How many of you carry ?

[Judge Roybeanbag 11819]

I’m failing to even see what’s going on here.  We are trying to prevent young people from buying weapons of mass destruction.   Is there a problem with that?

[royiv 9299]

2 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

I’m failing to even see what’s going on here. 

[royiv 9299]

3 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

Is there a problem with that?

Yes, if it results in any regulations on the ownership of any firearm.

[aggie08 21498]

All right, you fucking little drama queen, here ya go:

18 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

So now I have to also buy a gun safe?  Good to know

You have to insure your vehicle, no?

18 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Want my SAT scores?  So what does "full" look like?  You going to scrub my online posts?

Employment history, past addresses, about as thorough as an employer does for a new hire applicant. For those under 21, ideally character references.

18 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

What the actual fuck are you talking about here?  Is there some fucking guy in a booth at McBride's I have to convince I can own a gun?  Did you just quietly kill the entire online gun industry?

I take it you don't have TSA precheck or Global Entry?

20 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

So I also have to get a license to own semi auto pistols and rifles? 

Yes. My driver's license doesn't automatically entitle me to drive a semi truck, motorcylce, or an F1 car. How stupid woulf that be?

18 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

So now I have my online posting history vetted, go through an in-person interview, and get some magical license, and then I have to pass some written test that you are just pulling out of your ass?  What are you testing me on?  That I know how to load it?  Unload it?  Strip it and clean it?  What?

Did you get this worked up for your driving test?

22 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

"Problematic" - So what is the appeals process?  I get put on some fucking list, possibly have someone come take guns I've purchased, and I have to go to court to get them back?  Get fucked.  

I don't know, man. There's nothing to be done here? No possible criteria to identify possible threats? None? That's what we're going with?

24 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

The stupidest of all solutions.  I can't carry a 20 or 30rd mag?  I'll just carry more 10rd mags.  They take about 2-3 seconds to swap out.  This is as fucking stupid as smaller cups to make people less fat.  We know how well that went over.  

Why in the fuck do you even need a 30 round mag other than "Weeeeeee, this is really fun" (not that that isn't a valid reason, because I've done it and it is). More reloads = less bullets downrange and more opportunities for escape or someone to rush the shooter. How is this one even debatable?

[Chuckie Finster 22694]

5 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

I’m failing to even see what’s going on here.  We are trying to prevent young people from buying weapons of mass destruction.   Is there a problem with that?

I mean dead kids are bad, but can you imagine if we made BabaYaga buy a safe for his killing machines?!?

[Judge Roybeanbag 11819]

1 minute ago, Chuckie Finster said:

I mean dead kids are bad, but can you imagine if we made BabaYaga buy a safe for his killing machines?!?

I mean, I wouldn’t want to inconvenience someone.  Geez.   I’m not Hitler.  

[royiv 9299]

FFS you guys are arguing with an arms dealer and this guy:

[aggie08 21498]

12 minutes ago, Handcruser said:

Can you imagine this in practice? Then you’d have the back and forth of administrations wanting to put their own spin on the “tests” and “interviews”. Then the republicans would be all like “well we’re doing this for the guns maybe we can implement a similar program for the transgenders!

None of this would ever pass. Again, Ive said it many times….if you want to accomplish something don’t get retarded.

I said earlier in this thread that I don't necessary want all of those things (and I know they'd never all happen). Just my personal list of ideas to choose from. Are there even a couple that you'd entertain, obviously with some fine tuning from people like yourself? Or nah? 

[Handcruser 2805]

I’m failing to even see what’s going on here.  We are trying to prevent young people from buying weapons of mass destruction.   Is there a problem with that?

Yes, you are failing to see what’s going on here.

[Judge Roybeanbag 11819]

11 minutes ago, Handcruser said:

Yes, you are failing to see what’s going on here.

I’m admitting my failures,   What’s your excuse?  Anything for a dollar?  These people just don’t appreciate the inherent beauty of this gun, that fires a round designed to inflict maximum carnage on human flesh.   How about you admit your livelihood depends on a few nutcases murdering people.  

Edited April 6, 2023 by Judge Roybeanbag

[Handcruser 2805]

I said earlier in this thread that I don't necessary want all of those things (and I know they'd never all happen). Just my personal list of ideas to choose from. Are there even a couple that you'd entertain, obviously with some fine tuning from people like yourself? Or nah? 

Possibly. Although I sell guns every day and RSO at a range as well, I am not against things that couldn’t be abused and would make sense.

The problem is the abuse - the gov will abuse it and then the idea of it will bleed over into other areas.

The enhanced wait on under 21 buyers I thought, personally, was a good idea.

I would also not be opposed to something that would require training. I see it everyday - people have no idea how shit works. I usually take ALOT of time talking about just shooting and how the gun operates and drills to do on the range so they feel “better” about going to the range and operating their firearm.

I’d be in favor of mandatory background checks on private transfers. I would love it in a mobile app so you can do it on the spot and I’d be all for a small charge that went directly to enhancing school security.

I’m sure there are other things. But I’m hungry.

[closetohumping 17440]

Actually scrubbing online posts wouldn't be the worst idea.

[Handcruser 2805]

I’m admitting my failures,   What’s your excuse?  Anything for a dollar?  

No.

[royiv 9299]

6 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

I’m admitting my failures,   What’s your excuse?  Anything for a dollar?  

Anything for a dollar clearly isn't it. As an arms dealer, he could make a ton of money off many of these measures. 

Folks here are arguing with people that wouldn't change their ways unless their own child was caught in the crossfire and maybe not even then.

Edited April 6, 2023 by royiv

[YGIFS 19450]

I'm not being 100% accurate here, but aren't there like tens of thousands of gun deaths each year due to suicide and accidental shootings of one person by another?  I think it's something like 20,000 people per year, no?  

[aggie08 21498]

1 minute ago, Handcruser said:

Possibly. Although I sell guns every day and RSO at a range as well, I am not against things that couldn’t be abused and would make sense.

The problem is the abuse - the gov will abuse it and then the idea of it will bleed over into other areas.

The enhanced wait on under 21 buyers I thought, personally, was a good idea.

I would also not be opposed to something that would require training. I see it everyday - people have no idea how shit works. I usually take ALOT of time talking about just shooting and how the gun operates and drills to do on the range so they feel “better” about going to the range and operating their firearm.

I’d be in favor of mandatory background checks on private transfers. I would love it in a mobile app so you can do it on the spot and I’d be all for a small charge that went directly to enhancing school security.

I’m sure there are other things. But I’m hungry.

A sincere thank you. All of these would be above and beyond what any of would realisitically hope for, at least nationally. Which is of course why they'll likely never happen.

[Judge Roybeanbag 11819]

Meh, the thing is  I don’t really have a problem with @handcruser he’s operating within the rules and seems to have a sense of right and wrong,   My bigger concern is that the people deciding right and wrong are criminals who don’t have their heads screwed on right.  

Edited April 6, 2023 by Judge Roybeanbag

[Neonmoon 38129]

14 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Actually scrubbing online posts wouldn't be the worst idea.

[closetohumping 17440]

Just now, Neonmoon said:

Let's be real, I can think of at least ten, wait at least 30 posters who I would not want armed.

 

 

 

As for Handcruser, I have no doubt that he's sane and reasonable here, but what about in times of stress?  We all lose our head at some point.

[royiv 9299]

12 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

A sincere thank you. All of these would be above and beyond what any of would realisitically hope for, at least nationally. Which is of course why they'll likely never happen.

 

1 minute ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

Meh, the thing is  I don’t really have a problem with @handcruser he’s operating within the rules and seems to have a sense of right and wrong,   My bigger concern is that the people deciding right and wrong are criminals who don’t have their heads screwed on right.  

He doesn't do anything to enact any change. He pays lip service on a message board to appear reasoanble. He still supports the radical NRA. He talk to other arms dealers to attempt to build a coalition that would be more reasonable than the radical NRA. He supports candidates that don't identify school shootings as a problem. The list goes on.

He likes to pretend to engage on here and then he runs off because he's hungry or has to go sell another AR. He did it to me a number of months ago. He asked me to list out a number of things that could potentially be a compromise between both sides of the issue. I did. He responded that he needed to go eat dinner or some such and was gone like a fart in the wind. You guys just think he's better because he can string two thoughts together better than a lot of the other gun guys on this thread. 

[Smax 3800]

The Dems need to go after ammunition, make it illegal to posses 

[Judge Roybeanbag 11819]

Just now, Smax said:

The Dems need to go after ammunition, make it illegal to posses 

To posses what, east?  Are you against beer?

[YGIFS 19450]

I wonder how many people would have gone through with suicide if it weren't for a gun?  That's something you really don't see get measured against other countries?  We do gang violence, mass shootings, child deaths, etc.  But i would think suicide is roughly 'uniform' from country to country, but if we're honest---it can be a knee-jerk action.  Going to the top of a tall building or high bridge or overdosing takes a lot more planning and work and time to contemplate than just going to the safe and eating a revolver. 

[royiv 9299]

This country doesn't care about mental illness so that talking point is never going to move the needle.

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

3 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

I wonder how many people would have gone through with suicide if it weren't for a gun?  That's something you really don't see get measured against other countries?  We do gang violence, mass shootings, child deaths, etc.  But i would think suicide is roughly 'uniform' from country to country, but if we're honest---it can be a knee-jerk action.  Going to the top of a tall building or high bridge or overdosing takes a lot more planning and work and time to contemplate than just going to the safe and eating a revolver. 

A good friend of mind blew his brains out. He was suffering from depression, had a 3 month old baby, was drunk and had an evil wife. He was prone to very rash decisions.

He would not have killed himself that night if he didn’t have a gun in his nightstand.

[Smax 3800]

17 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

To posses what, east?  Are you against beer?

ac but you know what I mean

 

As for beer yeah its meh not really a fan anymore 

[SHOOTER12 8805]

Lord this thread has become a piss slinging beating.

Somebody please nuke this mother fucker from orbit.

[YGIFS 19450]

So more nukes is the answer?    

[SHOOTER12 8805]

4 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

So more nukes is the answer?    

In this case...yes.

[aggie08 21498]

5 minutes ago, SHOOTER12 said:

Lord this thread has become a piss slinging beating.

Somebody please nuke this mother fucker from orbit.

Subscribed. Apologies for repeatedly getting pulled offsides by a well-known dumbass.

[Judge Roybeanbag 11819]

26 minutes ago, Smax said:

ac but you know what I mean

 

As for beer yeah its meh not really a fan anymore 

You know I was just razzing you.   I’m with you on beer.  If I’m going to get fucked up, I want it to taste good and not make me fart.  

[Handcruser 2805]

He doesn't do anything to enact any change. He pays lip service on a message board to appear reasoanble. He still supports the radical NRA. He talk to other arms dealers to attempt to build a coalition that would be more reasonable than the radical NRA. He supports candidates that don't identify school shootings as a problem. The list goes on.
He likes to pretend to engage on here and then he runs off because he's hungry or has to go sell another AR. He did it to me a number of months ago. He asked me to list out a number of things that could potentially be a compromise between both sides of the issue. I did. He responded that he needed to go eat dinner or some such and was gone like a fart in the wind. You guys just think he's better because he can string two thoughts together better than a lot of the other gun guys on this thread. 

I don’t remember that but I do get hungry 2-3 times per day.

I do sell AR’s. I just sold 10 to one customer a bit ago.

I don’t vote along 1 topic.

[Handcruser 2805]

Let's be real, I can think of at least ten, wait at least 30 posters who I would not want armed.
 
 
 
As for Handcruser, I have no doubt that he's sane and reasonable here, but what about in times of stress?  We all lose our head at some point.

What do you mean? If your referring to carrying a firearm then I’ll tell you this -

Carrying a firearm increases your desire to avoid conflict. It’s the opposite of what many of you think.

Just like many women come in for their first gun and they say “I want a small one”. They’re petite, have small hands, etc. they think it’s easier to shoot. It’s the exact opposite - she needs a larger gun that will do more of the work for her.

I

[Biff Tannen 45678]

2 hours ago, YGIFS said:

I wonder how many people would have gone through with suicide if it weren't for a gun?  That's something you really don't see get measured against other countries?  We do gang violence, mass shootings, child deaths, etc.  But i would think suicide is roughly 'uniform' from country to country, but if we're honest---it can be a knee-jerk action.  Going to the top of a tall building or high bridge or overdosing takes a lot more planning and work and time to contemplate than just going to the safe and eating a revolver. 

I took an entire class on suicideology in college.  It was brutal.  There is data on this and, shocker, you are correct.

[Biff Tannen 45678]

1 hour ago, Handcruser said:

I do sell AR’s. I just sold 10 to one customer a bit ago.

Doesn't seem great.

[YGIFS 19450]

Fair points, all handcruser.  You have to admit, you're one of the more responsible dealers in your profession.  I don't have a huge data set, but the ones I do know help traffic guns south of the border because the money is so damn good.  And they do it under the protection of Texas law enforcement, they bring fentanyl on the back north.  

But I think about the fact that every single fucking  year, we have about 10-15k accidental deaths from guns due to unsecure/poorly secured/insert the proper terminology here please-will not offend me in the least GUNS.  Yet we are the most responsible gun-owning nation on Earth.  How can such a country, have the worst fucking luck every fucking goddamn year for like 50 years in a row?  

Edited April 7, 2023 by YGIFS

[YGIFS 19450]

3 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

I took an entire class on suicideology in college.  It was brutal.  There is data on this and, shocker, you are correct.

Was that the semester you got a 4.0 because of your roommate?  

[Judge Roybeanbag 11819]

27 minutes ago, Handcruser said:

Carrying a firearm increases your desire to avoid conflict. It’s the opposite of what many of you think.



 

That’s just your opinion, man and in my opinion is it’s bullshit. A firearm is the very definition of conflict.  I don’t go around wearing a pair of everlast gloves, saying well I’m just preserving my rights never mind the provocation. I’ll rephrase, carrying a firearm indicates you are expecting a confrontation, and if so you’re likely to get one.  

Edited April 7, 2023 by Judge Roybeanbag

[Handcruser 2805]

That’s just your opinion, man and in my opinion is it’s bullshit. A firearm is the very definition of conflict.  I don’t go around wearing a pair of everlast gloves, saying well I’m just preserving my rights never mind the provocation. I’ll rephrase, carrying a firearm indicates you are expecting a confrontation, and if so you’re likely to get one.  

You ever carry?

Doesn't seem great.

Lol. To a gun store in west texas.

[Judge Roybeanbag 11819]

Just now, Handcruser said:

You ever carry?

I have on occasion, but not for fear of other humans, just pigs.  Look, I get the desire, I just don’t think the juice is worth the squeeze.  

[Handcruser 2805]

Fair points, all handcruser.  You have to admit, you're one of the more responsible dealers in your profession.  I don't have a huge data set, but the ones I do know help traffic guns south of the border because the money is so damn good.  And they do it under the protection of Texas law enforcement, they bring fentanyl on the back north.  
But I think about the fact that every single fucking  year, we have about 10-15k accidental deaths from guns due to unsecure/poorly secured/insert the proper terminology here please-will not offend me in the least GUNS.  Yet we are the most responsible gun-owning nation on Earth.  How can such a country, have the worst fucking luck every fucking goddamn year for like 50 years in a row?  

Not a dealer - just work at one.

I also work with a girl whose family owns a gun store in southern az near the border. Anytime they sell a certain weapon or notice certain things (all legal) or a combination of them they alert ATF and thaw it agent is 3 minutes out. Anytime. Every time.

I have on occasion, but not for fear of other humans, just pigs.  Look, I get the desire, I just don’t think the juice is worth the squeeze.  

So how many times have you carried when not hunting?

[closetohumping 17440]

43 minutes ago, Handcruser said:

What do you mean? If your referring to carrying a firearm then I’ll tell you this -

Carrying a firearm increases your desire to avoid conflict. It’s the opposite of what many of you think.

Just like many women come in for their first gun and they say “I want a small one”. They’re petite, have small hands, etc. they think it’s easier to shoot. It’s the exact opposite - she needs a larger gun that will do more of the work for her.

I

Respectfully disagree

[Judge Roybeanbag 11819]

1 minute ago, Handcruser said:

Not a dealer - just work at one.

I also work with a girl whose family owns a gun store in southern az near the border. Anytime they sell a certain weapon or notice certain things (all legal) or a combination of them they alert ATF and thaw it agent is 3 minutes out. Anytime. Every time.
So how many times have you carried when not hunting?

None, really.  There have been times when I’ve had a gun in my truck incidentally, but not for the purpose of protection as such.  I’m also the first person to admit that I’ve been an irresponsible sonofabitch many many times, probably similar to 99% of the population who shouldn’t have ready access to guns.  Or steak knives for that matter.  

[Judge Roybeanbag 11819]

8 minutes ago, Handcruser said:

Not a dealer - just work at one.

I also work with a girl whose family owns a gun store in southern az near the border. Anytime they sell a certain weapon or notice certain things (all legal) or a combination of them they alert ATF and thaw it agent is 3 minutes out. Anytime. Every time.
So how many times have you carried when not hunting?

Anyway we’re getting all sideways here, sorry.  I don’t necessarily have a problem with someone having the RIGHT to carry, I have a problem with their ability.  And their fear motivation.  

[tigol 2395]

56 minutes ago, Handcruser said:

What do you mean? If your referring to carrying a firearm then I’ll tell you this -

Carrying a firearm increases your desire to avoid conflict. It’s the opposite of what many of you think.

Just like many women come in for their first gun and they say “I want a small one”. They’re petite, have small hands, etc. they think it’s easier to shoot. It’s the exact opposite - she needs a larger gun that will do more of the work for her.

I

Ah, so we have identified the "good guys with guns" finally.

[Handcruser 2805]

Ah, so we have identified the "good guys with guns" finally.

Not really.

[YGIFS 19450]

So if we have the most good guys, as the goodest country on Earth.  And if we have the most guns, which we literally do.  Shouldn't we have the least amount of gun violence?  I'm just doing the maths here.  

[Judge Roybeanbag 11819]

13 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

So if we have the most good guys, as the goodest country on Earth.  And if we have the most guns, which we literally do.  Shouldn't we have the least amount of gun violence?  I'm just doing the maths here.  

There will be no maths.  Just stay afraid, locked and loaded, my friend.  Actually you may not be my friend, so all the more reason to carry.  That other guy is carrying.  His is bigger than yours. You should buy a bigger one.  

[YGIFS 19450]

We also have the most accidental gun deaths due to improper storage.  But storage requirements are unconstitutional.  

We also have the most homicides/suicides due to the mentally unhinged.  But background/red flag checks are unconstitutional. 

So there really is nothing left we can do.  Literally.  

I prefer to drive about 70 on the highway.  Others prefer to drive 90.  Anything limiting speed would be unfair to those who wish to drive a responsible 90.  Thank god I don't live in that kind of over-reaching state. 

[Judge Roybeanbag 11819]

11 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

We also have the most accidental gun deaths due to improper storage.  But storage requirements are unconstitutional.  

We also have the most homicides/suicides due to the mentally unhinged.  But background/red flag checks are unconstitutional. 

So there really is nothing left we can do.  Literally.  

I prefer to drive about 70 on the highway.  Others prefer to drive 90.  Anything limiting speed would be unfair to those who wish to drive a responsible 90.  Thank god I don't live in that kind of over-reaching state. 

90 is too few grains.  You need over 100 grains.  150 per cartridge is a good start, I think.  I should ask The Cartridge Family what they shot the Brady Bunch in the head with.  That wasn’t enough power.