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Am I the only one that can't stand the sight of Altuve, Bregman or Tucker?  Something about each one of them just pisses me off.  

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10 hours ago, uoftorange said:

I had to go look, because I remembered Abreu actually being exactly what we would want him to be in Spring Training.  And yep, he was really good.  I just don't get it.  It's not like he's missing 99 MPH fastballs, he's getting a steady diet of 93-95 and just can't hit it.  Not even good fastballs a lot of the time

 

Yuli was killing it in Spring Training last year also. 

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On 5/9/2023 at 8:51 AM, Chuckie Finster said:

A bit of an unrelated point, but it's absolutely wild how terrible almost every ex-Astro is doing this season.

Aledmys Diaz: -1.0 WAR

Trey Mancini: -0.7

Tony Kemp: -0.5

George Springer: -0.5 

Yuli Gurriel: 0.0

Christian Vazquez: 0.1 

Carlos Correa: 0.2 

This got me curious so I looked at all (most?) of the names that were tied to us in the offseason:

Willson Contreras - 5 years/$87.5m - .266/.343/.395 WAR, 0.5 WAR

Brandon Nimmo - 8 years/$162m - .300/.400/.446, 1.4 WAR

Michael Conforto - 2 years/$36m - .168/.300/.297, -0.5 WAR

Andrew Benintendi - 5 years/$75m - .262/.314/.315, 0.0 WAR

Josh Bell - 2 years/$33m - 2 years/$40m - .222/.331/.365, 0.0 WAR

Anthony Rizzo - 2 years/$40m - .296, .385, .467, 1.2 WAR

Christian Vazquez - 3 years/$30m - .225/.303/.263, 0.0 WAR

Tucker Barnhart - 2 years/$6.5m - .182/.245/.205, -0.3 WAR

Yuli Gurriel - 1 year/$1.25m - .256/.295/.402, -0.1 WAR

Daulton Varsho - .240/.320/.411,  1.0 WAR (meanwhile the pieces Toronto gave up to get him, Lourdes Gurriel Jr and Gabriel Moreno, each have 0.9 WAR) 

Justin Verlander - 2 yrs/$87.7m - 5 IP, 0-1, 3.60 ERA, 0.1 WAR (immediately put on injured list, lost his only start of season)

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Conclusion, that's a whole lot of suck.  The only dudes who unquestionably would have made us better to this point are Rizzo and Nimmo, and I'm not sure there's any way we would have been able to pry either of them from NY given the offers they received.  (And, while Nimmo would have been an upgrade in 2023, that contract has a chance to get real ugly by the end.)  And sure, we would also prefer Bell's numbers to what Abreu has been putting up, but we would still be bitching at the signing had we gone that route.  Also, all those weird rumors about how we didn't want to use Contreras at Catcher seem to be pretty prescient given the recent developments in St. Louis.

While our three big contracts (Montero, Abreu, Brantley) are looking like shit so far, that seems to be a theme for all the players on the market this past year.  Just a complete dud of an offseason.  (And this is not meant to be a defense of the front office, just a statement about the players who were available.)

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2 hours ago, Chuckie Finster said:

This got me curious so I looked at all (most?) of the names that were tied to us in the offseason:

Willson Contreras - 5 years/$87.5m - .266/.343/.395 WAR, 0.5 WAR

Brandon Nimmo - 8 years/$162m - .300/.400/.446, 1.4 WAR

Michael Conforto - 2 years/$36m - .168/.300/.297, -0.5 WAR

Andrew Benintendi - 5 years/$75m - .262/.314/.315, 0.0 WAR

Josh Bell - 2 years/$33m - 2 years/$40m - .222/.331/.365, 0.0 WAR

Anthony Rizzo - 2 years/$40m - .296, .385, .467, 1.2 WAR

Christian Vazquez - 3 years/$30m - .225/.303/.263, 0.0 WAR

Tucker Barnhart - 2 years/$6.5m - .182/.245/.205, -0.3 WAR

Yuli Gurriel - 1 year/$1.25m - .256/.295/.402, -0.1 WAR

Daulton Varsho - .240/.320/.411,  1.0 WAR (meanwhile the pieces Toronto gave up to get him, Lourdes Gurriel Jr and Gabriel Moreno, each have 0.9 WAR) 

Justin Verlander - 2 yrs/$87.7m - 5 IP, 0-1, 3.60 ERA, 0.1 WAR (immediately put on injured list, lost his only start of season)

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Conclusion, that's a whole lot of suck.  The only dudes who unquestionably would have made us better to this point are Rizzo and Nimmo, and I'm not sure there's any way we would have been able to pry either of them from NY given the offers they received.  (And, while Nimmo would have been an upgrade in 2023, that contract has a chance to get real ugly by the end.)  And sure, we would also prefer Bell's numbers to what Abreu has been putting up, but we would still be bitching at the signing had we gone that route.  Also, all those weird rumors about how we didn't want to use Contreras at Catcher seem to be pretty prescient given the recent developments in St. Louis.

While our three big contracts (Montero, Abreu, Brantley) are looking like shit so far, that seems to be a theme for all the players on the market this past year.  Just a complete dud of an offseason.  (And this is not meant to be a defense of the front office, just a statement about the players who were available.)

Really good work. 
We spent 44M and left 20 or 25m unspent- so that would have been 70M to spend more or less. I wanted to do the following:

abreu- 20m

contreras- 17m

Nimmo- 20M Or trade for Kris Bryant at 20M 

 

Let Montero, Brantley, Aledmis Diaz, Yuli, Maldy, Maton and Dubon go  

I’m a better GM than Bagwell.  It still would have been an off-season of suck.

Holy shit almost all the answers were wrong  damn.  

 

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Slowing him down, not going to rush him back. Announcement this afternoon 
I wish they'd tell us the truth. He missed a couple of weeks of spring training for a "family matter" or some such. I hope he's not hooked on meth or something.
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I wish they'd tell us the truth. He missed a couple of weeks of spring training for a "family matter" or some such. I hope he's not hooked on meth or something.
Yes a meth drug test is even better rumor than just steroid drug test so I like that as well
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