2023 MLB thread

[Scraps 13561]

Shohei 1st inning:  2K on the mound.  418 ft HR at the plate.

Of course he did. Fuck you espn fantasy

[Gil Bang 25958]

Kershaw no-no thru 5

Shohei 2 innings pitched 4 K.

[Gil Bang 25958]

Kershaw gives up a hit

I hope I jinxed him, because fuck the dodgers

[shadow_operative2.0 15983]

 

And then he gets the W when KC blows it in 9th. 

[shadow_operative 15932]

 

 

[shadow_operative2.0 15983]

Same P, talk about earning your W. 

[Gil Bang 25958]

infield popup.  Shohei calls everybody off and gets it.

[Helobious 9454]

7 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

infield popup.  Shohei calls everybody off and gets it.

[miguelito 11266]

24 minutes ago, shadow_operative said:

 

 

That umpire's life just flashed before his eyes. 

[Gil Bang 25958]

Shohei 3K in the 6th.

9 total.  2-0 Angels.

[Pato del Muerto 52498]

2 hours ago, Zepol87 said:

Sucks you had to catch a night game.  Bound to be a different experience than the early pregaming and heading to a bar post game at 4 pm. 

[Gil Bang 25958]

Shohei almost got the Charlie Brown.  110 mph line drive right back at him.  No idea if his shoes and socks would have fallen off.

Edited June 28, 2023 by Gil Bang

[Gil Bang 25958]

 

[UTexasFight 9450]

Ohtani’s out of control

[Gil Bang 25958]

The greatest player to ever play the game just hit is 2nd homer to go with the 10 strikeouts.

13 HR in June.

He got pulled from the mound because of a cracked fingernail

[UTexasFight 9450]

2 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

The greatest player to ever play the game just hit is 2nd homer to go with the 10 strikeouts.

13 HR in June.

But only a 2 run lead with 6 outs to get…

[Gil Bang 25958]

which has fuckall to do with him being the best player in history.

 

Seriously y'all.  When the Angels come to town, take your kids, take your grandkids.  Go see this motherfucker. It's a once-in-a-lifetime deal.  They won't forget it.  He's Vince Young squared.

[Gil Bang 25958]

9 minutes ago, UTexasFight said:

But only a 2 run lead with 6 outs to get…

Maybe if his team could cheat by beating on a fucking trash can they could score more runs, but they don't do that, because they aren't fucking cheating scumbags.

Edited June 28, 2023 by Gil Bang

[UTexasFight 9450]

8 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

Maybe if his team could cheat by beating on a fucking trash can they could score more runs, but they don't do that, because they aren't fucking cheating scumbags.

[Gil Bang 25958]

 

[shadow_operative2.0 15983]

White Sox sure donked off that top 9. 

[ztejas 43449]

42 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

The greatest player to ever play the game

Nah. We aren't there yet. 

[Gil Bang 25958]

2 minutes ago, shadow_operative2.0 said:

White Sox sure donked off that top 9. 

fucking Angels. 

 

 

2 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Nah. We aren't there yet. 

who's better?

[Vic Mackey 47038]

[Gil Bang 25958]

1 minute ago, Vic Mackey said:

Hell of a player having a hell of a season. I'd like to see him play up close and personal. 

[ztejas 43449]

10 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

who's better?

In terms of what? I feel like you're after some super exclusive definition of "best player ever" that would result in Shohei being the clear answer. 

[Gil Bang 25958]

2 minutes ago, ztejas said:

In terms of what? I feel like you're after some super exclusive definition of "best player ever" that would result in Shohei being the clear answer. 

in terms of playing baseball. He's the clear answer.   The game of baseball.  All the baseball shit.  Baseball shit.  Have you ever played baseball?  If so, you know what it takes to play baseball.  If you played little league, the best player in your league was probably the best hitter and also the best pitcher.  That's Shohei.   He's THAT GUY from little league.

[shadow_operative 15932]

shohei is the best baseball player who has ever lived. he needs more (any) titles to be considered the greatest, but he's the best baseball player ever.

[ztejas 43449]

But he isn’t the best hitter or best pitcher ever. Or best fielder. And he isn't anywhere close to any of those things. 

That's why I'm saying I think you need to define "best player ever" when you claim someone. 

[Gil Bang 25958]

That's a distinction without a difference.  Baseball is a team game.  The best player cannot get titles without good players around him, and the player doesn't control who's on the team.

 

[Gil Bang 25958]

1 minute ago, ztejas said:

But he isn’t the best hitter or best pitcher ever. Or best fielder. And he isn't anywhere close to any of those things. 

That's why I'm saying I think you need to define "best player ever" when you claim someone. 

He does more things well than anyone else has ever done   He's an all-star as a pitcher.  He's an all-star as a hitter.  

He's the best player by a mile on a team that has Mike Trout, who was generally considered the best player in baseball for the last decade or so. 

[Gil Bang 25958]

4 minutes ago, ztejas said:

But he isn’t the best hitter or best pitcher ever. Or best fielder. And he isn't anywhere close to any of those things. 

That's why I'm saying I think you need to define "best player ever" when you claim someone. 

So, who's your MVP vote right now? 

[ztejas 43449]

1 minute ago, Gil Bang said:

He does more things well than anyone else has ever done   He's an all-star as a pitcher.  He's an all-star as a hitter.  

He's the best player by a mile on a team that has Mike Trout, who was generally considered the best player in baseball for the last decade or so. 

Yeah I mean that doesn’t make him the best or greatest player of all time for me. He had a position player beat him out for total WAR last season. 

[ztejas 43449]

2 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

So, who's your MVP vote right now? 

Obviously Shohei. I didn't know this season's MVP vote also meant we were crowning the greatest player in the history of the game. 

You realize some guys have more than 2 MVPs, right? 

[Gil Bang 25958]

1 minute ago, ztejas said:

Yeah I mean that doesn’t make him the best or greatest player of all time for me. He had a position player beat him out for total WAR last season. 

that's a bullshit stat.  

If you were picking a team today, who's your first pick?

[Gil Bang 25958]

Just now, ztejas said:

Obviously Shohei. I didn't know this season's MVP vote also meant we were crowning the greatest player in the history of the game. 

You realize some guys have more than 2 MVPs, right? 

Stop pussyfooting around.  Grab your balls, and name a baseball player better than Shohei.  Ever.  Ruth, Aaron, Mantle,  Chuck Knobloch, whoever. Pick one.  

[ztejas 43449]

Dude go to bed. You don't even know what you're arguing at this point. 

[shadow_operative 15932]

shohei is a top 5-8 starting pitcher and a top 10 hitter league wide. he could win a silver slugger as a DH and a Cy Young as a pitcher in the same season. there's never been anyone even close to that impactful from both sides. he's the best player ever. 

[shadow_operative 15932]

shohei is currently no.11 in pitching war and no.7 in hitting war. and if it weren't a health risk he could be/would be a very good outfielder. he's the best. 

[ztejas 43449]

His overall impact still seems to be in line with the best position players of all time. So why is he automatically better than all of them? 

[shadow_operative 15932]

31 minutes ago, ztejas said:

His overall impact still seems to be in line with the best position players of all time. So why is he automatically better than all of them? 

 

he has the pitching WAR of nathan eovaldi and Zac Gallen, and the hitting WAR of juan soto and freddie freeman. and he's one guy. what's not to understand? 

*reminder that he's good enough to be one of the better defensive outfielders in the league if that wasn't such an injury risk for a guy who is already one of the 10 best pitchers *and* hitters in baseball. 

[shadow_operative 15932]

imagine if freddie freeman was 9-3 with a 2.82 era, 1.00 whip, and 101 k in 105.1 ip (leading the league in cg, so, and ip). that's shohei ohtani. 

[Zepol87 9186]

2 hours ago, ztejas said:

Nah. We aren't there yet. 

Pretty damn close 

[miguelito 11266]

6 hours ago, Vic Mackey said:

So right now, is he the first player with 19 HR, 35 SB, and 50 RBI before the break?

[cmontexas 3271]

Bonds is the best player ever

[Herbie Hancock 7348]

Goddammit Gil went old school full tilt Derka last night.

[Pato del Muerto 52498]

The obvious and easy comparison is Ruth since he pitched at the beginning of his career. 
 

and he was very good. 
 

http://www.baberuthcentral.com/babe-ruth-statistics/babe-ruth-the-pitcher/#:~:text=Wins (65 career)%3A,the Majors from 1915-17.

 

lots of great stats and notes there. 
 

As is always the case, comparing players in different eras adds a level of subjectivity, but compared to his peers, Ruth has the numbers on ohtani.  He didn’t have the longevity as a pitcher, so that comparison will get tougher the longer ohtani continues to pitch and pitch well. 
 

and btw not bad company to be in if that’s your best and closest comp. 

Edited June 28, 2023 by Pato del Muerto

[Underdog 28634]

Gil Bang’d 

[Beau Vine 54230]

7 hours ago, shadow_operative said:

imagine if freddie freeman was 9-3 with a 2.82 era, 1.00 whip, and 101 k in 105.1 ip (leading the league in cg, so, and ip). that's shohei ohtani. 

And I can already imagine if he called off the other infielders to catch a popup.

[Helobious 9454]

9 hours ago, Gil Bang said:

Stop pussyfooting around.  Grab your balls, and name a baseball player better than Shohei.  Ever.  Ruth, Aaron, Mantle,  Chuck Knobloch, whoever. Pick one.  

Babe Ruth is the obvious comparison. And he was better.