Texas Basketball 2023-24

HtownHorn · January 10

Texas also won their 1st road game and lost their 1st home game last year, so this is normal. Started 4-1 last year in the Big 12, should be there is year as well. Just need our 9-mna rotation healthy for more than 3 games.

HookEm · January 10

My minutes distribution would be:

Starters:

Abmas: 30+
Hunter: 26
Mitchell: 30 (20 min at SM, 10 min at PF)
Disu: 30+ (Mostly at PF)
Shedrick: 25

Bench

Cunningham: 18
Weaver: 20 (15 min subbing for Abmas/Hunter and another 5 min with 3 guards)
Onyema: 12 (mainly subbing for Shedrick)
Everybody else: The remaining ~10 min

MrX · January 10

13 hours ago, Rockethorn1978 said:

I didn’t say fire him at 9-4 and he hasn’t beat anyone with a pulse in those 9 games. But if we end up 14-17 and miss the tourney then why waste another year? Because we have too? Because media will make us? It’s one thing to hire a new coach after a search and to give him 3 years but this was an assistant who inherited a team and kept it going. He didn’t take it to another level. That team was going to the EE with beard and probably would have advanced had he not fucked it up. I feel like this is different. From the EE to not making the tourney is worth firing. Or let’s do it again next year and do it then I guess.

Are you contributing to the buyout? Also, firing a dude in college basketball that went to the Elite Eight the year prior after the previous coach was fired in disgrace isn’t the best of looks.

Pancho · January 10

What mess does Terry need to clean up? Maybe I missed something…

Hard Times · January 10

21 hours ago, Red Five said:

Hiring Terry took a huge leap of faith. If this season goes the way I feel like it's going to go (and how Andy Katz feels like it's gonna go) then we need to cut bait at the end of this year. I understand though that that is very unlikely to happen. At which point, welcome back to years 2 thru 6 of the Shaka experience.

Fuck you Beard.

Rockethorn1978 · January 10

1 hour ago, MrX said:

Are you contributing to the buyout? Also, firing a dude in college basketball that went to the Elite Eight the year prior after the previous coach was fired in disgrace isn’t the best of looks.

Who gives a fuck about “looks”. That was my entire point. We care more about how it looks than anything else here at always PC Texas. Maybe he will turn it around but given the schedule i will be surprised if he makes a run in the tourney or at this point if we even make it at all.

Js1 · January 10

9 minutes ago, Rockethorn1978 said:

Who gives a fuck about “looks”.

The guy doing the hiring?

It is extremely bad optics to fire a coach 1 year into a contract without a big scandal off the court. Period. You're basically advertising to future candidates that if they don't perform to some specific expectation in year 1, you're out. No one wants that job.

Stop making it about being "PC." You sound like a fucking dumbass.

Hookem2147 · January 10

1 hour ago, Pancho said:

What mess does Terry need to clean up? Maybe I missed something…

I mean, does having your only two high school recruits, both five stars, choosing not to enroll weeks before they are supposed to arrive on campus qualify as a bit of a mess?

Rockethorn1978 · January 10

4 minutes ago, Js1 said:

The guy doing the hiring?

It is extremely bad optics to fire a coach 1 year into a contract without a big scandal off the court. Period. You're basically advertising to future candidates that if they don't perform to some specific expectation in year 1, you're out. No one wants that job.

Stop making it about being "PC." You sound like a fucking dumbass.

You and I both know it’s PC but ok. Either way this is a different situation. Handing him the keys to the Porsche as a fill in from a coach that got fired mid season is different than Texas doing a coaching search with a firm and we decided to hire Terry then fire him after 1 year. It’s apples and oranges. But go ahead and act like it’s the same thing. Just because you say it’s not the PC thing to do keeping the coach that held the season together and made the EE when we were already going to the EE with beard or probably further. We hired him because of the way it looked from the outside. Texas can’t handle not being liked by the outside. And I hate to break it to you but the whole “you’ll scare off another coach” is a myth. Great coaches know they can turn things around and getting rid of Terry in year 1 of a situation unlike any other school wouldn’t scare off any high level coach. You sound like a dumbass.

Pancho · January 10

Just now, Hookem2147 said:

I mean, does having your only two high school recruits, both five stars, choosing not to enroll weeks before they are supposed to arrive on campus qualify as a bit of a mess?

That’s not a mess, that’s just an unfortunate situation.

Mess implies there’s shit going on inside the program (besides Beard) that we didn’t know about.

Hookem2147 · January 10

9 hours ago, HookEm said:

My minutes distribution would be:

Starters:

Abmas: 30+

Hunter: 26

Mitchell: 30 (20 min at SM, 10 min at PF)

Disu: 30+ (Mostly at PF)

Shedrick: 25

Bench

Cunningham: 18

Weaver: 20 (15 min subbing for Abmas/Hunter and another 5 min with 3 guards)

Onyema: 12 (mainly subbing for Shedrick)

Everybody else: The remaining ~10 min

I don’t love that starting lineup because we are starting two guys who pose no threat from the perimeter.

Also, are we sure that pairing Shedrick and Disu together for extended stretches is the best option? Jury is probably still out on that.

Hookem2147 · January 10

2 minutes ago, Pancho said:

That’s not a mess, that’s just an unfortunate situation.

Mess implies there’s shit going on inside the program (besides Beard) that we didn’t know about.

Well yeah, the mess is our head coach ended up in an orange jumpsuit the morning of a game and lost his job, setting off a chain of events that included the unfortunate situation you referenced amongst a few other things (assistant turnover, new S&C coach, etc).

I think you might be reading a little too much into the mess comment.

jimmyjazz · January 10

16 hours ago, Rockethorn1978 said:

That team was going to the EE with beard and probably would have advanced had he not fucked it up.

How exactly did RT fuck it up? He didn't get the hottest player on the team (and perhaps the tournament) injured.

EDIT: my bad, I think I misread your post. I thought you were saying Terry fucked it up, but it was Beard.

Edited January 10 by jimmyjazz

Js1 · January 10

1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

How exactly did RT fuck it up? He didn't get the hottest player on the team (and perhaps the tournament) injured.

Seriously. Disu getting hurt was not RT’s fault. Carr being gimpy against Miami after taking a hit to the thigh was also not RT’s fault

TommysTinyTowels · January 10

Disu should be off minutes restriction now and pick up 10-12 minutes a game, he played a very effective 34 last night. That should certainly help the W/L column.

dcar00 · January 10

I mean everyone knows Terry isn't gonna be the guy but he didn't do anything really. He won every game he could and Texas offered him a contract.

This is all Beard and UT's fault. Beard had a couple of flags based on rumor mill but my guess is we assumed dude was almost 50, was getting what appeared to be his dream job and would act appropriately.

the only mess is you have is he wasn't the head coach all of last year for recruiting purposes and would have been viewed as the interim by all recruits. Again not his fault.

I get that Texas looks at public perception being very important and in any business at the end of the day all you have is your reputation but in this case I wish Texas was less worried about the "PR hit" of not hiring Terry. I can give CDC a pass if he went to 3 or so HC's on his list and they all said no then I get it but if he didn't even try that's a problem. There is no world where it is automatically Rodney Terry's job, just like it wouldn't be Kyle Flood's job if Sark fell off the wagon and got a DWI and we ended up top 10.

Hookem2147 · January 10

29 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

I get that Texas looks at public perception being very important and in any business at the end of the day all you have is your reputation but in this case I wish Texas was less worried about the "PR hit" of not hiring Terry. I can give CDC a pass if he went to 3 or so HC's on his list and they all said no then I get it but if he didn't even try that's a problem. There is no world where it is automatically Rodney Terry's job, just like it wouldn't be Kyle Flood's job if Sark fell off the wagon and got a DWI and we ended up top 10.

It leaked out at the end that Sean Miller (per Gerry) was one of the primary options they were looking at. The dude we blew out in the tournament.

Again, people can pretend all they want that there were all these other great options out there that we passed up. We weren't getting Musselman or Oats or Sampson so once you put the pipedreams aside and consider where we were at in the CBB calendar when the season ended (middle of portal/HS recruiting, trying to keep our own guys out of the draft/portal, etc) and the results of the season, the options were not plentiful.

Edited January 10 by Hookem2147

ClubWhatever · January 10

Last night was a good win. I temporarily misplaced my pitchfork. We're projected to go 7-11. Can we make it 8-10? What a ride.

dcar00 · January 10

3 minutes ago, ClubWhatever said:

Last night was a good win. I temporarily misplaced my pitchfork. We're projected to go 7-11. Can we make it 8-10? What a ride.

I think 8-10 is borderline but doable. IMO, it depends on who the 8 are, how many bid stealers there are, and how many Big 12 teams also end up 8-10.

closetohumping · January 10

41 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

It leaked out at the end that Sean Miller (per Gerry) was one of the primary options they were looking at. The dude we blew out in the tournament.

Again, people can pretend all they want that there were all these other great options out there that we passed up. We weren't getting Musselman or Oats or Sampson so once you put the pipedreams aside and consider where we were at in the CBB calendar when the season ended (middle of portal/HS recruiting, trying to keep our own guys out of the draft/portal, etc) and the results of the season, the options were not plentiful.

Yep. If you were gonna hire the guy RT just whipped in the tourney like o said the narrative would’ve looked really bad

dcar00 · January 10

1 hour ago, closetohumping said:

Yep. If you were gonna hire the guy RT just whipped in the tourney like o said the narrative would’ve looked really bad

he got caught in the corruption scandal. I wouldn't expect them to hire Miller over Terry regardless of the outcome of the game. That said, Miller's coaching record is light years beyond Terry.

shadow_operative · January 10

we’re two max abmas game winners away from being in serious trouble. one of them was against louisville (one of two power conference teams with zero wins vs the kenpom top 200), and on the other one abmas traveled but the refs swallowed their whistle. very fine margins so far this year. 10-5 (0-2) with a loss to louisville and zero notable wins sees us with a drastically different feeling and outlook than the one we have today. we’re gonna need disu to keep playing like an All American if we’re going to be competitive in this league. we’re honestly fortunate to be where we are right now.

Edited January 10 by shadow_operative

HookEm · January 10

That cuts both ways. We have also been unlucky enough to have our best player out or on a minutes restriction for the first 40% of the year. With Disu healthy we likely wouldn't have needed Abmas' heroics vs. Louisville. And we likely beat UConn as well. And maybe we beat Tech too if he gets 34 minutes.

Rickylovesweed · January 10

We are 4-0 when Disu plays 20+ minutes and that includes two decent wins against LSU and Cincinnati. LSU is a much better team now with Cook.

Moral of the story, our best player is important.

shadow_operative · January 10

yeah that’s pretty much what i’m getting at. this team is going to go as he goes. his health/availability could be the difference in making the S16 or missing the tourney altogether.

jimmyjazz · January 11

Every time Disu goes to the floor in the paint I shart myself.

Rickylovesweed · January 11

It's just unfortunate Cook was out so long for LSU or that might potentially be a quad 1 win. It's already a quad 2 win now on a neutral court.

Maybe they can stack some more wins and that becomes a quad 1 win.

HtownHorn · January 11

1 hour ago, Rickylovesweed said:

It's just unfortunate Cook was out so long for LSU or that might potentially be a quad 1 win. It's already a quad 2 win now on a neutral court.

Maybe they can stack some more wins and that becomes a quad 1 win.

I think it will a borderline Q1 win by the end of the season.

Chad · January 11

Houston lost to Iowa St and KU lost to UCF. Even the big dogs appear vulnerable this season. Let the season play out.

HookEm · January 11

Also, in Big 12 typical fashion, the bottom feeders are actually all pretty decent.

Brian Fantana · January 11

1 hour ago, HookEm said:

Also, in Big 12 typical fashion, the bottom feeders are actually all pretty decent.

I'd agree aside from WVU, they are stinky AF.

That's an awful loss for whatever Big 12 team they inevitably beat.

Edited January 11 by Brian Fantana

Braff Zacklin · January 11

4 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

That's an awful loss for whatever Big 12 team they inevitably beat.

Brian Fantana · January 11

3 minutes ago, Braff Zacklin said:

Lmao I just looked....I didn't realize that was y'alls next game. I don't think there's any way they beat y'all.

HookEm · January 11

Challenge accepted

Rickylovesweed · January 11

WV sucks but knowing our luck Jesse Edwards will return for our game.

Underdog · January 12

Hot Rod Hundley isn't walking through that door.

MotownHorn · January 12

On 1/10/2024 at 8:31 AM, Pancho said:

What mess does Terry need to clean up? Maybe I missed something…

Didn't you hear? We went 7-11 in conference play already. Missed the tournament and everything.

There's always next year, I guess...

YGIFS · January 12

Anybody know what time the Baylor game in 8 days is set for tip-off? Site shows 11am or 1pm, but it's strange they wouldn't have announced it by now. Have some family in town and wanted to plan for the game. Thanks.

MotownHorn · January 12

1 hour ago, YGIFS said:

Anybody know what time the Baylor game in 8 days is set for tip-off? Site shows 11am or 1pm, but it's strange they wouldn't have announced it by now. Have some family in town and wanted to plan for the game. Thanks.

ESPN says it's at 11 for whatever that's worth

YGIFS · January 12

Neither athletic dept. has that down yet, but I do see it on the flagship website, so thank you. Gonna take my BiL to the game and I guess some breakfast tacos and get him liquored up at 9:00a for the early tip.

Sucks that it'll be so early that we won't have a raucous crowd but all students will be back on campus so that should help. Holiday break games are a fucking beating, even in the Moody Center with so little noise.

Js1 · January 12

Big 12 website still says TBA ABC/ESPN/ESPN2

The_Great_Hornsby · January 13

So why does bracketology have us out of the tourney with an 11-3 record and the aggies in with a 9-6 record? Seems kinda dumb. For the record, I think both teams will miss the tourney.

Pancho · January 13

Projections

The big 12 is harder than the sec

Rockethorn1978 · January 13

56 minutes ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

So why does bracketology have us out of the tourney with an 11-3 record and the aggies in with a 9-6 record? Seems kinda dumb. For the record, I think both teams will miss the tourney.

Probably because we haven’t beaten anyone in the top 25? I could be wrong on that but what’s our best win? LSU?

shadow_operative · January 13

30 minutes ago, Rockethorn1978 said:

Probably because we haven’t beaten anyone in the top 25? I could be wrong on that but what’s our best win? LSU?

our five best wins and their kenpom rank:

32 Cincinnati

83 LSU

134 UNC Greensboro

180 UT Arlington

186 Louisville

Edited January 13 by shadow_operative

shadow_operative · January 13

and for all the shit everyone here has talked about Ole Miss’s schedule, here’s their five best wins:

45 Florida

49 Memphis

67 NC State

78 UCF

126 Cal

Hookem2147 · January 13

Isn’t the whole point of bracketology to project how things currently stand? It shouldn’t be factoring in future wins or losses. It should a ‘if today was selection Sunday’ projection.

Regardless, it is dinging Texas too hard right now. The KenPom #33 team last year was ironically Texas A&M who ended up a 7 seed with a joke of a non conference schedule.

We currently have a higher NET and KenPom rating than several schools I see projected safely in the tournament, including Gonzaga, Ole Miss and Memphis (who is somehow a 5 seed right now).

The_Great_Hornsby · January 13

27 minutes ago, shadow_operative said:

and for all the shit everyone here has talked about Ole Miss’s schedule, here’s their five best wins:

45 Florida

49 Memphis

67 NC State

78 UCF

126 Cal

Now do aggy

shadow_operative · January 13

6 minutes ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

Now do aggy

was not prepared for this:

15 Iowa State

four point loss to #1 Houston (it is aggy after all)

39 Ohio State

46 SMU

113 Penn State

Edited January 13 by shadow_operative

The_Great_Hornsby · January 13

Just now, shadow_operative said:

was not prepared for this:

15 Iowa State

4 point loss to Houston (it is aggy after all)

39 Ohio State

46 SMU

113 Penn State

Better wins than i thought. But how does 6 losses and a loss to common opponent LSU end with them being ahead of us when we have 3? All of our losses are to tourney teams. Im confused.

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