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[Grade of D as in David 13,253]

He would make more money selling guilty shirts, a la Brian Bozworth.

[Slacks 6,855]

2 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

Republicans: The DA is stretching the law to lock up a man they don’t like 

Black Americans:

[Genco 3,041]

46 minutes ago, CTC2 said:

If I had unprotected sex with a porn star there is no doubt in my mind at minimum I would have at minimum gotten a severe case of the crabs. 

I prefer the '80s ladies as well.

[Guest]

15 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

Yes, but is it eligible for a 1500% match?

Swear to god my aunts pushing 80 are involved in his PR, because the font colors and changes and underlines and bolds look like their forwarded emails. 

[tchookem 3,905]

Too early... don't care

[miguelito 11,287]

10 minutes ago, Grade of D as in David said:

He would make more money selling guilty shirts, a la Brian Bozworth.

[dcbc 14,507]

4 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

That seems like the least likely outcome.  

This thing is 11 separate payments, all illegal under the same questionable interpretation.

The verdicts will be all or nothing.

When I said handful, I meant my sized hands.  Not his.

[dcbc 14,507]

4 hours ago, YGIFS said:

I think it's Eric Stoltz from "The Mask" if he didn't die and passed the bar.  

We're assuming Trumps lawyers, at this point, passed a bar exam?  I assumed they were appearing pro hac v.d., or something.

[dcbc 14,507]

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[TwiceHorn 31,528]

6 minutes ago, dcbc said:

To that end, a NY case elaborating on the standards for a change of venue, in the infamous Amadou Diallo cop murder case. https://casetext.com/case/people-v-boss-4

“ A pretrial change of venue for the purpose of protecting the right of a fair trial is an extraordinary remedy reserved for the rarest of cases. The case of the four police officers accused of murdering Amadou Diallo is that rare case” People v. Boss, 261 A.D.2d 1, 2-3 (N.Y. App. Div. 1999)

 

We conclude that this case has been deluged by a tidal wave of prejudicial publicity to such an extent that even an attempt to select an unbiased jury would be fruitless. The prospective jurors of Bronx County, and the rest of New York City, have been subjected to an endless repetition of the notion that the two undisputed facts, namely that 41 shots were fired and that Mr. Diallo was unarmed, conclusively establish defendants' guilt and are dispositive of all possible factual and legal issues. This idea has been repeatedly stated in the form of quotations from prominent persons, or as editorial comment by publications and their columnists. This opinion as to defendants' guilt is routinely accompanied by assertions that defendants were motivated by racial prejudice. The few voices reminding the pool of prospective jurors of the sacrosanct right of an accused to the presumption of innocence have been drowned out by this incessant drumbeat of prejudicial publicity. People v. Boss, 261 A.D.2d 1, 4 (N.Y. App. Div. 1999).

“ We are also convinced that this is the rare case where a motion for a change of venue should be granted prior to trial, rather than deferred pending an attempt to select an impartial jury. In our view such an attempt would be a "futile process"” People v. Boss, 261 A.D.2d 1, 6 (N.Y. App. Div. 1999).

Given that there are just as many talking heads pro-Trump as anti-, including NY Post, I don't think he's going to be able to meet that burden.  One interesting thing is that the motion is made in the court of appeals not the trial court.

[dcbc 14,507]

9 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

To that end, a NY case elaborating on the standards for a change of venue, in the infamous Amadou Diallo cop murder case. https://casetext.com/case/people-v-boss-4

“ A pretrial change of venue for the purpose of protecting the right of a fair trial is an extraordinary remedy reserved for the rarest of cases. The case of the four police officers accused of murdering Amadou Diallo is that rare case” People v. Boss, 261 A.D.2d 1, 2-3 (N.Y. App. Div. 1999)

 

We conclude that this case has been deluged by a tidal wave of prejudicial publicity to such an extent that even an attempt to select an unbiased jury would be fruitless. The prospective jurors of Bronx County, and the rest of New York City, have been subjected to an endless repetition of the notion that the two undisputed facts, namely that 41 shots were fired and that Mr. Diallo was unarmed, conclusively establish defendants' guilt and are dispositive of all possible factual and legal issues. This idea has been repeatedly stated in the form of quotations from prominent persons, or as editorial comment by publications and their columnists. This opinion as to defendants' guilt is routinely accompanied by assertions that defendants were motivated by racial prejudice. The few voices reminding the pool of prospective jurors of the sacrosanct right of an accused to the presumption of innocence have been drowned out by this incessant drumbeat of prejudicial publicity. People v. Boss, 261 A.D.2d 1, 4 (N.Y. App. Div. 1999).

“ We are also convinced that this is the rare case where a motion for a change of venue should be granted prior to trial, rather than deferred pending an attempt to select an impartial jury. In our view such an attempt would be a "futile process"” People v. Boss, 261 A.D.2d 1, 6 (N.Y. App. Div. 1999).

Given that there are just as many talking heads pro-Trump as anti-, including NY Post, I don't think he's going to be able to meet that burden.  One interesting thing is that the motion is made in the court of appeals not the trial court.

 

I'm making assumptions based purely on being in Texas too long.  But pretrial motions in criminal cases don't often amount to much and often don't delay the case for long.  The exception to that rule (in Texas) is a pretrial writ of habeas corpus to challenge the constitutionality of a statute.  And that only serves to delay things due to the fact that they can be appealed pre-trial and are likely to sit around on an appellate court's docket for six to eight months (conservative estimate) before an opinion is issued.  And can be appealed upward from there.  I don't know if NY has a similar mechanism pre-trial. 

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[Jack Straw 2,954]

12 hours ago, Red Five said:

Talking shit repeatedly about the judge's family seems like a pretty bad idea. 

I mean, when’s the next time I’m gonna be in Haiti? 

[Biff Tannen 45,710]

1 hour ago, dcbc said:

The exception to that rule (in Texas) is a pretrial writ of habeas corpus to challenge the constitutionality of a statute.

[TexasEd 8,071]

Ripe for a gif meme

 

 

[Texas Jeff 1,945]

What a circus!

He's OJ now...

[Biff Tannen 45,710]

1 hour ago, TexasEd said:

Ripe for a gif meme

 

 

His hands really are small.  I always thought it was kind of a joke, but nope, they are SMALL.

[ChiTownDoc 21,154]

Chef’s kiss…

 

[TwiceHorn 31,528]

59 minutes ago, dcbc said:

 

I'm making assumptions based purely on being in Texas too long.  But pretrial motions in criminal cases don't often amount to much and often don't delay the case for long.  The exception to that rule (in Texas) is a pretrial writ of habeas corpus to challenge the constitutionality of a statute.  And that only serves to delay things due to the fact that they can be appealed pre-trial and are likely to sit around on an appellate court's docket for six to eight months (conservative estimate) before an opinion is issued.  And can be appealed upward from there.  I don't know if NY has a similar mechanism pre-trial. 

I mean, we're all generalizing based on what we're somewhat familiar with, but I think the general idea is that a criminal case just isn't subject to the interminable delays of a civil case, usually.  Ken Paxton notwithstanding.

There is a provision of NY law specifying what can be appealed permissively and of right, by both the state and the defendant, and the list is short and almost exclusively post-conviction.  One exception is that the state has the right to appeal the dismissal or reduction of charges in an indictment.

The other thing is that because this occurred prior to the election and he's being charged and prosecuted after his term in office, there's almost no opportunity to assert executive privilege or any of the peculiarities of having been POTUS.  Because those things tend to have an immunity from suit as well as a testimonial/evidentiary privilege, they provide for immediate appeal in most cases.

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[TwiceHorn 31,528]

23 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

His hands really are small.  I always thought it was kind of a joke, but nope, they are SMALL.

And he does strange things with them.  That wave is weird.  The thumbs-up is weird.  He's a creepy dude.

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13,587]

They told him they were going to get ice cream.

[tbone_ 14,144]

And he does strange things with them.  That wave is weird.  The thumbs-up is weird.  He's a creepy dude.

The raised fist thing is what I don’t get.

[Mdhorn 5,984]

3 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

Yes, but is it eligible for a 1500% match?

Dotards mission is to collect as much money as he can while fighting to collect more money.  He's a human toll road.    

Edited April 5, 2023 by Mdhorn

[henrygandorf 29,194]

1 hour ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

They told him they were going to get ice cream.

[Mdhorn 5,984]

3 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

lulz

I'm going to look for one at one of the booths at the mall (or anywhere) and make it my mission to red X out the Not on the front and on the back stencil the words Every Accusation is a Confession! 

Edited April 5, 2023 by Mdhorn

[tx 3 putt 77,327]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[956 Worldwide 34,746]

3 hours ago, Porterhouse said:

Swear to god my aunts pushing 80 are involved in his PR, because the font colors and changes and underlines and bolds look like their forwarded emails. 

They have italics, bold, underline, red, and blue all in the same document. 

[956 Worldwide 34,746]

The cringe 

 

[StassneyHorn 6,626]

How do you face 7 years of ignoring people's claims that the guy you worship is a criminal?

Double down of course. We're all MSNBC correspondents. Someone help @Incredulity afford some spaghetti

so he can throw it against the wall later

[TheStoicPaisano 9,923]

Goddamn he doesn’t even have POC fans in knockoff Midjourney?

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19,142]

16 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

The cringe 

 

Only place in NYC that could happen is Staten Island.  Manhattan LOATHES Trump.

[YGIFS 19,452]

Is that a younger, taller Don Rickles over Trump's right shoulder?  

Did nobody stop and look at that mock-up before posting it?  Look at the faces of the people behind him and how creepy they are?  Somebody is fucking with him...they all look like they have bells-palsy.  Never mind that multiple flags on our right/his left are not accurate.  

They keep bragging last night/this morning about how he's raised $7mm+ and counting off this arraignment.  I know that's an impressive number to about 2/3rds of his base.  But to the rest of us, it's just a sad indicator of how fucking stupid our country really is.  Fun fact, he also has the least efficient re-election fundraising game in U.S. history.  Not only are you paying money to a "billionaire" to get him back into office, that he'll only use for personal gain and not what you think he'll use it for.  But he also spends more than anyone else on raising money to raise money.  Their efficiency clip is about 40 cents on the dollar.  Most of which, I'm sure still goes back to him and not his fundraising team.  It's a non-stop cycle of grift and with this many loops, you're too far removed to have any hope of ever seeing the original light.  

I used to feel rage against this stupidity.  Now I just feel sorry for most of these people.  They've long since circled the drain with him.  Now they're on the underside of the disposal, thinking the shit smell is a bouquet of flowers and thanking Christ for the privilege.  I guess we were always gonna end up here, just a question of how.  Happy Easter everybody, .

[WhatTheBuck 28,797]

9 hours ago, TheStoicPaisano said:

 

“Here’s the former President being indicted for stealing all of Whoville’s Christmas presents.”  - Stephen Colbert

[TexLonghorn 5,671]

3 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

The cringe 

I'm sure I just don't know all the ins of "that" crowd, but what's the deal with the flag on the right? 11 stripes on the right edge, I guess 13 stripes on the left edge if you count the 2 distributed incorrectly there, and 36 (30?) stars?  Is that something?  Or the one to the left of that with the jacked up stars again, and a square cutout at the bottom right?  Does it have 15-ish stripes?  Is it supposed to be two flags?  Why wouldn't you just photoshop in actual flags?  It's the American flag, for heaven's sake - how do you mess it up so much??  Unless, of course, you're not American...

[YGIFS 19,452]

And of course Commander Dipshit is flanked by two foreign cars.  

[Homercles 10,206]

1 hour ago, TexLonghorn said:

I'm sure I just don't know all the ins of "that" crowd, but what's the deal with the flag on the right? 11 stripes on the right edge, I guess 13 stripes on the left edge if you count the 2 distributed incorrectly there, and 36 (30?) stars?  Is that something?  Or the one to the left of that with the jacked up stars again, and a square cutout at the bottom right?  Does it have 15-ish stripes?  Is it supposed to be two flags?  Why wouldn't you just photoshop in actual flags?  It's the American flag, for heaven's sake - how do you mess it up so much??  Unless, of course, you're not American...

[Francisco 2.0 32,416]

 

 

 

[TwiceHorn 31,528]

6 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

 

He is, sin dudo, the crimiest president we've ever had and thus deserving of the apparent break from norms this constitutes.

Although I think this case is better than I initially thought it was, and may well result in some felony convictions, I do kind of wish the criminality here was more apparent to the layperson and less susceptible to (mis)interpretation.  All of the other known potential cases, 1/6, Georgia, MAL document obstruction, seem to fit that criteria better than this one.

That said, the single most gratifying thing about this, other than watching Trump have to go through it, is that the nation hasn't burned.  And that consideration would seem to be off the table for authorities considering further charges.

[Horn Dogg 3,939]

6 hours ago, tbone_ said:

The raised fist thing is what I don’t get.

Maybe he’s joined the Black Power movement?

[Lurch 5,931]

I am utterly certain Maddow, Hayes, Reid and O’Donnell post in this forum.
The fart sniffing giggles on the wall to wall MSNBC coverage are the exact tone of the CR.

thanks for watching

[DigglerontheHoof 21,212]

11 hours ago, Incredulity said:

I am utterly certain Maddow, Hayes, Reid and O’Donnell post in this forum.

The fart sniffing giggles on the wall to wall MSNBC coverage are the exact tone of the CR.

You poor little worthless cunt.  Must be tough watching your orange god get buttfucked and humiliated in public.  More to come, princess. 

[WhatTheBuck 28,797]

1 hour ago, TexLonghorn said:

I'm sure I just don't know all the ins of "that" crowd, but what's the deal with the flag on the right? 11 stripes on the right edge, I guess 13 stripes on the left edge if you count the 2 distributed incorrectly there, and 36 (30?) stars?  Is that something?  Or the one to the left of that with the jacked up stars again, and a square cutout at the bottom right?  Does it have 15-ish stripes?  Is it supposed to be two flags?  Why wouldn't you just photoshop in actual flags?  It's the American flag, for heaven's sake - how do you mess it up so much??  Unless, of course, you're not American...

[Captainant 27,726]

51 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

He is, sin dudo, the crimiest president we've ever had and thus deserving of the apparent break from norms this constitutes.

It's wild that we are still honoring and protecting norms with the charlatan who accomplished most of his policy wins through destroying norms. It's the sort of power imbalance that enables authoritarianism. 

55 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Although I think this case is better than I initially thought it was,

56 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

All of the other known potential cases, 1/6, Georgia, MAL document obstruction, seem to fit that criteria better than this one.

And yet, none of the more clearly criminal behaviors have gotten as far as this white collar prosecution. It's almost like we don't really punish fascist criminal acts in any sort of expedient manner, or something. 

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

That said, the single most gratifying thing about this, other than watching Trump have to go through it, is that the nation hasn't burned.  And that consideration would seem to be off the table for authorities considering further charges.

Yeah dude he's only been arraigned. No trial, no hearings, very little to be significantly aggrieved of. Yet. I'd argue the true peril is on the business end of the trial process, because that's when the fucking around ends, and the finding out starts. 

[TexArcher 38,021]

Okay, what I took away from the news last night is that now we wait until December for the next appearance, and if we're lucky, we'll get a trial next spring, but these charges don't have much teeth, unless Dotard says things that violate State of NY laws around interfering with governmental process, which he probably might, or unless one of his followers goes after the judge he named in his statement, which they very well might, and in either of those cases his charges could go up significantly.

Does that about cover it?

[closetohumping 17,456]

*sigh*So this has been floating around the ether.  Smh

 

[Homercles 10,206]

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

Although I think this case is better than I initially thought it was, and may well result in some felony convictions, I do kind of wish the criminality here was more apparent to the layperson and less susceptible to (mis)interpretation.  All of the other known potential cases, 1/6, Georgia, MAL document obstruction, seem to fit that criteria better than this one.

Man, you know I like and appreciate you…your legal opinions are valued, I appreciate your efforts at realistic neutrality and you absolutely helped me at a time when I was really struggling…hell I’ve said I want you with me at parties so I can pull a Billy from Moneyball where I point at you and snap my fingers like he did to Pete so I can get an instant rational take. 
 

However this part here I feel like you’re wasting your brain cells.  There’s 40% of this country that will deny, attack and spew self-righteous outrage at any attempt to portray this ‘man’ as anything but sent from god himself to reign as a holy warrior.  
 

Regardless of priority I feel it’s necessary to prosecute his crimes as the case is ready.  Tiptoeing around for fear of upsetting his base is how we got Jan 6.  Even if both his impeachments were failures, we need them on the historical record.  

[Pancho 44,961]

That photo clearly confirms they put random ass Black people in their group so they don’t come off as racist. Harriet Tubman and Frederick Douglass would NEVER support trump and radical right wing conservatives.

[dcbc 14,507]

8 hours ago, tbone_ said:

The raised fist thing is what I don’t get.

https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbol/aryan-fist

Edited April 5, 2023 by dcbc

[tbone_ 14,144]

If he gets convicted, then re-elected he’ll just pardon himself, correct?

[RomaVicta 29,967]

13 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

The "ride" on this, and the other rides he's about to take, should be glorious in and of themselves.

Catching up on the thread. Great fun. Thanks go to the analysts such as TwiceHorn. I don't get why people sharing a learned opinion attract antagonism. Maybe their right, maybe their not; the opinions never seem personal.

Reading the above and agreeing with it, my mind drifted to aspects outside of the courtroom: his radical followers. 

If indictments pile up, what happens in a world where leading elected GOPs are claiming, in their usual projectionist way, that the ebil Dems are weaponizing the federal government? What happens with the constant braying from Trump himself calling for violence by predicting violence?

Where do the stochastists strike? Whom have they been told is the enemy? The more organized Christian white nationalists will not try another public takeover. 

In a good old banana republic, every revolutionary knows that you takeover the radio stations and kill the prominent opposition leaders. If you lay on two more indictments from federal and state prosecutors, the narrative of weaponized government and dangerous radical socialist Democrats seems to be fulfillment of the Scriptures.

God, country, Donald, the children! need me!

 

[DDD Dad 14,346]

12 hours ago, Incredulity said:

I am utterly certain Maddow, Hayes, Reid and O’Donnell post in this forum.

The fart sniffing giggles on the wall to wall MSNBC coverage are the exact tone of the CR.

OK, Tucker.