Surly Boxing Thread

[hobbes2702 13485]

11 minutes ago, SpiralOut said:

Beautiful fight.

I think Bivol got hard done a bit.  The 116-112 card was ridiculous.  Beterbiev landed most of his work on Bivol's gloves.  I was leaning more towards 115-113 Bivol or a draw.  

Yea I thought it was strange scoring. Obviously I wasn’t paying as close attention as normal, I was watching the buttfucking happening in Dallas also. I thought Bivol was really good and wouldn’t have had issue with a draw. I hope we get another fight between them.

[SpiralOut 1965]

6 hours ago, hobbes2702 said:

Yea I thought it was strange scoring. Obviously I wasn’t paying as close attention as normal, I was watching the buttfucking happening in Dallas also. I thought Bivol was really good and wouldn’t have had issue with a draw. I hope we get another fight between them.

Right there with ya, man.  I had the game up on one screen and the fight up on my second screen.  Kept one eyeball glued to each.

The JABBR AI stats kind of played out exactly how I thought the fight went.  Beterbiev was busier, but missing and landing ineffective shots, while Bivol was landing the better, cleaner work.  I really think Bivol fucked himself by taking Round 11 off.  Beterbiev wasn't slowing down and Bivol's output dropped in the last three rounds and that's a bad look.  Was Beterbiev actually breaking Bivol down?  Nah.  But perception is reality.

And having that war criminal Khadyrov jumping in the ring, hugging Beterbiev, while it was clear Beterbiev's team got the scores early was just a terrible look.  This is a guy who has had fighters that fell out with him murdered.  Why the fuck is he anywhere near this fight?  I thought the Saudis were supposed to be sports washing their image.  This is the exact opposite of that.

[PittsburghTiger 6346]

So the Mike Tyson v Jake Paul fight is going to happen, next Friday, I guess.

And I think I have read that it is on Netflix, so if you have Netflix it is right there. No pay-per-view.

[hobbes2702 13485]

14 hours ago, PittsburghTiger said:

So the Mike Tyson v Jake Paul fight is going to happen, next Friday, I guess.

And I think I have read that it is on Netflix, so if you have Netflix it is right there. No pay-per-view.

I don’t even know what to think will happen? Like Mikes not gonna die right? And Jakes not either? Seems like either could happen.

[PittsburghTiger 6346]

29 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

I don’t even know what to think will happen? Like Mikes not gonna die right? And Jakes not either? Seems like either could happen.

I think I read that the delay for this fight was because Tyson had a pretty serious ulcer. Hopefully he knocks Paul in the head.

 

Oops, upside your head, oops upside your head.

 

[BigOrange1 6611]

Keyshawn Davis is the future face of the sport.  Incredible performance tonight.

[PittsburghTiger 6346]

9 minutes ago, BigOrange1 said:

Keyshawn Davis is the future face of the sport.  Incredible performance tonight.

Just watched it. Destruction. Very efficient, too.

[APMP 688]

I wanna see Keyshawn fight the Cuban boxer (Cruz) he lost to every time as an amateur, including the 2021 Olympic gold medal bout. Revenge would be sweet as hell.

[AbeFroman 3113]

On 11/8/2024 at 7:54 AM, PittsburghTiger said:

So the Mike Tyson v Jake Paul fight is going to happen, next Friday, I guess.

And I think I have read that it is on Netflix, so if you have Netflix it is right there. No pay-per-view.

Whoa I just checked, didn't know Tyson was +200 for the fight

I guess being almost 60 years old, kind of hard to make you the favorite.

[Scraps 13801]

It is hard for me to overlook the "this is setup bullshit" for these kind of fights, but I will watch this Tyson/Paul one.  I really want Tyson to win, but I think if Paul lands one good body shot this shit is over. 

Age is a motherfucker 

 

[smuggs 9397]

9 minutes ago, Scraps said:

Age is a motherfucker 

Yeah. Tyson was washed up 20 years ago. Assuming this isn't a fictional contest, the chances he can chase down a 27 year old for an extended period of time are slim to none.

[hpslugga 4097]

Me at the gym at Military and Buckner in Dallas.

These dudes that rented it out on Monday

[AbeFroman 3113]

1 hour ago, smuggs said:

Yeah. Tyson was washed up 20 years ago. Assuming this isn't a fictional contest, the chances he can chase down a 27 year old for an extended period of time are slim to none.

Chase down is right, Jake is going to side step and shuffle all night.  I hope Mike can find a magic stamina bean to eat.

[PittsburghTiger 6346]

Pitt hosts WVU Friday night at 8 p.m. EST so hopefully I can get home after that and see it live. If not, I reckon Netflix will show it again, if you want to watch.

I hope Tyson can get to him and knock his ass out but good.

[BurdineBandit 846]

I've been so annoyed at the thought of a 60-year old man pretending to be in fighting shape for the past few months that I haven't even considered, what if Jake Paul lands a big right hand, the type that's knocked out more than a few men in their 30s. The type that stopped Mike Perry. This is a 60 year old man we're talking about. This is probably Top 5 dumbest choices Mike Tyson has ever made in his life. Took me a second to configure the rankings because there's some dumb shit in there that we know of. 

My money is on it being as fixed as they can get away with though. Another disappointing hugfest like Tyson/Jones.

[Bozo_Casanova 26852]

I have thoughts. 

1) Jake Paul isn’t good. But (and I know this isn’t a popular take) he’s not terrible. He’s strong, thick, has enough natural athleticism, and he’s worked hard enough to acquire basic professional boxing skills on the level of a regional journeyman 40 years ago.  He has below average feet and above average speed and power. If he really brings it in the ring he’s the kind of guy who gave Buster Douglas trouble. He’s good enough to hang with a better boxer who doesn’t come in fully committed. 

2) Mike Tyson was spectacular and wonderful to watch, but his success came from a unique combination. First, he was physically unusual- a powerlifting build and supernatural core strength and balance combined with middleweight speed and movement. Secondly,  at his brief peak he essentially treating boxing as a monastic vocation to the exclusion of everything. Third, he only had elite ring skills but was fighting in a style that was archaic and strange even in the mid-80’s. Other professionals couldn’t really spar anyone like him because nobody else did or trained to do what he did.  Buster Douglas beat him  by retreating to first principles for a bigger boxer: distance enforced by a long, hard jab, forcing the smaller man to burn energy to work around it and keep their guard up. At that point, Tyson had left the monastery and as we all know had lots of distractions. His stamina was never exceptional, and it failed him, and he got knocked out. And after that night the old Tyson never came back. He didn’t even really box in the same style anymore. He became much more conventional. The Tyson who went on to beat Tillman and Alex Stewart and maybe Razor Ruddock (twice) was a top level pro, and maybe he could have found himself for the originally scheduled Holyfield fight, but we all know what happened next and after that, the dragon was dead after that, even if the boxer who remained was still a dangerous draw. 
 

3) This isn’t just a fight between a 27 year old and a 58 year old. And it’s also not a fight between a dancing bear and a crafty old champion. It’s a fight between a dangerous puncher coming into his physical prime and a guy who hasn’t really been the MIKE TYSON of our imagination since he the Bruno fight in 1989. 
 

This ridiculous promotion is based on a certain suspension of disbelief. Not just that an old man can beat a young one (and maybe he can), but that there was a boxer named Mike Tyson who was a historically great champion, and that’s not the case. There was a boxing phenom named Mike Tyson who could have been like Rocky Marciano, but he had a spectacular rise and dramatic fall, and came back to eke out a living as a celebrity contender in a division far weaker than the one he dominated years earlier.

Strength and is the last thing to go and assuming the fight is on the level (a huge if) I’ll give Mike Tyson a puncher’s chance for old times sake and I hope he wins.  But none of the elements that made him what he was are with him anymore, and I just don’t see it. 

 

Edited November 14 by Bozo_Casanova

[SurlyBDR 23153]

 

[TexArcher 39074]

This whole thing is ridiculous and sad.

[Pam Cummings 9876]

It would be hilarious if Tyson legit caught him and knocked him out. But I'm not believing in that. Just make it past that first minute and you're good.

[hpslugga 4097]

22 hours ago, AbeFroman said:

Jake is going to side step and shuffle all night. 

Actually he won’t. That’s not his way, and his actual way is what’s going to get him over tonight. 

There’s a reason that when you watch those impressive-looking videos of Tyson working out, there’s a lot you don’t see. You do see a guy looking very good for a few seconds at a time, but it’s always against a trainer wearing a belt pad and mitts. You don’t see him doing cardio and you don’t see him sparring. There’s a reason for that. There’s also a reason that you see vids of his team going nuts over him executing the most mundane moves like slipping out of a corner.

And I take no glee in saying that. I’m one of the biggest Mike Tyson fans there ever was. But I’m also a realist. For this fight to seem competitive will require an outrageous carrying effort by Jake. Otherwise this will end quickly.

Could Tyson catch Jake with a hard, square right hand that puts him down? Yes. If there’s one weakness about Jake Paul that you can say that makes him vulnerable to Mike Tyson, it’s that he’s very sloppy and that sloppiness could potentially leave him open. But as others have said, I’m not seeing it and that’s Mike’s sole path to a win: a first/second round shot heard ‘round the world. 

[SameSame 1752]

The world doesn’t want to see it, but Jake is bigger stronger and 30 years younger.  
There’s a reason Vegas had him at -250

When Mike loses all his stamina after a couple of rounds, Jake’s probably going to put him on the deck and end it.

[SameSame 1752]

22 hours ago, AbeFroman said:

Chase down is right, Jake is going to side step and shuffle all night.  I hope Mike can find a magic stamina bean to eat.

Yeah what that other guy said, there’s really no reason for Jake to run.

[Bozo_Casanova 26852]

10 minutes ago, hpslugga said:

Could Tyson catch Jake with a hard, square right hand that puts him down? Yes. If there’s one weakness about Jake Paul that you can say that makes him vulnerable to Mike Tyson, it’s that he’s very sloppy and that sloppiness could potentially leave him open. But as others have said, I’m not seeing it and that’s Mike’s sole path to a win: a first/second round shot heard ‘round the world. 

That’s exactly right.
as much as people remember his ferocity, Tyson was and is a highly scientific student of boxing, and sees his game the way Tony Gwynn and Steve Nash saw theirs.  Jake Paul will show Tyson a lot of openings and he *will* see them. That said, I’m not sure how much good the vision does him because he probably isn’t fast enough to take advantage, and his age is going to limit his effectiveness pretty severely after the first 2-3 rounds.

[Texasborn91 1102]

So whats a realistic time frame for this to actually show? Won’t be in front of a tv til maybe 8ish

[G650 14438]

So I haven't seriously followed boxing in quite some time, for lots of obvious reasons, but my gut instinct is there is no way this match isn't somewhat scripted.

[hpslugga 4097]

3 minutes ago, G650 said:

So I haven't seriously followed boxing in quite some time, for lots of obvious reasons, but my gut instinct is there is no way this match isn't somewhat scripted.

Depends on what goes down. If it goes 5 rounds or more? Yeah. Likely a work, especially if Tyson ends up winning in that scenario. Over in the first two? Total shoot regardless of who wins. 

[Scraps 13801]

So whats a realistic time frame for this to actually show? Won’t be in front of a tv til maybe 8ish

I dont think this fight will be before 10 pm.

There are like 7 fights on the card.

They are gonna milk it as long as they can

[Bozo_Casanova 26852]

29 minutes ago, hpslugga said:

Depends on what goes down. If it goes 5 rounds or more? Yeah. Likely a work, especially if Tyson ends up winning in that scenario. Over in the first two? Total shoot regardless of who wins. 

That’s an interesting point. On the one hand, the value of Jake Paul as a promotional property goes ballistic if he beats Tyson. On the other hand Paul is the favorite right now at -200. 

[DigDug 1738]

Mike Tyson is not going to follow any script, not happening.

Stop trying to Qanon everything up.

[LonghornJudas 1138]

3 hours ago, hpslugga said:

And I take no glee in saying that. I’m one of the biggest Mike Tyson fans there ever was. But I’m also a realist. For this fight to seem competitive will require an outrageous carrying effort by Jake. Otherwise this will end quickly.

Could Tyson catch Jake with a hard, square right hand that puts him down? Yes. If there’s one weakness about Jake Paul that you can say that makes him vulnerable to Mike Tyson, it’s that he’s very sloppy and that sloppiness could potentially leave him open. But as others have said, I’m not seeing it and that’s Mike’s sole path to a win: a first/second round shot heard ‘round the world. 

Agreed and that's what us fans are really banking on. Tyson getting that clean shot to the body, with that devastating upper cut that just knocks Paul the fuck out.

=I want to see this for many reasons, but also because I like seeing that "old-dad-strength" being on display against someone like Jake. I mean Jake was looking straight at him in the faceoff and never saw Tyson's slap coming. I feel like that was real and he's not ready for someone like Tyson, even at 58, which is why he's not fighting anyone with a significant rank.

Paul isn't terrible, though, and is getting good coaching. Have to recognize that he's somewhat legit.

But here's my take. There will be desire for this to last a few rounds with both boxers getting shots in to make it a good show. The good part is that I don't think Mike is capable of following a script. I know what he said about legacy, but that doesn't mean he's willing to let himself lose this match against someone he certainly doesn't feel will ever be on his level. Paul can also live through any of the possible outcomes. Win/Lose, he has multiple stories he can go with and continue to prosper off it. There is no losing scenario for Paul...unless Mike literally kills him. Mike comes away with the win here and they hug afterwards.

Edited November 15 by LonghornJudas

[Bozo_Casanova 26852]

35 minutes ago, LonghornJudas said:

he's somewhat legit.

He is legit enough for a novelty fight in the worst division at the weakest point in the history of a dying sport. 
 

btw- for those of you looking for a quick knockout by Tyson: they are wearing 14oz gloves, and the rounds are only 2 minutes.

These are celebrity boxing rules. I’d be surprised if anything more than feelings get hurt.

Edited November 15 by Bozo_Casanova

[gofuckyourself 9088]

Tyson bites Paul's nose off and is disqualified.

Paul makes the mistake of bringing the gift pigeon he planned to give to Tyson in case he won, to show it off.

The pigeon escapes in the chaos.

We watch in shock as we see that Tyson also brought his pet falcon, which eats the pigeon.

And the rematch is set for October 2025 on Halloween. Paul wins in a KO round 2.

A year or so after that, Tyson and Paul become business partners on a line of avian related sports drinks called "Pigeon Punch!"

Rob McElhenney sues them.

Edited November 15 by gofuckyourself

[The Dog 44861]

Here's prime Mike Tyson knocking out Michael Spinks in the first round. You won't see this guy tonight, unfortunately:

 

[Red Five 41742]

2 minutes ago, The Dog said:

Here's prime Mike Tyson knocking out Michael Spinks in the first round. You won't see this guy tonight, unfortunately:

 

I watched that on closed circuit TV in the Erwin Center. Times have changed a bit since then.

[SurlyBDR 23153]

3 hours ago, Texasborn91 said:

So whats a realistic time frame for this to actually show? Won’t be in front of a tv til maybe 8ish

Let me guess... you have to take your wife to a wedding shower tonight? 

[The Dog 44861]

Hey, lookie there, Cowboy fans! 

[Rimbo 27034]

2 minutes ago, The Dog said:

Hey, lookie there, Cowboy fans! 

[Texasborn91 1102]

14 minutes ago, SurlyBDR said:

Let me guess... you have to take your wife to a wedding shower tonight? 

Select softball practice. But this isn’t something I would necessarily take a stand on if need be 

[Bozo_Casanova 26852]

To me, this is Mike Tyson's best fight. A knockout of the great Pinklon Thomas in 6. For the record, this fight was a great example of the smart money getting it wrong because ALL the real boxing guys, myself included thought that Pink was too big, too strong, and just too good a boxer for Tyson to cut down to size. 

Do not skip to the 6th round. This is Tyson's masterpiece, and the areas where he struggles in this fight have a lot to do with why he never fought Tim Witherspoon and why his team ducked Holyfield until it was impossible not to. 

Also Angelo Dundee's meltdown at the doctor after the 1st round is pretty great. 

Edited November 15 by Bozo_Casanova

[Aqua Buddha 14807]

Wasn’t this the plot of Rocky 6 (Rocky Balboa)?

[Sbbruin 22144]

4 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Wasn’t this the plot of Rocky 6 (Rocky Balboa)?

I think it was Rocky 7 "Adrian's Revenge" (IYKYK).

[PittsburghTiger 6346]

3 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

He is legit enough for a novelty fight in the worst division at the weakest point in the history of a dying sport. 
 

btw- for those of you looking for a quick knockout by Tyson: they are wearing 14oz gloves, and the rounds are only 2 minutes.

These are celebrity boxing rules. I’d be surprised if anything more than feelings get hurt.

Danny Bonaduce would like a word with you about these "celebrity boxing rules"

 

[Sbbruin 22144]

I'll never forget the summer of '88.  It was the only time I did some summer school to play a little catchup to get out in 4 years.  Got like 30 people to each kick in $5 for the Spinx/Tyson fight and a keg.  I got 2 beers before I sat down so I wouldn't have to get up for a bit.  Sat down, and I think I got one or 2 sips in and the fight was over.  I immediately yelled "no refunds!".  We got drunk anyway.

[PittsburghTiger 6346]

8 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:

I'll never forget the summer of '88.  It was the only time I did some summer school to play a little catchup to get out in 4 years.  Got like 30 people to each kick in $5 for the Spinx/Tyson fight and a keg.  I got 2 beers before I sat down so I wouldn't have to get up for a bit.  Sat down, and I think I got one or 2 sips in and the fight was over.  I immediately yelled "no refunds!".  We got drunk anyway.

I was down at Elon in NC visiting the German when he was playing soccer there, I think Pitt was at Duke or something, or I went down just for soccer, and the Fury v Wilder #3 was also that weekend.

The soccer boys were getting ready for a party and I asked one of the roomies if we were getting the fight before starting the party. They were college kids, albeit at a pretty wealthy school, so I said I wanted to watch the fight so I paid the $80 for the PPV. We started with 20 guys in the apartment, and then all the gals came in too and we had a bout 50 people watching.

It was nice to have longer that the 91 seconds you guys got for Tyson v Spinks. I think, if I remember correctly, I went to the Civic Arena in Pittsburgh for the broadcast of that fight. That was a blast, something that you don't see much of anymore. I remember going to the local theater for Fury v Wilder #2.

Edited November 15 by PittsburghTiger

[Goofyboy 3434]

My parents were not happy that that fight lasted 91 seconds.

[pops 7142]

2 hours ago, The Dog said:

Here's prime Mike Tyson knocking out Michael Spinks in the first round. You won't see this guy tonight, unfortunately:

 

He was fucking incredible for a hot second. He just hunted dudes down like a big cat.  No playing with his food. All gas, no brakes. 

[Goofyboy 3434]

Where can one bet on this fight for fun? I know I’m in “freedom” loving Texas that doesn’t allow gambling, but was hoping for a way around it.

[Horn80 6361]

Tyson got about 1-2 rounds to land big punch then he’s spent and probably give up.

[Pimphand 6371]

[Dbeasy 15598]

Why can’t I log into the fight?