Texas vs Miami- Elite 8- 4:05pm on CBS

[chemHORN 1239]

5 minutes ago, Make em eat Taco Bell said:

Texas only hit 5 of their last 18 FG attempts. 

But how many FT's did they get on the missed one's?  Asking for a friend. 

[chemHORN 1239]

Anyone follow the refs to the Casino to see who had the Miami moneyline 2nd half bet?

[Had Enough 2056]

Brock had a clean box out, then the guy jumped over him, not straight up (that's laughable), and basically pulled the chair out from under brock. 

I am pretty certain this is correct. Notice where Brock ends up.

When you play physical, blocking out that physical guy requires more effort. Once he disengages Brock loses his balance. After 15 gave ground he then decides to jump.

[westexhorn 2006]

If Disu was healthy... what could have been...

[6th Street 6354]

Got no complaints. Lost our coach and best player and were right there at the end. 

Hopefully the days of the Barnes/Shaka first round losses are behind us. 

[dcar00 14028]

1 hour ago, chemHORN said:

8 fouls called in the first half.  29 called in the 2nd half.  Either they switched crews at halftime or the NCAA memo was received.  

2 NCAA tournaments in a row where the refs took over our game and paraded the opponent to a FT line win.

[dcar00 14028]

36 minutes ago, Slacks said:

So... For fuck's sake... Let's just not see it and it's not a foul. Like little kids and object permanence.

He didn't intentionally foul, but that doesn't make it not a foul. ust because he can't see what's happening, doesn't make it not a foul.

sometimes, hustling like you're supposed to results in a foul. It did.

 

It wasn't a foul on Brock.  they actually called it correctly first and the Miami player knew it.

[Pancho 44436]

39 minutes ago, Starscreacher said:

One of the refs from last years Purdue game also did this game.

Yes Ron Groover. He also reffed several of our big 12 games. Pat Adams reffed us the most and he was in thus game tonight 

[A’Dam Psycho 1469]

Some how I just knew it was gonna come down to officiating. I hate basketball 

[Burt 4062]

3 hours ago, Loop 1604 said:

CDC needs to carefully think about this next move. Beard wins this game by 20.

If Beard would have been able to pass up a couple of shots he would have still been our coach.

[Make em eat Taco Bell 1549]

so i made this gif, maybe we can tell what happened

 

if brock had just stood his ground instead of backing 6-7 steps on the dude, Texas would get the call.

Edited March 27, 2023 by Make em eat Taco Bell

[Slacks 6791]

36 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

It wasn't a foul on Brock.  they actually called it correctly first and the Miami player knew it.

He "knew" it because they called it on him.

Look, it's kinda ticky tack, but it was right. Just because one ref called it out way doesn't mean it's that way.

When I was watching, and the whistle blew, I thought it was against Cunningham on the clear out undercut, and I was pleasantly surprised it was on Omier.

[Monahorns 34]

When you are blocking out, like Brock had been doing since they were under the basket, and you don't feel the player any more you back up until you make contact again to make sure you re-establish the block out.  You don't stop.  Brock did what he was supposed to do.  It was a bad call and it probably cost the game.  

[Slacks 6791]

2 hours ago, Surly Bevo said:

He's backing up before he jumps

 

That is a foul on Cunningham. He doesn't even play the ball. He just keeps backiing into Omier.

Cunningham had Omier boxed out perfectly... We were going to have the rebound, but Cunningham kept moving/falling backward. 

this is not the play that lost the game. this is a hustle play home awry.

 

 

[Slacks 6791]

Just now, Monahorns said:

When you are blocking out, like Brock had been doing since they were under the basket, and you don't feel the player any more you back up until you make contact again to make sure you re-establish the block out.  You don't stop.  Brock did what he was supposed to do.  It was a bad call and it probably cost the game.  

He did what he was supposed to do... And created a foul. The call was right. Brock didn't fail to do his job. It just had a negative result. 

Shit like this happens in every game. A really good hustle play results in a foul.

[Monahorns 34]

How can you tell someone hasn't played any basketball, or at least well, without them saying it.

[Slacks 6791]

Just now, Monahorns said:

How can you tell someone hasn't played any basketball, or at least well, without them saying it.

Because they think it's ok to back over or under a defender, moving 5 ft from original position, in the name of boxing out, and it's 'over the back'?

You do not get to be a pulling guard to box out.

5 minutes ago, Monahorns said:

When you are blocking out, like Brock had been doing since they were under the basket, and you don't feel the player any more you back up until you make contact again to make sure you re-establish the block out.  You don't stop.  Brock did what he was supposed to do.  It was a bad call and it probably cost the game.  

When do you stop?

[Firemans4Horn 17823]

2 minutes ago, Slacks said:

Because they think it's ok to back over or under a defender, moving 5 ft from original position, in the name of boxing out, and it's 'over the back'?

You do not get to be a pulling guard to box out.

Yes you do. 
 

mitchell probably has 4 “over the back” foul calls in this tournament that were way less over the back than the Miami player on this play. 

[Monahorns 34]

6 minutes ago, Slacks said:

When do you stop?

 

When you re-establish contact, which Brock did.  He didn't feel contact until the guy falls on his back basically.  It was a bad call.  Probably should have been a no-call.  Definitely should not have been an overturned call.  But when refs are busy tilting a game unashamedly they are busy tilting a game unashamedly.

[Slacks 6791]

9 minutes ago, Firemans4Horn said:

Yes you do. 
 

mitchell probably has 4 “over the back” foul calls in this tournament that were way less over the back than the Miami player on this play. 

Cunningham started under the basket and landed outside the 3pt line. A person shooting a free throw would have ended up on his back.

Edited March 27, 2023 by Slacks
Swypo

[Slacks 6791]

1 minute ago, Monahorns said:

 

When you re-establish contact, which Brock did.  He didn't feel contact until the guy falls on his back basically.  It was a bad call.  Probably should have been a no-call.  Definitely should not have been an overturned call.  But when refs are busy tilting a game unashamedly they are busy tilting a game unashamedly.

We agree on when the movement should stop.

Now watch the video again. 

Look where they are when they 're-establish contact' and tell me when Cunningham's feet stop moving... Cunningham walks himself from inside the restricted area and ends up falling backward onto the 3pt line. 

[victory88 5654]

Every tournament team that makes it far has elite guard play.  Once Carr and Rice got dinged up, it was going to be hard to overcome the shift in momentum.  Those two carried this team quite a bit during the season when we needed people to score.  In those last 10 minutes, they looked gassed and gimpy.  
 

This was the most fun I’ve had watching Texas bball in 15 years.  Props to players and the coaching staff considering what they has to overcome.

Let’s keep building this thing and make a run next year.

[Monahorns 34]

4 minutes ago, Slacks said:

We agree on when the movement should stop.

Now watch the video again. 

Look where they are when they 're-establish contact' and tell me when Cunningham's feet stop moving... Cunningham walks himself from inside the restricted area and ends up falling backward onto the 3pt line. 

 

I watched it over and over again.  Brock didn't foul the guy.  Omire kept giving ground and then jump over Brock's back.  Brock kept moving back to keep contact.   It was a bad call.  You don't have to simp for refs when your team gets hosed.

[TotallyLegit 3050]

Rule 4 - Section 30 . Article 2

To establish or maintain legal rebounding position, a player shall not:

b. Extend either or both arms or elbows, fully or partially, in a position other than vertical so that the freedom of movement of an opponent is hindered when contact with any of these body parts occurs.

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d. Violate the principle of verticality (a player is entitled to his/her space that is occupied, plus all vertical space above that player).

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Omier committed a foul in two different ways before Cunningham could commit a foul. The first action occurred when Omier pushed Cunningham into the restricted area. Not only was his second action a foul despite endangering himself more than Cunningham, but he endangered himself because it was a foul. If he had merely jumped vertically in his own vertical space rather than into Cunningham's vertical space, he would have fallen more safely, if at all. This seems like a clear example of refs misapplying the rules because they don't want to catch heat for calling a foul on the player who is more endangered, even if he put himself in that danger. To those arguing, "the refs always call it this way", then they're always calling it wrong. Also, read some David Hume.

[A’Dam Psycho 1469]

24 minutes ago, Slacks said:

He did what he was supposed to do... And created a foul. The call was right. Brock didn't fail to do his job. It just had a negative result. 

Shit like this happens in every game. A really good hustle play results in a foul.

How do you foul with your back bro? That either over the back or no call

[Slacks 6791]

9 minutes ago, Monahorns said:

 

I watched it over and over again.  Brock didn't foul the guy.  Omire kept giving ground and then jump over Brock's back.  Brock kept moving back to keep contact.   It was a bad call.  You don't have to simp for refs when your team gets hosed.

I'm really just on about this one play and our play (dead legs late).

I try not to bitch about refs, even when I see them fucking up.

Make a few more shots and the refs can't steal. Play a little bit better defense in the lane and the refs can't steal.

We played great until 8 minutes.

It's over now. Next season starts soon.

 

 

[Pancho 44436]

15 minutes ago, Monahorns said:

 

I watched it over and over again.  Brock didn't foul the guy.  Omire kept giving ground and then jump over Brock's back.  Brock kept moving back to keep contact.   It was a bad call.  You don't have to simp for refs when your team gets hosed.

That’s where Brock fucked up. You can’t do that.

[Slacks 6791]

8 minutes ago, A’Dam Psycho said:

How do you foul with your back bro? That either over the back or no call

What?!

Is your argument, "yeah, he did all that, but with his back instead of his front."

So you can just run at a guy, spin around, jump into him with your back and it's a no call or 'over the back' against the other guy?

Where in the book does it say, "except when not facing the opposing player?"

Don't let being disappointed make you irrational and unable to think clearly.

 

I have no idea why I'm going in on this....

[Monahorns 34]

3 minutes ago, Slacks said:

I'm really just on about this one play and our play (dead legs late).

I try not to bitch about refs, even when I see them fucking up.

Make a few more shots and the refs can't steal. Play a little bit better defense in the lane and the refs can't steal.

We played great until 8 minutes.

It's over now. Next season starts soon.

 

I agree on that.  Texas seemed to lack energy down the stretch.  Defense got some bad calls but also wasn't as tenacious as before.  On offense, they lost composure with several turnovers, didn't run the offense, and poor shot selection.

[TexasGolf 4855]

45 minutes ago, Make em eat Taco Bell said:

so i made this gif, maybe we can tell what happened

 

if brock had just stood his ground instead of backing 6-7 steps on the dude, Texas would get the call.

If he stood his ground the ball would have gone over his head. He was in position and the guy falling over him caused him to stumble back more 

[Monahorns 34]

2 minutes ago, Pancho said:

That’s where Brock fucked up. You can’t do that.

 

Good to know.  Let's play some pick up.  If you box me out I am going to back up and jump on your back then call you for foul.  Easy win.

[A’Dam Psycho 1469]

Idk, maybe I’m an idiot but what I’m seeing

Shot goes up

Brock turns to face basket

Miami player pushes Brock in the back to create space and then jumps after creating space

Brock then backs up to reestablish contact not knowing at this point that Miami player is airborne

Miami player who is airborne falls on top on Brock. 
 

this very much seems like a no call to me but whatever 

 

[A’Dam Psycho 1469]

5 minutes ago, Pancho said:

That’s where Brock fucked up. You can’t do that.

You can’t back up?

[Slacks 6791]

16 minutes ago, TotallyLegit said:

Rule 4 - Section 30 . Article 2

To establish or maintain legal rebounding position, a player shall not:

b. Extend either or both arms or elbows, fully or partially, in a position other than vertical so that the freedom of movement of an opponent is hindered when contact with any of these body parts occurs.

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d. Violate the principle of verticality (a player is entitled to his/her space that is occupied, plus all vertical space above that player).

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Omier committed a foul in two different ways before Cunningham could commit a foul. The first action occurred when Omier pushed Cunningham into the restricted area. Not only was his second action a foul despite endangering himself more than Cunningham, but he endangered himself because it was a foul. If he had merely jumped vertically in his own vertical space rather than into Cunningham's vertical space, he would have fallen more safely, if at all. This seems like a clear example of refs misapplying the rules because they don't want to catch heat for calling a foul on the player who is more endangered, even if he put himself in that danger. To those arguing, "the refs always call it this way", then they're always calling it wrong. Also, read some David Hume.

First picture is absolutely a foul on Omier. Unfortunately, it never gets called unless the inside guy falls forward (or flops).

That isn't the foul that was called and that's not the foul anyone is completing about on this thread. 

[Make em eat Taco Bell 1549]

2 minutes ago, TexasGolf said:

If he stood his ground the ball would have gone over his head. He was in position and the guy falling over him caused him to stumble back more 

brock should have stopped backing up at the point where the ball would have landed on the ground, but he kept going 3-5 extra steps which produced bad optics and the Undercut , the refs had to protect the safety of the miami guy.  Had brock just stayed at step 2-3 and not done steps 4-8, we win the game. 

[TexasGolf 4855]

1 minute ago, Make em eat Taco Bell said:

brock should have stopped backing up at the point where the ball would have landed on the ground, but he kept going 3-5 extra steps which produced bad optics and the Undercut , the refs had to protect the safety of the miami guy.  Had brock just stayed at step 2-3 and not done steps 4-8, we win the game. 

The ball was going that direction.  I would agree if the ball was going straight down but it wasn’t 

[Make em eat Taco Bell 1549]

 

this is the exact point where brock should have stopped backing up. Omir would not have the ball as he mistimed the jump too early and the ball would have just fallen into brocks hands.  But brock was the energizer bunny and kept going and going , foolish mistake. 

[Slacks 6791]

7 minutes ago, TexasGolf said:

If he stood his ground the ball would have gone over his head. He was in position and the guy falling over him caused him to stumble back more 

1. The ball fell several feet in front of him. (Not relevant, though.)

 2. You acknowledge he didn't stand his ground and is moving backwards. That's where the foul occurs.

 

Edited March 27, 2023 by Slacks
I suck

[Make em eat Taco Bell 1549]

Just now, TexasGolf said:

The ball was going that direction.  I would agree if the ball was going straight down but it wasn’t 

actually , the pic i just posted (from the other post) shows not.  Brock went crazy withthe backup and cost Texas the possession. 

[A’Dam Psycho 1469]

8 minutes ago, Slacks said:

What?!

Is your argument, "yeah, he did all that, but with his back instead of his front."

So you can just run at a guy, spin around, jump into him with your back and it's a no call or 'over the back' against the other guy?

Where in the book does it say, "except when not facing the opposing player?"

Don't let being disappointed make you irrational and unable to think clearly.

 

I have no idea why I'm going in on this....

So riddle me this. If I’m a player and I’m just randomly backing up somewhere on the court away from the play and the opponent decides to run behind me and just jump and he crashes to the floor, that’s a foul on me right? According to your logic

[Monahorns 34]

4 minutes ago, Make em eat Taco Bell said:

brock should have stopped backing up at the point where the ball would have landed on the ground, but he kept going 3-5 extra steps which produced bad optics and the Undercut , the refs had to protect the safety of the miami guy.  Had brock just stayed at step 2-3 and not done steps 4-8, we win the game. 

 

Or you know the miami guy could protect his own safety by not jumping into Brock.  But I get it Texas boards have to side with what Miami players want.

[Slacks 6791]

10 minutes ago, A’Dam Psycho said:

Idk, maybe I’m an idiot but what I’m seeing

Shot goes up

Brock turns to face basket

Miami player pushes Brock in the back to create space and then jumps after creating space

Brock then backs up to reestablish contact not knowing at this point that Miami player is airborne

Miami player who is airborne falls on top on Brock. 
 

this very much seems like a no call to me but whatever 

 

The first push is a foul.

Brock's foul is a foul... It's unlucky payoff for hustle, but a foul.

[Monahorns 34]

2 minutes ago, A’Dam Psycho said:

So riddle me this. If I’m a player and I’m just randomly backing up somewhere on the court away from the play and the opponent decides to run behind me and just jump and he crashes to the floor, that’s a foul on me right? According to your logic

Correct.  One player doesn't have to care about safety.  He can play as recklessly as possible.  But everyone else has to make sure the reckless player is safe.  Every rule has to be bent to one team getting 27 free throws in one half.

[UTEE97 3429]

1 hour ago, Make em eat Taco Bell said:

so i made this gif, maybe we can tell what happened

 

if brock had just stood his ground instead of backing 6-7 steps on the dude, Texas would get the call.

This. He finds a way to foul when there is absolutely no reason to do it. One or two steps would probably have been ok but he was intentionally trying to take the Miami player out instead of going for the rebound. I have seen him do this in other games too. When he has an opportunity to grab the rebound, he keeps pushing the other team's player back.

Edited March 27, 2023 by UTEE97

[TexasGolf 4855]

5 minutes ago, Make em eat Taco Bell said:

 

this is the exact point where brock should have stopped backing up. Omir would not have the ball as he mistimed the jump too early and the ball would have just fallen into brocks hands.  But brock was the energizer bunny and kept going and going , foolish mistake. 

Why the ball is still going out as it drops 

do you see how him riding his back caused him to stumble back more 

[Slacks 6791]

4 minutes ago, A’Dam Psycho said:

So riddle me this. If I’m a player and I’m just randomly backing up somewhere on the court away from the play and the opponent decides to run behind me and just jump and he crashes to the floor, that’s a foul on me right? According to your logic

Depends. Did the player establish a position or did he run into you?

But I was using YOUR logic that a back can't cause a foul. I wouldn't have said that craziness in the first place.

[Slacks 6791]

13 minutes ago, A’Dam Psycho said:

You can’t back up?

Have you ever seen a charge call?

Yes.

Did you ask, "You can't go forward?"

[Slacks 6791]

4 minutes ago, TexasGolf said:

Why the ball is still going out as it drops 

do you see how him riding his back caused him to stumble back more 

Why did he stumble back more?

[BurdineBandit 810]

1 hour ago, Slacks said:

He "knew" it because they called it on him.

Look, it's kinda ticky tack, but it was right. Just because one ref called it out way doesn't mean it's that way.

When I was watching, and the whistle blew, I thought it was against Cunningham on the clear out undercut, and I was pleasantly surprised it was on Omier.

Yep this argument that "even the Miami player thought he fouled out" is nothing. He thought he fouled out because he was looking directly at the ref who called it on him originally, not because he thought he committed a foul. 

[Slacks 6791]

5 minutes ago, Monahorns said:

Correct.  One player doesn't have to care about safety.  He can play as recklessly as possible.  But everyone else has to make sure the reckless player is safe.  Every rule has to be bent to one team getting 27 free throws in one half.

Wtf does thinking about safety have to do with this play?!

 

Why am I here?