Texas Basketball 2023-24

[Lonestar88 4700]

1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

Losing the two HS superstars didn't help.

No way Mitchell comes back if those two are here, so hopefully Mitchell develops and makes those 2 losses sting a little less.

 

The roster retention was pretty good though, Morris is the only guy who played a minute of basketball last year who could’ve come back but didn’t.

[Rickylovesweed 14538]

2 minutes ago, Pancho said:

No Kaluma tho 

The way Gerry has been wording things it was going to require the rest of NIL funds to land either Kaluma or Phillips had he returned. Meaning they wouldn't be able to add another guard. 

I think that likely factored big time into the decision. 

They likely got Mitchell for pennies on the dollar based on the talent level. 

 

[Hookem2147 21348]

2 minutes ago, Lonestar88 said:

The roster retention was pretty good though, Morris is the only guy who played a minute of basketball last year who could’ve come back but didn’t.

Yep, it certainly appears the notion that the players enjoy playing for Terry and the staff has some merit.

[Hookem2147 21348]

Does this addition finally put us into ‘no more Gavin Perryman in the minute projections’ territory?

[HookEm 2467]

Nope

[troph 24905]

Seems like the sky didn’t fall? I can has hope for next year?

[CashMcCoy 3199]

Didn’t see this coming at all, but I’m happy. Really hope the decision pays off for him and he plays his way into the first round this season.

[Rickylovesweed 14538]

Mitchell just needs to show any type of offensive game and in combination with the draft being super weak next year he has the potential to be a first-rounder.

Teams are already intrigued based simply on his athleticism. 

[jeevsie 3739]

Yessssss!!!!!

[Hank_Hill 18893]

4 hours ago, Rickylovesweed said:

Yeah, most the draft experts have been saying this is a historically bad recruiting class this cycle. It's apparently very weak. 

Man, great class to have zero commits in that case. RT playin chess

[Rickylovesweed 14538]

4 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

Man, great class to have zero commits in that case. RT playin chess

In a way, I kind of wanted to see Holland at Arkansas. 

They're going to have an experienced and good roster much like Texas did last year. My bet is Holland would have likely had a similar FR season as Mitchell did. 

[shadow_operative 15932]

Just now, Rickylovesweed said:

In a way, I kind of wanted to see Holland at Arkansas. 

[Pancho 44962]

2 minutes ago, Rickylovesweed said:

In a way, I kind of wanted to see Holland at Arkansas. . 

[shadow_operative 15932]

also he's joining a much better team than arkansas, one that plays much tougher competition. i can't imagine that ignite (which i work don't even 100% understand what that is or how it works) would be paying him $500k to come and play the dillon mitchell role from last year. 

[Rickylovesweed 14538]

2 minutes ago, shadow_operative said:

I'm tired of these dumb narratives of "Texas can't develop 5 stars" simply because they don't get playing time with older rosters. 

It's so dumb. Holland was the perfect setup for that bullshit to be a reality at another school and you have to know Arkansas was likely in his ear about that nonsense. 

[Rickylovesweed 14538]

8 minutes ago, shadow_operative said:

also he's joining a much better team than arkansas, one that plays much tougher competition. i can't imagine that ignite (which i work don't even 100% understand what that is or how it works) would be paying him $500k to come and play the dillon mitchell role from last year. 

Not sure what you're implying?  

 

[jimmyjazz 46089]

Somebody explain the NIL world to me like I'm a toddler.  (Ahem.)  What's the root cause of us getting outbid?  We need to pay more guys than other programs?  We have less money to throw around than other programs?  Other?

I don't really like where NIL is going but it's hard for me to believe we can't pony up the $$$ with any other school out there.  Maybe that's a distorted view because I'm thinking "football money".

[shadow_operative 15932]

31 minutes ago, Rickylovesweed said:

Not sure what you're implying?  

 

you believe he would have had a dillon mitchell-esque role at arkansas. he's going to be playing for a better team on a tougher league. why would he and ignite have mutual interest if he's that type of player? how is he going to get minutes for them? 

[Rickylovesweed 14538]

4 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Somebody explain the NIL world to me like I'm a toddler.  (Ahem.)  What's the root cause of us getting outbid?  We need to pay more guys than other programs?  We have less money to throw around than other programs?  Other?

I don't really like where NIL is going but it's hard for me to believe we can't pony up the $$$ with any other school out there.  Maybe that's a distorted view because I'm thinking "football money".

What makes you think we're getting outbid? They definitely had to drop a bag for Abmas and Shedrick. Definitely had to a drop a bag to keep Hunter and Disu. 

Is your "outbid" perspective based on Holland and Arkansas? I just wonder how much certain schools want to spend for a FR when reality is transfers/experienced players have more value. I don't know if that's "getting outbid" or just recognizing value. 

[jimmyjazz 46089]

6 minutes ago, Rickylovesweed said:

What makes you think we're getting outbid? They definitely had to drop a bag for Abmas and Shedrick. Definitely had to a drop a bag to keep Hunter and Disu. 

Is your "outbid" perspective based on Holland and Arkansas? I just wonder how much certain schools want to spend for a FR when reality is transfers/experienced players have more value. I don't know if that's "getting outbid" or just recognizing value. 

No particular assumption.  Take Holland -- did we not offer enough money because we didn't have it or didn't want to pay it?  

[ATXbronco 4084]

The kid was up to #13 in the mock draft earlier this year.
Then as the season went on, his draft stock nosedived.

Hope he doesn't but is it too late for him to transfer to another school for the '23-'24 season?

 

[Rickylovesweed 14538]

15 minutes ago, shadow_operative said:

you believe he would have had a dillon mitchell-esque role at arkansas. he's going to be playing for a better team on a tougher league. why would he and ignite have mutual interest if he's that type of player? how is he going to get minutes for them? 

The same league had interest in Mitchell. They just try to sign the top HS prospects.

I don't think signing with Ignite gives you any insight on what type of role that player will have there. For instance, Johnson (who signed from the '22 class) hardly played. 

I don't think it's a guarantee that Holland will get minutes with Ignite. Although, he is definitely a better prospect than somebody like London Johnson.  

Edited June 1, 2023 by Rickylovesweed

[ATXbronco 4084]

Wow, he's not even in the mock draft through either round any longer.

Last updated 18 days ago.  Or, at least the player rankings were last updated then.

https://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft

Edited June 1, 2023 by ATXbronco

[Rickylovesweed 14538]

Also, isn't the entire point of that Ignite team development of high school players? I think they have a slightly different decision calculus than a school like Arkansas. 

The bottom line at Arkansas is winning. Comparing "strength of league/roster" to Arkansas, in the context of minutes, seems misplaced because they have different goals in mind. 

 

[Firemans4Horn 18119]

[Pancho 44962]

23 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

No particular assumption.  Take Holland -- did we not offer enough money because we didn't have it or didn't want to pay it?  

Its not necessarily about how much money…

[Rickylovesweed 14538]

21 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

No particular assumption.  Take Holland -- did we not offer enough money because we didn't have it or didn't want to pay it?  

No clue and there were also rumors that the lack of development of Mitchell/Morris might have played a role. So maybe we weren't outbid and other factors came into play? 

Regardless, it sure doesn't look like to me we are behind with NIL. Abmas and Shedrick were our top 2 targets from the get go. Disu had to get a nice NIL deal or he could be playing overseas for decent money.  Even a guy like Weaver was being pursued by A&M, Ole Miss, Ohio State, Texas Tech, etc. It likely took a bag to get him. 

 

[Rickylovesweed 14538]

16 hours ago, Pancho said:

Gerry saying S&C should be announced this week. I’m keeping a close eye on Rothstein’s Twitter today.

I don't know if this will be the hire but I was told by somebody I trust they were trying to get Cory Schlesinger who has been the strength and conditioning coach for the Suns. 

Apparently, he has quite the reputation and was involved with a lot of the Olympic sports at Stanford prior to the Suns. 

 

 

Edited June 1, 2023 by Rickylovesweed

[RollingPresidential 633]

Definitely don't let Mitchell see what y'all have been posting here!

[Ignatius 4017]

5 hours ago, Rickylovesweed said:

Also, isn't the entire point of that Ignite team development of high school players?

That’s more Overtime Elite’s charter; they recruit high school-age kids to play against other high school kids. Ignite is all post-HS players on 1-year contracts playing against other post-HS players. Ignite is there essentially to cater to the 1 and done player….

[Rickylovesweed 14538]

I'm a little bit surprised a school didn't try to get Liam McNeely to commit and reclassify. He's apparently very mature for his age (in terms of basketball game). 

I never saw any mention of reclassification but I thought that's something Texas might attempt even though that model really hasn't worked well. UNC just did it with a guard from the '24 class. McNeely can shoot and play the 3 so I thought Texas might try to do that at one point. 

 

 

 

[KingBobo81 539]

Here’s hoping for a huge jump forward between year 1-2 for Dillon and that he plays well enough to get back into the lottery pick conversation.

[closetohumping 17457]

Welcome back Dillon!  Excited to see him develop.  Maybe too early bro write RT off?

[closetohumping 17457]

Rumor we may have interest:

 

https://amp.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentucky-sports/uk-basketball-men/article275435201.html

[Rickylovesweed 14538]

Reeves makes a lot of sense for what we need. 

[Rickylovesweed 14538]

10 hours ago, goatsaag said:

A ton of size with zero shooting. I have a hard time seeing how they get many minutes on the court together unless someone develops a shot.

It Texas adds somebody like Reeves I think you could see a starting 5 of Hunter, Abmas, Reeves, Mitchell, and Disu. 

To me, that's a much better fit than a starting 5 of Mitchell, Disu, and Shedrick. But is Shedrick willing to come off the bench and is Mitchell still willing to play the 4? 

 

[HtownHorn 14762]

Reeves would be great, only started 14 games out of 34 last year, so could be used either in the starting lineup or off the bench.

I think Terry prefers the 3 guard lineups so a starting 5 of

Hunter, Abmas, Reeves, Mitchell, and Disu would be intriguing.

[Red Five 40881]

26 minutes ago, Rickylovesweed said:

Reeves makes a lot of sense for what we need. 

6'5" and 40% from 3. Yep. 

[Rickylovesweed 14538]

5 minutes ago, Red Five said:

6'5" and 40% from 3. Yep. 

Plus, Kentucky's offensive system is antiquated. Put him around Kentucky/Texas level talent with an actual offensive system he can probably shoot better from 3. 

[closetohumping 17457]

14 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

Reeves would be great, only started 14 games out of 34 last year, so could be used either in the starting lineup or off the bench.

I think Terry prefers the 3 guard lineups so a starting 5 of

Hunter, Abmas, Reeves, Mitchell, and Disu would be intriguing.

Really interested to see how Mitchell and Disu play with another year together.   
 

yea I hope we land a guy like Reeves

[GreenspointTexas 9664]

Huge

[Herpa Derpa 6129]

Gargantuan

[idigTexas 2289]

2 hours ago, closetohumping said:

Welcome back Dillon!  Excited to see him develop.  Maybe too early bro write RT off?

Yes, it is too early to write off RT.  It is also too early to claim that he is going to be successful in all facets.  If you evaluate what he has done month-to-month instead of minute-by-minute, what we have seen so far is encouraging. 

[ztejas 43528]

We may be able to finish within 3, 4 games of Kansas now. 

[closetohumping 17457]

4 minutes ago, idigTexas said:

Yes, it is too early to write off RT.  It is also too early to claim that he is going to be successful in all facets.  If you evaluate what he has done month-to-month instead of minute-by-minute, what we have seen so far is encouraging. 

What do you say we give him till at least game 1?

[idigTexas 2289]

11 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

What do you say we give him till at least game 1?

Unconventional, but why not?

[Braff Zacklin 13650]

Rein in the enthusiasm, peoples. We won't know how any of these kids will perform until the lights come on.

[MuellerHorn 4265]

9 hours ago, Rickylovesweed said:

The same league had interest in Mitchell. They just try to sign the top HS prospects.

I don't think signing with Ignite gives you any insight on what type of role that player will have there. For instance, Johnson (who signed from the '22 class) hardly played. 

I don't think it's a guarantee that Holland will get minutes with Ignite. Although, he is definitely a better prospect than somebody like London Johnson.  

I don't know about minutes, etc., but Holland's offensive game is already in another universe compared to Mitchell.

[ztejas 43528]

2 minutes ago, Braff Zacklin said:

Rein in the enthusiasm, peoples. We won't know how any of these kids will perform until the lights come on.

We also don't know if Tyrese, Disu, Mitchell and Brock have any established chemistry with each other or the head coach. Or if they're capable of making a tourney run.

[jw4381 3094]

51 minutes ago, Braff Zacklin said:

Rein in the enthusiasm, peoples. We won't know how any of these kids will perform until the lights come on.