2023 Houston Astros Thread

[perfectchaos007 6642]

0-2 in September

[patrickdrinksbeer 791]

is it wrong to hope dusty dies before the post season (asking for a friend)?

[CycleTex87 2970]

Member when Singleton had those two HR’s with a bat flip?  I member. 

[David Dennison 18860]

What could possibly be the thinking there?

[Gut Wagon 8073]

100 wins? Let's focus on getting to 80 first.

 

[Dutchrudder 11139]

If I'm Chas, I pack my shit, leave the team and publicly request a trade for next season. That is so fucking disrespectful. 

[Mantis Toboggan, MD 1501]

Fire Dusty. That is criminally stupid.

[WBT 20572]

I'm still a little bit in shock

[David Dennison 18860]

He pinch hit Jon Singleton for one of our best players.

[Wulaw Horn 19070]

6 minutes ago, patrickdrinksbeer said:

is it wrong to hope dusty dies before the post season (asking for a friend)?

I got shrieked at like a banshee on another board saying I hoped maldy pulled a quad and was down for 6 weeks. I assume your Dusty dies wouldn’t go over well. 
I don’t want him dead but any sort of thing that could stop him from fucking shit up would be fine. 

[patrickdrinksbeer 791]

I got shrieked at like a banshee on another board saying I hoped maldy pulled a quad and was down for 6 weeks. I assume your Dusty dies wouldn’t go over well. 
I don’t want him dead but any sort of thing that could stop him from fucking shit up would be fine. 

ahem, asking for a friend. did you gloss over that forcefield?

[Wulaw Horn 19070]

I feel like Renee Russo when Tim cup is losing his mind and she tears up whatever she has in her hand and starts yelling encouragement because her dude is such a stubborn jackass. 
that’s about to be me with Dusty. 
you win Dusty. You’ve crushed my desire to see rationality done and I’m going to go down in a flaming ball of suck with you and three putt you stubborn old fucking retard. 
you do you man. maldy start every game from here on out- hit him cleanup. Play dubon somewhere every day. Make sure he bats leadoff or second. Meyers over Chas. Go back to splitting the lefties. Throw Nerris every day. You do you man. You fucking asshole. Whatever your dream or gut tells you too is the right thing. Keep splitting 10’s and hitting on 18. 

Edited September 3, 2023 by Wulaw Horn

[perfectchaos007 6642]

Mariners up 2 games on Houston now. 

[David Dennison 18860]

Just now, perfectchaos007 said:

Mariners up 2 games on Houston now. 

I'm not worried about the division. I'm worried about making the playoffs.

[runthebone 7982]

Dusty needs to become a figurehead now or be fucking fired.  I don't want to waste a year of this window.

[David Dennison 18860]

Player A: https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/singljo02.shtml

Player B: https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mccorch01.shtml

Hmmm.

 

[WBT 20572]

1 minute ago, runthebone said:

Dusty needs to become a figurehead now or be fucking fired.  I don't want to waste a year of this window.

I mean he's already been a drag for 4 years now.  But yeah, anytime we decide to get smarter would be great.

[Gut Wagon 8073]

And I got hissed at weeks ago for saying we should cut Maldy and fire Dusty after the game. All that's changed since is we've now let more of the season slip away. 

[patrickdrinksbeer 791]

Player A: https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/singljo02.shtml
Player B: https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mccorch01.shtml
Hmmm.
 

if you just have to PH for chas for some assinine reason, it has to be altuve. who the fuck believes jon singleton is a better bet than busted shin altuve in that spot?

[David Dennison 18860]

At least Arlington lost.

[patrickdrinksbeer 791]

At least Arlington lost.

and TOR

[Overlord 366]

I’m happy that Dusty got his championship. 
 

Last year’s team was so strong that we didn’t have much need for a sound game manager. 
 

This team is in need of good, intelligent, strategic management. 
 

And Dusty no longer provides what this team needs. 
 

It’s time for Dusty to take the train out of town.

I’d say Dusty’s WAR is on par with Singleton, which explains everything. 

[tx 3 putt 76958]

Analytics !

Dusty Baker said the Astros “projections” showed Jon Singleton was projected to hit .275 off Clay Holmes. Chas McCormick was .220, Baker said. Baker was worried about Holmes running the sinker in on McCormick, and said “that’s why we have Singleton up here” to take those ABs

Can you fire a manager for following the numbers and not his gut ?

Edited September 3, 2023 by tx 3 putt

[tx 3 putt 76958]

We really need a surly poster in the Astros analytics group 

[HtownHorn 14683]

7 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

Altuve has passed both with this current playoff run. We’re the modern big red machine.

bregman has passed both for me too, on the same playoff run 

 

choo, choo mother fuckers 

Correct Altuve has 23 post-season HRs. Biggio and Bagwell have 4 combined. Altuve is the greatest Astro of all time and it's not even close.

[HtownHorn 14683]

Fuck Dusty Baker. He's a fucking awful manager and has always been fucking awful.

[David Dennison 18860]

4 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

Analytics !

Dusty Baker said the Astros “projections” showed Jon Singleton was projected to hit .275 off Clay Holmes. Chas McCormick was .220, Baker said. Baker was worried about Holmes running the sinker in on McCormick, and said “that’s why we have Singleton up here” to take those ABs

Can you fire a manager for following the numbers and not his gut ?

He definitely took, that's for sure.

[Dutchrudder 11139]

8 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

Analytics !

Dusty Baker said the Astros “projections” showed Jon Singleton was projected to hit .275 off Clay Holmes. Chas McCormick was .220, Baker said. Baker was worried about Holmes running the sinker in on McCormick, and said “that’s why we have Singleton up here” to take those ABs

Can you fire a manager for following the numbers and not his gut ?

Link? If this includes triple A games I could see why the numbers are in his favor. If not, how could he have enough at bats for it to be relevant?

[oh_snap 694]

8 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

Analytics !

Dusty Baker said the Astros “projections” showed Jon Singleton was projected to hit .275 off Clay Holmes. Chas McCormick was .220, Baker said. Baker was worried about Holmes running the sinker in on McCormick, and said “that’s why we have Singleton up here” to take those ABs

Can you fire a manager for following the numbers and not his gut ?

This is the stupidest shit ever. He was playing the odds that Singleton would draw a walk (that .275 has to be on base pct, nfw it is batting avg)?!? So Peña could fuck it up after him? Seriously?!?!  Gtfo dusty. 

[Jshep34 2308]

This greatest astro debate leaving off Cesar, Doran, spiers, Doran, kerfield, and Glenn Davis is nuts.
Bottom line also Dusty is going to cost this team playoff spot.

[tx 3 putt 76958]

11 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

Link? If this includes triple A games I could see why the numbers are in his favor. If not, how could he have enough at bats for it to be relevant?

https://x.com/chandler_rome/status/1698161474621882635?s=46&t=cH-LvFrUDSIxqTdoyXUTxg

 

 

[David Dennison 18860]

 

[tx 3 putt 76958]

Would the surly manager ditch analytics or hit who they want ? 

 

is anyone going to fist bump dusty for following the numbers ?

[tx 3 putt 76958]

Surly thread anger is misdirected, why is Singelton even on the roster ?

[David Dennison 18860]

3 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

Surly thread anger is misdirected, why is Singelton even on the roster ?

I tend to agree, but . . . "We lost that game long before then."

"Then" was a 5-4 game in the bottom of the ninth with a man on.

 

Edited September 3, 2023 by David Dennison

[tx 3 putt 76958]

Congrats to Diaz on #20

[Welch 635]

The league is batting .238 against Holmes this year.  It was .196 last year.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/holmecl01.shtm

If the Astros’ analytics department really had Jon fucking Singleton hitting .275 against him, the whole organization is more fucked than we thought.

Seems much more likely to me that the toothpick-chewing moron just didn’t understand the analytics, or just made shit up for the sycophants to parrot all night   Seems like that part worked, too.

 

[Dutchrudder 11139]

Chas has had 1 at-bat against Holmes this year, and got a hit. Any analytics about how he would perform in that spot must be based how he performed against similar pitchers. 

[UTexasFight 9450]

The epitaph for this team if it misses the playoffs it going to be “pinch-hit for the 3rd highest OPS on the team with Jon Singleton”

[Overlord 366]

If we somehow make the playoffs, and that fat sack of shit Singleton has a plate appearance, I’m going to burn down Dusty’s “Fuck Shack” in Malibu. 

[Gourmand 7774]

3 hours ago, perfectchaos007 said:

Mariners up 2 games on Houston now. 

?????

only if your "2 games up"  is in the event of a tie at the end of the regular season, otherwise we are a game back and Arlington is two back. 

Edited September 3, 2023 by Gourmand

[Wulaw Horn 19070]

5 hours ago, Gourmand said:

?????

only if your "2 games up"  is in the event of a tie at the end of the regular season, otherwise we are a game back and Arlington is two back. 

Maybe it’s 2 up in the loss column. Which is the more important one at this time of the year. Probably. 

[Gut Wagon 8073]

7 hours ago, Dutchrudder said:

Chas has had 1 at-bat against Holmes this year, and got a hit. Any analytics about how he would perform in that spot must be based how he performed against similar pitchers. 

While "leaving the thinking" to Dusty isn't the whole reason we're in this bind, it's a huge part of the reason. Crane or Brown might not care that we're running this race while dragging an anchor, but I sure do. Might be too late to salvage this season regardless. 

[Mitch Hedberg 2090]

I woke up from my drunken football stupor and thought maybe I was just drunk and imagined Singelton pinch hitting for Chas. Still hard to fathom. Harder to swallow is that idiot Dusty spouting off about projections and averages while playing Maldonado over Diaz everyday. That moron cannot gtfo of here fast enough. 

[kevwun 15789]

God damn putt.  You don't have to go down on the SS Dusty.  He's blaming numbers because his decision is indefensible and was made because he's an idiot who hates Chas.

[tx 3 putt 76958]

Surly thread - dusty hates analytics, he’s dumb !

Surly thread - dusty used analytics, he’s dumb !
 

😂😂😂😂 

[kevwun 15789]

This is the same guy who tried to say Diaz and Maldonado were basically the same hitter.  You think he cares about numbers now?  It's the only thing he can latch on to in order to explain what he did.  There is not a person in this thread who would have made that move, you included.

Edited September 3, 2023 by kevwun

[Mitch Hedberg 2090]

I’ve always been kind of ambivalent about baseball managers. In baseball, there is no playbook like football to call plays or defense, you don’t diagram a last minute shot like basketball to get the ball in your best players hands. I know there are some subtle things managers can do but for the most part, in my mind, managers lose way more games than they win. Their one main job is just putting the best players out there on the Diamond. After that, it’s all individual performance. Dusty fails miserably at his one main duty as manager almost daily. There’s not one game in my mind where anyone can say we would have lost without Dusty. But several where we can sure blame him. I think that’s the nature of baseball honestly. You don’t notice the good ones as much because they usually have good players and don’t do dumb shit like pinch hit for the guy with the third highest OPS with a guy who should be working in a warehouse.

[tx 3 putt 76958]

The radio pre game has much more substance than the broadcast, they’ve talked about match ups vs specific pitchers, through out the season. 
 

that L sucked, maybe we find some clutch hits today 

[David Dennison 18860]

37 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

The radio pre game has much more substance than the broadcast, they’ve talked about match ups vs specific pitchers, through out the season. 
 

that L sucked, maybe we find some clutch hits today 

Hopefully our manager uses the players most likely to produce clutch hits.