

Succinylcholine is a depolarizing muscle relaxant that has been used for rapid sequence induction and for procedures requiring only a brief duration of muscle relaxation since the late 1950s. The drug, however, has serious side effects and a significant number of contraindications.
 

This drug will not show up in a toxicology Screen or tests because it degrades rapidly. And unless you know what you are looking for (think an immediate discovery of a person) and you test specifically for that you aren’t going To find anything. There were a couple of Forensic
Files on that. Nevada State Controller Kathy Augustine was murdered by her husband who was a nurse with the drug back in 2008. But I think you’d have to work at a medical facility or
something similar to get access to something like that now. Just a thought. 

Anectine (succinylcholine) needs to be done via IV for it to be fast acting (within 1 minute or so for adults). It can also be done IM (intra muscular) but the onset of action takes longer and you'd have to give up to 3-4 mg per Kg (up to 150 mg) of the patient's (victim's) weight and it would still take 2-3 minutes, maybe longer for it to take effect. Not trying to be a smartass but...."Dude, How much you weigh? In kilograms please..."

Doubt there wouldn't be signs of struggle after also being poked with a needle. Unless of course they are all consenting to sharing needles for a drug fix. It's not a scheduled controlled medicine, but it's also not available OTC at HEB. Gonna have to be a Dexter, medical field, or similar if someone is/are using suxx on the unsuspecting.

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8 minutes ago, BillyGoatHill said:

Anectine (succinylcholine) needs to be done via IV for it to be fast acting (within 1 minute or so for adults). It can also be done IM (intra muscular) but the onset of action takes longer and you'd have to give up to 3-4 mg per Kg (up to 150 mg) of the patient's (victim's) weight and it would still take 2-3 minutes, maybe longer for it to take effect. Not trying to be a smartass but...."Dude, How much you weigh? In kilograms please..."

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‘Where’d you learn that, Gacy? Murder school?’

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5 hours ago, Deej said:

Are all the deceased tech bros? If so, I'll allow it. We need a few more active serial killers working different areas of town. 

We need to pull all police presence looking for this killer out of the Domain area. I repeat. The Domain area is wide open. 

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20 hours ago, Goredho said:

Don’t f*ck with hipsters

 

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Group now up to 14k….I think something like 2000 plus joined yesterday alone…I’m not on the FB anymore so if anyone is a part of this group and would like to share whatever is being discussed that would be cool. 🤘🏼

 

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6 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

Group now up to 14k….I think something like 2000 plus joined yesterday alone…I’m not on the FB anymore so if anyone is a part of this group and would like to share whatever is being discussed that would be cool. 🤘🏼

 

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Come on, @Nicole44.  This is your shot at the show.

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2 hours ago, Grade of D as in David said:

Uh...

1 hour ago, blacklab said:

atomheartbevo and billygoathill are 1,2 on my suspect list

I was way too young to have pulled those Florida murders off - cops would have caught me at the scene of the first one.  The highway murders were dudes looking to get laid so not my thing, and the Gainesville guy was begging to be caught - he left an actual trail of evidence (including a bank robbery and telling people that he was going to stab people) and he left a victim alive.  Plus I'm in a couple of DNA databases so I'd be caught fast.

These Town Lake murders though......now if it was just hipsters or brogrammers.....

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The cops should probably be looking for a guy who thinks he's the smartest guy in the world, who has been in Texas on and off over the last 5-10 years, and who is going through one helluva an expensive midlife crisis, and who has a strong meme game.

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5 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

There's a 97% chance that this set of killings is solved by some obsessed weirdos who are WAY into true-crime shit.  With an attendant 96% chance that at first, they identify the wrong person as a suspect, and ruin his/her life.   Then, after months of insisting the perpetrator was person X, one of them will realize they missed something obvious, and it's actually person Y.  And coming with all of this is the attendant 99% chance that APD never even tries to connect any of these killings, instead devoting all of their efforts to new contract negotiations and berating the citizens for not loving them enough.

Yeah, that all seems about right.

That's a lot of words to say "Nicole"

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12 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

 

These Town Lake murders though......now if it was just hipsters or brogrammers.....

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The cops should probably be looking for a guy who thinks he's the smartest guy in the world, who has been in Texas on and off over the last 5-10 years, and who is going through one helluva an expensive midlife crisis, and who has a strong meme game.

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28 minutes ago, Goredho said:

Come on, @Nicole44.  This is your shot at the show.

If I had to put money on anybody in this thread being the Servant Girl Annihilator it'd be armybrat the Town Lake Drowner (Dunker?), my money is on Nicole.  She could lure these men away to their deaths, she is fascinated by it, and I think she's watched enough crime dramas to cover a lot of the potential pitfalls.  Plus female serial killers seem better at covering up their crimes, and their patterns seem to vary more (at least according to the 5 minute YouTube video I watched a few years ago). 

And female serial killers don't spray their DNA all over the place.  I read an article a while back that said it's possible more potential serial killers are being caught earlier in their would-be serial killing spree thanks to DNA, so going forward, we may not see as many "splashy" serial killers just because their spree is cut short.

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But my money is also on Nicole solving it if she's not the killer.

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1 minute ago, atomheartbevo said:

If I had to put money on anybody in this thread being the Servant Girl Annihilator it'd be armybrat the Town Lake Drowner (Dunker?), my money is on Nicole.  She could lure these men away to their deaths, she is fascinated by it, and I think she's watched enough crime dramas to cover a lot of the potential pitfalls.  Plus female serial killers seem better at covering up their crimes, and their patterns seem to vary more (at least according to the 5 minute YouTube video I watched a few years ago). 

And female serial killers don't spray their DNA all over the place.  I read an article a while back that said it's possible more potential serial killers are being caught earlier in their would-be serial killing spree thanks to DNA, so going forward, we may not see as many "splashy" serial killer just because their spree is cut short.

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But my money is also on Nicole solving it if she's not the killer.

Maybe she committed the murders so she could solve them?  Think about it, armed with the first hand knowledge of the murderer, odds would be well in her favor to be able to crack the case.

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I thought @Armybratwas the servant girl annihilator. In all fairness though ever since TxTow I rule no one out. But my being in Atlanta on a lot of key dates cancels me out? Lol. I am fascinated by true crime though. I’ve probably watched all the shows by this point. Tonite is a pretty big night in Austin with the CMT awards at Moody. big crowds and lots of people will be out and about. When I did go downtown to drink (sober since April 24, 2022) I mainly stuck to the really cool rooftop bars or swanky hotel ones…but I don’t go downtown much anymore.

at any rate, if there is a Rainey Street Ripper or whatever this person likely wants recognition for his/her/their work. They don’t want to get caught but they do want credit for what they are doing. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if another man went missing in the next few days or weeks in the similar pattern. If there is a serial killer then they likely are ticked off that there has been no connection made authorities (that they have made public) just small news stories and social media sites speculating. Unless it’s a group of people drugging and robbing people…

If it’s a lone person…they would want media recognition and recognition from authorities. I do follow a lot of profilers and this is what they say at any rate. 

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5 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Look, I just need some clear direction on who to kill, okay?

 

 

Allegedly.

Christ on a cracker, do I have to do eerrrything for you?

1. find late 20 something paddleboarder dude as a mark

2. follow said paddleboarder to Rainey St.

3. slip mickey

4. then ask if he can show you some cool paddleboard moves down by the lake.  you tell him that that is where you park YOUR paddleboard.

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13 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

Speaking of the CMT awards that weather lady is talking in the corner part of the screen over the actual telecast and you can hear both the singing and her but she won’t shut the fuck up. 

I’ve been watching. I’d easily drown a drunk tourist in Town Lake to get her off the damn TV.

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5 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

 

I am not sure what happened or if the police discovered exactly what was going on and what the point of the murders were because the murders stopped after I moved out-of-state and everybody was then talking about Iraq/Kuwait, etc., but I heard that Charlize Theron was in a movie about somebody they pinned the murders on.


sounds like you got away with it !

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7 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

Are the approx times of death all late night and then found in daylight or?  Are the same technicians who process the rape kits also processing these toxicology reports?  Cause it’s taking way too fucking long.  

Late at night is when the drowning victims disappeared. Other than the drowning victim from 3/31/23 who was found the next day the bodies were not found for several days after they were reported missing. Here is a flier from the February 2023 victim. I believe the body was found on Valentine’s Day last month. 
 

There are theories about this crime having a sexual component. I don’t know if there was an ability to get much off these other victims but they damn sure can get stuff off the one that went missing Friday night. He was found so quickly. Which I think is the only time of the 7 ones (the ones that fit the specific pattern even though there are about 2 or 3 more that could be connected) was found that fast. 
 

Flier from the guy who went missing in February 2023 (all of the men have dark hair and are between 20-40 years of age I think): 

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Just now, Helobious said:

If that guy was last seen walking towards the lake he probably really did just fall or jump in. Don’t think a killer is behind all of these deaths.

Not all of the drownings are going to be connected so yeah. But a lot of weak swimmers…

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Again some of these may or may not be related but what I have compiled so far:

1.   June 5, 2015, Julio Santos, age 22 (found five days later in lake) was out with friends and was a UNT grad and originally from Kyle. He was last seen at a food truck on 6th and Red Street but found in the lake and no one knows how he got that far. 
Possibly unrelated. 
 

2. Christian Pugh, age 21, found alive but with incapacitating and life altering injuries. Was missing from 1:37 am on 11/19/19 and found 60 hours later in the south side of the lake a 5 minute drive. He was seen last on Rainey Street at the Container Bar. They can’t  obviously ask him what happened. Bc he was too badly injured. 
 

3. Martin Gutierrez: 11/19/2018, age 25,  went missing after a night out at Rainey Street with friends. His body was found in the lake on 11/26/2018. Autopsy said death by accidental drowning but had blunt force trauma to his head and severe bruising. He was a recent Texas Tech graduate from Big Spring Texas and recently had moved to Austin. Toxicology found alcohol but no prescription drugs. He had gone to the Lustre Pearl and purchased one drink according to those with him and his bank records and then went with the group to the Alibi. The bartenders at the Alibi refused to serve him bc he was acting intoxicated and very strange. He parted with the group at 1:15 am to find a ride home. Last seen on a camera at Holly Street near Rainey Street. Also according to family and friends Martin was a very strong/good swimmer. 

we know about the last two from 2023. It’s harder to find information on some of the men but some of these could be connected and some may not be. There are more obviously but I am struggling to find more information.

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13 minutes ago, HRSchenker said:

The Austin American-Statesman posted the killer's cipher this evening....

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So it's this guy?  It doesn't look like Town Lake, but he doesn't look like he's fishing.....  I was really hoping it would be CJK5H because that would be a fitting tribute to Mike Leach, to have James finally busted.

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On serious note, if you all haven't read up on the Zodiac Killer's last ciper being cracked, you really should:

https://www.wired.com/story/zodiac-killers-cipher-finally-cracked-after-51-years/

A few years ago, a Virginian, an Aussie, and a Fleming got together and cracked it after 51 years.  Had to write a specialized app, and it was one of those weird quirks where the right people came together to solve something crazy.

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1 hour ago, Laxtonto said:

I am guessing my hanging low and really not engaging in on this is paying off…

Well....you would be worried if you knew that right now, at the ChatGPT headquarters, some Microsoft employee is looking at some display that shows trends, and he's seeing "Rainey Street" "serial killer" "Lake in Austin" etc. and so it's probably just a matter of time before you're nailed.

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Leaning more to a group of people drugging dudes to steal shit.  Some just get so fucked up that walk into the lake and drown.  Been happening in austin for years, especially dirty sixth, but now the bars are closer to the water than before.    Or they moved into those bars..

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