Texas Basketball 2023-24

[Rockethorn1978 6101]

That sucks. Losing aj hurt. But wish we could have gotten some more given the roster turnover we were expecting.

[Hank_Hill 18893]

Losing 1 of 2 5 star commits to the pros hurts recruiting ranking. News at 10.

[shadow_operative 15932]

17 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

Losing 1 of 2 5 star commits to the pros hurts recruiting ranking. News at 10.

hurts our team as well, and is not a great sign considering that AJ had been tacitly (explicitly?) endorsing RT all season long.

[closetohumping 17455]

57 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

For a UT EE grad, an alleged entrepreneur who leads elite sales teams into corporate battle, you sure don't read very well.

I'm just glad your name isn't UTME87.

I lead sales teams too.  While I may have my opinion I’m not gonna pretend I’m an expert on basketball coaching.  RT did enough to win the job.  Now he has to do enough to keep it

[closetohumping 17455]

50 minutes ago, ztejas said:

It isn't just him. He has multiple people repping him too.

This is one of the more bizarre threads I've read on Surly. We have people grading RT on next season already in April after he just went further in the tourney than any coach has at Texas in 15 years. It's like no one knows how college basketball offseasons work. I didn't see anyone bagging on Chris Beard in April in 2021 because the roster wasn't finalized yet. 

RT just hung a couple numbers in the rafters - I think we can give him - I don't know, until the NBA draft?

He’s got till game three for me

[closetohumping 17455]

1 hour ago, UTEE97 said:

What the hell are you talking about? Fyi, I am a minority and have an accent. I was not picking on RT because of that. You can be from any background and still have charisma. Not everything is CR!

Which one are you in the picture?

[UTEE97 3522]

2 hours ago, closetohumping said:

I lead sales teams too.  While I may have my opinion I’m not gonna pretend I’m an expert on basketball coaching.  RT did enough to win the job.  Now he has to do enough to keep it

You are in sales? Congrats! I am not. No, I am not Elon (nobody is) but I do well. However, that's not pertinent to any of this discussion. Don't quote me any more please. I am not interested in engaging with RT fans. I was just exchanging posts with Derka when I got pulled into this argument.

Edited April 21, 2023 by UTEE97

[ztejas 43524]

2 minutes ago, UTEE97 said:

I am not interested in engaging with RT fans.

Then quit posting in this thread you stupid annoying fuck. 

[UTEE97 3522]

2 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Then quit posting in this thread you stupid annoying fuck. 

Fuck off idiot! You have an IQ of a teenager, yet you post all over these boards non stop like you have nothing to do all day. I have you on ignore. You should do the same.  

[Pancho 44880]

this thread right now =

 

 

then

 

 

then

 

 

 

then

 

 

then

 

 

 

then

 

 

then

 

 

 

then

 

 

then

 

 

 

then

 

 

[ztejas 43524]

7 minutes ago, UTEE97 said:

I have you on ignore.

I'm not sure you understand how that works. 

Also I'm pretty sure IQ is age adjusted. UT EE might need to shore up their admissions standards. 

Edited April 21, 2023 by ztejas

[closetohumping 17455]

21 minutes ago, UTEE97 said:

You are in sales? Congrats! I am not. No, I am not Elon (nobody is) but I do well but that's not the point of any of this discussion. Don't quote me any more please. I am not interested in engaging with RT fans. I was just exchanging posts with Derka when I got pulled into this argument.

You make it seem like being an RT fan is a bad thing. Yes, I root for him.  Which one are you in the picture again?  

Edited April 21, 2023 by closetohumping

[closetohumping 17455]

15 minutes ago, Pancho said:

this thread right now =

 

 

then

 

 

then

 

 

 

then

 

 

then

 

 

 

then

 

 

then

 

 

 

then

 

 

then

 

 

 

then

 

 

I disagree with you so I'm gonna neg bomb the fuck out of you!!! Now leave me alone you pro RT guy!!!  Yes, I know you're not one of us "pro RT" guys.  Just didn't know there was actually an anti-RT contingent.

[UTEE97 3522]

18 minutes ago, ztejas said:

I'm not sure you understand how that works. 

Also I'm pretty sure IQ is age adjusted. UT EE might need to shore up their admissions standards. 

Granted I don't live on message boards like you and am not very familiar with how the ignore function works. It seems to me even if I ignore you, you can still see my posts. Doesn't seem like there is a mutual ignore option, something that would be nice to have. I had you on ignore for messages and posts but not for mentions. I fixed the glitch.  

[ztejas 43524]

1 minute ago, UTEE97 said:

Granted I don't live on message boards like you and am not very familiar with how the ignore function works. It seems to me even if I ignore you, you can still see my posts. Doesn't seem like there is a mutual ignore option, something that would be nice to have. I had you on ignore for messages and posts but not for mentions. I fixed the glitch.  

Man these are gems. What do I need to say to get more of these? 

[CTC2 2798]

On a lighter note, tell me why we want the guy from ORU?  I’m not suggesting we don’t, I’m just saying I don’t know.  
 

[closetohumping 17455]

5 minutes ago, UTEE97 said:

Granted I don't live on message boards like you and am not very familiar with how the ignore function works. It seems to me even if I ignore you, you can still see my posts. Doesn't seem like there is a mutual ignore option, something that would be nice to have. I had you on ignore for messages and posts but not for mentions. I fixed the glitch.  

You don't really type with an accent.  Thank you.  

2 minutes ago, CTC2 said:

On a lighter note, tell me why we want the guy from ORU?  I’m not suggesting we don’t, I’m just saying I don’t know.  
 

Desperate times, desperate measures.  He's actually not that good....if we get him.  If we miss.....well I'm sure you know where to go with that.

[ClubWhatever 12154]

2 minutes ago, CTC2 said:

On a lighter note, tell me why we want the guy from ORU?  I’m not suggesting we don’t, I’m just saying I don’t know.  
 

I’ve seen him play two games.  Both in the 2022 tournament.  He drained 3s like a mofo and dishes the ball like a wizard. 

[HookEm 2467]

1 hour ago, shadow_operative said:

because that's the thing- there is no "anti-RT" crowd. everyone here likes him and wants him to succeed.

Do you really think UTEE97 likes RT and wants him to succeed?  

I feel like I’m being labeled a RT fan, but I’m not.  I agree that his resume is not suitable to be the UT coach.  But that doesn’t matter now because he IS the coach.  I just feel like we should let the off-season play out before we judge him.  

It would be nice if we waited a few years to divide into the pro and anti RT factions and just focused on supporting UT hoops for a while.

[closetohumping 17455]

4 minutes ago, HookEm said:

Do you really think UTEE97 likes RT and wants him to succeed?  

I feel like I’m being labeled a RT fan, but I’m not.  I agree that his resume is not suitable to be the UT coach.  But that doesn’t matter now because he IS the coach.  I just feel like we should let the off-season play out before we judge him.  

It would be nice if we waited a few years to divide into the pro and anti RT factions and just focused on supporting UT hoops for a while.

There are likely 50 better coaches.  The fact that I'm labeled "pro RT" or an "RT fan" is humorous.  Yes, I root for the guy.  I have no reason not to.  

 

 

As far as people actively rooting against RT?  IDK, there were quite a few I told you sos and people gloating when we lost AJ to the pros. 

Edited April 21, 2023 by closetohumping

[shadow_operative 15932]

 

tyrese can really fly. very hopeful that he's a part of this team next year.

Edited April 21, 2023 by shadow_operative

[CTC2 2798]

12 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

You don't really type with an accent.  Thank you.  

Desperate times, desperate measures.  He's actually not that good....if we get him.  If we miss.....well I'm sure you know where to go with that.

Well, we do have about 50 points a game that we need to replace so it kind of matters. 

[closetohumping 17455]

2 minutes ago, CTC2 said:

Well, we do have about 50 points a game that we need to replace so it kind of matters. 

That’s what I’m saying.  We need to get him.  He’s a must have at this point

[Dbeasy 15075]

Jesus, I hadn’t read this thread in a few days and it’s such a shit show. 

The first several weeks of the Terry regime have been terrible. That’s an objective fact, not an opinion. When people point that out, it doesn’t necessarily mean they are rooting for him to fail. And those of you making excuses for him or trying to downplay the bad news look naive and Aggie like. 

[ChickenSandwich 9844]

…

Edited April 21, 2023 by ChickenSandwich

[Ignatius 4017]

1 hour ago, UTEE97 said:

Fuck off idiot! You have an IQ of a teenager

lulz

[VinyVango 694]

Getting Abmas is now absolutely critical.  Having a relatively efficient 25 ppg, high usage bucket getter on you team can cover a lot of other issues.  

Just like a red light does a whorehouse

[UTEE97 3522]

1 hour ago, Dbeasy said:

Jesus, I hadn’t read this thread in a few days and it’s such a shit show. 

The first several weeks of the Terry regime have been terrible. That’s an objective fact, not an opinion. When people point that out, it doesn’t necessarily mean they are rooting for him to fail. And those of you making excuses for him or trying to downplay the bad news look naive and Aggie like. 

No, you can't point anything negative out until he has served his contract term. Obviously, Red McCombs was an idiot, racist or not a Texas fan because he didn't like the Strong hire. Nobody has ever pointed out Sark might be a bad coach. 🙄

Edited April 21, 2023 by UTEE97

[Lonestar88 4698]

This thread sucks. Jesus Christ. 

 

1 hour ago, CTC2 said:

On a lighter note, tell me why we want the guy from ORU?  I’m not suggesting we don’t, I’m just saying I don’t know.  
 

 

1 hour ago, ClubWhatever said:

I’ve seen him play two games.  Both in the 2022 tournament.  He drained 3s like a mofo and dishes the ball like a wizard. 

Does anyone here actually watch college basketball? None of you remember the sweet 16 run ORU went on a couple of years ago? Abmas was the star of the tournament.

Kevin Obanor became a decent player at Tech and he was clearly the 2nd best player on that ORU team behind Abmas.

[LTtxfan 49320]

1 hour ago, Dbeasy said:

Jesus, I hadn’t read this thread in a few days and it’s such a shit show.  The first several weeks of the Terry regime have been terrible. That’s an objective fact, not an opinion. When people point that out, it doesn’t necessarily mean they are rooting for him to fail. And those of you making excuses for him or trying to downplay the bad news look naive and Aggie like. 

 

[Pancho 44880]

2 hours ago, closetohumping said:

I disagree with you so I'm gonna neg bomb the fuck out of you!!! Now leave me alone you pro RT guy!!!  Yes, I know you're not one of us "pro RT" guys.  Just didn't know there was actually an anti-RT contingent.

Once again, you are making this up. It's not clear why you keep trying to make this stick. 

[TommysTinyTowels 787]

2 hours ago, shadow_operative said:

tyrese can really fly. very hopeful that he's a part of this team next year.

Wow.
I think he and Disu will both be back, although they don't have to sit out if they transfer because Beard left correct?

Wonder how his Jabari ball fake is coming? I would laugh my ass off if he started using it.

[closetohumping 17455]

8 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Once again, you are making this up. It's not clear why you keep trying to make this stick. 

If there’s a pro RT contingent wouldn’t there be an anti RT contingent?   I’m readin “the pro Rt crowd” or the “RT fanboys”.  Yes I’m rooting for him.  

[HtownHorn 14755]

5 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

OK, that's a really odd take.  Rodney Terry CAN close.  He's been a good or better recruiter for a long time.  Whatever problems you have with his speaking voice or his charisma don't seem to be pervasive among young basketball players.

Can he build an elite program at a place like Texas?  That's the question.  Quite literally, nobody knows.  All we know is that he wasn't setting the world on fire against similar non-P5 programs as a head coach at two stops.  This is why many people had concerns, but this weird personal angle of yours is quite frankly offensive.

He coached at the two of the worst non-P6 programs in the country.

[HtownHorn 14755]

2 hours ago, Dbeasy said:

Jesus, I hadn’t read this thread in a few days and it’s such a shit show. 

The first several weeks of the Terry regime have been terrible. That’s an objective fact, not an opinion. When people point that out, it doesn’t necessarily mean they are rooting for him to fail. And those of you making excuses for him or trying to downplay the bad news look naive and Aggie like. 

I mean this is the same shitty hyperbole that has posted by the same 2-3 dipshits over and over again. He lost a coach and hired an upgrade; he lost some one and dones that most thought were leaving after 1 season at Texas. You guys are acting like the wheels are coming off the bus because they didn't get two portals, when a lot of non-Texas data points are saying Texas is getting the #1 portal guard. Shit, he's Abmas and Shedrick away from fucking hitting a home run. I think most people understand how the portal works and if the roster looks the same on May 10th, then the panic should set in, but not 2 weeks into this shit.

[Pancho 44880]

46 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

If there’s a pro RT contingent wouldn’t there be an anti RT contingent?   I’m readin “the pro Rt crowd” or the “RT fanboys”.  Yes I’m rooting for him.  

No. 

 

You can be concerned about the RT tenure based on his background and still actively root for his success at the same time. 

[BurntOrange&White 39934]

17 hours ago, HtownHorn said:

I mean the entire staff is coming back except Donewald and Reilly.

[BurntOrange&White 39934]

12 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

For a UT EE grad, an alleged entrepreneur who leads elite sales teams into corporate battle, you sure don't read very well.

I'm just glad your name isn't UTME87.

Not everyone can be a nurse!

[closetohumping 17455]

7 hours ago, Pancho said:

No. 

 

You can be concerned about the RT tenure based on his background and still actively root for his success at the same time. 

And taking a wait and see approach doesn’t mean we’re all “fan boys.”  AJ Johnson’s grades were an issue and his alleged package was 750k.  I think Hunters NIL deal was 175?  How do we match that?  Mitchell going pro?  Not unexpected.  Morris, yea that’s a big hit

 

as for donewald, Rodney hired his replacement, a former head coach, before he’s even left. Meh. The guy has had 19 jobs.  Seems like a flighty guy and he was already salty about Rodney getting the job.  
 

I haven’t paid too much attention to the portal but have we truly lost anyone that we were leading with?

 

Again, I’m not the one that’s coming up with labels.  
 

Let’s wait till conference play before we stick a fork in him?  Though, I usually say you have to give them at least 2 years before making any declarations 

[jimmyjazz 46000]

8 hours ago, HtownHorn said:

He coached at the two of the worst non-P6 programs in the country.

. . . and he didn't make them much better.  Isn't that what an elite coach should do?

I feel like I have to qualify myself over and over, so here goes:  I am not anti-RT.  I am rooting for him.  I am (as always) rooting for the 'horns, whether they're led by Weltlich (oof), Penders, Barnes, Beard, or Terry.  UT is one of my alma maters.  I want Terry to succeed, and so far, his tournament run was really encouraging.

[MotownHorn 1770]

14 hours ago, ztejas said:

The victory laps in April from people hoping that RT sucks just because it would prove them right are getting a little silly. I'd like to hear from Disu, Hunter and Abmas before I start piecing together what I think the 2024 team is going to look like. 

This guy coached us to an elite eight less than a month ago and it would have been a final four sans a couple untimely injuries. 

It's pretty fucking amazing that 7 months before the season even starts we have these guys in here getting their panties in a bunch and spending their days arguing over hypotheticals.

[MotownHorn 1770]

 

4 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

. . . and he didn't make them much better.  Isn't that what an elite coach should do?

I feel like I have to qualify myself over and over, so here goes:  I am not anti-RT.  I am rooting for him.  I am (as always) rooting for the 'horns, whether they're led by Weltlich (oof), Penders, Barnes, Beard, or Terry.  UT is one of my alma maters.  I want Terry to succeed, and so far, his tournament run was really encouraging.

Fresno State was like 10-20 when he arrived and 20-10 when he left after earning one of 3 tournament bids in the school's history.

You're trying real hard to twist facts if going from 10-20 to 20-10 and a tournament bid is "not making them much better."

[jimmyjazz 46000]

8 minutes ago, MotownHorn said:

 

Fresno State was like 10-20 when he arrived and 20-10 when he left after earning one of 3 tournament bids in the school's history.

You're trying real hard to twist facts if going from 10-20 to 20-10 and a tournament bid is "not making them much better."

I'm not twisting anything.  His programs were not particularly competitive against their conference peers:

Fresno State:  7, 6, T5, 6, 2, 4, T4

UTEP: 14, 11, 5

 

Yes, he made them better.  I'd like to think an elite coach should be able to make "two of the worst non-P6 programs in the country" a whole lot better.  Maybe not.  Maybe the cultures were too toxic.  Regardless, it seems a lot is made of how bad those programs were without considering how bad their competition was.

[closetohumping 17455]

29 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'm not twisting anything.  His programs were not particularly competitive against their conference peers:

Fresno State:  7, 6, T5, 6, 2, 4, T4

UTEP: 14, 11, 5

 

Yes, he made them better.  I'd like to think an elite coach should be able to make "two of the worst non-P6 programs in the country" a whole lot better.  Maybe not.  Maybe the cultures were too toxic.  Regardless, it seems a lot is made of how bad those programs were without considering how bad their competition was.

Maybe he lacked the resources?  I don’t remember either program killing it in the last 30 years.  The numbers you posted showed improvement though?   
 

But at this point, we weren’t going to fire a guy that lead us to our best year in 15 years.  Throw out all the qualifiers you want, he did it.  So how about we show a bit of patience?  He was hired in late March.  It’s been a month.  

[jimmyjazz 46000]

35 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

But at this point, we weren’t going to fire a guy that lead us to our best year in 15 years.  Throw out all the qualifiers you want, he did it.  So how about we show a bit of patience?  He was hired in late March.  It’s been a month.  

Do you think I'm being impatient?  I don't know how many ways I can say "I'm rooting for Rodney Terry to succeed".

[closetohumping 17455]

16 hours ago, UTEE97 said:

I have been right on everything and and you have been wrong. You may not have liked my comment and took it personally for perhaps the reasons I just mentioned in the above post, but that was a data point I used to come to my conclusion. He doesn't have charisma- something that helps you close. There are many reasons for not being able to close a deal but it takes just one charismatic salesperson to overcome everything. Without that person, all sales appear challenging and you would have many excuses.

 

I have seen you be the water carrier for other coaches before on other boards, if I am not mistaken. What's your deal? It's not a normal fan behavior. Do you work for our athletic department or know these coaches personally?

It’s been one month.  I don’t think anyone can claim to be right or wrong yet.  
 

also the players seem to get Rodney when he speaks.   They lean in.  

Edited April 21, 2023 by closetohumping

[BurntOrange&White 39934]

Rodney Terry is not our standard! 

 

 

Someone get the banner!

[Hookem2147 21345]

Also said a few posts later that Terry will likely do an in-home with an unnamed portal prospect before heading to Atlanta.

[BurntOrange&White 39934]

18 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

Also said a few posts later that Terry will likely do an in-home with an unnamed portal prospect before heading to Atlanta.

unnamed recruit....aka recruit that doesn't excite anyone

 

 

GET RODNEY TERRY SOME HELP! 

 

 

 

/sarcasm

[Pancho 44880]

3 hours ago, closetohumping said:

And taking a wait and see approach doesn’t mean we’re all “fan boys.”  AJ Johnson’s grades were an issue and his alleged package was 750k.  I think Hunters NIL deal was 175?  How do we match that?  Mitchell going pro?  Not unexpected.  Morris, yea that’s a big hit

 

as for donewald, Rodney hired his replacement, a former head coach, before he’s even left. Meh. The guy has had 19 jobs.  Seems like a flighty guy and he was already salty about Rodney getting the job.  
 

I haven’t paid too much attention to the portal but have we truly lost anyone that we were leading with?

 

Again, I’m not the one that’s coming up with labels.  
 

Let’s wait till conference play before we stick a fork in him?  Though, I usually say you have to give them at least 2 years before making any declarations 

You aren’t taking a wait and see approach. You are getting defensive about everything, especially if folks don’t agree with you. You openly admitted you only wanted RT because people on message boards were talking shit about him getting the HC position and you felt bad, which is a terrible reason to want a coach. 

Now with Donewald, all of a sudden he’s “flighty” and was salty (no link for that) which isn’t something you would have said about Donewald had he stayed or said about him 3 months ago. 

You may not be the one coming up with labels, but you definitely are very defensive. As I said before, you can be critical about RT and everything that’s happened post-E8 and still want him to succeed and win here. Those things aren’t mutually exclusive.