2023 Houston Astros Thread

[Snake Diggity 4,625]

Saw a rumor that Houston is interested in James Paxton.  He might be a good target for them, a rental with an injury history but one who has shown to be very effective when on/healthy; that’s the kind of pitcher they might have to roll the dice on if they don’t want to throw away their only good prospect (Gilbert).

[TejasPedro 1,858]

Anyone remember back when we finally had a GM that made good deals on a consistent basis. Not a once in a life time miracle deal that turned out to be kind of ok. Sort of wish we had that again. I was fooled when I thought the Stros finally had an owner that liked winning World Series. Not just another Jersey selling greedy Jerry Jones type owner.

[Scraps 13,569]

Lol calm down. Crane spends money he just did it stupidly this offseason. We literally won the WS last year and have been to 4 of them in last what 6 years?

We have over 2 weeks til the deadline.

[Chuckie Finster 22,702]

21 minutes ago, TejasPedro said:

Anyone remember back when we finally had a GM that made good deals on a consistent basis. Not a once in a life time miracle deal that turned out to be kind of ok. Sort of wish we had that again. I was fooled when I thought the Stros finally had an owner that liked winning World Series. Not just another Jersey selling greedy Jerry Jones type owner.

With an exception to the period from November 2022 - February 2023, we have had arguably the best GM performance in the entire league over the last decade.

[The Dog 44,071]

1 hour ago, Snake Diggity said:

Saw a rumor that Houston is interested in James Paxton.  He might be a good target for them, a rental with an injury history but one who has shown to be very effective when on/healthy; that’s the kind of pitcher they might have to roll the dice on if they don’t want to throw away their only good prospect (Gilbert).

Chowds are only 2 back of the last wild card spot so they'd have to implode first. 

[Texas St. Armadillos 1,381]

Shohei

 

Pena, Korey Lee, Singleton, Chas, B. Abreu

[Guadaloopy 10,988]

1 hour ago, TejasPedro said:

Anyone remember back when we finally had a GM that made good deals on a consistent basis. Not a once in a life time miracle deal that turned out to be kind of ok. Sort of wish we had that again. I was fooled when I thought the Stros finally had an owner that liked winning World Series. Not just another Jersey selling greedy Jerry Jones type owner.

[tx 3 putt 77,215]

1 hour ago, Texas St. Armadillos said:

Shohei

 

Pena, Korey Lee, Singleton, Chas, B. Abreu

angels don’t have the balls to trade him

 

[The Dog 44,071]

Astros are 10-3 when both Altuve and Alvarez play. 

We need them to get back and stay healthy. 

[Gourmand 7,774]

angels don’t have the balls to trade him
 

And they're stuck with the albatross of Rendon's contract.

[tx 3 putt 77,215]

 

9 minutes ago, Gourmand said:

36 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

angels don’t have the balls to trade him
 

And they're stuck with the albatross of Rendon's contract.

rendon and ohtani should be a combo deal 

[tx 3 putt 77,215]

Ohtani is enough to carry any wild card team to the WS, make the them take some of rendon’s contract too. 

always amazes me when more teams don’t dump fa’s at the deadline, when they’re out of the race 

Det, chW, oak, kc, cubs, pit, stL, wash, CR should all be dumping players for prospects 

[Mitch Hedberg 2,090]

If I’m the Angels I’m specifically trying to trade Ohtani to the Astros or Rangers and pull as many of their assets as I can. They probably know Ohtani will never sign back with either of them to stay in Texas, they weaken their divisional opponents future depth moving forward and make themselves better at the same time. Assuming either of them have anything worth trading for equal or better to what is being offered. And they can still try to resign him after the season. Does that make sense to anyone but me? Lol

[Mitch Hedberg 2,090]

It will be great to have baseball back again tonight! Doing nothing but reading crazy trade rumors is driving me nuts

[Gourmand 7,774]

1 minute ago, Mitch Hedberg said:

If I’m the Angels I’m specifically trying to trade Ohtani to the Astros or Rangers and pull as many of their assets as I can. They probably know Ohtani will never sign back with either of them to stay in Texas, they weaken their divisional opponents future depth moving forward and make themselves better at the same time. Assuming either of them have anything worth trading for equal or better to what is being offered. And they can still try to resign him after the season. Does that make sense to anyone but me? Lol

It does make a lot of sense but the problem is most GMs don't want to gamble on a move like that in their own division because if the prospects flop and the trading partner wins a WS with Ohtani, that GM is made a laughingstock and probably out of a job eventually. 

[Snake Diggity 4,625]

2 hours ago, Texas St. Armadillos said:

Shohei

 

Pena, Korey Lee, Singleton, Chas, B. Abreu

Singleton has no trade value.

Angels are set at SS with Neto.

If Ohtani is traded some team is going to have done something dramatic and I hope it’s not the Astros (I don’t think it will be).  I think a competitive Astros offer would be something like Yainer Diaz, Luis Garcia, Spencer Arrighetti, and Pedro Leon.  That would be a costly and likely bad deal for the Astros but it sure would be exciting.

[Hank Chinaski 6,315]

2 hours ago, Texas St. Armadillos said:

Shohei

 

Pena, Korey Lee, Singleton, Chas, B. Abreu

Would not do anything like that for 1 potential postseason with Ohtani. That’s several years of a good starting SS and CF for a single postseason run. 

[tx 3 putt 77,215]

Zero Astro prospects ….

 

[Seasick Sailor 3,747]

I don't think we should get involved in a bidding war for any big splash trade targets. I think the smart move is to add a middle of the rotation SP who can pitch game 3 of the ALDS and Game 4 of the ALCS/WS and a cheap bat if possible.

The bottom line is this: if we don't see improvements from the bats we have and Javier and/or Brown, no one we trade for is going to push us over the top, and if we do see those improvements, we don't anything more that what I mentioned. 

Edited July 14, 2023 by Seasick Sailor

[The Dog 44,071]

[Mitch Hedberg 2,090]

Wow. None in top 100. Meh. They just get to the show and keep winning. 

[Wulaw Horn 19,136]

Got to take 5 hacks at minute made today and made contact all 5 times. I think I watched 100 people hit and only 3 or 4 of those didn’t swing and miss at least once. Hit one solid to shortstop and the other 4 were not exactly great. Was fun. 

[tx 3 putt 77,215]

5 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Got to take 5 hacks at minute made today and made contact all 5 times. I think I watched 100 people hit and only 3 or 4 of those didn’t swing and miss at least once. Hit one solid to shortstop and the other 4 were not exactly great. Was fun. 

 

100% we should include prospect Wulaw in any trade 

[TonyTexas 10,518]

We need  a Wulaw vs Helobious hit-off. Might be tough since Helo claimed he was a better hitter than Joey Gallo. 

[Chuckie Finster 22,702]

1 hour ago, Snake Diggity said:

Singleton has no trade value.

Angels are set at SS with Neto.

If Ohtani is traded some team is going to have done something dramatic and I hope it’s not the Astros (I don’t think it will be).  I think a competitive Astros offer would be something like Yainer Diaz, Luis Garcia, Spencer Arrighetti, and Pedro Leon.  That would be a costly and likely bad deal for the Astros but it sure would be exciting.

While I agree that package is costly and would probably be a bad deal for the Astros, I'm not convinced it would be anywhere close to what will be needed to land Shohei.

Edited July 14, 2023 by Chuckie Finster

[TonyTexas 10,518]

It will be interesting to see how much a premium Ohtani will garner simply to get a head start on negotiations for his next contract. 

[Snake Diggity 4,625]

18 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

While I agree that package is costly and would probably be a bad deal for the Astros, I'm not convinced it would be anywhere close to what will be needed to land Shohei.

Pretty much everything about Ohtani is unprecedented.  Impossible to be confident about what he will bring back if traded.

[tx 3 putt 77,215]

17 minutes ago, TonyTexas said:

It will be interesting to see how much a premium Ohtani will garner simply to get a head start on negotiations for his next contract. 

 

first 3 pitches should be intentional hit by pitch, to each. sets the tone and let's them know that this isn't a joke 

[Wulaw Horn 19,136]

33 minutes ago, TonyTexas said:

We need  a Wulaw vs Helobious hit-off. Might be tough since Helo claimed he was a better hitter than Joey Gallo. 

Man I was shocked I made contact all 5 times. I’m not going to beat Gallo at anything let alone Helo. 

[Hornsbay22 469]

Lets get Hicks from Cards, and Bellinger from Cubs. 

[Chuckie Finster 22,702]

9 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

Pretty much everything about Ohtani is unprecedented.  Impossible to be confident about what he will bring back if traded.

That's a valid statement and likely the source of my doubt.  I do feel like an acquiring team will have to pay a "publicity tax" if the Angels are going to agree to ship out the most famous baseball player in the world.

[Rockethorn1978 6,100]

I’m no GM but I’ve always wondered why more teams don’t make trades the week off for the all star game giving them time to get to their new teams and get as many games in as possible for the second half. Maybe there’s a reason just never made sense to me for teams that know they want to make a roster upgrade.

[TonyTexas 10,518]

1 minute ago, Rockethorn1978 said:

I’m no GM but I’ve always wondered why more teams don’t make trades the week off for the all star game giving them time to get to their new teams and get as many games in as possible for the second half. Maybe there’s a reason just never made sense to me for teams that know they want to make a roster upgrade.

I think many teams need the time to decide if they are buyers, sellers or maintaining status quo. Those decisions affect the market. 

[Scraps 13,569]

Also the selling GMs aren't typically going to trade this far out unless it is an amazing deal.

[UTexasFight 9,515]

3 minutes ago, Scraps said:

Also the selling GMs aren't typically going to trade this far out unless it is an amazing deal.
 

This.

deadlines drive deals. Period. Anyone making deals well in advance have to be playing “spot the fool in the room” in the back of their mind .

[Rockethorn1978 6,100]

23 minutes ago, UTexasFight said:

This.

deadlines drive deals. Period. Anyone making deals well in advance have to be playing “spot the fool in the room” in the back of their mind .

I would think if you know who you want and you go get him before the deadline it would be a good thing. 

[TonyTexas 10,518]

On 7/13/2023 at 2:15 PM, runthebone said:

**Subject to change without notice**

 

Yes, we know, Astros.

Disclaimer was prescient 

 

[The Dog 44,071]

[perfectchaos007 6,677]

6 minutes ago, TonyTexas said:

Disclaimer was prescient 

 

Just can’t catch a break

[kevwun 15,811]

Someone has invented a kick the Astros in the nuts machine and is pressing the start button regularly.

[UTexasFight 9,515]

21 minutes ago, Rockethorn1978 said:

I would think if you know who you want and you go get him before the deadline it would be a good thing. 

Then the fool in the room is the other guy.….unless it’s you because you offered the farm to get it done early and gave up way more than you would have otherwise if there needed up little to no market for the guy 

[Scraps 13,569]

Carlos Correa looks like Ripken Jr compared to these guys

[HtownHorn 14,753]

4 hours ago, The Dog said:

Astros are 10-3 when both Altuve and Alvarez play. 

We need them to get back and stay healthy. 

It is very unlikely that the top 6 of the projected lineup will play in 1 game together this season.

[Guadaloopy 10,988]

1 hour ago, kevwun said:

Someone has invented a kick the Astros in the nuts machine and is pressing the start button regularly.

[tx 3 putt 77,215]

 

he looked pretty healthy at the all star game 

[Scraps 13,569]

Nice DH coming out of the break smh

[Mitch Hedberg 2,090]

Dusty forgot about Diaz over the break. Somebody hang a picture in the managers office.

[BornOrange 1,441]

Diaz not playing the first game after the break???

WTF?!?!?!?!

[UTexasFight 9,515]

Honestly, I don’t need to see Yandy swinging at Ohtani’s 100mph heat at eye-level 3-4 times tonight.

i’m sure that played in to it.

I could actually see Madris coming up big tonight. But that’s just a hunch…which is no way to manage a club 

 

[tx 3 putt 77,215]

790 guys are bringing the lulz about Diaz not in the line up