Texas Basketball 2023-24

Hookem2147 · February 28

Not specifically Texas related but Big 12 related and something I know has been discussed here before regarding NET.

ztejas · February 28

2 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

Not specifically Texas related but Big 12 related and something I know has been discussed here before regarding NET.

4 minutes dog?

Js1 · February 28

+7 in Net to 33. Big 12 road wins are the best wins

RockyMountainHighHorn · February 28

20 minutes ago, Js1 said:

+7 in Net to 33. Big 12 road wins are the best wins

I don’t know how this makes us need to go 2-2 to finish but I would assume that the win last night got us in minus some just disaster. Sure we go a quick 0-2, I won’t like it but I’d take the chance and say we still get in…if the right people lose.

RockyMountainHighHorn · February 28

7 hours ago, ztejas said:

4 minutes dog?

I appreciate everything he’s saying, the part I don’t like is that he’s almost making it sound like it was planned and done by conference when I highly doubt that ever happened. How can you get all the teams to agree to that especially when new teams just joined? I don’t see it. Maybe it happened by chance and we are just now seeing the benefit, who the hell knows but why make it seem like the big 12 “teamed up”.

Js1 · February 28

1 hour ago, RockyMountainHighHorn said:

I don’t know how this makes us need to go 2-2 to finish but I would assume that the win last night got us in minus some just disaster. Sure we go a quick 0-2, I won’t like it but I’d take the chance and say we still get in…if the right people lose.

OKST is #113 in NET - we cannot, should not, shall not lose to them at home.

OU is #40 and Baylor is #14 and on the road. This is the time we have to win both of these home games.

9-9 is more than a lock, it's a guarantee of a bid. We'd improve from last four bye to solidly in. And 9-9 has the potential to keep us ahead of TCU, Tech and OU in the standings / tournament seedings, which could improve our seed from a 10 (right now) to a 7.

HtownHorn · February 28

On 2/26/2024 at 1:52 PM, dcar00 said:

aggy at Ole Miss could be a play in game.

for a NIT home game.

dcar00 · February 28

finally made up for the UCF disaster at home.

2 of 3 gets us in regardless of tournament.

1 of 3 plus tournament win gets us in

1 of 3 with no tournament win might be a bit sketchy. would rather avoid that scenario.

Hookem2147 · February 28

5 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

finally made up for the UCF disaster at home.

2 of 3 gets us in regardless of tournament.

1 of 3 plus tournament win gets us in

1 of 3 with no tournament win might be a bit sketchy. would rather avoid that scenario.

We are in at 8-10. No questions asked. 4 Q1 road wins is almost unheard of for a bubble team.

Personally, I think we are in if we don't win another game. #33 in NET and the bubble is not exactly popping with great resumes. I think we can sleep easy.

HtownHorn · February 28

10-8 is very doable as Baylor plays no defense. It will take the kind of effort we saw from the opening tip last night, but we have already beaten Baylor this season and they are missing a valubale rotation player right now. They have a big game on Saturday and turn that around with a Monday home game.

HookEm · February 28

Updated odds based on Massey:

0-3: 6.5% - Probably an 11 seed if we make it in. Maybe First Four as well.
1-2: 36.7% - Likely 9-10 seed
2-1: 49.9% - Likely 7-8 seed
3-0: 6.7% - We are top-5 in the conference at this point. 6 seed IMO. Maybe even better.

MotownHorn · February 28

Ls to WVU and UCF continue to fuck us as we'd be in 5th place in the Big 12 if we won those two easily winnable games.

Hookem2147 · February 28

2 minutes ago, MotownHorn said:

Ls to WVU and UCF continue to fuck us as we'd be in 5th place in the Big 12 if we won those two easily winnable games.

The UCF game hurt more because it was home and we controlled the game for the first 30 minutes.

Hell, we would be talked about as a borderline-ranked team right now if we won that game. Would be setting up for a 10-win conference season.

Hookem2147 · February 28

I got a bad feeling the Big 12 will slap Cunningham with a one or two game suspension.

jimmyjazz · February 28

1 minute ago, Hookem2147 said:

I got a bad feeling the Big 12 will slap Cunningham with a one or two game suspension.

That would be so Big 12 and such bullshit. I didn't have a problem with the Flagrant 2 but that should be it. He was definitely going for the ball, he just did it in a reckless manner.

Newdoc · February 28

Any benefit if Texas is loses to Baylor and/or ou but looks competent unlike the Houston and Kansas losses?

The_Great_Hornsby · February 28

18 hours ago, HookEm said:

The season could still swing wildly with 4 games to play. Based on the Massey probabilities:

0-4: 3%

1-3: 20%

2-2: 45%

3-1: 25%

4-0: 7%

At 8-10 we definitely get in, regardless of the Big 12 tourney. At 7-11, it is definitely dicey. Probably no better than 50/50 in that case and we would definitely have some work to do in the Big 12 tourney. Still, if those odds hold that gives us over 80% chance to make the tourney. At that point, we could bow out in round 1 or make a deep run.

This team will not see the second weekend of the tourney. What a laughable take.

Newdoc · February 28

2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

That would be so Big 12 and such bullshit. I didn't have a problem with the Flagrant 2 but that should be it. He was definitely going for the ball, he just did it in a reckless manner.

He was initially going for the ball then you saw the devil on his shoulder tell him, “Your timing is late, just hip check the dude into the stands.”

dcar00 · February 28

4 minutes ago, Newdoc said:

Any benefit if Texas is loses to Baylor and/or ou but looks competent unlike the Houston and Kansas losses?

as opposed to football, basketball is almost no "eye-test" BS. so no.

Hookem2147 · February 28

6 minutes ago, Newdoc said:

Any benefit if Texas is loses to Baylor and/or ou but looks competent unlike the Houston and Kansas losses?

A little bit. NET factors in margin of victory/loss and offensive/defensive efficiency metrics. And as long as our NET stays around top 40 we are in good shape.

Edited February 28 by Hookem2147

dcar00 · February 28

5 minutes ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

This team will not see the second weekend of the tourney. What a laughable take.

I would agree barring upsets happening around us. Tech didn't have a big guy that could bully Disu. Even Shedrick kinda had his way.

you bully Disu(especially in the tourney where they let a lot more contact go) and smother Abmas or he has an off night which is about 60/40 and we don't have much else.

It is March though and....Kevin Garnett

RT is making the tourney which looked pretty sketchy after UCF. Good for him.

dcar00 · February 28

5 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

A little bit. NET factors in margin of victory/loss and offensive/defensive efficiency metrics. And as long as our NET stays around top 40 we are in good shape.

agree that they use data. "looking" competent not so much

The_Great_Hornsby · February 28

1 minute ago, dcar00 said:

I would agree barring upsets happening around us. Tech didn't have a big guy that could bully Disu. Even Shedrick kinda had his way.

you bully Disu(especially in the tourney where they let a lot more contact go) and smother Abmas or he has an off night which is about 60/40 and we don't have much else.

It is March though and....Kevin Garnett

RT is making the tourney which looked pretty sketchy after UCF. Good for him.

Lets not start sucking each others dicks just yet. Need to beat Okie State still.

Hermanator · February 28

I think they should be in with 1 more win for sure now. It's frustrating because they're capable of playing good ball they just don't do it often enough to a high level.

No matter what happens at least they scoreboarded those pieces of shit in the last game we'll play them in their place.

dcar00 · February 28

1 hour ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

Lets not start sucking each others dicks just yet. Need to beat Okie State still.

Brock will take care of dirt burglar aggy by himself.

Js1 · February 28

1 minute ago, dcar00 said:

Brock will take care of dirt burglar aggy by himself.

As long as he's not suspended by the Big 12.

HookEm · February 28

1 hour ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

This team will not see the second weekend of the tourney. What a laughable take.

Tell me you're not a college basketball fan without telling me you're not a college basketball fan.

I'm not saying we WILL make the 2nd weekend. But way worse teams than us have in recent years.

Pancho · February 28

1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

That would be so Big 12 and such bullshit. I didn't have a problem with the Flagrant 2 but that should be it. He was definitely going for the ball, he just did it in a reckless manner.

Nearly all conferences have suspension plans for those who get F2s/ejections in a basketball game should it rise to that level. It’s not just the B12. It’s also possible they deem he didn’t do anything to warrant further suspension and either a.) issue just a reprimand or b.) do nothing because the ejection was fine. That’s the protocol everywhere.

Js1 · February 28

6 minutes ago, HookEm said:

Tell me you're not a college basketball fan without telling me you're not a college basketball fan.

I'm not saying we WILL make the 2nd weekend. But way worse teams than us have in recent years.

Yeah worse teams than Texas 2023 have made the second weekend in the NCAAT. It’s all matchups and you finally face new opponents and not hostile road environments

jimmyjazz · February 28

6 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Nearly all conferences have suspension plans for those who get F2s/ejections in a basketball game should it rise to that level. It’s not just the B12. It’s also possible they deem he didn’t do anything to warrant further suspension and either a.) issue just a reprimand or b.) do nothing because the ejection was fine. That’s the protocol everywhere.

My point is that the Big 12 will escalate for Texas more than they would another program. You know this. The fucking commissioner was openly rooting for Tech in football this year, for fuck's sake.

Good riddance to these low rent glass ceiling dirtbags.

The_Great_Hornsby · February 28

37 minutes ago, HookEm said:

Tell me you're not a college basketball fan without telling me you're not a college basketball fan.

I'm not saying we WILL make the 2nd weekend. But way worse teams than us have in recent years.

You said we would make a deep run, which is an elite 8 or better. Dont see that happening even if we play the school of the blind, deaf, and dumb each round. Our team has too many inexcusable fuckups to reach that level. I would be thrilled to be wrong but it would be counter to every indicator and game played this season.

HookEm · February 28

1 hour ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

You said we would make a deep run, which is an elite 8 or better.

You need to slow down and read better. Here is what I said: "At that point, we COULD bow out in round 1 OR make a deep run."

And I stand by that. We could easily lose in the first round. Or we could make it to the Sweet 16, or possibly beyond. I doubt we face a team with TWO better players than Disu and Abmas before the Elite Eight. I mean hell, we took the #1 team in the country to OT. Abmas took Oral freaking Roberts to the Sweet 16 with a worse supporting cast than this.

I wouldn't bet on us making a deep run, but it definitely could happen.

Rickylovesweed · February 28

4 hours ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

This team will not see the second weekend of the tourney. What a laughable take.

I would not bet on this team at all in the tournament. They are certainly capable of losing early but they are also capable of winning a couple games if Disu/Abmas catch fire.

Braff Zacklin · February 28

40 minutes ago, Rickylovesweed said:

I would not bet on this team at all in the tournament. They are certainly capable of losing early but they are also capable of winning a couple games if Disu/Abmas catch fire.

This team is Nuke LaLoosh in basketball form.

Js1 · February 28

6 hours ago, HookEm said:

Updated odds based on Massey:

0-3: 6.5% - Probably an 11 seed if we make it in. Maybe First Four as well.

1-2: 36.7% - Likely 9-10 seed

2-1: 49.9% - Likely 7-8 seed

3-0: 6.7% - We are top-5 in the conference at this point. 6 seed IMO. Maybe even better.

I was actually thinking that same thing.

Most likely a 7 or 8 seed (hopefully 7), with a decent chance of 9 or 10 if we fuck up. A 6 seed is there for the taking if we win out, which is not impossible. Baylor is going to be coming off the KU match and like you said, Love has been out.

PantsTent · February 28

We could be playing ou back to back games if we end up 8th and 9th in the Big12.

HookEm · February 28

Is an 8 seed really better than an 11 seed? If the goal is making the Sweet 16 or farther, I think the 11 seed might be better.

By my rough maths:

8 seed: ~6% you make Sweet 16
- Round 1: 55% vs. 9-seed
- Round 2: 10% vs. 1 seed. Almost no chance you get the 16 seed in round 2.
11 seed: ~15% you make Sweet 16
- Round 1: 40% vs. 6-seed
- Round 2: 30% vs. 3-seed (or) 65% vs. 14-seed

HookEm · February 28

Actually, just looked it up and it seems I'm right. Historic odds by seed:

Slacks · February 28

3 minutes ago, HookEm said:

Is an 8 seed really better than an 11 seed? If the goal is making the Sweet 16 or farther, I think the 11 seed might be better.

By my rough maths:

8 seed: ~6% you make Sweet 16
Round 1: 55% vs. 9-seed

Round 2: 10% vs. 1 seed. Almost no chance you get the 16 seed in round 2.

11 seed: ~15% you make Sweet 16
Round 1: 40% vs. 6-seed

Round 2: 30% vs. 3-seed (or) 65% vs. 14-seed

So... Find the 6th seed that shouldn't be a 6 playing the 11 that should be higher.

HookEm · February 28

I think the takeaway is that 8/9 is a worse case scenario if you are looking to go very far. Have to avoid playing a 1-seed who are generally in a different class than the 2-4 seeds.

Ignatius · February 28

6 hours ago, dcar00 said:

I would agree barring upsets happening around us. Tech didn't have a big guy that could bully Disu. Even Shedrick kinda had his way.

you bully Disu(especially in the tourney where they let a lot more contact go) and smother Abmas or he has an off night which is about 60/40 and we don't have much else.

It is March though and....Kevin Garnett

RT is making the tourney which looked pretty sketchy after UCF. Good for him.

It’s a lot more difficult to bully a guy who can bring your ass 25 feet from the rim and shoot over you…

Js1 · February 28

39 minutes ago, HookEm said:

Is an 8 seed really better than an 11 seed? If the goal is making the Sweet 16 or farther, I think the 11 seed might be better.

By my rough maths:

8 seed: ~6% you make Sweet 16

Round 1: 55% vs. 9-seed

Round 2: 10% vs. 1 seed. Almost no chance you get the 16 seed in round 2.

11 seed: ~15% you make Sweet 16

Round 1: 40% vs. 6-seed

Round 2: 30% vs. 3-seed (or) 65% vs. 14-seed

My hope would be a 6, 7, 10 or 11. Avoid 8/9 as much as possible

hornmpa96 · February 28

6 or 11 would be the best opportunity for getting past the first weekend. That’s the one thing Penders truly understood. Avoid the 1 or 2 seed for as long as possible and hope someone else takes them out.

Ignatius · February 28

13 minutes ago, hornmpa96 said:

6 or 11 would be the best opportunity for getting past the first weekend. That’s the one thing Penders truly understood. Avoid the 1 or 2 seed for as long as possible and hope someone else takes them out.

Hah are you claiming that Penders somehow guided the aircraft to those seeds strategically vs that just being our natural place in the rankings ? The best year we had under Penders we faced a #2 the second game of the tournament in front of 37K of their fans…

Edited February 28 by Ignatius

LTtxfan · February 28

15 minutes ago, hornmpa96 said:

6 or 11 would be the best opportunity for getting past the first weekend. That’s the one thing Penders truly understood. Avoid the 1 or 2 seed for as long as possible and hope someone else takes them out.

Yeah 8/9 sucks. 7/10 is slightly better, but winning a 6/11 1st Rd matchup tends to give that team a much better shot to advance to Sweet 16.

LTtxfan · February 28

9 minutes ago, Ignatius said:

Hah are you claiming that Penders somehow guided the aircraft to those seeds strategically vs that just being our natural place in the rankings ? The best year we had under Penders we faced a #2 the second game of the tournament in front of 37K of their fans…

Oh yeah 🤘

Panama Myers Baby !!! 🤘

Ignatius · February 28

West Campus the night we beat Xavier the next Thursday was fucking glorious…

Pancho · February 29

It was updated the 27th, but Lunardi has us as a 10 seed in Omaha. The 2 seed is God’s Gift.

Fun.

Js1 · February 29

9 minutes ago, Pancho said:

It was updated the 27th, but Lunardi has us as a 10 seed in Omaha. The 2 seed is God’s Gift.

Fun.

It’s a little out of date with us getting another quad 1 win. Not saying we definitely moved up to 9th, but our outlook has changed with the higher likelihood we finish 9-9 now instead of 8-10

Catdaddyhorn · February 29

23 hours ago, Hermanator said:

I think they should be in with 1 more win for sure now. It's frustrating because they're capable of playing good ball they just don't do it often enough to a high level.

No matter what happens at least they scoreboarded those pieces of shit in the last game we'll play them in their place.

I disagree a bit. We're limited by our lack of athleticism and physicality in the backcourt( and wings). Hunter has the necessary athleticism, but he's small and tends to spaz out too frequently to be depended on. Abmas just isn't athletic enough to consistently get good shots off against good defenses. I expected more from Abmas coming into the season given his pedigree, but after watching him play it's obvious why he wasn't considered a high major player coming out of high school. The Big 12 is simply the wrong league for him to play in. There are too many dominant and physically imposing wings/guards in this league for him to play at his optimal level. Ideally you'd love to let Abmas play off the ball and run him off screens all night, but you're putting yourself in jeopardy by asking Hunter to handle the ball that much, so it's a bit of a catch-22.

Edited February 29 by Catdaddyhorn

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