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Imagine your basis of hating Trump is because of mean tweets, January 6 and “hush money” trial all because liberal media is crooked. Fuck right off. This is my last post in this forum  dumb fucki

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When you're a court, you just grab their asset, and they let you do it!

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Bye bitch. Enjoy living in literal hell if your man Biden is re elected

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35 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I'm willing to bet that it's 34 falsified documents they have, each a separate count of falsifying business records.

Thirty-four counts does not usually lead to 34 sentences, and even if it did, they would in all likelihood run concurrently.

It does, however, give the prosecution 34 separate chances to obtain a conviction.

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15 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

Alright, selling Trump Arraignment Bingo for tomorrow, or pay my TAB.  90% of the proceeds go to me personally for no reason other than it shows your patriotism.  

But seriously-predictions for crazy shit that happens both inside AND outside the courtroom tomorrow in Lower Manhattan.   Our lines are open.  

Upper middle square---Roger Stone shows up shirtless, Trump talks over the Judge, or Eric starts crying out of confusion.

We are also doing over/under on arrests within a 1-mile radius of the courthouse.  This one I'm not sure about though, as the lines have been muddied after Clay & Buck predicted that all the violence there tomorrow will be committed by false flag ANTIFA.  

Finally point spread on how many times Trump accidentally says, "Fifth Amendment/Previous Answer" to a charge reading when he should be saying "Not Guilty"?  Money line says -$150 on at least 5 out of 34.  

100-1 he refers to Bragg's wife as "that cunt from Pittsburgh" at some point, even if on a hot mic.

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1 hour ago, BamaATL said:

Prepare to be shocked.  And they got the Trump Org for tax fraud.  

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/06/politics/trump-organization-fraud-trial-verdict/index.html

Again, the amazing part of this will be just how stupid it is.  They kept records and paper trails.  Trump is the guy that robs a house, and if that weren't potentially enough to place you in legal peril, he ups the ante and brings a gun for no reason.  

Trump is the guy that robs the house and then keeps coming back to the scene.

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Refresh my memory - these hush money payments that he made to the porn star - these were to keep her quiet about how he was fucking her while his third wife was at home with their infant son? And this is the president who is unable to name a single book from the Bible? Asking for every single right wing christian.

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Refresh my memory - these hush money payments that he made to the porn star - these were to keep her quiet about how he was fucking her while his third wife was at home with their infant son? And this is the president who is unable to name a single book from the Bible? Asking for every single right wing christian.

He was a moron for paying them off. No one gave a shit.

Double moron for using campaign funds to do it. But that’s what he does.

So here we are, about to get the clown show of all clown shows.
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7 minutes ago, tbone_ said:


He was a moron for paying them off. No one gave a shit.

Double moron for using campaign funds to do it. But that’s what he does.

So here we are, about to get the clown show of all clown shows.

Actually, he didn't use campaign funds.  That's what he thinks exonerates him.

The money paid was for the primary benefit of his campaign/candidacy, and the "services purchased" thus were in-kind campaign contributions that he reimbursed.

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Remember MAGA nation, when this all comes out 21+ years after his death.  He sold out your country's national security..............AS A BILLIONAIRE, for $18mm.

And your predictable, moronic response will be, "Well, I mean $18mm when Nixon left office...with this high inflation...........that's like gotta be $19mm by now, right?"  

Everyone of us.  All of us.  To a man.  Get duped every single day.  We make a mistake, a coworker fools us, our kids white lie us, a driver's turn signal makes us do something foolish.  We are an easily fooled species.  Like cats tracking a laser pointer, just with opposable thumbs and a hearty cerebral cortex.  

What sets you beautiful goofballs apart is you're proud of it.  While the rest of try to improve and feel shame, you swell up with pride.  You will be studied for centuries as the stupidest smart people to ever walk advanced civilizations.  Your legacy wont be that you saved America.  To be fair, it won't be that ruined America.  It'll just be this weird blip in history when ignorance and divisiveness became a virtue for about 25mm stupid people in America that didn't have to tilt that way but became centers of celebration for some as of yet unknown reason.  

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Actually, he didn't use campaign funds.  That's what he thinks exonerates him.
The money paid was for the primary benefit of his campaign/candidacy, and the "services purchased" thus were in-kind campaign contributions that he reimbursed.

Ok so let’s assume the accounting is/was accurate and the prosecution really can’t trace the money to campaign funds… why is it illegal to pay a couple of hoes to stfu?
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12 minutes ago, tbone_ said:


Ok so let’s assume the accounting is/was accurate and the prosecution really can’t trace the money to campaign funds… why is it illegal to pay a couple of hoes to stfu?

The accounting wasn’t accurate. If it benefited his campaign, it should be shown on his disclosures as a campaign contribution either from the Trump Org or Michael Cohen.

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9 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

Fair enough.

How will they prove it was to benefit the campaign?

Also, why is it illegal to pay hoes to stfu?

It isn’t. It’s illegal not to report it as a campaign contribution. You see if you run for public office you have to disclose when you receive contributions. It’s kind of a big deal. 

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You can pay somebody to not talk about having sex with you while your cum-guzzling whore of a wife is home with your newborn.  No problem there.  

it was how they handled the reimbursement.  It's been explained to death on here already.  Just let the process unfold.  but fucking the [pornstar and she revealing are the least of his problems.  Literally, the least.  Next up is paying somebody on retainer to pay her hush money.  Again, not the biggest deal in the world.  But then we have the campaign and corporate fraud.  I'll come up with a good analogy as a former bag man myself at some point after sleep tonight.  But lotsa smart lawyers on here can explain it in the interim.  

The very first rule of Trump Limpdick Fight Club is you don't keep financial records of Trump Limpdick Fight Club.  It was his brashness of using his typical LP commercial real estate reporting mechanisms that will fuck him in the end.  If your fixer turns in a reimbursement form, you figure out a way to pay it without cancelled checks, campaign and corporate disclosure forms, and a fucking press conference.  I say this as an amateur fixer. 

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2 hours ago, tbone_ said:


He was a moron for paying them off. No one gave a shit.

Double moron for using campaign funds to do it. But that’s what he does.

So here we are, about to get the clown show of all clown shows.

He didn't mind her saying they fucked.  He didn't want things to get out like the spanking and the mushroom peen.  

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5 hours ago, pyrohornIII said:

He's full on playing the martyr role.  

Yep, he is brilliant at walking the tightrope between "I am all that is man and will not be pushed around.  I will stand up and fight for you because I am a true alpha leader" and then at the same time, "Woe is me, they're being mean to me.  Won't you please take up arms and send money on my behalf.  We too scared, me just a wittle guy."  You gotta respect the player, guy changes his tune and knows his fucking audience like nobody I've ever seen/heard. 

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2 minutes ago, Bookman said:

Happy Arraignment Day! I wonder if H-E-B will run out of popcorn.

Oh, they're not gonna be open today with all the ANTIFA thugs roaming the streets looking to stir shit up.

Speaking of stirring it up.  I had some of the best queso I ever had last night at a business conference of all places.  They smoked the black pepper boursin before stirring it in.  Came out real nice, Clark.  

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7 hours ago, hornmpa96 said:

The accounting wasn’t accurate. If it benefited his campaign, it should be shown on his disclosures as a campaign contribution either from the Trump Org or Michael Cohen.

So Trump thinks because he didn’t use campaign funds to pay off Stormy, it wasn’t campaign finance fraud. 

However, since paying off Stormy by (Trump Org or Cohen), definitely was for the benefit of the Trump campaign, it should have been been reported as an “in-kind” campaign contribution. It wasn’t. In fact, it was reported as a legal expense. That was a lie. Writing that lie on business records is falsifying business records. That is a misdemeanor. Falsifying business records to commit another crime (campaign finance fraud) is a class E felony. Hence the 34 felony counts

Do that sum it up?

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8 hours ago, speed817 said:

Hannity: I know you, you wouldn't have committed these crimes....

Trump: HELL YEA I DID!!!

Setting aside the criminality of it, don't you just get a Gollum vibe about it?  My precioussss.  I feel there's a masturbatory aspect to it, as well.

And all of this stems from him listening to that non-lawyer jackhole from judicial watch that has that case that doesn't mean what they think it means.

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7 hours ago, tbone_ said:

Fair enough.

How will they prove it was to benefit the campaign?

Also, why is it illegal to pay hoes to stfu?

That I suppose is a bit of a rub.  I suppose all they have to prove is that one motivation was to benefit the candidate/campaign.  For the Daniels transaction, all you may have for that is Cohen's word.  Maybe Avenatti's (lol).  But for the McDougal thing, you have Pecker's word for it's purpose communicated to him, hopefully by Trump as well as others.

7 hours ago, DDD Dad said:

It isn’t. It’s illegal not to report it as a campaign contribution. You see if you run for public office you have to disclose when you receive contributions. It’s kind of a big deal. 

And it's not just reporting.  The amounts of the contributions exceeded the limit for a personal contribution (if made by Cohen or Trump) and corporations are still unable to make any contribution to a candidate directly.  And that's an even bigger deal.

But here's the weirdness, they aren't trying to convict him of the campaign finance violation.  They're trying to convict him of falsifying records for the purpose of committing a crime, which was the campaign finance violation.

That's been done several times in NY, but for state campaign finance violations (similar).  So the defendant is convicted of the campaign finance violation AND falsifying records.  I don't know exactly how they go about proving a federal crime that he can't be convicted of in NY court.

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11 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

suppose all they have to prove is that one motivation was to benefit the candidate/campaign.  For the Daniels transaction, all you may have for that is Cohen's word

Are we really back to the defendant has to state “one of my motivations to make this payment was to benefit my campaign” in order to find him guilty?

Anyone with an IQ above that of a turnip can plainly see protecting the campaign was not just a reason but by far the main reason for the payment. Anyone excepting attorneys, apparently 

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So Trump thinks because he didn’t use campaign funds to pay off Stormy, it wasn’t campaign finance fraud. 
However, since paying off Stormy by (Trump Org or Cohen), definitely was for the benefit of the Trump campaign, it should have been been reported as an “in-kind” campaign contribution. It wasn’t. In fact, it was reported as a legal expense. That was a lie. Writing that lie on business records is falsifying business records. That is a misdemeanor. Falsifying business records to commit another crime (campaign finance fraud) is a class E felony. Hence the 34 felony counts
Do that sum it up?

That’s all correct. My question is how “in-kind campaign contribution” is defined under the applicable statute. Is there any language that speaks to “primary purpose”, etc.?
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Are we really back to the defendant has to state “one of my motivations to make this payment was to benefit my campaign” in order to find him guilty?
Anyone with an IQ above that of a turnip can plainly see protecting the campaign was not just a reason but by far the main reason for the payment. Anyone excepting attorneys, apparently 

“Main reason” would be much more difficult to prove, of course. I’m just hanging my hat on this DA having more than just Cohen saying so. I’m really thinking that there may be specific documents specifically laying out that intent in a concrete way.
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“Main reason” would be much more difficult to prove, of course. I’m just hanging my hat on this DA having more than just Cohen saying so. I’m really thinking that there may be specific documents specifically laying out that intent in a concrete way.

Is it too much to hope that Trump was stupid enough to text or email Cohen about this (which would not be protected under a crime/fraud exception to the attorney-client privilege), and that Cohen turned over such communications to the DA?

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“Main reason” would be much more difficult to prove, of course. I’m just hanging my hat on this DA having more than just Cohen saying so. I’m really thinking that there may be specific documents specifically laying out that intent in a concrete way.

I looked at a pharmacy investment about 10 years ago and had a healthcare attorney look at it. It looked really good to me but he drew some buckets on his whiteboard and showed dollar for dollar how distributions matched volume of prescriptions sent by the individual investor. He said prosecutors follow the money and if it matched up you are fucked no matter how you layer it or what you call the different “buckets”

 

also not knowing is not a defense. You have an obligation to know. 
 

Anyone want to remind us what Cohen pleaded guilty to? And trump cut him a check for that exact amount. Has his big dumb sharpie signature on it. 

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I can't believe the wall to wall coverage of Porno Don...

As what you are going to find today is that as fucking stupid and gullible as the majority of Trump supporters are, the are no longer so fucking dumb as to lose their freedom protecting Porno Don.  So the circus is going to be a lot more media created, than from Trump supporters.  Of course MTG will get her face time, as the irony of Porno Don calling his former lover "horse face" comes clearly into focus.

But it would be fun to hear a chant of Porno Don! Porno Don! Porno Don!!!!

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11 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Is it too much to hope that Trump was stupid enough to text or email Cohen about this (which would not be protected under a crime/fraud exception to the attorney-client privilege), and that Cohen turned over such communications to the DA?

Is there any way trump’s lawyers can keep him from testifying?

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